PipeChat Digest #4194 - Saturday, January 3, 2004
RE: Parish demographics and finding an organist
  by "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net>
Traditional Religion.
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
AGO National in LA
  by "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net>
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>

(back) Subject: RE: Parish demographics and finding an organist From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:23:48 -0500   Dear List: =20 Without going and looking up the sources (in other words: from my error prone memory). =20 The average American church has 89 adults attending a weekly service. =20 The "small church" is 100 (adults) and under. The "large church" is 1000 = and over. Medium is, well obvious. =20 Small churches tend to be: (1) blue collar, (2) lower average incomes, = (3) attract young (single) adults (repel "baby boomers"), (4) risk adverse, = (5) 60% of all Protestant Churches. =20 Medium churched tend to be (1) Via Media locales, (2) more upscale, ... =20 Large churches tend to (1) Program rich, (2) More Flexible, (3) Risk = takers (niche), (4) 70% tend to be "conservative" in worship orientation, (5) = 2% of all churches (6) Relatively affluent but that does not mean that the = level of funding per giving unit is always as high as in a medium sized = church. (7) A haven for those who think like prototypical "Baby Boomers." =20 Church attending adults tend to be (1) three "conservatives" for each "liberal." (2) 41% wish to attend a small church, (3) 12% want to be = served at a large church, (4) 47% want a medium church which provides more = ministry opportunity and this becomes truer as children are added to the family = unit. =20 Finally, In one survey we found that churches with pipe organs had to = look for organists less frequently than nonpiped churches. And, that = organists would take a lower salary in order to play a well perceived pipe organ; = but, salary had to climb as the alternatives got worse. =20 Wm. G. Chapman West Point, NY   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Alan Freed Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:45 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Parish demographics and finding an organist     On 1/2/04 3:16 PM, "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > Responding to Alan Freed--I don't have a specific source for the = average > size of a congregation offhand, but I believe it to be accurate. I am > the only organist in my congregation, not my denomination. I am > Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), and we have some very fine > organists and some fine colleges.   That's OK, Dennis; I'll see what I can dig up, and share it with you. I think it will support what you've said. And I'm glad to hear about your schools. I KNOW you have some fine organs and organists; it's been = AGES, but I recall hearing very good things about First National City = Christian Church (approximately!!) in Washington, D.C. LBJ's church, during his administration, as I recall. >=20 > The denomination of my youth was a historically related group known as > the "independent Christian churches and churches of Christ." >=20 > Both these are demographically middle class groups without a strong > liturgical tradition. >=20 > However, we all know it is difficult to engage a competent = organist--and > yes, I suspect it's primarily salary related. Even if we could all > instantly pay $50K a year to our musicians, there would still be a > shortage for several years until supply would catch up!   Oh yes indeed! $50K would be neat bait, all right. We're terribly = lucky in NYC because I think many organists come here for study, retital-going, = etc. And, I suppose, just for the "prestige" of having served any post (even = at poor salary, and HIGH cost of living) in the Big Apple. (We have a few = rich parishes here, of course; but most, like mine, pinch the pennies just = like anywhere else.)   Alan=20      
(back) Subject: Traditional Religion. From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:12:37 -0600   I beg your pardon! Everyone is entitled to his/her own beliefs, of = course, but I am entirely comfortable with the Virgin Birth, miracles, and a whole host of other "traditional" understandings of Christian faith. If one believes--as I do--in an omnipotent Being, I don't see any problem with = the rest of the package.   But personally, I think it's time to discuss organs and leave our theological persuasions to more appropriate venues.   Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats    
(back) Subject: AGO National in LA From: "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:30:41 -0800   I just sent in my registration for AGO National this summer in LA. Just a Reminder that you get a discount if you sign up before the end of January. I can't wait to hear the new Disney Hall Organ! It should be very interesting with Manual Rosales involved in the project. JJ      
(back) Subject: Re: BAARPIJP From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 00:05:30 -0600   Alicia Zeilenga wrote: > Oh, how fun. Imagine how weird it could get if the stops were named for > that organ. Each organ could then have totally different stops, for > instance the krommhorn on one of our organs would be a small car horn > and the 16' fagott would be the bass-duck-call.   Actually: that's "Honking Geese in the Basement!"   > I think the 32' subbass could be motor-running-under-the-hall,   It is. But the blades have to be out of balance!   > but the 32' posaune is puzzling me.   Jackhammer 32'   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS