PipeChat Digest #4218 - Wednesday, January 14, 2004 Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post) by <ScottFop@aol.com> RE: Funeral and singing by "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Singing and funerals by "Glenda" <email@example.com> Re: Singing and funerals by "Alan Freed" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Hopeful Heart Concerts - 2004 by "Robert Ridgeway" <email@example.com> Funerals--location and singing by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: What is your favorite organ-related website? - reply by <RMaryman@aol.com> Re: What is your favorite organ-related website? - reply by <email@example.com> Re: Funerals--location and singing by <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Singing and funerals by "Glenda" <email@example.com> IRC by <firstname.lastname@example.org> Organ Departments by <Oboe32@aol.com> Re: Congregational Singing at Funerals by <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Re: Organ Departments by <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Re: What is your favorite organ-related website? by "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:36:48 EST Does anyone have a DIRECT link to the publisher or the hymnal itself? I tried Google, as well as some other search engines and only came up with = posts about the OLD Westminster Hymnal. Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.
(back) Subject: RE: Funeral and singing From: "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:01:26 -0600 Actually, my reply was that in the "deep" South, i.e., Alabama, south Georgia, Northern Florida, most of the "Protestant" denominations (and I have been to many funerals in many different denominations represented down here) do not have congregational singing at funerals. I have been to Episcopal and Roman Catholic funerals where hymns were sung. I am assuming that the Lutherans around here sing hymns at church funerals, but there just aren't that many Lutherans within a 75-mile radius - you have to drive to Pensacola to find a substantial group of them. I've never heard hymns sung by the audience at a funeral home service here (again, the above-designated region). I personally prefer the Episcopal service, with three hymns, and congregational participation. I've always been of the school of thought that a funeral in church was a worship service. I once respectfully declined (citing legitimate work obligations) to play a funeral where the family wanted Sinatra's "My Way" played. I heard about the funeral afterward. The mother of the deceased weeped and wailed and screamed to God why did he take her son, and the family toasted and drank champagne at the casket at graveside. Glenda Sutton email@example.com -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Alan Freed No, I don't think that "singing in church" or "funerals in church" is a "Southern" thing; it was the same in Norwegian North Dakota in the 1960s--and , I hope, still IS. And a lot of posts from all over Middle America in the past 24 hours seem to suggest the same, and more up-to-date than what I've posted
(back) Subject: Singing and funerals From: "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:06:48 -0600 Sorry, that last one went out HTML - Alan's fault. I just hit reply, and didn't modify to "plain text". Sorry, but people are currently standing in line to beat me up - wait your turn. Glenda Sutton email@example.com
(back) Subject: Re: Singing and funerals From: "Alan Freed" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:19:12 -0500 On 1/13/04 8:06 PM, "Glenda" <email@example.com> wrote: > Sorry, that last one went out HTML - Alan's fault. Hey, wait-wait-wait! Am I sending out my stuff the wrong way? Please = tell me! I certainly don't want to do THAT. I'm dumb. Please instruct! I'm on an iMac. Using MSEntourage and earthlink, I think. If I'm = screwing it up, PLEASE let me know! Alan
(back) Subject: Hopeful Heart Concerts - 2004 From: "Robert Ridgeway" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:46:58 -0600 Please mark your calendars now for this years Concert for Life hosted by the Hopeful Heart charity. Like the previous 11 years, it is being held = at the Sanfilippo estate in Barrington Hills, IL and will be performed on the = 5/80 Wurlitzer theatre pipe organ featuring Lyn Larsen and a series of surprise special guests. This year it is being held on Saturday June 26th and again on Sunday June 27th. This is one week prior to the American Theatre organ Society (ATOS) National Convention being hosted in Milwaukee, WI. The Hopeful Heart website is: http://www.hopefulheart.net/ Note, however, that dates on the site have not been updated and reflect the 2003 = program. This is always a highly anticipated and attended event in the pipe organ world and I hope to see many of you in June. Sincerely, Robert Ridgeway, Curator Sanfilippo Collection Barrington Hills, IL
(back) Subject: Funerals--location and singing From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:05:04 -0600 Sorry, Alan, I have no plan to "put my foot down," and insist on funerals = at the church. You Lutheran clergy have more clout (and a different = tradition) about things like that anyway. I gently encourage at appropriate times the practice of church funerals = (and I like congregational hymns when we do), but I would never intrude on a family's grief and push my position; if asked at that time, I would encourage, not require. It is not customary in places I've worked for clergy to go with family to meet with the funeral director. The local funeral director knows how I feel--and he prefers church funerals, too (though they are more work for him--and in my experience, church funerals = DO cost more, and rightfully so). And, frankly, I've gained more than one church family because a hardliner clergyman put his/her foot down, and instead of being appreciated was seen as an insensitive clod. My last couple of ministries have been in communities with a strong tradition of open casket funerals which I absolutely loathe and detest, = but that's the family's decision, not mine. Just to throw another monkey = wrench in for discussion! Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats
(back) Subject: Re: What is your favorite organ-related website? - reply From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:18:36 EST Darryl - I think you might find it interesting, along with your readers, to = highlight the various denominational music and worship web resources. The Unted Methodist (General Board of Discipleship) has a section for Methodist = Church organists and choir directors and worship leaders et al. (MethodistMusicians) where they regularly post articles relating to music and worship, and they also = have a constantly updated 'help wanted' feature highlighting job openings all = over the US, and some other useful features. Rick inVA
(back) Subject: Re: What is your favorite organ-related website? - reply From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:29:21 -0500 Darryl et al, Just recently a new website was mentioned to us, musical-arts.net It would be difficult to find a better one, it has everything a church=20 musician could wish for. It also has what's mentioned below, plus all the other denominations, plu= s ++ Gary Quoting RMaryman@aol.com: > Darryl -=20 >=20 > I think you might find it interesting, along with your readers, to high= light >=20 > the various denominational music and worship web resources. The Unted=20 > Methodist (General Board of Discipleship) has a section for Methodist C= hurch > organists=20 > and choir directors and worship leaders et al. (MethodistMusicians) whe= re=20 > they regularly post articles relating to music and worship, and they al= so > have a=20 > constantly updated 'help wanted' feature highlighting job openings all = over=20 > the US, and some other useful features. >=20 > Rick inVA >=20
(back) Subject: Re: Funerals--location and singing From: <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:42:26 -0800 Funeral home funerals are STRICTLY forbidden in the anglo-catholic tradition. The body is taken to church, preferably the night before, so that the Office of the Dead and the wake may take place before the Blessed Sacrament. In older parishes, the women often cook for the wake. Requiem Mass and Absolutions are sung exactly as the Sunday Mass is sung, with those variations peculiar to the Requiem Mass. The choir is normally present; the congregation sings hymns and the Ordinary of the Mass, unless the choir sings a polyphonic setting, which in most places would be the Vittoria or the Casciolini or the Faure. In country parishes, the choir still goes to the cemetery to sing the Committal Service. If cremation is done, it is MUCH preferred that Mass and Absolutions be sung FIRST over the INTACT body; THEN it is removed to the crematorium, and the Graveside Committal Service takes place a day or two later. If this is NOT the case, and the body is cremated BEFORE Requiem and Absolutions are sung, everything is still carried out as above. The body is regarded as being "morally present", much as when a person is lost at sea (or in space, these days). The catafalque (the platform for the coffin) is set up; the urn is placed under the pall on top of it, and everything is done as usual. In the case of a person lost at sea or in space, the Absolutions are sung over the empty catafalque, which is covered by the pall as usual. The Committal is sung in church, changing "we commit his/her body to the earth" to "we commit his/her body to the deep" or "the depths of space." Bud
(back) Subject: RE: Singing and funerals From: "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:52:28 -0600 Lately people are sending HTML fonts and colors again instead of plain text, and I sometimes forget to check the box before hitting "send". Because I'm not playing organ daily, I'm more feeble-minded, and it's harder to do more than one thing at a time. Glenda Sutton email@example.com -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Alan Freed On 1/13/04 8:06 PM, "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > Sorry, that last one went out HTML - Alan's fault. Hey, wait-wait-wait! Am I sending out my stuff the wrong way? Please tell me! I certainly don't want to do THAT. I'm dumb. Please instruct! I'm on an iMac. Using MSEntourage and earthlink, I think. If I'm screwing it up, PLEASE let me know!
(back) Subject: IRC From: <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:13:41 -0800 I'm on. Bud
(back) Subject: Organ Departments From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:17:57 EST Hey All, I am officially matriculated as a graduate major in Organ Performance at Rowan University. Now... I'm sure many of you have not = heard of Rowan, but it is a small school in Southern New Jersey, used to be = Glassboro State. There is a III/53 Wicks in the concert hall and some small local instruments... BUT they have an organ and its not so bad! The organ = professor is Dennis Elwell... he was the chair of the Philly Ago Convention. Prof. Elwell is = quite the competent teacher. He teaches at the pre-college division for Temple, = as well as maintaining a large private studio and church program at Overbrook = Presbyterian in Philly. Rowan once had two organ teachers, Prof. Elwell = and the late Keith Chapman. There are currently four schools in New Jersey where = you can major in Organ, Westminster, Rowan, Montclair, and Rutgers. Although the = organ field seems to be shrinking, there are majors out there. I'll be pursuing = an MM with a great teacher in a program that allows me to maintain my church = job, practice, and be fully matriculated for two years, while only paying = in-state fees, all of which I am paying!! At any rate, the moral is... there are lots of fine programs out there. Some teachers do not have names, but they have the abilities. = Teachers that tour get names, but some prefer the quieter church work. In looking for a = grad school, even an undergrad, I had to look around. Names are good, but there = are many alternatives! Best, Pete Isherwood
(back) Subject: Re: Congregational Singing at Funerals From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:33:30 EST RVS, I think it's great that you have a Bereavement Choir. It certainly helps = lead singing, I'm sure, and it brings some equity to funerals in that when a regular choir member dies, probably the whole choir shows up, but = otherwise who would show up to sing for the funeral of someone who isn't a choir member? = It's a great idea, especially for larger parishes with many people looking for a volunteer ministry. I've never had such a Bereavement Choir myself, but = have had choir members who were free during the day volunteer to sing for funerals. You wrote that you restrict guest solo work because you have "this = faithful, volunteer choir". You also seem to provide a list from which to choose = hymns. While I do think it is necessary to put SOME limits on guest soloists--especially in ad hoc affairs like funerals--I would be careful = in articulating the "why". Funerals are not about the volunteer choir and their = feelings--they're about the deceased and especially his or her family and friends as well as = the larger community. I might be offended if, as a competent singer and = relative of the deceased who showed up with a couple of good solos that were not = overly demanding for the organist to play, I was told that I could only sing = thus and so at say, my mother's funeral, because it's important not to hurt the volunteer choir's feelings. I would MUCH rather be told that "one solo is = the Church's policy" EVEN if it's only part of the truth. I assume you take = this approach. Also, it has always been my policy to accomodate the family's = hymn requests--especially if they're in the hymnal, and even if you don't know = them. I once played "Saved, Saved, Saved" at a Christian Church as the coffin was = rolled down the aisle! I half expected the minister to yell "all skate!".If = that's what they want, great. I'd be careful to present a list of hymns only as suggestions, which are welcome by most families I have found. Lots of = restrictions are generally less well received in my experience. I would certainly be irritated if I didn't have resonable input into my own funeral or that of = a loved one for the reasons you stated. Funerals may not be the place or time for = being overly dogmatic about liturgical theory. Just some thoughts. Good luck with the "Dead Choir"! It's a great ministry. Bill H.
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Departments From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:18:15 EST What a valuable and true message our friend Pete Isherwood has shared with = us. When I found Wittenberg University (Springfield, Ohio) in 1970 in a Church = Music Journal "ad" and began investigate about graduate study with the = well known Dutch-German (composer), our dear Professor Jan Bender, little did I = know that I would soon discover a wonderful and gifted church musician / organ professor (head of the Graduate Division of Church Music) in Dr. Frederick = Jackisch (retired); or Aurora Smith, my warm, loving, and gifted vocal coach, wife = of Dr. Orcenith Smith, head of theVoice Dept, who had had the joy of being = the first female student assistant to Dr. Clarence Dickinson at Union = Theological Seminary in her own "school" days; or the Fulbright scholar, church and = concert organist/harpsichordist who is now Chair of the School of Music, my mentor = and friend Trudy Faber. Little do we know. Dale G. Rider Independence, MO, USA
(back) Subject: Re: What is your favorite organ-related website? From: "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:32:25 -0800 (PST) Hello, Almost certainly "Het Orgel"...the Dutch organ web site, which is extremely comprehensive and multi-lingual. It covers instruments and organ builders from almost every country on the globe, plus other interesting links to related sites. Each month they precise a learned article. Highly recommended! Regards, Colin Mitchell UK --- DarrylbytheSea@aol.com wrote: > My need is for you to tell me (and the Nashville > membership) what are the sites you find of use as a > professional or amateur organist. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus