PipeChat Digest #4309 - Friday, February 27, 2004
 
Re: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Re: new Johannus organ
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Re: new Johannus organ
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist
  by "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com>
Who is Stephen Thomas?/The Shaker Community
  by "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com>
Re: Teardo Times Two - 1 Old, 1 New
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Vicscount EXL-200 problem
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
singing the Amen
  by "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net>
Re: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
RE: singing the Amen
  by "Shaun Brown" <S.D.Brown@exeter.ac.uk>
New chair of organ dept at Juilliard announced
  by "Mark Quarmby" <mark_quarmby@yahoo.com>
Re: singing the Amen
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: singing the Amen
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: singing the Amen
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist
  by "black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:45:06 EST   In a message dated 2/27/2004 5:13:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:   > Are they still singing Amens at the end of hymns in your church? I = haven't > seen a church do that in years (thank God). ; - ) >   A lot still do....   Kinda miss it. Know it is redundant.........but added a nice formalized feeling and ending to the hymn.   a Presby by destiny playing in an ELCA   dale in Florida      
(back) Subject: Re: Re: new Johannus organ From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:45:33 +0000   Alan, I agree with you on this one, which is unusual because I rarely = speak out against an electronic instrument. St. John's is over 150 years = old, and is growing in leaps and bounds, and even though they built a new = sanctuary, I think they could have invested some funds into a decent-sized = pipe organ. Of course, I don't know their financials. I do know that = they're mixed on traditional/contemporary, and I also know they've NEVER = had a pipe organ that I can tell. The old sanctuary was QUITE small. = Curious that they'd prefer to get a huge electronic as opposed to a good = pipe organ. But, they made the choice and at least for now that's the = plan. Perhaps they're thinking of putting in a pipe instrument in the = future, but I doubt it given the size of the instrument the DID put in.   To each his own! :)   Jeff      
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:46:45 EST   In a message dated 2/27/2004 4:43:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, effarbee@verizon.net writes:   > That's normal for the new production > in 2004. >   Was told it was due to lawsuit and not normal...........unless forevermore =   everything is "custom" like A and R....meaning they done build without the =   money.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Re: new Johannus organ From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:46:57 +0000   No altar?! And this is a MO Synod congregation!! Jeff   No altar? I thought this was a > Lutheran Church, and I'm getting suspicious. For contrast, see LOTS of > organ photos, but altar CENTRAL at www.stlukesnyc.org which is where = I > hang out. Maybe it's a big (or not big?) difference in emphasis.      
(back) Subject: RE: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist From: "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:02:34 -0700   Hi,   I have a completely new thought as something similar happened to me years ago. I got some interesting insight from reading a book by Jack Dreyfus, = A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked. It is about Dilantin (no = laughing no flaming) To make a long story short I asked my MD about it, he = prescribed it and, what can I say, it worked for me. I still take it a few times a year when I start having "missing" or "wandering" thoughts.   www.abebooks.com has copies listed for sale       Good luck,   Ray    
(back) Subject: Who is Stephen Thomas?/The Shaker Community From: "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:06:37 -0500   Dear Malcolm and Colin,   I must say those were most funny posts! I laughed so very much and I = must say that now, I too, can sing Monterverdi! <g> Nevertheless, = Stephen Roberts' full name is Stephen Thomas Roberts, perhaps that's how = things got mixed up after writing that long review.   Cheers, Chris Original Message   Subject: Who Is Stephen Thomas? From: "Malcolm Wechsler" = <manderusa@earthlink.net<mailto:manderusa@earthlink.net>> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:09:29 -0500   Dear Lists,   Stephen Thomas is not quite a fictional character, but in the instance = of my recent piece about two concerts by Fred Teardo, my mention of this = person was in a sense fictional, a product of my very tired mind at the time = I finished that rather long review. I meant, of course, to say Stephen Roberts, my distinguished colleague who did graduate from Yale.   In my past, there was, however, a Stephen Thomas. He was a remarkable, = self taught, Welsh tenor, who sang in my choir in Canada. I have often = spoken of his unique take on ornamentation. To achieve a trill, he would sing = the principal note firmly, stick out his right leg a bit, and shake it vigorously. While this system lacked precision and certainly looked = funny on Sunday morning, it was ingenious, learned from others during his early = life in Wales, and we were, fortunately, able to place him at the east end = of the choir stalls, where his foot would be free to move, and where he could = not be seen by the congregation. The choir had to be informed that this = was a trill day, so they would prepare their techniques of laughter control. = One could relax on days of Stanford and Howells, and others less inclined = to such ornamentation.   Stephen (Roberts!), I believe, has another addendum to what I wrote in = the reviews, so watch for it.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com<http://www.mander-organs.com/>       ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Subject: The Shaker Community From: "Colin Mitchell" = <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:40:12 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I have just startled the cat by singing a note standing on one leg, and shaking the other leg vigorously. I am delighted to report that it works.....or doesn't....as the case may be.   It has, however, revolutionised my technique in singing the music of Monterverdi.   It doesn't, sadly, produce a trill at all, but WHAT a tremolo!   I now have plans to install a small schoolboy inside the organ on Sunday, and he will gently massage the Schwimmer during the playing of Bach Chorales in the Lenten period.   I also discovered that the cat, resplendent in its little collar, has a tendency to shake a leg as it leaves the litter tray. This causes the bell on the collar to tinkle attractively. I am therefore hunting for tuned flea-collars, in the hope that I can engage a small scratch-patch of them to simulate a Cymbelstern for Easter. Of course, getting them all to use a litter tray at the exact same moment....but if they don't, I'll find some way of shaking the shhhhhh out of them!   In fact, using the same logical approach, I am also trying to find a nanny goat with shaking leg syndrome, as we also have neither a Vox Humana nor a tremulant.   Now THAT Mr.Wechsler, is ECONOMY organ-building, and at least as effective as those tuned Sleigh Bells Christie came up with.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK               --- Malcolm Wechsler = <manderusa@earthlink.net<mailto:manderusa@earthlink.net>> wrote:   >=20 > Stephen Thomas is not quite a fictional character, ........ a remarkable, self > taught, Welsh tenor........=20   > To achieve a > trill, he would sing the > principal note firmly, stick out his right leg a > bit, and shake it > vigorously.=20   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools<http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools>      
(back) Subject: Re: Teardo Times Two - 1 Old, 1 New From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:30:10 -0600   This morning Malcolm finished his post Titled "Who Is Stephen Thomas?" = with "Stephen (Roberts!), I believe, has another addendum to what I wrote in the reviews, so watch for it."   Since Stephen Roberts isn't a member of this list his posting only went to the PIPORG-l list. i wrote Stephen and got his permission to forward it here also since some of you might be expecting it.   BTW, Stephen is a wonderful organist along with being a fine teacher and he will be playing one of the recitals at the OHS Convention this summer in Buffalo. You should make it a point to be there to hear him along with all the rest of the wonderful organists on the schedule.   Anyway, here is Stephen's posting below.   David *************************************************************** Dear List,   Thanks to my good friend, Malcolm Wechsler, for his very complimentary review of two recitals by my former pupil, Fred Teardo. I know that Fred will be honored to have had such fine things said about his playing. Fred works very hard, and he's a fine young man in every way. I do believe that any account of Fred's playing should also include mention of David Higgs, who was Fred's teacher at Eastman. I sent Fred to Eastman and to David, and he got excellent training and a first rate undergraduate education there. Fred won some of the competitions that Malcolm mentioned, including the AGO RCYO, as my high school student, but Fred was a student of David Higgs when he won several others, and reached the semi-finals in St. Alban's. I know that Fred will continue that tradition while he's at Yale.   Malcolm's posting also contained one other omission: while Fred did study with Haskell Thomson for his first semester at Yale, Fred is now a student of Thomas Murray, and is loving every minute of it. Haskell Thomson taught at Yale last semester while Tom Murray was on sabbatical. This semester Tom is back, and Fred is studying with him. Fred has told me what a wonderful teacher Tom Murray is for him. I don't know of anyone who is more skilled in the art of registration than Tom, and Fred says that he has already learned a tremendous amount in a scant couple of months. I can hear changes in what Fred is doing already, especially in his instinctive understanding of color and his imaginative use of the resources of whatever instrument he's playing. That obviously comes in large measure from Tom, because he's the master at that kind of thing. I can also hear Tom's influence in Fred's general musical approach.   Yale has become the number one choice for a Master's in organ. Both Tom Murray and Martin Jean have produced one fine student after another the last few years, and the unparalleled financial resources of the Yale Institute of Sacred Music make it possible for them to offer full tuition scholarships to all students. I understand that auditions for next year's Yale organ class are going on right now. I have heard that there are something like 35 students auditioning for seven openings. That may not be the exact figure, but it's not far off the mark. It's not surprising that Yale has so many applicants: it's a great university, and with two world class teachers like Thomas Murray and Martin Jean there, the education that organ students get is second to none. Yale's recent record of producing students like Ken Cowan, Paul Jacobs, Bradley Welch, and Kola Olowabi is nothing short of astounding, and with students like Fred in the program, that record is likely to continue.   Stephen Roberts Western CT State University, Danbury, CT   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Vicscount EXL-200 problem From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:52:09 -0500   Hi Piotr,   I don't have a schematic, but I found a problem with the Viscount modules is sometimes that the computer cables inside come loose from their = contacts.   Viscount did not put retainers on top of the cables, so they are just "sitting" in the contacts.   Look closely at the cables connecting the various boards in the module, = and press down on the cables to make sure they are making good contact.   Paul R. Swank Baltimore, MD.   At 06:31 PM 2/27/04, you wrote: >Hello ! > >My Viscount EXL-200 pipe organ module is in trounle. I am looking for a >schematic diagram of it. If you have one I will be very happy to receive = it. >Thanks >Piotr >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: singing the Amen From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:58:43 -0600   Randy Runyon writes "Are they still singing Amens at the end of hymns in your church? I haven't seen a church do that in years (thank God). ; - )   At our church we sing the Amen if it is written as a prayer to God, or if the hymn is trinitarian. Some in our congregation stand for the last = verse if it is a trinitarian verse. Do you not approve? But then again we went back to TLH after several years of LW and now use both. Amy Fleming    
(back) Subject: Re: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:05:30 EST   Bruce, I also was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 11 in Junior High. = Though that has never directly affected my performance on the piano, I think it = has, in a way affected my organ performance. Mainly because are a lot more = things to do, and keep up with on the organ. When I got my job at First United Methodist Church in Graham Texas, I =   was a nervous wreck. Usually it would not so much affect my playing, as = it would my health! I had it in my head that at FUMC Graham, there were no = mistakes. I would just get so anxious before a service, that sometimes when I got = to church I would just be sick. Sometimes to the point of throwing up. = Finally, I heard there was someone in the church that was a counselor, and I went = and visited with her one day, and she prescribed Paxil, a medication to = prevent Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Well, I took Paxil for a while, till I got = tired of the side effects (hehe). When I stopped taking it, just realizing that = my counselor was there has helped tremendously. However, when I realize she = isn't there, even after being there two years I get nervous again. She has told = me over and over again that no one is always perfect, and not one soul in the =   congregation would ever realize if I made a mistake. Well, aside from all that, I am playing a concert at my church = Sunday, May the second, at 2:30. I think that playing a concert, and finally = getting that out of the way, will cure my nervousness once and for all! I will be =   posting the program soon, Dr. Hough and I do not have the music finalized. = Hopefully this will end my anxiety about playing in church- I am thinking = of making this an annual thing! Josh    
(back) Subject: RE: singing the Amen From: "Shaun Brown" <S.D.Brown@exeter.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:15:40 -0000   The 'Amen' should only ever be sung at the end of a hymn if the final verse is a doxology, Ie,   Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, And to the Holy Ghost....   Even then, it should be regarded as optional, as it alienates many people.   Most English Cathedrals rarely sing Amen at the end of a hymn.   Regards,   Shaun D Brown    
(back) Subject: New chair of organ dept at Juilliard announced From: "Mark Quarmby" <mark_quarmby@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:12:26 +1100   I am surprised that nothing has appeared on these lists (unless I missed seeing it) about the announcement of the new Chair of the Organ Dept at = the Juilliard School and that on the other side of the globe and "downunder", = I seem to be ahead of the news where it is happening!   Here is a portion of an email I received from a reliable source last night (Friday night):   > Paul Jacobs has been named Chair of the Organ Department at The = Juilliard School beginning in September, 2004. > On Saturday, April 24th, Paul will perform another 9-Hour Marathon of = the complete works of Olivier Messiaen from 1:30 pm to 10:30 pm at The Church = of Saint Mary the Virgin, 145 West 46th St.   Cheers,   Mark   Sydney, Australia    
(back) Subject: Re: singing the Amen From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:30:57 -0800   ALIENATES? Come ON! Where'd THAT come from?   "Amen" is to be sung at the end of ALL Office Hymns that conclude with any one of a NUMBER of Trinitarian doxologies, the most common being:   O Father, this we ask be done Through Jesus Christ, thine only Son; Who with the Holy Ghost and thee Doth live and reign eternally. Amen.   and at the end of any hymn which is a prayer, or concludes with a prayer, such as the refrain of "Now the Labourer's Toils Are O'er"   Lord all-pitying, Jesu blest; Grant them everlasting rest. Amen.   though not after EVERY verse, of course (grin).   The Episcopal Hymnal 1940 TRIED to make the distinction, but about half the time the congregation, the choir, and/or I (or any combination thereof) FORGOT and sang it ANYWAY (chuckle).   I don't think it's worth fighting about one way or the other.   Bud           Shaun Brown wrote:   > The 'Amen' should only ever be sung at the end of a hymn if the final > verse is a doxology, Ie, > > Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, And to the Holy Ghost.... > > Even then, it should be regarded as optional, as it alienates many > people. > > Most English Cathedrals rarely sing Amen at the end of a hymn. > > Regards, > > Shaun D Brown > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:29:48 -0500   Altar is normally central, but was moved for this concert temporarily.   Gary     Quoting Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>:   > On 2/27/04 12:45 PM, "gdeboer@bluemarble.net" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> > wrote: >=20 > > This organ has 117 stops and 36 channels spread across the front of t= he > > church. > > To see: > > Goto johannus.com > > click on Agenda > > Goto church website > > Click on New Organ > > Enjoy the pictures, etc. >=20 > Well, I did that. I'm visually handicapped, so it was slow. Temporari= ly, I > hope. New specs coming in two weeks. >=20 > And the console, and its "details," are awesome. I'm tempted to say "t= oo > much"! I've never seen so many pistons in an aircraft carrier engine = room > (which is really six or eight gigantic chambers)! >=20 > I didn't have much sense of "reality." The big chancel photo: an orga= n > console and a grand piano! Wonderful! No altar? I thought this was a > Lutheran Church, and I'm getting suspicious. For contrast, see LOTS of > organ photos, but altar CENTRAL at www.stlukesnyc.org which is where= I > hang out. Maybe it's a big (or not big?) difference in emphasis. >=20 > I don't know; it just seems foreign to me. >=20 > Alan >=20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20 >=20 >=20        
(back) Subject: Re: singing the Amen From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:33:37 -0500   On 2/27/04 7:58 PM, "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> wrote:   > Randy Runyon writes "Are they still singing Amens at the end of hymns in > your church? I haven't seen a church do that in years (thank God). ; - ) >=20 > At our church we sing the Amen if it is written as a prayer to God, or if > the hymn is trinitarian. Some in our congregation stand for the last ver= se > if it is a trinitarian verse. Do you not approve? But then again we went > back to TLH after several years of LW and now use both. > Amy Fleming >=20 Of course, all stand for the trinitarian-doxologial final stanza of any (usually office) hymn. And bow during the first two or three lines of the stanza. In catholic/Lutheran worship, almost ALL hymns are sung standing (exception: a communion hymn). As for the =B3Amen,=B2 surely one sings it (standing) at the end of any office hymn, and on such hymns as =B3Built on th= e Rock,=B2 where the Amen is part of the meter of the final stanza. (You couldn=B9t omit it it there.) There are other examples; maybe I=B9ll make a list. =20   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: singing the Amen From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:42:39 -0500   On 2/27/04 8:15 PM, "Shaun Brown" <S.D.Brown@exeter.ac.uk> wrote:   > it should be regarded as optional, as it alienates many people.   Shaun, you're driving me nutz. What is it that "alienates people"? The "Amen" or the use of the doxological stanza. (I'm don't care which; I'm just curious as heck!)   Well, OK: And WHY? for Pete's sake? I don't MIND if they're offended; = I'm just wondering WHY? What's the offense? (Now, reviewing what you wrote, = I conclude that it's the "Amen" that "alienates many people." I cannot = figure out HOW or WHY.   Clue?   Alan (who still agrees with you that the Amen is VERY optional, generally) =    
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:54:09 -0500   On 2/27/04 8:29 PM, "gdeboer@bluemarble.net" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> = wrote:   > Altar is normally central, but was moved for this concert temporarily. > OK. We do that too. We're in the Theatre District of Manhattan, and have = a LOT of "performances" in our chancel. Our altar is on (gasp!) wheels. We're not thrilled to do that, but we do DO it, when necessary.   Best I can say in our defense is that we'd never let anybody take a PHOTOGRAPH of the chancel in that condition. We're kind of ashamed of it. Would rather that people not KNOW that of us.   But--and I mean it--best to you!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist From: "black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:06:11 -0600   HI list, My attitude on playing for church is simple. Someone a few years ago (20) said to me after church that I played a wrong note on whatever = hymn I was playing. My response to her was- "if you can do a better job, you = get up here and see what you can do to make it better!" That shut her up and took care of the situation. If they don't like what is going on in the chancel, then they can get up and get on the bench and try it. Life is = too short to be bothered but insipid, vapid people who have no clue. Have a great weekend. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Pologaptommy@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: I have a confession to make - I'm a terrible organist     Bruce, I also was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 11 in Junior High. = Though that has never directly affected my performance on the piano, I think it has, in a way affected my organ performance. Mainly because are a lot = more things to do, and keep up with on the organ. When I got my job at First United Methodist Church in Graham Texas, I was a nervous wreck. Usually it would not so much affect my playing, as = it would my health! I had it in my head that at FUMC Graham, there were no mistakes. I would just get so anxious before a service, that sometimes = when I got to church I would just be sick. Sometimes to the point of throwing up. Finally, I heard there was someone in the church that was a = counselor, and I went and visited with her one day, and she prescribed Paxil, a medication to prevent Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Well, I took Paxil = for a while, till I got tired of the side effects (hehe). When I stopped = taking it, just realizing that my counselor was there has helped tremendously. However, when I realize she isn't there, even after being there two years = I get nervous again. She has told me over and over again that no one is always perfect, and not one soul in the congregation would ever realize if = I made a mistake. Well, aside from all that, I am playing a concert at my church = Sunday, May the second, at 2:30. I think that playing a concert, and finally getting that out of the way, will cure my nervousness once and for all! I will be posting the program soon, Dr. Hough and I do not have the music finalized. Hopefully this will end my anxiety about playing in church- I = am thinking of making this an annual thing! Josh      
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:19:21 -0500   In this particular case the organ is on a movable platform and can litera= lly=20 be placed anywhere in the sanctuary, due to only a single wire (midi) hoo= k up. In other words, the organ's electronics are remote from the console, that= is,=20 located in another room within the building with that single wire connect= ing=20 the two separates.   Gary     Quoting Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>:   > On 2/27/04 8:29 PM, "gdeboer@bluemarble.net" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> w= rote: >=20 > > Altar is normally central, but was moved for this concert temporarily= .. > >=20 > OK. We do that too. We're in the Theatre District of Manhattan, and h= ave a > LOT of "performances" in our chancel. Our altar is on (gasp!) wheels. > We're not thrilled to do that, but we do DO it, when necessary. >=20 > Best I can say in our defense is that we'd never let anybody take a > PHOTOGRAPH of the chancel in that condition. We're kind of ashamed of = it. > Would rather that people not KNOW that of us. >=20 > But--and I mean it--best to you! >=20 > Alan >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20 >=20 >=20