PipeChat Digest #4312 - Sunday, February 29, 2004
 
Re: new Johannus organ
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
My House Organ Plays Again!
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Bedient in Texas
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Amen and on to hymn playing
  by "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net>
Re: Convergent worship
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Amen and on to hymn playing
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Amen and on to hymn playing
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Amen and on to hymn playing
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: singing the Amen
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: Amen and on to hymn playing
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Moller artiste
  by "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:00:46 -0600   That's it. I am a poor speller James Grebe Piano-Forte Tuning & Repair Artisan of Wood WWW.JamesGrebe.com 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010 pianoman@accessus.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Praestant@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: Re: new Johannus organ       In a message dated 28.2.04 9.46.32 AM, pianoman@accessus.net writes:       There is no alter perse.       What is an alter perse? Is it another handbag? or did you mean "altar, = per se"?  
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:05:34 -0500   On 2/28/04 6:33 PM, "Praestant@aol.com" <Praestant@aol.com> wrote:   > In a message dated 28.2.04 9.46.32 AM, pianoman@accessus.net writes: >=20 > There is no alter perse. >=20 > What is an alter perse? Is it another handbag? or did you mean "altar, pe= r > se"?=20   Thank you. I wanted to ask something very similar, but was chicken. (It I= S a funny picture, isn=B9t it?) Thanks again.   Alan (who makes much worse mistakes himself, so enjoys those of other folks)      
(back) Subject: My House Organ Plays Again! From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:47:52 EST   Hi all,   We finally got almost all the pipes playing. All is left is the Vox = Humana (on 2 inches of wind) and the Artisan Glockenspiel.   We downsized in house size, hoping to build a music room, but that's on = hold until our son completes college next year. This time, we cut a hole in a bedroom wall, opening into the living room. It sounds as good as it did = in the previous house free standing in a room with a 22 foot ceiling!     The Hollingsworth Home Organ   This organ began in the early 1970 as a three Rank Wicks practice organ, purchased from Wheaton College for $350. The three ranks were = 4'Salicional, 16' Gedackt, and 4' Dulciana. Shortly after that I added an 8' Principal by Shantz, the bottom 2 octaves from the Swell organ of a fairly new = instrument in a Church in Ohio, and the 2' from a practice organ at Northwestern = University.   Learning about a new and larger console being available, I purchased it = from the Wicks factory. It had a remote mechanical combination action. Soon after, the Sesquialtera came from the Opera House in Chicago, and the = Diapason and Metal Flute came from the defunct Saville Organ Company's pipe laboratory. = The Vox Humana was acquired from the Wicks local installer, when it was incorrectly ordered for an organ. It is voiced on 2" of wind pressure. = The rest of the organ is about 3 inches of wind pressure. The last acquisition was the =   Harmonia Aetheria 5 rank mixture, a gift from a friend.   I sold the pipe organ console (which later caught fire and burned up in = the balcony of a church) and purchased the Allen Digital Custom 2-manual and = pedal organ, intending to connect the pipes also. About 6 years later that happened, and Allen provided the relay connection for the pipes also.   The DeKalb installation is the fifth installation for the pipes, making = this a well-traveled organ! Dr. William Harrison Barnes always told me that = the fourth move was as good as a fire.   Pipe Analysis 16' Bourdon 96 Pipes Wicks 8' Principal 84 Pipes Schantz 8' Diapason (Bottom 12 Wood) 72 Pipes Stinkens 8' Metal Flute 72 Pipes Stinkens 4' Salicional 72 Pipes Casavant 4' Salicional Celeste 72 Pipes Wicks Sesquialtera II 98 Pipes Kimball Harmonic Mixture 305 Pipes Aeolian Vox Humana 61 Pipes Wicks   Pipe Section   Pedal 16' Bourdon 8' Principal 8' Bourdon 8' Metal Flute 4' Principal 4' Metal Flute Gadget I   Swell 16' Bourdon 8' Bourdon 8' Salicional 8' Salicional Celeste 4' Principal 4' Bourdon 4' Metal Flute 4' Salicional 4' Salicional Celeste 2' Bourdon Gadget II   Great 8' Principal 8' Diapason 8' Metal Flute 8' Salicional 4' Principal 4' Diapason 4' Bourdon 4' Metal Flute 2' Principal Sesquialtera II Harmonic Mixture V   Digital Section   Pedal 8' Swell to Pedal 8' Great to Pedal 16' Gedackt 16' Lieblich Gedackt 8' Octave 8' Flute 4' Choral Bass 8' Trompete   Swell 8' Gedackt 8' Salicional 8' Voix Celeste 4' Koppelflote 2' Klein Principal Scharf II 8' Krummhorn   Great 8' Swell to Great 8' Principal 8' Rohrflote 4' Octave 4' Koppelflote 2' Flachflote Mixture IV Gr-Ped Unenclosed Reverberation   Midi to Swell Midi to Great Midi to Pedal Antiphonal Speakers Global Tuning   One of the "Gadget" stops will play the Glockenspiel, the other will key Lionel train gadgets when a pedal note is depressed. Hey, it's my home = toy, guys! It's how I keep my sanity, if there is any left.   Devon Hollingsworth, in DeKalb, Illinois Organist, Christ Church of Oak Brook, Illinois  
(back) Subject: Bedient in Texas From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:55:39 -0600 (CST)   If people were leaving a concert because of the tuning, then the performer may have used the wrong music for the organ.   Does the Bedient website say anything about the tuning? When I had a chance to play that instrument in Grand Rapids, there was no problem with the tuning system.    
(back) Subject: Amen and on to hymn playing From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:03:39 -0600   Thanks for all the interesting replies on the "Amen" post. We sit for the sermon hymn and the communion hymns. Maybe that is why they are sung more softly. :)   >I simply tied over the soprano note That is what Cheryl's teacher has taught her to do.   >Pickles and ice cream don't mix, Amen, and thank you Bud. One of them will suffer.   >My opinion is that churches are trying any or all things to attract >members. Yes, at what cost? Actually many people find they will like a traditional service if they are taught WHY certain things are being said and done.   New question: I have heard some organists (rarely) play 2 chords or notes separating verses. Is that just a style of playing that allows people to breathe or what? Actually I think it sounds kind of neat. Thanks, Amy    
(back) Subject: Re: Convergent worship From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:07:45 -0500   On 2/28/04 8:59 PM, "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> wrote:   > My wife and I go to 2 churches.   You mean, like, "together" or "separately"? Must be, like, a full Sunday morning!   > I am MO. Synod Lutheran and our minister is very liberal and ours is a = close > to downtown. He keeps everyone happy by 4 services. Saturday at 5PM = more or > less liturgical.   That sounds pretty normal. Almost ALL services (regardless of = denomination) are "more or less liturgical"). Do you have a sense of where HIS "head" really "is"? Is he faithful to that, or is he just "selling product"? (Which may be OK too; I'm just wondering.)   > 8:45 AM on Sunday with a Chicago style service. Never figured out what = that > means.,   I'm chuckling WITH you, I think. I've never heard of that one either. = (But it's ages since I've been in Chicago. If you find out, I'd be very = curious to know what it IS!)   > 10:15 regular liturgical service and once a month service in German for = the > real old liners.   That's decent. Where IS this church? (I mean, "what city?")   > The Methodist service   "Methodist service"? In an LCMS church? (Not unheard of, perhaps, but a wee bit unusual.)   > are much more free style and in the summer will have another service at = a > school close by with a contemporary (band and all) for the really = unchurched.   Boy, THAT must be a tough pull! I will most definitely wish them the = best! A "band and all" for the really unchurched. I don't even know where to start. Why? I guess. Really unchurched folks like "band" music? (I = didn't know!)   > The Methodist church has a video screen now intact. My opinion is that > churches are trying any or all things to attract members.   Well, I can't blame them for THAT. In fact, I should PRAISE them for = that. A video screen now intact! Everything's up to date in Kansas City! Seriously, I'm in a mid-Manhattan parish with a bunch of young members = from middle USA who came to NYC to "break into theatre" (with varying success), and who HATED their Midwestern church homes for "pandering" to them with electronics, "P&W," etc., while what they really wanted was the OLD stuff that their hippy parents were rejecting. We are super-traditional (see www.stlukesnyc.org for the evidence) and the young crowd LOVES IT!   Nevertheless, and without knowing how the Methodists got it there, and not knowing who goes to the Methodist church, I wish you the BEST!   Alan (for whom it IS a bit confusing)      
(back) Subject: Re: Amen and on to hymn playing From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:34:40 -0500   On 2/28/04 10:03 PM, "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> wrote:   > I have heard some organists (rarely) play 2 chords or notes separating = verses. > Is that just a style of playing that allows people to breathe or what? > Actually I think it sounds kind of neat.   Never heard of that one. A real "interude," yes. But "2 chords or = notes"? New one to me. I look forward to further illumination on that! In the = mean time, can you describe it a bit more fully? Like, what chords? Or what notes?   And, as long as we're talking about "verses," let me quote an old Church Music instructor from 50+ years ago: "Bibles have verses. Hymns have stanzas." (Now, really, I've kept my mouth shut about this for several years, but it really continues to bug me!) And the BEST writers say "verses" when they should say "stanzas." Come on, gang! (Or tell me = I'm wrong.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Amen and on to hymn playing From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:51:46 -0800   Um, Anglican organists of Dr. Willan's generation played ONE "gathering-note" at the BEGINNING of each stanza ... it was sorta like catching the trolley in San Francisco ... he held it until enough people jumped on, then he took off (grin). The general effect was that of opening the swell and crescendo shoes simultaneously (chuckle) ... a rather unpleasant "ooze" of sound.   The Lutheran tradition of interludes after each LINE of a chorale persisted until Dr. Schweitzer's time ... when he substituted for Herr Somebody-or-Other in Berlin as a young man, he was instructed that he was to on NO account omit the interludes at the ends of the lines.   Bach's few written out examples of that are somewhere in the misc. chorale preludes.   But I've never heard of TWO chords only.   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > On 2/28/04 10:03 PM, "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> wrote: > > >>I have heard some organists (rarely) play 2 chords or notes separating = verses. >>Is that just a style of playing that allows people to breathe or what? >>Actually I think it sounds kind of neat. > > > Never heard of that one. A real "interude," yes. But "2 chords or = notes"? > New one to me. I look forward to further illumination on that! In the = mean > time, can you describe it a bit more fully? Like, what chords? Or what > notes? > > And, as long as we're talking about "verses," let me quote an old Church > Music instructor from 50+ years ago: "Bibles have verses. Hymns have > stanzas." (Now, really, I've kept my mouth shut about this for several > years, but it really continues to bug me!) And the BEST writers say > "verses" when they should say "stanzas." Come on, gang! (Or tell me = I'm > wrong.) > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Amen and on to hymn playing From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:43:36 EST   In a message dated 2/28/2004 10:35:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   > play 2 chords or notes   should be two beats according to david cherwein...   if not an interlude   dale in florida    
(back) Subject: Re: singing the Amen From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:07:08 +0800     ----- Original Message ----- From: quilisma@cox.net To Amen or not to Amen, that is the question. My personal thoughts are = that Amens are appropriate only in hymns that are contextually prayers. = Most hymnals do not include the Amen at the end of the hymn anymore, = however, most of those same hymnals will include some refrerence to = playing an Amen (Fourth to Tonic) in any key. Clearly the Amen has not = "gone away."   As an aid to the congregation, Amens are coordinated with the pastor who = makes mention to the congregation or it is published in the bulletin.   Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:54:32 -0800 To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: singing the Amen > When I wanted an amen where none was printed, I simply tied over the > soprano note. My congregation, at least, knew what to do ... that's a > hoary Anglican service-playing thingie, much frowned upon these days, I > know (grin). > > Bud > > Shaun Brown wrote: > > > The final Amen can alienate people that aren't used to it being there, > > which is most people nowadays. I personally think it can only be > > accepltable if it is actually written in the congregation's order of > > service. How can newcomers possibly know when to do the amen, and = when > > not to?   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: Amen and on to hymn playing From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:20:51 +0800   Jumping in way late in the game ... Alan, you are _so_ right and wrong. From our friends at dictionary.com   STANZA: One of the divisions of a poem, composed of two or more lines = usually characterized by a common pattern of meter, rhyme, and number of = lines.   VERSE: 1. A. A single metrical line in a poetic composition; one line of = poetry. B. A division of a metrical composition, such as a stanza of a = poem or hymn. C. A poem.   2. Metrical or rhymed composition as distinct from prose; poetry. A. The art or work of a poet. B. A group of poems: read a book of satirical verse.   4. Metrical writing that lacks depth or artistic merit.   5. A particular type of metrical composition, such as blank verse or = free verse.   6. One of the numbered subdivisions of a chapter in the Bible.   -- Numbers 1.B. and 2. above would seem to argue for either being correct = while 4. throws a monkey-wrench at the whole thing making verses only = appropriate for CCM.   > > And, as long as we're talking about "verses," let me quote an old = Church > > Music instructor from 50+ years ago: "Bibles have verses. Hymns have > > stanzas." (Now, really, I've kept my mouth shut about this for = several > > years, but it really continues to bug me!) And the BEST writers say > > "verses" when they should say "stanzas." Come on, gang! (Or tell = me I'm > > wrong.) > > > > Alan   -- Jan Nijhuis (Yeah, I'm one of the guys with the Kurzweil and the Alesis surrounded by = guitars and wishing I had a real organ.)   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Moller artiste From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:39:58 -0600   Thanks to Gregory for reminding me to do my daily drool! I wonder how = many more of those wonderful Moller Artistes are still out there. I fondly recall one in an Episcopal church somewhere in the SW suburbs of Chicago. = I was out on a service call with Fred Beale many years ago. After three = trips around the block trying to find the place, my keen eyes finally spotted a glint of red door peeking through the thick foliage. Herein we found this =   delightful little instrument high in the gallery. Had a lot of fun in the =   half-hour or so we were there!   jim   O):^)   _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/