PipeChat Digest #4208 - Thursday, January 8, 2004
 
RE: Epiphany Service - Trinity, Wall Street
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Carpeting etc.
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
RE: Epiphany Service - Trinity, Wall Street
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
RE: Epiphany Service - Trinity, Wall Street
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
michael praetorius
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: 8 short etc. and BWV 550
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: michael praetorius
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Carpeting etc.
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Carpeting etc.
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: 8 short etc.
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Contacts in Boston
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Carpeting etc.
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Dennis James - Castro Theatre - San Francisco - Monday
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: the Faith in Britain
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: extreme examples from the 60's and 70's
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Epiphany Service - Trinity, Wall Street From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:41:43 -0600   Dare I say the organ sounds ---------ic?   =20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of OrganNYC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:07 PM To: PIPORG-L@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU; pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Epiphany Service - Trinity, Wall Street   =20   I had the pleasure of attending the Epiphany Service last night at Trinity Church, Wall Street. The featured eucharistic setting was the anonymous "Mass of Tournai" ("the earliest known example in which all five movements of the ordinary were put together under one title") as accompanied by a Renaissance Band (shawm, sackbut, etc.). The choir also sang Handl's "Omnes de Saba venient" at the Offertory, and Palestrina's "Videntes stellam Magi gavisi sunt" at Communion (for double choir). I especially enjoyed Owen Burdick's wild accompaniment a la Belgian Street Organ for "We Three Kings" (Sequence Hymn at about 20 minutes into the video). Sean Jackson, Associate Organist, played an unfamiliar (to me) miscellaneous Bach piece for the postlude. =20   The video can be viewed at www.trinitywallstreet.org by clicking on "Feast of the Epiphany" and then selecting Full Service.   Enjoy!   Steve Lawson - NYC      
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting etc. From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:07:30 -0500   Hi John and List,   You have spoken of this instrument before, and it sounds perhaps a bit = like the small Aeolian-Skinner Mark Dwyer played so brilliantly at the Boston = OHS Convention a few years ago.   NOW, about your church Website! I looked at it eagerly last time you gave the URL, hoping to see a picture of the Organ, Perhaps a stoplist, perhaps = a mention of the Organist, possibly something about the choir - the things = one does tend to find on church Websites when the music program is important = in the life of the church! I clicked anything that looked like a possible = link, but got nowhere, but I am aware that I might well have somehow missed the right move. There is a very tiny little "slide show" that shows one = picture with a few people, mostly children, at what might be an Organ console, or might be a piano. We only see a bit of a music rack.   Cheerz,   Malcolm - not really meaning to be so bitchy, but exhausted after several very tough days in a row, showing English Organists around instruments of ours in the Northeast, and that, right on top of Christmas, Epiphany = Lessons & Carols (with Boar's Head Feast), and of course the last Sunday morning!   ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Carpeting etc.     > > > John Speller, > > > St. Mark's Church (Episcopal), > > > St. Louis, Missouri. > > > www.saintmarks-stl.org > > Unfortunately it needs quite a bit of work at present, so is not in top > condition. It was, however, when built in 1938-9 one of G. Donald > Harrison's finest small instruments, and although only 9 ranks sounds = like > around 50. Aeolian-Skinner Op. 979. The stop list is: > > GREAT 61 > > 8' Principal (metal) > 8' Spitz Flute (metal) > 4' Nachthorn (metal) > > SWELL 61 (enclosed) > > 8' Bourdon (stopped wood & metal) > 4' Prestant > III Rks. Mixture (22-26-29) > Tremolo > > PEDAL 32 > > 16' Bourdon (stopped wood) > 8' Flute (ext.) > > The plenum is superb, literally sounding like a 50 rank organ, and the > individual stops are very attractive. The drawbacks are: (1) Most of = the > beef is on the Swell, so it is very difficult to obtain echo effects; = (2) > There are no solo stops; (3) There are no strings; (4) There are no = reeds; > (5) There are no pistons. > > John Speller >      
(back) Subject: RE: Epiphany Service - Trinity, Wall Street From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:08:20 -0500   At 03:41 PM 1/7/2004, Peter Storand wrote; >Dare I say the organ sounds ---------ic?   Well! The video is decidedly NOT Hi-Fi, and I would not want to make any comment upon the sound of the organ from it!   It seems to me that no matter what, there will always be folks who will = not give electronic organs any credit, no matter whatever the circumstances.   For my part, I would not make any judgement until I have actually heard = the organ in the church, or at the very least, a good CD recording of it .   However many thanks to Steve Lawson for letting us know of the video.   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: RE: Epiphany Service - Trinity, Wall Street From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:12:29 -0600   A former member of the Trinity choir now living here visited the church last week and reports that the organ sounds worse in the flesh than on this video recording. =20   =20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Bob Conway Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:08 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Epiphany Service - Trinity, Wall Street   =20   At 03:41 PM 1/7/2004, Peter Storand wrote;       Dare I say the organ sounds ---------ic?     Well! The video is decidedly NOT Hi-Fi, and I would not want to make any comment upon the sound of the organ from it!   It seems to me that no matter what, there will always be folks who will not give electronic organs any credit, no matter whatever the circumstances.   For my part, I would not make any judgement until I have actually heard the organ in the church, or at the very least, a good CD recording of it ..   However many thanks to Steve Lawson for letting us know of the video.   Bob Conway        
(back) Subject: michael praetorius From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:45:50 EST   Does anyone know of an MP3 of Praetorius' Ein Feste Burg? thanks, gfc           Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: 8 short etc. and BWV 550 From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:18:09 -0600   I can tolerate BWV 554 and 555 of the 8 Little, and that's enough of them for me. On the other hand, I'm sorry that Mr. Shaw doesn't like BWV 550. = To me, it is a most vigorous, delightful early work, perhaps written when = Bach was 24 years old or even younger. Does current scholarship agree with = that? The wonderful romp up and down manuals and pedals just before the final cadence is breathtaking. Kudos to whoever wrote it, and my vote would be Bach. I'll take this any day over the "pointless" rattling around in the fugue of BWV 532. (I loved it [the D Major] when I was 17 and didn't feel I'd really "learned" it until I could play the fugue faster than Virgil = Fox did on his RCA LP; but then I gave up childish things.)   Now this is merely conversational. I'm not trying to start a fight.:-) Bob Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: 8 short etc.     > One work that has always upset me is the G Major Prelude and Fugue BWV 550. It just feels so very WRONG under the fingers and the fugue seems = kind of pointless. Is there any question as to its authenticity? > > J. W. Bruce Shaw      
(back) Subject: Re: michael praetorius From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:33:28 -0600   I don't know of an MP3, but I had played the version in 80 Chorale = Preludes published by Peters many times long ago (3 pp. long?) and then = recently discovered what must be the entire work of 10 pp. in the = Edition Breitkopf 8556 complete works. Quite a revelation to find that I = had been playing less than one third of the whole thing! Do I dare admit = that I still like the shorter version? I wonder if the editor of that = volume was responsible for making the cuts. Good job. Bob Lind=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gfc234@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: michael praetorius     Does anyone know of an MP3 of Praetorius' Ein Feste Burg? thanks,=20 gfc    
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting etc. From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:24:48 -0600   Hello, Bud: > I cannot for the LIFE of me understand why ANYONE > would put carpet in a worship space TODAY, with > all the other alternatives available. As many > have pointed out, the FILTH they collect is a > nightmare, particularly for the hyper-allergenic. > Another thing: a shampooed carpet never really > dries, breeding even MORE mold and mildew. You need to check out the various ways the carpet industry has devised selling "advantages" for using carpet. The bottom line is, they argue, the cost of maintenance is less than floor mopping and polishing, it takes less skill to vacuum than to mop (all Navy swabbies can attest to the truth in that), and it looks better than hard-finished floors. That's what they say when presenting their case to the church committees who decide on these things. I know of one Presbyterian Church in Houston that received a fine Aeolian-Skinner organ just after the building was completed. On the first Sunday after tonal finishing was complete, one of the major donors (wealthy lady) attended (winter time). Her feet got cold. She wrote a blank check and gave it to the pastor with the admonition to "cover the floor with carpet so my feet don't cold next Sunday." That was the end of the beautiful organ that WAS, and the nightmare of those who endured that dead acoustic ever-after. The organ was a fine organ BEFORE, but the dead room left it unfulfilled. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting etc. From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:36:55 EST   Dear Richard Burt:   How does one's tootsies get cold if one wears shoes and socks or nylons and how does carpet help the problem? It makes a good case for a rented pew. Just carpet that one spot and the organ is saved.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: 8 short etc. From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:25:58 -0500   > One work that has always upset me is the G Major Prelude and Fugue BWV = 550. > It just feels so very WRONG under the fingers and the fugue seems kind = of > pointless. Is there any question as to its authenticity? > I truly enjoy the work and even played it on one of my doctoral = recitals at Eastman. Apparently Mr. Craighead had no problem about the piece -- or at least not enough to have refrained from proposing to teach it to me.   I think it wants to go at a very brisk clip, like one happy, happy = romp -- !!! --- at which point it becomes VERY HARD!! It's a high-energy = prelude and fugue, much as is the more famous D-Major by Bach, and it will survive even the dullest organ because of its inherent energy.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Contacts in Boston From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:09:09 -0500   Hi all,   I will travelling to Boston for the MLK weekend, January 16-18, staying at = the Park Plaza Hotel near Copley Square. I would like to arrange for some practice time during the weekend whenever would be convenient in the area. = Are there any contacts for the area on this list? If so, please get in = touch with me off line and let me know where I might be welcome.   Cheers, Tommy Lee Whitlock    
(back) Subject: Re: Carpeting etc. From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:59:25 -0600   Ron Severin wrote:   > Dear Richard Burt: > How does one's tootsies get cold if one wears shoes and socks > or nylons and how does carpet help the problem? It makes a good case > for a rented pew. Just carpet that one spot and the organ is saved.   Seems to me that for the money, they could have put hydronic heat underneath the floor. Then it wouldn't have mattered WHAT the floor covering was.   Failing that, they could have bought the old gal an electric space heater for her rented pew!   Hers was the wrong answer for the right problem, I'd say.   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS  
(back) Subject: Dennis James - Castro Theatre - San Francisco - Monday From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 01:06:22 EST   DENNIS JAMES - SAN FRANCISCO - CASTRO THEATRE - Monday 1/12/03   The BERLIN & BEYOND annual film festival, presented by the Goethe-Institut,=20 is happy to welcome you for the 9th time to the wonderful Castro Theatre in=20= San=20 Francisco for this year's silent film on Monday evening, January 12, 2004   THE LAST LAUGH (DER LETZTE MANN) 7 pm, $10   The classic silent film about an aged porter in a grand hotel who is demoted= =20 to restroom attendant, but finds redemption from an unlikely source. Comple= te=20 German-release version archival restored print.   With Emil Jannings. Directed by F.W. Murnau. Germany (1924) 77minutes Musical accompaniment on the Mighty Wurlitzer by Dennis James, performing hi= s=20 original score commissioned for this screening.   Advance tickets are available =B7 On the web at ticketweb.com =B7 At Caf=E9 de la Presse, 352 Grant Avenue@Bush And on the day of the screening =B7 At the Castro =B7 At the Point Arena Theatre=20 Castro Theatre=20 At Castro & Market Info: (415) 621-6120 Public transportation: Muni lines 8, 24, 33, 37 Streetcars K, L, M=20   Listing sent from: Silent Film Concerts 7095 Hollywood Boulevard, #483 Hollywood, CA 90028-8903 USA Phone: 323-883-1514 E-mail: muscur@aol.com   To be removed from this mailing list, please respond with request to=20 muscur@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: the Faith in Britain From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 04:07:16 -0500   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part
(back) Subject: Re: extreme examples from the 60's and 70's From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 04:40:39 -0500   Colin, I have developed bronchitis due to laughing way to much at your humor (at=20 least I think it's humor--maybe you're dead serious?) and a sudden cold=20 spell here in Ohio (the perceived temp [we call it "wind chill"] has dipped= =20 to somewhere below 0=B0 Fahrenheit. You DO remember Fahrenheit, don't you?= =20 He's the fellow who put ice and salt together and came up with nothing!)=20 Thank you for the wonderful burlesque.   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA   >I suspect that the greatest miracle of all, was not >the Resurrection, but the fact that Christianity has >survived in England......a land of free-thinking >eccentrics if ever there was one! > >I confess.......(rare).......that I listened to a >sermon last week, because the priest was talking about >the origins of the Universe and God's hand in it all. >For once, I wasn't offended, for he took the agnostic >stance for fear of limiting the infinity of creation >to his own finite understanding. > >Afterwards, I approached him, told him a couple of >jokes about cosmology and then said, "I think we have >to examine our consciences, and decide if the will of >God is best served by the study of sub-atomic >particles." > >It reminds me of the delightful oversight uttered by >the Methodist Minister, who said in his summing >up,"Are we going to be awake and ready, like the wise >virgins, or are we going to sleep with the unwise >virgins!" > >Regards, > >Colin Mitchell UK