PipeChat Digest #4307 - Friday, February 27, 2004
 
organ departments
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
The Learning Company
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
University of North Texas - was North Texas State
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Who Is Stephen Thomas?
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
The Shaker Community
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Berj Zamkochian article in Boston Globe
  by "Charlie Jack" <Charlie@Jack.NET>
Re: Who Is Stephen Thomas?
  by "Angus Sinclair" <angsinc@oxford.net>
North Texas State?
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
RE: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago  Musical Coll
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago  Musical Coll
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: University of North Texas - was North Texas State
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: The Learning Company
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist
  by "BRUCE SHAW" <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: North Texas State?
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
An engineering question (X posted)
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
 

(back) Subject: organ departments From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:18:34 -0800 (PST)   As long as lists are being made of organ departments in Texas, don't = forget Robert Bates at University of Houston. He is an excellent = performer and a very effective teacher. Richard Hazelip    
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:18:52 EST   In a message dated 2/27/2004 12:59:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes:   > That all great tha Gerre is moving to Texast teach at UTA. But since = Susan > Fere was my teacher, and she cares a lot about my future, she feels = Texas, > like Mississippi, may not be ready for me...an African Amercan Female = organist > who gets the job done with a different sprakle. This is what she = says...the > politics, Southern Baptism, and conservative aure are not per me. >   OH my-------then go to Dillard Univesity----2 great teachers there and = being AAF will not be a problem......New Orleans is fun too.   dale in florida    
(back) Subject: The Learning Company From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:24:18 -0500   Dale asked a very valid question:   "I'm wondering if there is a typographical error in Keith's post in the sentence quoted above. The word I'm questioning is "of." If that was a typo and the word is intended to be "off" - the financial implication is = tremendously different."   No, the correct word is "of", not "off". For example, the course "How to Listen to and Understand Great Music" is listed for:   DVD 179.95 (reg. price $699.95) Save $520.   That's why I asked for others' experience. It just seems a little unusual for a product to be sooooooo great and wonderful yet be on sale for 25.7% = of its list price (or 74.3% off).   Thanks, Keith      
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:15:05 -0600   Hello, Desiree: =20 <grins> The abbreviations for the Texas schools=20 will drive you crazy. Gerre is moving to Austin,=20 but not to teach at UTA. <grins> UTA is the=20 abbreviation for the University of Texas at Arlington,=20 which also has a fine music department. =20 =20 The state set up two school systems: =20 1. The University of Texas System=20 =20 2. The Texas A & M System. =20 Most of the state supported schools are participants=20 in one of these two systems. =20 Crazy, ...isn't it. The University of Texas at=20 Austin is simply abbreviated as UT, and we are=20 supposed to know that means the one in Austin. =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..  
(back) Subject: University of North Texas - was North Texas State From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:47:05 -0600   you are dating yourself, Lee - It's UNT, not NTS - name changed, oh, about 10 years or more ago. Also - UNT is the second largest music dept in the nation, running waaaay behind IU Bloomington (like about 1/2 the size) - then others drop even farther off in a hurry. I attended, and would recommend, both or either for an organ degree.   Margo   OMusic@aol.com wrote: > Another suggestion is to come to Texas. There is Baylor in Waco, SMU, > TCU in Dallas, NTS and TWU in Denton. All have organ degrees. NTS has > the largest music department in the nation. Check them out on the web. Lee        
(back) Subject: Who Is Stephen Thomas? From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:09:29 -0500   Dear Lists,   Stephen Thomas is not quite a fictional character, but in the instance of = my recent piece about two concerts by Fred Teardo, my mention of this person was in a sense fictional, a product of my very tired mind at the time I finished that rather long review. I meant, of course, to say Stephen Roberts, my distinguished colleague who did graduate from Yale.   In my past, there was, however, a Stephen Thomas. He was a remarkable, = self taught, Welsh tenor, who sang in my choir in Canada. I have often spoken = of his unique take on ornamentation. To achieve a trill, he would sing the principal note firmly, stick out his right leg a bit, and shake it vigorously. While this system lacked precision and certainly looked funny = on Sunday morning, it was ingenious, learned from others during his early = life in Wales, and we were, fortunately, able to place him at the east end of = the choir stalls, where his foot would be free to move, and where he could not be seen by the congregation. The choir had to be informed that this was a trill day, so they would prepare their techniques of laughter control. One could relax on days of Stanford and Howells, and others less inclined to such ornamentation.   Stephen (Roberts!), I believe, has another addendum to what I wrote in the reviews, so watch for it.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com      
(back) Subject: The Shaker Community From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:40:12 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I have just startled the cat by singing a note standing on one leg, and shaking the other leg vigorously. I am delighted to report that it works.....or doesn't....as the case may be.   It has, however, revolutionised my technique in singing the music of Monterverdi.   It doesn't, sadly, produce a trill at all, but WHAT a tremolo!   I now have plans to install a small schoolboy inside the organ on Sunday, and he will gently massage the Schwimmer during the playing of Bach Chorales in the Lenten period.   I also discovered that the cat, resplendent in its little collar, has a tendency to shake a leg as it leaves the litter tray. This causes the bell on the collar to tinkle attractively. I am therefore hunting for tuned flea-collars, in the hope that I can engage a small scratch-patch of them to simulate a Cymbelstern for Easter. Of course, getting them all to use a litter tray at the exact same moment....but if they don't, I'll find some way of shaking the shhhhhh out of them!   In fact, using the same logical approach, I am also trying to find a nanny goat with shaking leg syndrome, as we also have neither a Vox Humana nor a tremulant.   Now THAT Mr.Wechsler, is ECONOMY organ-building, and at least as effective as those tuned Sleigh Bells Christie came up with.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK               --- Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote:   > > Stephen Thomas is not quite a fictional character, ......... a remarkable, self > taught, Welsh tenor........   > To achieve a > trill, he would sing the > principal note firmly, stick out his right leg a > bit, and shake it > vigorously.   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools  
(back) Subject: Berj Zamkochian article in Boston Globe From: "Charlie Jack" <Charlie@Jack.NET> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:12:58 -0500   The Boston Globe published a fine article on the late Berj Zamkochian. The link to the article is below:   http://www.boston.com:80/news/globe/obituaries/articles/2004/02/25/berj_zam= kochian_74_organist_performed_throughout_world   In my previous posting I indicated that we had set up a web site about Berj. It is still a work in progress but it now has his official obituary as well as his photograph at the console of the Methuen Memorial Music Hall organ where he performed an annual Gomidas Organ Fund concert each year for the last 34 years. It is at this console where he was 'discovered' by Ernest M. Skinner many, many years ago which helped to propel him to his concert organist career.   In my solicitation for your stories, anecdotes and remembences about Berj I didn't realize that our web site's 'guest book' feature was so limited as to how much text it would accept. I still solicit these items and if it's more than a couple of sentences you may e-mail it to the site's e-mail address of GomidasOrgan@Comcast.NET. The web site itself is http://home.comcast.net/~GomidasOrgan   When Berj founded the Gomidas Organ Fund 34 years ago it was the goal to use the fund as a medium to donate organs either directly or indirectly to Armenian causes. The fund has thus far donated 14 instruments to Armenia as well as to Venice, Lebanon, Switzerland and several churches and cathedrals in the US. Although this mission will continue, it is our intent to also use the GOF to produce and make available some of the past recordings made by Berj Zamkochian some of which are most extraordinary and not previously available to the public. Stay tuned to the web site for more details. Again, he web site is:   http://home.comcast.net/~GomidasOrgan   Charlie Jack Charlie@Jack.NET -- Charlie Jack Charlie@Jack.NET  
(back) Subject: Re: Who Is Stephen Thomas? From: "Angus Sinclair" <angsinc@oxford.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:21:13 -0500       ---------- > From: Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> > To: Pipe Chat <pipechat@pipechat.org>; Pipe Organ List <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> > Subject: Who Is Stephen Thomas? > Date: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:09 AM > > Dear Lists, > > Stephen Thomas is not quite a fictional character, but in the instance = of my > recent piece about two concerts by Fred Teardo, my mention of this = person > was in a sense fictional, a product of my very tired mind at the time I > finished that rather long review. I meant, of course, to say Stephen > Roberts, my distinguished colleague who did graduate from Yale. > > In my past, there was, however, a Stephen Thomas. He was a remarkable, self > taught, Welsh tenor, who sang in my choir in Canada. I have often spoken of > his unique take on ornamentation. To achieve a trill, he would sing the > principal note firmly, stick out his right leg a bit, and shake it > vigorously. While this system lacked precision and certainly looked = funny on > Sunday morning, it was ingenious, learned from others during his early life > in Wales, and we were, fortunately, able to place him at the east end of the > choir stalls, where his foot would be free to move, and where he could not > be seen by the congregation. The choir had to be informed that this was = a > trill day, so they would prepare their techniques of laughter control. One > could relax on days of Stanford and Howells, and others less inclined to > such ornamentation. > > Stephen (Roberts!), I believe, has another addendum to what I wrote in the > reviews, so watch for it. > > Cheers, > > Malcolm Wechsler > www.mander-organs.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: North Texas State? From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:12:08 -0600   Isn't it North Texas State that got/is getting the "French" Bedient from St. Marks Episcopal in Grand Rapids, MI? That is one fabulous sounding instrument..........at least it was at St. Marks. I still have the PBS videotape of its planning and construction.   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower        
(back) Subject: RE: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:29:55 -0600   Should be UNT - University of North Texas.   =20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Keys4bach@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:51 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll   =20   In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:29:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, OMusic@aol.com writes:         , SMU, TCU in Dallas, NTS and TWU in Denton. All have organ degrees. NTS has the largest=20       spell out the names-----what is NTS and TWU? methodist i know and TCU because of the bizarre mascot they have for the sports team.   dale in florida      
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:32:07 EST   You are right. It is The University of North Texas. Sorry    
(back) Subject: Re: University of North Texas - was North Texas State From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:37:32 EST   I'm from Oklahoma, what do you expect from an "Okie." When I started to College in Edmond, OK, the school was Central State College. By the time = I was graduated it was Central State University. Now it is The University of = Central Oklahoma. I sure haven't kept up. However, whenever I make a mistake on = this chat there is someone who will "tell it like it is." Sorry for the = mistake. Eyrline    
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:45:27 -0500   Dear Alan et al,   This organ has 117 stops and 36 channels spread across the front of the c= hurch. To see: Goto johannus.com click on Agenda Goto church website Click on New Organ Enjoy the pictures, etc.   Gary     Quoting Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>:   > On 2/26/04 7:54 PM, "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> wrote: >=20 > >> On Sunday 2/22/04 a new Johannus 4m/139 digital ranks was recitaled = at > St. > >> John's Lutheran in Arnold, MO . It is said to be the largest of thi= s make > in > >> MO at this moment. It was installed in a new sanctuary for this chu= rch > and > >> the recitalist was Dr. Zuiderveld of Springfield , IL >=20 > James, I appreciate your comments. >=20 > I don't want to appear too bigoted here, but when an organ has more man= uals > than it has RANKS of actual PIPES--or even PIPES at all! (forget RANKS = of > them!), I wonder whether money has been well spent. I mean, when they= say > "4/139" who BELIEVES it? (That's bigger than the biggest church organ = in > the whole middle of the US of A!--which I think is 126 rks at Fourth Pr= es. > in Chicago.) =20 >=20 > Now that's a very opinionated opinion, and from a person NOT qualified = to > even HAVE an opinion. But that's where it is. But it was only a few l= ines. >=20 > Can you supply URL for the parish? I'm curious to see this wonderful > thing. (What can it LOOK like?) And how it's "billed." >=20 > Alan www.stlukesnyc.org for a small (but real) one =20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20 >=20 >=20        
(back) Subject: Re: The Learning Company From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:05:13 EST   Hello kwzimmerman@alltel.net,     In reference to your comment: DVD 179.95 (reg. price $699.95) Save $520.   That's why I asked for others' experience. It just seems a little unusual for a product to be sooooooo great and wonderful yet be on sale for 25.7% = of its list price (or 74.3% off). That's because is costs approximately $.25 to burn a copy of a DVD. Still =   not a bad markup. <g>   Victoria    
(back) Subject: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist From: "BRUCE SHAW" <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:56:45 -0700   ....and I don't know what to do about it. I'm quietly losing my mind over = this.   I'm hoping those of you with students may have seen something like this = before and have some kind of recommendation.   The problem - wrong notes.   Ignoring wrong notes, here's the kind of material I can play.   Bach: Passacaglia and Fugue C minor, Dorian Vierne: Most of the 24 pieces including #24 (my favourite) Buxtehude: anything Pachelbel: anything   I graduated from the University of Western Ontario Music department with a = B.Mus.A. in music education as an Organ major with passable marks.   What I can't play (perfectly)   -any hymn longer than three verses -the Eight Short   Here's what it's like for me playing a typical hymn eg. Tallis Canon   Run-through - fine 1st verse - muddle the first chord (distracted by herd of elephants = standing up) 2nd verse - fine 3rd verse - miss two chords (forgot what verse we're on) 4th verse - utter mess (missed a piston change, memory blanked on a chord) 5th verse - fine Amen - missed chord (worried about introit)   I don't think I've ever played the Creed once, perfectly. My fingers seem = to get tangled up. I've tried numbering the score, memorizing the score, = singing along, NOT singing along, watching the pedals, NOT watching the = pedals. Practice seems to make it worse, not better. One organ teacher = said my playing was an insult to God.   I think I know what the problem is.   1. Attention Deficit Disorder 2. Sensory Integration Deficit 3. Perfectionism   1. ADD is a problem for me. I take medication for it but it doesn't seem = to help my playing as much as I would like it to. One thing is, it's = variable. Two years ago I was playing the Easter Hymn (after a = four-minute improvised "run up") and one of the servers knocked over the = massive Advent Candle, which fell like an earthquake, shattering, nearly = staring a fire, to the screams of the congregation....and didn't miss a = note. Other times, a server dousing a candle during the postlude will = cause a train wreck.   2. My son was having trouble in school following instructions and was = sent to a audiologist who performed a special test. It turned out that he = had an ear->brain hearing deficit where what was being said by the teacher = would get "scrambled". When the audiologist described the test I was = horrified, because I would surely "flunk" it. If two people are standing = on either side of me talking at the same time, I'm utterly lost - I can't = understand ANYTHING either one of them is saying. I had a job in a = recording studio and started to get complaints like "that doesn't sound = like a choir - that sounds like 78 soloists". Well, that's exactly what I = hear - 78 soloists. I have never understood what people mean by "blend". = I have terrible issues with background noise. If there's a tap or fan = running - I go basically deaf to speech. What I'm wondering is if there's = some sort of issue blocking what I'm hearing to what I'm thinking to what = I'm fingering. Things just seem to free ze up.   3. The congregation doesn't care. They're perfectly happy. I'm the only = one complaining. Problem is, one note off sets me off and then I'm in = misery for the rest of the piece and disillusioned about my success on the = next one.   I'd love to do a recital sometime and I've even got the material picked = out and practiced up. Problem is, I can't get through one piece = perfectly. I'll get laughed off the stage. If I can't even get through = the eight short in one piece why bother?   Anybody seen this before? Is it time to hang up my shoes?      
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:02:20 -0600   Why not just post the direct URL instead of sending us on a stroll through the Johannus website. I don't really care what Johannus is or isn't doing (non-compliance with US FCC Regs ring a bell?). Never mind... the URL is: http://www.sjlcarnold.org for those that would rather click thru.   Have a great day,   Tim             --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:18:23 -0600   Hello, Tim: > I don't really care what Johannus is or isn't doing > (non-compliance with US FCC Regs ring a bell?). Bell Ring. <dong> Problem's fixed. FCC approved. The corrective action was on display at the National Association of Music Merchants convention in Anaheim. Production and importation continues as normal. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:32:30 EST   Bruce, You're NERVOUS. I've screwed up a thing or two for that reason as well.   I have had some success with "giving it up to God" (or, as a collegue of = mine says, "just shut up and play the MUSIC"). My service playing is WAY = accurate because I apply this concept--though there are still times when my hands tremble during Mass.   Here's a hint: when the Altar Guild (or Sacristan, or whomever else) comes = in on Sunday Morning, imagine them as your "boss" or "congregation". Let yourself get nervous and play anyway while they're "listening". Pretend = they're listening--critically. That's what helped me several years ago, and I = still use them as "decompression". I still suffer from "stage fright" just before = the opening hymn (which I almost always play well) but that "fright" = dissapates as the Mass continues.   Another hint: sing along in your head with the choir and congregation on = the hymns and service music. Breathe with them, too. I find it calming.   Just some thoughts, BH SJE, Boston.    
(back) Subject: Re: North Texas State? From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:34:10 -0600   According to the Bedient website the organ is already in. Hopefully in = better acoustic. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: North Texas State?     Isn't it North Texas State that got/is getting the "French" Bedient = from St. Marks Episcopal in Grand Rapids, MI? That is one fabulous = sounding instrument..........at least it was at St. Marks. I still have the PBS videotape of its planning and construction.   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies = in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those = who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:41:27 EST   In a message dated 2/27/2004 2:05:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, octaaf@charter.net writes:   > non-compliance with US FCC Regs ring a bell?).   now now let us play nice------   dale in florida    
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:42:12 EST   In a message dated 2/27/2004 2:18:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, effarbee@verizon.net writes:   > was on display at the National Association of Music Merchants > convention in Anaheim. > > Production and importation continues as normal. > >   i was told no shipments until MARCH------by dealers dale in florida    
(back) Subject: An engineering question (X posted) From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:45:03 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Dear friends, Does somebody know if values and formulae for *wood* (joists, beams, studs, structures) strength calculations are available ON LINE? Private reply with URL please. Many thanks in advance!   Yours Andres