PipeChat Digest #4205 - Tuesday, January 6, 2004
 
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(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4203 - 01/06/04 From: "GARY JENKINS" <gary.jenkins6@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:59:24 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:22 PM Subject: PipeChat Digest #4203 - 01/06/04     PipeChat Digest #4203 - Tuesday, January 6, 2004   Re: A bad room is no excuse (was Re: extreme examples from the 60's and = 7 by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Dog in the Manger again? by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Dog in the Manger again? by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Re: Dog in the Manger again? by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Geneva Organ in Funeral Home by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Re: Music Search? by <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Music Source Question by <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Re: Music Search? by <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Re: Music Search? by <ProOrgo53@aol.com> RE: Music Search? by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Re: Music Source Question by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Re: Geneva Organ in Funeral Home by "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com> eBay funnies by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Re: A bad room is no excuse by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Choral music for K-1 by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Re: A bad room is no excuse by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Re: Bach from the dead? Let's get a Handel on this..... by <RMB10@aol.com> Re: Choral music for K-1 by "jfc" <mailman_63127@yahoo.com> RE: Bach from the dead? Let's get a Handel on this..... by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Re: Bach from the dead? Let's get a Handel on this..... by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Beethoven ... ? by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Re: The Eight Little by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>    
(back) Subject: Re: A bad room is no excuse (was Re: extreme examples from the = 60's and 70's) From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:50:12 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Replace them with "whoopee cushions" in that case....they wouldn't dare get up!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Keys4bach@aol.com wrote: > > BUT WHEN THEY Stand up and sing the cushions really > do add to the sucking of > sound...     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus  
(back) Subject: Dog in the Manger again? From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:35:16 -0600   I don't know the details of the Geneva funeral home organ that is available, but it *sounds* a bit like our old "dog in the manger" again--i.e., "We can't use it, and we'll demolish it with the building, but if you pay us $2500, we'll give you two weeks to get it out."   Am I missing part of the story here?   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower        
(back) Subject: Dog in the Manger again? From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:53:35 -0600   "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" wrote:   > I don't know the details of the Geneva funeral home organ that is > available, but it *sounds* a bit like our old "dog in the manger" > again--i.e., "We can't use it, and we'll demolish it with the building, > but if you pay us $2500, we'll give you two weeks to get it out."   Sounds pretty accurate to me.   I've looked recently at another Geneva organ, and while they're "OK", there's nothing spectacular about them that I'd be willing to pay even 10% of that amount to save it.   But the again: since I have a warehouse full of stuff I would hardly be in the market! Nowadays, people can't seem to even GIVE these things away; much less sell them-at ANY price! This seems to be a trend that I optimistically hope will reverse itself one day, but when we see organs, = in some instances, less than 10 years ago being trashed because the church in question "sold out" to the CCM pundits, it's only a matter of time.   Of course, I'd LOVE to be proven wrong!   They say that styles "come and go" and if one waits long enough, things will eventually come back into style again; like tie widths! MY hope is that I can out-last it. For instance, I have just read Charlie Lester's post about people lamenting the loss of huge-scaled Diapasons, Dulcianas, Harp stops and other musical favorites of an era now past.   Come on over! I have any number of all of those things for those of you interested in a full-blown restoration!   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS  
(back) Subject: Re: Dog in the Manger again? From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:47:05 -0600   At 11:35 AM 1/6/04, you wrote:   >I don't know the details of the Geneva funeral home organ that is >available, but it *sounds* a bit like our old "dog in the manger" >again--i.e., "We can't use it, and we'll demolish it with the building, >but if you pay us $2500, we'll give you two weeks to get it out." > >Am I missing part of the story here? > >Dennis Steckley Probably not..here is a quote from someone who knows the situation better than I.."the chest work condition is now a big question with being soaked by humidity last Fri & Sat and now sitting at -2 F. I am sick that this jerk has fluffed off real buyers at what it is worth hoping he can squeeze more than it is worth on a good day in June without snow falling on it = from holes in the roof and walls. After 73 years of care one ying yang gives this thing a death sentence in 3 weeks."   The windows have been removed..the first floor windows were boarded over = to keep curiosity seekers out and the power shut-off....building is now unheated and partially open to the elements...the junk dealer paid $500 at auction hoping to make a killing by re-selling it. His license plate says "$CASH$" if that gives you an idea where his priorities are....I would speculate that this poor organ is a lost cause. He was offered $500 for = the pipes and refused that offer.   jch    
(back) Subject: Geneva Organ in Funeral Home From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:00:52 -0800   I am a little puzzled --- if the people are concerned about the organ not getting "knocked down" with the building, then why are they trying to SELL it, instead of just give it away?   They're not going to make anything on it if it ends up as part of the rubble, so why not make the work and time involved in removing it worth someone's while and just give it away?   People [especially those who have never done an organ transplant] nearly always under-estimate what will be involved in taking out a pipe organ. Granted, a 5-ranker can only be so much trouble, but you just never know what unforeseen hurdles there may be to overcome. What may seem at first glance to be an easy job may well turn into a real teeth-grinder when you get down to the task.   Just my 137=A2 worth...   ~ C      
(back) Subject: Re: Music Search? From: <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:03:09 -0500   We have an old LP with "Festival Prelude" for Organ and Orchestra Composed by Richard Strauss, Opus 61. Performed by the New York Philharmonic and E. Power Biggs Columbia Masterworks - ML 5798 The orchestra is great, the music is good, the organ is most horrible, an old Allen something. I'm always wondering why Biggs would even have played = the thing.   Gary   Quoting "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>:   > > --- ContraReed@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/6/2004 8:52:02 AM Eastern > > Standard Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes: > > > > > A good friend of mine sent me this today...can > > anyone help? > > > > > > looking for the correct name and publisher of the > > music. > > > > > > > > > "I'm trying to find the title of an > > > organ piece with winds by Richard Strauss. > > Apparently it's the only > > > organ > > > thing he ever did - 'believe it takes brasses > > (perhaps woodwinds??). It > > > might have the word celebration or commemoration > > in the > > > title." > > > > Is the title something like "Processional Entry"?, > > and was done on an LP by E.Power Biggs for organ and > > brass? If that's the one he's referring to, I > > believe (IIRC) it was an arrangement of an organ > > piece. > > > > But then of course, I could be wrong. > > > > Richard > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > No, I do not believe you are wrong. It was played at > the National Christian Church, Washington, D. C. as > Mrs. Lyndon Johnson entered at the beginning of her > husband's funeral... the whole congregation stood in > respect. > > My music is not at hand from where I am inputting > this... but I believe it is published by C. F. Peters, > New York, N. Y. See if they have a web site... and I > believe you will get a trumpet part with it when you > order it. Yes, the piece is a very thrilling one... > > > Best wishes to all, > > > Morton Belcher > fellow list member... > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Music Source Question From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:46:43 -0500   Attempting to locate a score for a lovely piece titled: "Ave Maria von Arcadelt" by Franz Liszt which I've been told is found in a Kalmus (or other) collection for which I do not have a name.   If anyone can be of assistance, please contact me directly.   This beautiful music has been broadcasting recently on the internet "station" www.LIVE365 - on the program "Adagios for Organ" by musician/organist DAVID LINES of Seattle.   Many thanks, and enjoy!   Dale G. Rider Independence, MO ProOrgo53@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Music Search? From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:02:36 -0500   In a message dated 1/6/2004 2:03:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes:   > I'm always wondering why Biggs would even have played the > thing. > > Gary   Apparently the money was "right."   Dale  
(back) Subject: Re: Music Search? From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:02:29 -0500   In a message dated 1/6/2004 2:03:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes:   > I'm always wondering why Biggs would even have played the > thing. > > Gary   Apparently the money was "right."   Dale  
(back) Subject: RE: Music Search? From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:04:02 -0600   When he booked the date he probably believed the Aeolian-Skinner would be ready in time for the opening of the hall.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of ProOrgo53@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:03 PM To: "PipeChat" Subject: Re: Music Search?   In a message dated 1/6/2004 2:03:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes:   > I'm always wondering why Biggs would even have played the > thing. > > Gary   Apparently the money was "right."   Dale "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Music Source Question From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:52:48 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I'm working off the top of my head here, but this isn't the same as that contained in the Peeters edition, is it?   That's the one with the "Ad Nos" and the B.A.C.H in it.   The music is somewhere around, but I haven't located it yet.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           --- ProOrgo53@aol.com wrote: > Attempting to locate a score for a lovely piece > titled: "Ave Maria von Arcadelt" by Franz Liszt > which I've been told is found in a Kalmus (or other) > collection for which I do not have a name. > > If anyone can be of assistance, please contact me > directly.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus  
(back) Subject: Re: Geneva Organ in Funeral Home From: "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:00:08 -0500   Never be puzzled where money is involved! We had an exact parallel to this. An area funeral director had purchased a closed church for the purpose of demolition and making a parking lot. In the building was a small two manual pipe organ of very dubious origins (we have LOTS of those in Central NY). This individual was prepared to have the organ be destroyed by the wrecking ball rather than give it to a 16 year old organ enthusiast who wanted to rebuild it in his garage. In the end, the windows were gone, there was no power in the building, and the temperature was about -5F. The wrecking crew was two days away from tearing the building down, organ and all, when the young man's parents managed to come up with $1000 the funeral director demanded. The family spent Christmas day removing the organ as quickly as they could...in the very worst of conditions. Had they not sacrified to come up with the money and been able to muster the forces needed to remove the organ, it would have been gone forever. I lack the words (or rather, choose not to use them) to describe my feelings on the matter.   Steve Best in Utica, NY     Charlie Lester wrote:   > I am a little puzzled --- if the people are concerned about the organ > not getting "knocked down" with the building, then why are they trying > to SELL it, instead of just give it away? > > They're not going to make anything on it if it ends up as part of the > rubble, so why not make the work and time involved in removing it > worth someone's while and just give it away? > >      
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(back) Subject: Re: A bad room is no excuse From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:15:03 +0000 (GMT)   I agree that a well voiced instrument can sound good in any surroundings. I am suggesting that a warm room enhances even a well voiced instrument, e.g. compare London's Royal Festival Hall (Harrison and Harrison, e/p 1954) with the Athens Concert Hall (Klais, tracker 1993), both of which are well voiced even if 40 years apart. I can imagine what the RFH might sound like in Athens - I can't really imagine it the other way round. The argument I wanted to avoid was that of tracker or e/p action - not the room they are placed in. To be honest, I don't think Hill, Norman and Beard ever really got "baroque" type voicing right - there is an American style carpeted church in Kensington (Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints?) with a largish 3 manual H,N & B of the 60's, and the Royal College of Organists had another. The former always sounded pretty rough, the latter changed dramatically from an empty room to a full one, as I discovered some years back when I gave the annual Organ Club recital there. Rather offputting as the volume must have shrunk by about half as the resonance disappeared completely. There was also a small 2 manual tracker action "baroque" instrument by J W Walker in the RCO, which was a delight to play, though the Harrison tracker in the RCM was harder work. It still seems to me that the US had more than its fair share of screamers, all following the trend of the day, whereas the UK "baroque revival" installations, such as York University, New College, Oxford, Brompton Oratory and so on, were successful. Obviously some were more successful than others, but there are not that many first rate voicers, and anything other than first rate is shown up to greater disadvantage in a carpeted building.   Richard Burt writes "If you wish to read a contemporary report on the installation of a fine organ in a soft room, ...where the spoken word is paramount, then please read Jack Bethards article on the installation of the Schoenstein organ in the new 21,000-seat meeting hall in Salt Lake City."   But Richard, this is no ordinary building! 21,000 seats! I don't think it's really comparable, even to the Royal Festival Hall, which seats around 2,500 (speaking from memory.)   Bill Raty praises the organ in Christ Church Episcopal in San Antonio, TX. "The Sipe instrument, mechanical key action, electric actuators on slider chest, was ravishing and convincing from Buxtehude thru the Durufle suite in recital. Spine tingling from first to last note. A real treasure." Wonderful! I'd love to hear it one day. So, yes, you can have a good instrument in a dry room, I do not deny this, but warm is better! Incidentally on the length of sermons, they usually go on far too long! 30 to 40 minutes? What does Alan Freed think? 12 minutes is the maximum most people can concentrate for!   John Foss     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : Opera Censorship and the right to silence   ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html  
(back) Subject: Choral music for K-1 From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:32:43 -0500   Hi folks -   I direct a church choir of Kindergarteners and first graders. Much of the choral music that's out there is designed for older kids. Other stuff is for pre-schoolers.   Does anybody know of a good resource I can look into for choral music for K-1?   TIA.   --Shirley    
(back) Subject: Re: A bad room is no excuse From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:38:05 -0500   I was at a recital given by James O'Donnell at the Royal Festival Hall, in October of 2003, and I really do think that the re-build has made the = organ better than I remember it when it was first played in 1954.   The organ at the Church of the Latter Day Saints in Exhibition Road opened when I was still working at Imperial College, almost opposite the Church, and I was fortunate enough to hear it being played very often during my lunch hour. As I recall, that organ was decidedly a bit colder rather = than warm. However, it was a fine organ. I seem to remember that Ralph Downes had a hand in both of them.   I never heard the rebuilt organ at the Royal College of Organists, so I = can make no comments on that. When they moved to St. Andrew's Church, = Holborn, what became of the organ in Kensington Gore?   I wonder how the organ in the Royal Albert Hall will sound when it is re-installed, due to be completed in 2005, I think!   Bob Conway   At 05:15 PM 1/6/2004, John Foss wrote: >I agree that a well voiced instrument can sound good >in any surroundings. I am suggesting that a warm room >enhances even a well voiced instrument, e.g. compare >London's Royal Festival Hall (Harrison and Harrison, >e/p 1954) with the Athens Concert Hall (Klais, tracker >1993), both of which are well voiced even if 40 years >apart. I can imagine what the RFH might sound like in >Athens - I can't really imagine it the other way >round. The argument I wanted to avoid was that of >tracker or e/p action - not the room they are placed >in. To be honest, I don't think Hill, Norman and Beard >ever really got "baroque" type voicing right - there >is an American style carpeted church in Kensington >(Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints?) with a >largish 3 manual H,N & B of the 60's, and the Royal >College of Organists had another.      
(back) Subject: Re: Bach from the dead? Let's get a Handel on this..... From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:21:16 EST   Colin Mitchell wrote: >I think Bach would be aghast at >Impressionism and contemporary organ music were he to >come "Bach from the dead."     Why do you think that? Bach was a contemporary in his day. He was at the forefront, often going against what was the expected "norm". Why did he = do it. Because he could. I wish more people had the gumption to stand up and do the same. Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: Re: Choral music for K-1 From: "jfc" <mailman_63127@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:12:55 -0800 (PST)   Hello- You didn't mention what denomination, but the Oregon catholic Press (OCP) has quite a bit of stuff geared towards children of various ages. You may wish to give them a try.   JC   Shirley <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> wrote: Hi folks -   I direct a church choir of Kindergarteners and first graders. Much of the choral music that's out there is designed for older kids. Other stuff is for pre-schoolers.   Does anybody know of a good resource I can look into for choral music for K-1?   TIA.   --Shirley   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       "The love of great music is a joy that never fades"   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes  
(back) Subject: RE: Bach from the dead? Let's get a Handel on this..... From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:09:09 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   What a *fascinating* thread!!   Bach was a child of his time... ....But his sons called him "The old wig".   Bach was a child of his time... ....But people complained about his "ununderstandable music" (His = "Romantic bold harmonies" that inspired Mr. Fox to his, ehem, revolutionary remark); his "endless, boring organ playing" (His preludes and fugues and soooo long choral preludes)... *Exactly* the same complaints I still hear of Max Reger's and Marcel = Dupre's organ works, and not from average people but contemporary professional concert organists!!   Oh yes, Bach was rooted into outdated barroque (so much for the "old wig") but very ahead of his time (so much for the "ununderstandable boring music / Romantic composer). Bach was the Reger of the 19th cty! Recently we performed a chorale of his Christmas Oratorio; at the last part there is a harmonic progression which remembers me Brahms. I commented this plus Vergil Fox' remarks to the choir... they wondered = first; then agreed. Last Sunday I played the e minor Prel & Fugue BWV 533 and people (german lutherans!) asked me: "from who the heck was this music- don't = tell me it was *Bach*?!!"- oh yes, folks, sure it was; nevertheless it sounded like a strange but very modern Buxtehude :)   Usually I agree with Colin's remarks. If, if if... but it's interesting to speculate (privatedly) what would do old Johann Sebastian = in our present days with all these awesome Walckers, Sauers, Willis, Aeolian Skinners, Oberlingers, Kleukers, Austins, Mollers, Nichols & Simpsons (to name a few)... with the present culture baggage from Mozart & Beethoven = thru Mahler & Debussy thru Reger & Vierne thru Dupre, Gershwin & Messiaen (to name a few)... would be interesting. But after all speculative...   We all are artists, therefore imaginative people. Let's free our imagination without fear about "what people will think from us"!   Salute, friends Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.   [You may skip following]   ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:47 PM Subject: Bach from the dead? Let's get a Handel on this.....     > Hello, > > If Bach were alive to-day........ > > Bach was a child of his time, and I see no point in > speculating what he would do were he alive today. > > Indeed, working our time machine, what would the > audiences and congregations of the 18th century have > made of Virgil Fox? > > We don't have a modern equivalent to Bach I suppose, > but it isn't that long since we had Reger and Dupre; > two composers who certainly put the organ through its > paces. I cannot imagine that Bach EVER had a technique > to match that of Dupre!! > > 18th century German music was all about "linear > writing".....I think Bach would be aghast at > Impressionism and contemporary organ music were he to > come "Bach from the dead." > SNIP ETC    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach from the dead? Let's get a Handel on this..... From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:27:51 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Poor old Bach was considered "old hat" in his twilight years....hence "The art of Fugue".   He was the right man, at the right time, in the right place.....he summed up an epoch.   Quite how a linear thinker could cope with to-day, I cannot imagine, but I feel sure that he would make music somehow.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- RMB10@aol.com wrote:   > Why do you think that? Bach was a contemporary in > his day. He was at the > forefront   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus  
(back) Subject: Beethoven ... ? From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:42:41 -0000   'Beethoven .......' Now there's a word that seldom springs to organists = lips .......   But I 'dipped-in' to a BBC broadcast this lunchtime - of two opera = directors discussing Ludvig v.   Quite interesting to hear their precis of Fidelio, interspersed with the Overture.   It made commuting between Funerals (never a particularly pleasant experience) quite stimulating for once.   I know that he wrote some idiosyncratic pieces (which are seldom = performed) for odd and peculiar combinations, so, enlighten me, gentle readers, about his organ output (if amy ?).   Harry [|musician] Grove    
(back) Subject: Re: The Eight Little From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:15:21 -0700       bobelms wrote: > > I support your remarks 100% Andres. It's a tall poppy syndrome - cut > down the biggest. Bach is the biggest!     Sorry, but I don't subscribe to the "tall poppy" idea. There have been many examples of works attributed intentionally or accidentally to = composers who did not write them. To identify these is in no way cutting that person down but, rather, may in many cases be doing them a favor.   If I were a known composer and someone attributed a work to me that I did not compose and was not up to my usual standard (or even better than my usual work) I would consider it a favor for that erroneous attribution to become = known.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College