PipeChat Digest #4220 - Wednesday, January 14, 2004
 
RE: Small new organ in the works...
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
a challenge
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Wittenberg University chapel organ
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: In search of a one-time New York organist
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Small new organ in the works...
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post)
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Apologies
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Re: a challenge
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Re: Wittenberg University chapel organ
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
an organ for an orchestra hall
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Re: an organ for an orchestra hall
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Re: an organ for an orchestra hall
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: an organ for an orchestra hall
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Re: an organ for an orchestra hall
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Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post)
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
politics
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Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post)
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net>
Re: an organ for an orchestra hall
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(back) Subject: RE: Small new organ in the works... From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:21:49 -0600   I meant to say "wonderful news" before sending out that hasty reply....   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Storandt, Peter Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:05 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Small new organ in the works...       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:06 PM To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu; pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Small new organ in the works...   Dear Listers: I am pleased to announce that my firm has been chosen from among three=20 invited bidders to create a small "orgue d'accompagnement" of eleven ranks for=20 the rear choir gallery of Our Lady of Loretto Church in Cold Spring, New York. =20  
(back) Subject: a challenge From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:29:51 -0600   Dear List:   Thanks to Mike for this update. Reading the article brings to mind a challenge I conceived during the intermission of last Saturday evening's Oklahoma City Philharmonic concert in our fabulous "new" concert space built within the original Art-Deco-era municipal music hall shell. Perhaps some of you would like to ponder the matter as well.   Our new room is presently organ-less, though its predecessor space (much larger, and used for many purposes) had a good-sized Kimball. (The Kimball is to be reassembled in our state's new history museum now nearing completion.) The orchestra will be performing the Saint-Saens Third Symphony in May, with a guess-what brought in for the occasion.   My challenge: what type of instrument would suit our new hall should one be added in the future? A dedicated, full-sized pipe instrument is probably out of the question for cost and space reasons. But what about something along the lines of the Tanglewood Shed and Metropolitan Opera House Aeolian-Skinners? Could there be such an organ built here that would satisfy the needs of the orchestra and the choral groups who perform regularly? Should it be a combination organ, similar to others now appearing on the scene, with some of the stop families arising from silicon origins? I would be most interested in seeing what list members might suggest for a limited-purpose house instrument.   For your reference, here is a look at the room: http://www.okcciviccenter.org/home.asp   What say you? I guess I should say, don't enter this "contest" for purposes of doing a variation on pipes vs. electronics.   Thanks,   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Mike Franch Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:12 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Overture Hall, Madison WI.   Here's an article on the progress of Overture Hall's organ in this=20 afternoon's Capital Times.   http://www.madison.com/captimes/features/stories/65184.php   Mike Franch Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up - fast & reliable Internet access with prime=20 features! = http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=3Den-us&page=3Ddialup/home&ST=3D1   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Wittenberg University chapel organ From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:50:16 -0500   The organ, which dates to the building of Weaver Chapel at Wittenberg University in 1954, is a Reuter. The spacious chapel is glorious in its acoustics for the playing of music, especially organ music. The ability to =   hear (or listen) to speech has always been a problem. The interior is concrete, brick, plaster, oak pews (uncovered), and (I think) ugly green marbleized linoleum tile on the floor. The tile is ugly, but the sound is ever so sweet. I attended an early function in 1954 and I still have the program from the dedicatory recital for the organ (I'd have to spend days to find it). (There is a photo and some information on the organ in a book =   about organsI am not sure about the author, but the name "Barnes" or "Barns" keeps coming to mind. It will take me another week to find that one.) I'll go the the basement as soon as I return from choir practice.)   The organ (probably electro pneumatic) is in the apse behind the original massive marble altar on the north end of the building. The location was unfortunate as the environmental situation almost deep sixed the organ years ago. Since then, it has been "fixed" according to what I have heard. =   I would class the organ as mid-twentieth century eclectic. My only direct playing experience with it was during my six weeks of formal organ lessons =   with the same Dr. Fred Jackisch mentioned by Dale below. The organ console =   is now on a movable platform in the chancel. The original placement was on =   the Epistle side and that is still its normal resting place, but it used = to be fixed in that position. I will attempt to find the specs and more information on the building. The instrument really wanted to be in the gallery. Instead it's up front behind a grille cloth. At least the old cloth has been replaced with a newer and more trans-sonic material. No = pipe work is exposed to view. (Don't forget we are wild and wooly once you go west of the mountains.) I love to sing with the organ in the chapel. We have had many hymn festivals there and the sound is truly glorious. SDG!   Dale wrote about the School of Music at Wittenberg. Alas, it is no more. = It is now a department. An over zealous president of the university tried to kill it (the School of Music). It just did the incredible shrinking act = and is now only a shell of its former self. Mrs. Faber, Dr. Donald Busarow (he =   played and directed an Advent Lessons and Carols at Christ Church as a = kick off event in the rededication of our newly refurbished 1917, six-division Skinner Box), and Dr. Christopher Durenberger (DoM at Christ Episcopal--my =   parish) are a few in the department presently.   As one graduated from Wittenberg University (BS in Ed, 1967), I invite anyone to visit the chapel and investigate the organ therein. Ross C. "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA     Andrew and Dale wrote:   >I've been to Springfield Oh several times and seen the chapel from the >outside always wondering what they had inside for an organ. Please tell. > >thanks, > >A. Mead > >Port Hope, ON Canada > > -----Original Message----- >From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of >ProOrgo53@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:18 PM >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Organ Departments > > What a valuable and true message our friend Pete Isherwood has shared > with us. > >When I found Wittenberg University (Springfield, Ohio) in 1970 in a = Church >Music Journal "ad" and began investigate about graduate study with the >well known Dutch-German (composer), our dear Professor Jan Bender, little =   >did I know that I would soon discover a wonderful and gifted church >musician / organ professor (head of the Graduate Division of Church = Music) >in Dr. Frederick Jackisch (retired); or Aurora Smith, my warm, loving, = and >gifted vocal coach, wife of Dr. Orcenith Smith, head of theVoice Dept, = who >had had the joy of being the first female student assistant to Dr. >Clarence Dickinson at Union Theological Seminary in her own "school" = days; >or the Fulbright scholar, church and concert organist/harpsichordist who >is now Chair of the School of Music, my mentor and friend Trudy >Faber. Little do we know. > > Dale G. Rider > >Independence, MO, USA    
(back) Subject: Re: In search of a one-time New York organist From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:52:57 -0500   On 1/14/04 4:12 PM, "Tom Jones" <tomj@netpath.net> wrote:   > Does any of this ring any bells?   No, but stay in touch. Come to NYC (but not yet). Visit Room 315 at the Ne= w York Public Library 42nd and Fifth). It=B9s all there; all you gotta do is find it. Also (given your ethnicity) I think a visit to the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society (may cost your $20 or so) is in order= .. East 58th St., between Park and Lexington Aves. Very possibly also Brookly= n Historical Society.   BEFRE that, do everything you can on your local scene; your time HERE costs you a lot of money, so do as much as possible where you ARE, which costs a lot less. =20   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Small new organ in the works... From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:56:49 -0600   Congratulations Seb!   ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu>; <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: Small new organ in the works...     > Dear Listers: > I am pleased to announce that my firm has been chosen from among = three > invited bidders to create a small "orgue d'accompagnement" of eleven = ranks for > the rear choir gallery of Our Lady of Loretto Church in Cold Spring, New York. > The organ will be freestanding in a painted gothic case, with the > burnished basses of the 8' Open Diapason in the facade. The = specification will be as > follows: > > GREAT - Manual I > 8' Open Diapason (56 pipes, metal) > 8' Open Wood Flute (56 pipes, 1-12 stopped) > 4' Principal (56 pipes, metal) > 2' Doublet (56 pipes, metal) > 8' Hautboy (by transmission from Swell) > Swell to Great* > Swell to Great Octaves > > SWELL - Manual II > 8' Salicional (56 pipes, metal) > 8' Voix Celeste (44 pipes, metal, from C13) > 8' Stopped Diapason (56 pipes, wood) > 4' Harmonic Flute (56 pipes, metal, [1-12 wood]) > 8' Hautboy (56 pipes, metal, open, Bertouneche schallots) > Tremulant > Swell Octaves > > PEDAL > 16' Open Wood Bass (30 pipes, internal wood tuning sleeves) > 16' Stopped Bass (30 pipes, wood) > 8' Octave (by transmission from Great) > 8' Hautboy (by transmission from Swell) > Great to Pedal* > Swell to Pedal* > Swell to Pedal Octaves > > *The three unison couplers will be reversible by toe spoons above the pedal > clavier > > Sebastian M. Gluck > Tonal Director > Gluck New York > Pipe Organ Restorers and Builders > > . > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post) From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:55:51 -0600   hmmmm .... off topic? yep. true? yep. yep. yep. Oh my, I forgot: = Thou Shalt NOT be critical of the "W" ... it's unpatriotic. I'm sure = THAT will be included in the text of PATRIOT ACT II.   Stop this now indeed. News flash ... not everyone is a lock step = Republican Peter. Get over yourself. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Storandt, Peter=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: RE: Westminster Hymnal (x post)     Stop this now.       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf = Of Cole Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:19 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post)       Almost anything, Victoria. Herr Busch doesn't seem to know his people = need good healthcare. We cannot get it unless we are very well healed. = (There's a funny in there somewhere.) (8-)   Oh, my, am I sounding bitter here? I know, what a novel idea it is = that a government should "promote the general Welfare"!   Victoria wrote:         I think it's possible to get ANYTHING in the U.S. <g> =20     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/2004    
(back) Subject: Apologies From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:02:10 -0600   My apologies to the List for engaging in/responding to commentary which = was off topic, and of a political nature.   Mea Culpa,   Tim     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: a challenge From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:12:02 EST   A TIMELESS pipe organ must be crafted for the space. This project = should not be cost based either...it should be strictly based on = musicality.TIMELESS is the key word. Rent Allens until there is enough money to get a big = pipe organ-if it takes 10 years, so be it. Purchasing a mediocre and = insufficient instrument is just a big fat waste of money. It should have a tracker = console for solo performances, as well as a detached console for orchestral accompaniment. It should have tonal resources that allow the orchestra = and choirs to be properly supported, but it must also have the ability to completely = overpower the ensemble too-in a graceful way of course :) An organ in a large = public place must be a beautiful work of art-anything short of that would be a = great disservice, and an insult to the organ as an instrument -one that many of = the great composers and musicians turned to for artistic expression, = compositional and spiritual insight, and last but not least, income. just my 2 cents.......... gfc           Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Wittenberg University chapel organ From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:24:20 -0600   A picture of the Wittenberg College Chapel, Springfield, OH can be found = in the 9th Edition of Barnes "The Contemporary American Organ" on page = 313 and the stoplist on page 324.   Sand Lawn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cole=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Wittenberg University chapel organ     The organ, which dates to the building of Weaver Chapel at Wittenberg = University in 1954, is a Reuter.  
(back) Subject: an organ for an orchestra hall From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:39:16 -0800   For heaven's sake, do what Jacksonville did ... they recycled a STUNNING old Casavant for a fraction of the cost of a new instrument, in addition to getting pipes and other stuff of a quality that's seldom seen today.   Big orchestral organs that are either in danger or going begging = currently:   San Francisco Municipal Auditorium (?) Austin Chicago Medinah Temple Austin Memphis Kimball Wooster Kimball ? Cleveland Public Hall Skinner NYC Holy Name Moller   Somebody look up Calvin Hampton's article in the Diapason from years ago about what the organ-orchestra literature really REQUIRES.   I don't think a tracker with electric pull-downs for a second electric console is realistic. The scales and the wind-pressures required for an orchestra hall organ are pretty much beyond the capabilities of a slider windchest without pneumatic or electric assists.   There is precious little NEED for a germanic neo-classic organ in the literature, never mind that such an organ couldn't be HEARD over the orchestra in any case (grin).   What's NEEDED is great buckets of 8' stops that pile up in an orderly dynamic fashion, and probably an EQUAL number of reed stops that do the same. Read Hampton's article.   Big germanic mixtures and fiddles fight like cats and dogs (grin).   An orchestra hall organ is probably the WORST place for digital voices .... they cannot BEGIN to produce the WEIGHT of sound needed to be heard with/over the orchestra.   Just my two cents' worth (grin).   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: an organ for an orchestra hall From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:35:24 EST   In a message dated 1/14/2004 6:32:09 PM Central Standard Time, quilisma@cox.net writes: For heaven's sake, do what Jacksonville did ... they recycled a STUNNING old Casavant for a fraction of the cost of a new instrument, in addition to getting pipes and other stuff of a quality that's seldom seen today. ooooohhhh- Farnhams Casavant is available-from the 20s--probably a sweety. = good thinking bud.     gfc   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: an organ for an orchestra hall From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:40:54 -0600   Hi! I'm sure Scott Foppiano knows more about this than I, but I know that at least half of the Memphis Kimball is completely safe and in use. It was installed in Bartlett United Methodist Church in Bartlett, TN (a suburb of Memphis) Diane Meredith Belcher did the dedication of it last April, I believe. I never heard the original organ, though I've heard lots about it and have maybe even heard an old recording of it. It was, alas, removed before my time.   Also, I may be mistaken, but wasn't the organ for Orchestra Hall in Chicago at least partially recycled? If you haven't heard David Schrader's recording of it in organ and orchestra works with the Grant Park Symphony, you certainly should.     Blessings, Beau Surratt Minister of Worship and Music United Church of Hyde Park, Chicago      
(back) Subject: Re: an organ for an orchestra hall From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:49:21 -0800   Oh, dear! And that was one I omitted from the list. YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!   Bud   Gfc234@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 1/14/2004 6:32:09 PM Central Standard Time, > quilisma@cox.net writes: > > For heaven's sake, do what Jacksonville did ... they recycled a > STUNNING > old Casavant for a fraction of the cost of a new instrument, in > addition > to getting pipes and other stuff of a quality that's seldom seen = today. > > ooooohhhh- Farnhams Casavant is available-from the 20s--probably a > sweety. good thinking bud. > > > gfc > > Gregory Ceurvorst > M.M. Organ Performance Student > Northwestern University > Director of Music and Organist > St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL > 847.332.2788 home > 708.243.2549 mobile > gfc234@aol.com <http://gfc234@aol.com/>      
(back) Subject: Re: an organ for an orchestra hall From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:51:30 -0800   He prolly does, but as I recall the TWO Memphis organs weren't equal ... one was larger than the other ... and it was the SMALLER one that was sold off to a church. Both organs played from the larger console, and only the smaller organ from the smaller console? Or was it a classical/theatre divide?   Bud   Beau Surratt wrote:   > Hi! > I'm sure Scott Foppiano knows more about this than I, but I know that > at least half of the Memphis Kimball is completely safe and in use. It > was installed in Bartlett United Methodist Church in Bartlett, TN (a > suburb of Memphis) Diane Meredith Belcher did the dedication of it last > April, I believe. I never heard the original organ, though I've heard > lots about it and have maybe even heard an old recording of it. It was, > alas, removed before my time. > > Also, I may be mistaken, but wasn't the organ for Orchestra Hall in > Chicago at least partially recycled? If you haven't heard David > Schrader's recording of it in organ and orchestra works with the Grant > Park Symphony, you certainly should. > > > Blessings, > Beau Surratt > Minister of Worship and Music > United Church of Hyde Park, Chicago > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post) From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:11:55 -0600   Just like the pooooor liberals .... to denigrate someone who has = actually done something good for the whole world . Besides , it's not = the governments place to dictate to citizens how health care should be = managed . I support our president , and I think it's so juvenile the way = you say " republicans march in lock step " YOU and folks like you are = FAR closer to nazi's than we republicans are . B.A.F.  
(back) Subject: politics From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:25:46 -0800   I'm not a listowner, but I invite everyone who's interested in discussing this (or anything else) to take it over to:   orgofftop@yahoogroups.com   "Organists Off-Topic", which was created for that purpose.   Over THERE, ANY topic is acceptable.   THIS list is for organ and church music-related subjects.   However, *I* will continue to post news items over here concerning the civil war in the Episcopal church WHEN it affects organists.   Cheers,   Bud   firman1 wrote:   > Just like the pooooor liberals .... to denigrate someone who has > actually done something good for the whole world . Besides , it's not > the governments place to dictate to citizens how health care should be > managed . I support our president , and I think it's so juvenile the way =   > you say " republicans march in lock step " YOU and folks like you are > FAR closer to nazi's than we republicans are . B.A.F.      
(back) Subject: Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post) From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:26:47 -0600   I guessed I missed this thread, but not wanting to be left out just let = me say "DITTOS"=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: firman1=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Westminster Hymnal (x post)     Just like the pooooor liberals .... to denigrate someone who has = actually done something good for the whole world . Besides , it's not = the governments place to dictate to citizens how health care should be = managed . I support our president , and I think it's so juvenile the way = you say " republicans march in lock step " YOU and folks like you are = FAR closer to nazi's than we republicans are . B.A.F.    
(back) Subject: Re: an organ for an orchestra hall From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:47:25 EST   In a message dated 1/14/2004 6:41:07 PM Central Standard Time, Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com writes: Also, I may be mistaken, but wasn't the organ for Orchestra Hall in Chicago at least partially recycled? If you haven't heard David Schrader's recording of it in organ and orchestra works with the Grant Park Symphony, you certainly should. I think (because I am too lazy to refer to the liner notes right now) that =   some of the swell is Lyon and Healy. I do specifically recall reading = that the organ contains the largest 16' open diapason that Casavant has ever built. = Also, there is a Pipe Dreams archive of David Schrader demonstrating the = organ with an improvisation, and the Dupre Variations on a Noel (from = memory)---my oh my-talk about a cyclic post-it covers memory, Dupre, and Concert Hall = organs. LOL gfc             Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com