PipeChat Digest #4192 - Friday, January 2, 2004
 
RE: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Playing the organ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Iconoclasm & art (long)
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Iconoclasm & art (long)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Iconoclasm & art (long)
  by "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com>
BAARPIJP
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Re: Iconoclasm & art (long)
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
RE: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Iconoclasm & art (long)
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: BAARPIJP
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
RE: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary
  by "Paul Marshall" <p.marsh@rcn.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:26:01 -0600   And, of course, David has the splendid successor Holtkamp to support his musicianship....   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Malcolm Wechsler Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:49 AM To: PipeChat; Alan Freed Subject: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary   Dear Listpersons,   As I like to call him, "Alan, Freed from all restraint" writes the following eminently sensible thing:   > Does your denomination have colleges? With music departments? Is there > pressure on those departments (if they exist) to PRODUCE at least mildly > competent musicians? Is that a way to go? (I think it's made a HUGE > difference for Lutherans.)   When I was a student at The Juilliard in the early 60s, my partner and I maintained the old Roosevelt Organ at General Seminary, and got to know and like the place. We often attended the Evensong that ended every Sunday there, done wonderfully well by the students, singing with great intelligence and enthusiasm. Ray Brown was the formidable musician in charge in those days. Every incoming seminarian had a voice and music reading test, and if he (no she in those days, sadly) failed, was required to attend group and private lessons for how long, I do not know. The results were plain to hear at any service in that lovely chapel, and I suspect that the results also resonated throughout the country in the churches to which the seminarians were appointed after graduation. The wonderful David Hurd is, I believe, in the seminary post now, and I hope he is given the same mandate as was Ray Brown some 45 years ago.   Cheers,   Malcolm - who awakened to an inch of fresh snow this morning, soon to melt (the snow, not me!).         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 08:40:35 -0800   I'm fond of the General Seminary Holtkamp, but what happened to the Roosevelt?   Cheers,   Bud   Storandt, Peter wrote:   > And, of course, David has the splendid successor Holtkamp to support his > musicianship.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Malcolm Wechsler > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:49 AM > To: PipeChat; Alan Freed > Subject: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary > > Dear Listpersons, > > As I like to call him, "Alan, Freed from all restraint" writes the > following > eminently sensible thing: > > >>Does your denomination have colleges? With music departments? Is > > there > >>pressure on those departments (if they exist) to PRODUCE at least > > mildly > >>competent musicians? Is that a way to go? (I think it's made a HUGE >>difference for Lutherans.) > > > When I was a student at The Juilliard in the early 60s, my partner and I > maintained the old Roosevelt Organ at General Seminary, and got to know > and > like the place. We often attended the Evensong that ended every Sunday > there, done wonderfully well by the students, singing with great > intelligence and enthusiasm. Ray Brown was the formidable musician in > charge > in those days. Every incoming seminarian had a voice and music reading > test, > and if he (no she in those days, sadly) failed, was required to attend > group > and private lessons for how long, I do not know. The results were plain > to > hear at any service in that lovely chapel, and I suspect that the > results > also resonated throughout the country in the churches to which the > seminarians were appointed after graduation. The wonderful David Hurd > is, I > believe, in the seminary post now, and I hope he is given the same > mandate > as was Ray Brown some 45 years ago. > > Cheers, > > Malcolm - who awakened to an inch of fresh snow this morning, soon to > melt > (the snow, not me!). > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Playing the organ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:35:25 -0500   On 1/2/04 10:58 AM, "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > One lady told me I "couldn't possibly lead a > service AND play the organ,"   Well, Dennis, you certainly COULD in some congregations. And you DO. But it IS, as you said, a bit much. Especially as (I think) you have = communion every Sunday. (As do we.)   It would be a (literal) reach in most Lutheran parishes. Bordering on the impossible. Think of the Preface-Sanctus! A lot of things that are = usually accompanied would just have to be a cappella. But that's not terrible, either! But if you WANT a sung/accompanied "Per ipsum" and Agnus Dei, = OY!   You could certainly do Prelude and Postlude (thus making the job easier = for a marginal sub)--but people might "miss" you at the door after service.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:32:05 -0600   Malcolm must have taken it home. I think the Holtkamp has been in place since about 1963 or so.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of quilisma@cox.net Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:41 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary   I'm fond of the General Seminary Holtkamp, but what happened to the=20 Roosevelt?   Cheers,   Bud   Storandt, Peter wrote:   > And, of course, David has the splendid successor Holtkamp to support his > musicianship.... >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Malcolm Wechsler > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:49 AM > To: PipeChat; Alan Freed > Subject: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary >=20 > Dear Listpersons, >=20 > As I like to call him, "Alan, Freed from all restraint" writes the > following > eminently sensible thing: >=20 >=20 >>Does your denomination have colleges? With music departments? Is >=20 > there >=20 >>pressure on those departments (if they exist) to PRODUCE at least >=20 > mildly >=20 >>competent musicians? Is that a way to go? (I think it's made a HUGE >>difference for Lutherans.) >=20 >=20 > When I was a student at The Juilliard in the early 60s, my partner and I > maintained the old Roosevelt Organ at General Seminary, and got to know > and > like the place. We often attended the Evensong that ended every Sunday > there, done wonderfully well by the students, singing with great > intelligence and enthusiasm. Ray Brown was the formidable musician in > charge > in those days. Every incoming seminarian had a voice and music reading > test, > and if he (no she in those days, sadly) failed, was required to attend > group > and private lessons for how long, I do not know. The results were plain > to > hear at any service in that lovely chapel, and I suspect that the > results > also resonated throughout the country in the churches to which the > seminarians were appointed after graduation. The wonderful David Hurd > is, I > believe, in the seminary post now, and I hope he is given the same > mandate > as was Ray Brown some 45 years ago. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Malcolm - who awakened to an inch of fresh snow this morning, soon to > melt > (the snow, not me!). >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20 >=20 >=20     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Iconoclasm & art (long) From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:45:15 EST   Colin,   There is certainly a "via media"--at least at my Parish.   We were a mission church of the Cowley Fathers from about 1880 until = around 1986, when we became a Parish in the Episcopal Diocese of Massachusetts (interestingly, our current Bishop is SSJE). For some years before 1880, = our Bowdoin St. building was the site of the Church of the Advent, before it moved to Brimmer St. Before that, the building was a Congregational Church whose = pastor was Lyman Beecher, the uncle of Harriet Beecher Stowe, and was a major stop on =   the Underground Railroad.   Currently, our liturgy is what I would call "Rite II Anglo-Catholic" (see = the ECUSA BCP). That is, contemporary language making use of both Gregorian = and Sarum Rite chant and with a Schola Cantorum with a repertoire which spans = the centuries (up to the present--I write for them often) which includes but = is not limited to the "Cathedral Tradition". As an aside, some members of this = list have lamented the 1979 revision of our BCP. I have never understood the objection, as our "Rite I" is to 98% identical to the 1928 US Prayerbook. = There was always the option (which remains to this day) to use the American Missal = (a prissy, "spiky" document indeed). As an Anglo-Catholic, I applaud the = "new" prayerbook, as "Rite II" signifies a theological triumph of the "Catholic = party" over the low-churchmen while being accomodating, especially where = Eucharistic theology is concerned. Rite II has also become the norm in the United = States, thankfully. Older A-C practices, such as the "Last Gospel" or reciting the =   Angelus before the "Ite Missa Est" still remain as options--and we at St. = John's make use of them often.   What is attractive about our Parish, however, runs deeper than fine music = and liturgy. In the spirit of our roots as a parish steeped in social justice = and in the spirit of the Oxford Movement, we run a soup kitchen seven days per =   week. We also host activities for the homeless and poor such as painting = and provide counseling for those wanting to get off the street or into = treatment centres. EVERYONE is invited to our worship, though none compelled to come = in order to receive social services. If they do come, they find people from = all classes and walks of life dressed casually--who give the "kiss of peace" = to everyone, Boston Brahmin and Street-dweller alike.   We have excellent preaching and adult education. All are welcome. Though = we are "high church", we are socially liberal and inclusive--in short, "Anglican"--embracing Scripture, Tradition and Reason. The Right Rev'd V. = Gene Robinson preached at our Rector's installation last year, for example.   We are growing and thriving. It's a great example of the possibilities of = the Anglican "via media". The combination of fine preaching, liturgy and music =   (Scripture and Tradition) and Reason (adult education, outreach, = inclusiveness, modern language) is working for us. Who needs a guitar Mass?   Bill H. St. John's, Bowdoin St., Boston MA    
(back) Subject: Re: Iconoclasm & art (long) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:05:17 -0500   On 1/2/04 11:45 AM, "DERREINETOR@aol.com" <DERREINETOR@aol.com> wrote:   > There is certainly a "via media"--at least at my Parish. >=20 >=20 Bill: That sounds like a wonderful place, and a model for many others to follow=8Bwhich I hope they do.   Alan www.stlukesnyc.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Iconoclasm & art (long) From: "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:09:44 -0600   It doesn't matter how the message is presented, via organ, chant, = guitar, keyboard, etc. What I read in your post here is that the message = of Jesus Christ is being delivered and heard in your parish. The call to = social justice is apparent by the activities your parish has, i.e.. soup = kitchens, etc. But most importantly, your parish is living the "love = upon love" that we all just celebrated at Christmas. Jesus is less concerned with Rite I or Rite II or pre-Vatican II, or = organ vs. guitar, as he is with bringing others into his loving = salvation. I thank God for you and your church as you are obviously = helping our Savior's call. May all of us continue his work through = music.=20   I just had to write that. The last several post seem to be more church = like and less antagonistic. I am new to this group. I am enjoying it = immensely.=20   Tina Hemphill From: DERREINETOR@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Iconoclasm & art (long)     Colin,   There is certainly a "via media"--at least at my Parish.=20   We were a mission church of the Cowley Fathers from about 1880 until = around 1986, when we became a Parish in the Episcopal Diocese of = Massachusetts (interestingly, our current Bishop is SSJE). For some = years before 1880, our Bowdoin St. building was the site of the Church = of the Advent, before it moved to Brimmer St. Before that, the building = was a Congregational Church whose pastor was Lyman Beecher, the uncle of = Harriet Beecher Stowe, and was a major stop on the Underground Railroad. =     Currently, our liturgy is what I would call "Rite II Anglo-Catholic" = (see the ECUSA BCP). That is, contemporary language making use of both = Gregorian and Sarum Rite chant and with a Schola Cantorum with a = repertoire which spans the centuries (up to the present--I write for = them often) which includes but is not limited to the "Cathedral = Tradition". As an aside, some members of this list have lamented the = 1979 revision of our BCP. I have never understood the objection, as our = "Rite I" is to 98% identical to the 1928 US Prayerbook. There was always = the option (which remains to this day) to use the American Missal (a = prissy, "spiky" document indeed). As an Anglo-Catholic, I applaud the = "new" prayerbook, as "Rite II" signifies a theological triumph of the = "Catholic party" over the low-churchmen while being accomodating, = especially where Eucharistic theology is concerned. Rite II has also = become the norm in the United States, thankfully. Older A-C practices, = such as the "Last Gospel" or reciting the Angelus before the "Ite Missa = Est" still remain as options--and we at St. John's make use of them = often.   What is attractive about our Parish, however, runs deeper than fine = music and liturgy. In the spirit of our roots as a parish steeped in = social justice and in the spirit of the Oxford Movement, we run a soup = kitchen seven days per week. We also host activities for the homeless = and poor such as painting and provide counseling for those wanting to = get off the street or into treatment centres. EVERYONE is invited to our = worship, though none compelled to come in order to receive social = services. If they do come, they find people from all classes and walks = of life dressed casually--who give the "kiss of peace" to everyone, = Boston Brahmin and Street-dweller alike.   We have excellent preaching and adult education. All are welcome. = Though we are "high church", we are socially liberal and inclusive--in = short, "Anglican"--embracing Scripture, Tradition and Reason. The Right = Rev'd V. Gene Robinson preached at our Rector's installation last year, = for example.=20   We are growing and thriving. It's a great example of the possibilities = of the Anglican "via media". The combination of fine preaching, liturgy = and music (Scripture and Tradition) and Reason (adult education, = outreach, inclusiveness, modern language) is working for us. Who needs a = guitar Mass?   Bill H. St. John's, Bowdoin St., Boston MA  
(back) Subject: BAARPIJP From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:21:03 -0800   John Speller noted,   =3D-> One famous one was on the Dutch organ in Eton College, which has a stop which should have been named BAARPIJP; for several decades the knob actually read BAARPUP. <-=3D   - - - - - - -   Perhaps they were trying to indicate an onomatopoeic description of the stop!   In that case, think of the fun that organbuilders could have with Regaal stops: They would be onomatopoeically spelled something like "BPRAAPPT" --- the Trichterregal would be "BPRUPPT" and the Holzregal, "BFROPPT" ...   then "BLAAAAAIT" for the Trompete ...   Say, we could have some fun with this .......   "Lovely Chimes" [most of 'em, anyway!] would be "KLAAANK" - or, the worst varieties, "TTAANK" ...   Subbass (32) ... Bhluddahbhluddahbhluddah   Siffl=F6te ... Eeeeeeeeeeep   "And so it goes"     ~ C    
(back) Subject: Re: Iconoclasm & art (long) From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:23:56 EST   Tina, You're very right--it doesn't matter, as long as we offer up our best to = Him. If this were a low-church evangelical Anglican parish in, say, Virginia, I =   might be tempted to join! It's nice to have options, though. Thanks for = your support! BH    
(back) Subject: Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:28:56 -0600   Malcolm Wechsler wrote:   >When I was a student at The Juilliard in the early 60s, my partner and I >maintained the old Roosevelt Organ at General Seminary, and got to know = and >like the place. We often attended the Evensong that ended every Sunday >there, done wonderfully well by the students, singing with great >intelligence and enthusiasm. Ray Brown was the formidable musician in = charge >in those days. Every incoming seminarian had a voice and music reading = test, >and if he (no she in those days, sadly) failed, was required to attend = group >and private lessons for how long, I do not know. The results were plain = to >hear at any service in that lovely chapel, and I suspect that the results >also resonated throughout the country in the churches to which the >seminarians were appointed after graduation. The wonderful David Hurd is, = I >believe, in the seminary post now, and I hope he is given the same = mandate >as was Ray Brown some 45 years ago. > > My wife did her training for the Episcopal Ministry at GTS back in the 1880's, and though she attended some of David Hurd's classes and can sing very nicely (she had already sung in college choirs at Bryn Mawr and Oxford), there is, I'm afraid, no compulsion to be able to sing these days. The present organ is, of course, a three-manual Holtkamp.   Some clergy are better than others, but then the same is true of organists. I recall a few years back attending a diocesan service at a cathedral on the east coast where the organist was more than overdue for retirement. His retirement had just been announced and everyone was heaving a sigh of relief. The music had fallen into an absolutely deplorable state, some of the choir had quit and the rest pulling their hair out with frustration. I remember commenting to the archdeacon that you knew when things had really reached a sorry pass when the bishop singing the Sursum Corda was the musical highlight of the service. Fortunately the cathedral concerned now has a new and very fine musician and the music there is great.   John Speller          
(back) Subject: RE: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:29:40 -0600   She doesn't look a day over 100....   John wrote:   My wife did her training for the Episcopal Ministry at GTS back in the=20 1880's, and though she attended some of David Hurd's classes and can=20 sing very nicely (she had already sung in college choirs at Bryn Mawr=20 and Oxford), there is, I'm afraid, no compulsion to be able to sing=20 these days. The present organ is, of course, a three-manual Holtkamp.      
(back) Subject: Re: Iconoclasm & art (long) From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:33:34 EST   Alan, I've looked at your parish's website--looks like you are up to good = things. It reminds me somewhat of St. Martin's (ELCA) in Austin, TX--thoroughly Lutheran, thoroughly "small c" Catholic, thoroughly "high" in the best = sense of the word. And, it would seem, a great place to be, let alone work. Pax, BH    
(back) Subject: Re: BAARPIJP From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:40:00 -0600   Oh, how fun. Imagine how weird it could get if the stops were named for that organ. Each organ could then have totally different stops, for instance the krommhorn on one of our organs would be a small car horn and the 16' fagott would be the bass-duck-call. However another krommhorn would be the toy whistle and the regal at my professor's church could only be called the ORGANIST'S-EAR-IRRITATOR! I think the 32' subbass could be motor-running-under-the-hall, but the 32' posaune is puzzling me. Alicia Zeilenga Sub-Dean AGO@UI "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"     -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Lester <crlester@137.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:21:03 -0800 Subject: BAARPIJP   > John Speller noted, > > =3D-> One famous one was on the Dutch organ in Eton College, > which has a stop which should have been named BAARPIJP; for > several decades the knob actually read BAARPUP. <-=3D > > - - - - - - - > > Perhaps they were trying to indicate an onomatopoeic > description of the stop! > > In that case, think of the fun that organbuilders could have > with Regaal stops: They would be onomatopoeically spelled > something like "BPRAAPPT" --- the Trichterregal would be > "BPRUPPT" and the Holzregal, "BFROPPT" ... > > then "BLAAAAAIT" for the Trompete ... > > Say, we could have some fun with this ....... > > "Lovely Chimes" [most of 'em, anyway!] would be "KLAAANK" - > or, the worst varieties, "TTAANK" ... > > Subbass (32) ... Bhluddahbhluddahbhluddah > > Siffl=F6te ... Eeeeeeeeeeep > > "And so it goes" > > > ~ > C > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:41:18 -0600       Storandt, Peter wrote:   >She doesn't look a day over 100.... > >John wrote: > >My wife did her training for the Episcopal Ministry at GTS back in the >1880's, > Oops! That should be 1980's. <g>   The 1880's were when the Roosevelt was put in. They wouldn't have had my wife in those days, since not only didn't they admit women at that time, but they even had a system of underground tunnels (which I believe still exist under and between the buildings), so that the women domestic staff could move about the campus unobserved, and the men would not even have to look on a woman!   John.        
(back) Subject: Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:02:30 -0500   On 1/2/04 12:28 PM, "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   > My wife did her training for the Episcopal Ministry at GTS back in the > 1880's,   Oh, my! I do hope she's holding up well!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:36:21 -0500   John Speller mentioned thusly;   >My wife did her training for the Episcopal Ministry at GTS back in the >1880's,   And she is still singing? One Hundred and Twenty years is a goodly time = to be singing!   Bob      
(back) Subject: RE: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary From: "Paul Marshall" <p.marsh@rcn.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:57:35 -0500   Ah, you've not been to Evensong at GTS :-) Paul Marshall       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Bob Conway Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:36 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Musical Training for the Clergy in Seminary   John Speller mentioned thusly;   >My wife did her training for the Episcopal Ministry at GTS back in the >1880's,   And she is still singing? One Hundred and Twenty years is a goodly time to be singing!   Bob     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org