PipeChat Digest #4195 - Sunday, January 4, 2004
 
Re: BAARPIJP
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Iconoclasm & art (long)
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: BAARPIJP
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Parish demographics and finding an organist
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Parish demographics and finding an organist
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Parish demographics
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Open House
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Open House
  by "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com>
RE: Parish demographics
  by "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: BAARPIJP From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 08:30:46 EST   In a message dated 1/3/2004 1:02:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, arpschneider@starband.net writes: > I think the 32' subbass could be motor-running-under-the-hall,   It is. But the blades have to be out of balance!   > but the 32' posaune is puzzling me.   Jackhammer 32' many years ago when I lived near (and went to school in the shadow of) the =   Shrine (in DC) I loved referring to the 32' ContraTrombone as the set of = "tuned machine guns" ;-)   Rick (now) in VA    
(back) Subject: Re: Iconoclasm & art (long) From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:45:34 EST   In a message dated 1/2/2004 6:30:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes: I perceive religious faith as a poor relation to scholarly research and scientific, evidential presentation, and I make no apology for the fact that I regard Genesis as trash Dear Colin;   Your post reveals two things: your repeated use of "I DON'T NEED" = followed by nearly every fundamental doctrine of the Christian church suggests you = are shaping your own set of beliefs. That is fine, but your assesment of what = you do or do not need doesn't equate with absolute truth. You could still be wrong (or right).   The other thing is a lack of knowledge about scholarly research and scientific, evidential presentation. While not tied up into a neat, = "case-closed" bundle, scholars and scientists continue to verify vast quantities of the =   Christian scriptures' accuracy in terms of the historical and scientific = approach. The resurrection of Jesus, for one, has so much historical verification as to = be, at the very least, worthy of serious consideration.   I certainly acknowlege that a sane, experience-based intelligence (such as =   realizing that NO ONE has ever been raised from the dead in modern times) = MUST play a significant role in faith. However, the wrong question to ask is = "Is it believable?" The right question is "Is it true?"   You need make no apology for your belief that you "regard Genesis as = trash." I, on the other hand, though the claims of Genesis are mind-boggling, = believe there is so much that has been supported historically by intellects much futher advanced than mine that it is an intelligent decision to regard = Genesis as trustworthy.   Our organist is on vacation this week, and I'm looking forward to playing "Brightest and Best of the stars of the Morning," using the full resources = of our V/110 Schatnz/Skinner. It used to be V/103, but the console now controls = the 7 ranks in the chapel as well. All pipe ranks, btw. Ken Cowan played a brilliant concert in October to rededicate the organ after a technological = update. He used every stop, and really showed off our instrument in a stunning = recital by memory. Largest attendance (just under 500) of any organ recital in at least a decade in Erie.   Steve Skinner Minister of Music and Worship First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA    
(back) Subject: Re: BAARPIJP From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 11:49:13 -0600   On one organ I played, it might be the "32' Rumble-beginning-after- Everything-Else." Alicia     -----Original Message----- From: RMaryman@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 08:30:46 EST Subject: Re: BAARPIJP   > In a message dated 1/3/2004 1:02:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, > arpschneider@starband.net writes: > > I think the 32' subbass could be motor-running-under-the-hall, > > It is. But the blades have to be out of balance! > > > but the 32' posaune is puzzling me. > > Jackhammer 32' > many years ago when I lived near (and went to school in the shadow of) > the > Shrine (in DC) I loved referring to the 32' ContraTrombone as the set > of "tuned > machine guns" ;-) > > Rick (now) in VA >      
(back) Subject: Re: Parish demographics and finding an organist From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:23:29 -0500   On 1/2/04 10:23 PM, "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net> wrote:   > The average American church has 89 adults attending a weekly service. >=20 Boy, that=B9s LOW! Even if you add on the kids, it might not break 100.   I have some figures for Lutherans in NYC (which, by definition, will not be a broad or represenative sample); I=B9ll try to put them together this afternoon.   Thanks for interesting stuff!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Parish demographics and finding an organist From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:15:20 -0500   That figure of 89 DOES include the kids. I've seen the figures for the Presbytery of Geneva (NYS), which takes = in the whole middle of the state, a pretty large area, and that figure is = right on. Maybe a little closer to 80. And that does mean "average", half of them are smaller. A lot of them are a LOT smaller. But people are more spread out up here too, except for the cities. = There are a whole lot of smaller churches and not so many bigger ones. I know = of several with a congregation of about 10. But they are just as important as a larger group. Each person is a person of one single Christian, whether they are gathered together in a group of 10 or 1000. You'd be surprised how many smaller pipe organs there are around, and how many people play for free.   The last list I saw, a couple of years ago I guess, was divided into 3 groups---large, medium, and small. My church, with an average of about = 80, was not quite at the bottom of the "large" list. Interestingly, there were fewer in the "medium" list (I think it was attendence of 40 to 80) and a whole lot of "small" ones (under 40). You probably could look those figures up someplace, probably out of = date by now. But that's pretty close.   Diane   --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Information Boulevard's Virus = Scanning]    
(back) Subject: Re: Parish demographics From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:18:16 -0500   On 1/3/04 2:15 PM, "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> wrote:   > That figure of 89 DOES include the kids.   Diane: I just worked up some figures. These figures are for ELCA ONLY, = and NYC ONLY. Don't even think about extrapolating denominationally or geographically.   I'm appalled at, and ashamed of, the numbers; but, ONLY for what they're worth:   The Bronx: 18 parishes. Attendance range: 18 to 260. Average, 83. Brooklyn: 36 parishes. Range: 5 to 380. Average: 65. Manhattan: 17 parishes. Range: 25 to 353. Average: 100. Queens: 38 parishes. Range: 21 to 151. Average: 72. Staten Island: 8 parishes. Range: 40 to 187. Average: 109. Total City: 117 parishes. Average attendance: 86.   So almost exactly the figure you provided! The only cheerful part is = that, while a few parishes have closed in recent years, there are several new = ones to replace them. Some of the VERY poor numbers above may belong to congregations that are JUST opening. The above 117 parishes offer = services in almost two dozen languages.   Maybe I'll repeat this exercise for Minneapolis; THAT will look a bit different!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Open House From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:22:41 -0600   Redman Organ Co.,. 816 E. Vickery Blvd. Fort Worth, TX will have an open = house on Sunday January 11 from 2 until 5:00 p.m. The organ to be shown = is a 24 rank tracker for Our Lady of Walsingham Catholic Church in = Houston. Please join us if you are in our area. Roy Redman  
(back) Subject: Re: Open House From: "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:45:28 -0600   Dear Roy, Oh if I could just get back home to Fort Worth. Your announcement makes = me home sick. I'd be there in a heart beat. I hope you have a wonderful turnout.=20   Tina Hemphill, Wisconsin...Former paramedic with Medstar-Fort Worth. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roy Redman=20 To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu=20 Cc: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: Open House     Redman Organ Co.,. 816 E. Vickery Blvd. Fort Worth, TX will have an = open house on Sunday January 11 from 2 until 5:00 p.m. The organ to be = shown is a 24 rank tracker for Our Lady of Walsingham Catholic Church in = Houston. Please join us if you are in our area. Roy Redman  
(back) Subject: RE: Parish demographics From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:30:23 -0500   In trying to split hairs between 89 including or excluding kids I came across the following on the internet. I do not vouch for the quality of = any of this research.     Barna:   http://www.barna.org/cgi-bin/PageCategory.asp?CategoryID=3D10   Variance between pew and pulpit:   http://www.baptiststandard.com/1998/9_30/pages/portrait.html   Mega $$   http://www.leadnet.org/resources/docs/2001_salarysurvey_report.pdf   Christianity Today 2001   http://www.christianitytoday.com/leaders/newsletter/2001/cln10221.html   Reformed Church critique of "Church Growth"   http://reformed.net/ncd/snapper.html   'Nuf said.   Wm. G. Chapman West Point