PipeChat Digest #4226 - Friday, January 16, 2004
 
Re: bench fees
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
RE: "reycling" pipe organs
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Residence Organs
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: Residence Organs
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re:Residence Organs
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Re: Re:Residence Organs
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
Thank you for your input
  by "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net>
Re: Re:Residence Organs
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
Re: Re:Residence Organs Keith Zimmerman
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Pipe Organs in Mansions
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Jazz
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
RE: Jazz
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Fred Teardo at Grace Cathedral
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Felix's May concerts (Was Re: RE. a hypothetical question)
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: bench fees
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Fwd: Diapason Resource Directory
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: bench fees
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: bench fees
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Resultant 16'
  by "Dick Meckstroth" <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: Resultant 16'
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Residence Organs
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: bench fees
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
RTR FM
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: RTR FM
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
IRC
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
IRC
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: bench fees From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:59:46 EST   I'm with Bud on this one, all the way. "The Pastor makes this exception = and then tells me he approved it, "knowing I will understand". Just reading = that turned me passion purple and caused something resembling steam to spew = forth from my reddened ears!   I simply refuse to accept a contract or letter of employment which does = not include two very important things: a bench fee and a right of first = refusal for occasional services not covered in my contract like parish missions, weddings, funerals, etc. (that's assuming they're NOT covered in my = contract). With organists in such short supply, it shouldn't be hard to persuade a church = to include them. It is, in my opinion, a professional standard. On occasions = when I have been a music director in a parish which employs another musician as organist, I expect the organist's contract to include those clauses.   This seems to be a problem especially in some RC churches. I was once told = by a rather cranky monsignor in about the second week of my employment to actively seek to take away from the organist (I was music director) half = of the weddings and funerals he was playing, because the monsignor felt the = organist was "running a side business out of the parish in weddings and funerals". I = was completely aghast (disgusted is more like it) and flatly refused. The = organist didn't have these clauses in his contract--fortunately for him, I behaved professionally. A less scrupulous musician may have seen dollar signs in monsignor's eyes and acquiesced to his inappropriate demand.   Sometimes it is appropriate to give up the bench for "Aunt Millie from = East Tonawanda" to play a funeral. (No offense to those from the Buffalo-Niagra =   area!). If it is not possible for the family to pay the bench fee, the = church should. There are some families who actively seek a way to avoid paying = extra fees even though they have plenty of money, and others who may be broke. Either =   way, the only message that should ever be sent is that organists are professionals and expect to be paid. Period. If this sounds insufficiently = pastoral, ask yourself this: how would Father feel about giving up his salary and being = told "I knew you'd understand", especially if someone else were making that decision for him? Mon Dieu! Bill H.    
(back) Subject: RE: "reycling" pipe organs From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:00:54 -0600   Is that Utopian socialist or Marxist socialist? Just curious.   Please no reply, or reply off-list - I am already scheduled for my weekly confession and caning by David and Tim, and don't want to add to my list of off-topic sins right now (this one makes 53, I think). And I get enough politics during the day at work - don't need any more from an organ list.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (Political Science degree holder and nosey person)   -----Original Message----- Oh, and BTW, I am not a liberal. I am a socialist--not a National Socialist.   Danke, sehr viel, mein Herr. <Heel click> Ross C "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA (8-P          
(back) Subject: Residence Organs From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:17:38 -0500   I don't know if somebody has already mentioned it . . . an historic = mansion in Atlanta, Georgia has a pipe organ. Callanwolde (I think I spelled it correctly) has a pipe organ. No pipes are visible, but there are grilles thru which the pipes sound. I only heard it once many years ago while attending the wedding of a friend. I did get up to the console to view = it. I believe that it's an Aeolian Skinner - or an Aeolian. It has three manuals, but the 3rd manual's stops include all the stops of the Swell and Great.   I've heard that Callanwolde has Christmas concerts, though I've never attended one.   Thanks, Keith      
(back) Subject: Re: Residence Organs From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:29:55 -0800   That sounds more like an Aeolian ... were the stops drawknobs or horizontal rocker-tabs on jambs at a funny angle to the keyboards? If the latter, then it was definitely an Aeolian ... that configuration was, I believe, unique to them. Very comfortable for hand-registering, actually.   Cheers,   Bud   Keith Zimmerman wrote:   > I don't know if somebody has already mentioned it . . . an historic = mansion > in Atlanta, Georgia has a pipe organ. Callanwolde (I think I spelled it > correctly) has a pipe organ. No pipes are visible, but there are = grilles > thru which the pipes sound. I only heard it once many years ago while > attending the wedding of a friend. I did get up to the console to view = it. > I believe that it's an Aeolian Skinner - or an Aeolian. It has three > manuals, but the 3rd manual's stops include all the stops of the Swell = and > Great. > > I've heard that Callanwolde has Christmas concerts, though I've never > attended one. > > Thanks, > Keith > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re:Residence Organs From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:19:00 -0500   >Subject: Residence Organs >There is a home in New Albany, Indiana (metro Louisville, KY) that has an >original small home organ unless it was removed recently. Smaller >builder......might have been Louisville Pipe Organ?   Off the topic of instruments in historic mansions, but speaking of Louisville:   http://www.louisvillescene.com/arts/performing/2003/20030427bach.html    
(back) Subject: Re: Re:Residence Organs From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:49:46 -0600   Hello all, An excellent source of information is Rollins Smith's book, The Aeolian = Pipe Organ and its Music. He lists a complete opus list and states which organs still survive, and sometimes if they are still playable. By the way, I have Aeolian Opus # 1228, from the Gehring Mansion in Ohio. BAF II      
(back) Subject: Thank you for your input From: "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:53:13 -0800   I recently asked the kind folks on this chat list to privately send me = their recommendations for a home practice organ. Not having the space, funds = or the time required to maintain a pipe organ, I opted for a newer digital Rodgers organ with sound module. It arrived yesterday about 4pm, was playable by 4:30 and I am just now considering the thought of going to = bed! So thanks to all of you that responded privately with your suggestions, = I read and thought about everyone of them. What a great group of folks = occupy this list! John      
(back) Subject: Re: Re:Residence Organs From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:13:43 -0400   Its nice to see at least some of these instruments still survive, and = even nicer is that when one is threatened, to see someone realize that it is a signifigent historical piece and saves it. But its still a shame when a beautiful mansion is converted into condos     Daneil    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:22:20 -0500   The E. M. Skinner residence organ, Opus 500 and expanded as Opus 500A is now located in the Christ Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, Dundalk, Maryland. It is tonally unaltered, except that the wooden harp, drum, and =   player mechanism have been removed. The console has also been = solid-stated with Peterson electronics. List member V. David Barton holds forth on the =   bench there.   Paul R. Swank Baltimore, MD.    
(back) Subject: Re: Re:Residence Organs Keith Zimmerman From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:21:24 -0400   Hey Keith here is a link I searched after you mentioned the Mansion http://www.callanwolde.org/tour/organ.html even pictures of the pipework Daniel    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:51:57 -0500   On 1/15/04 8:18 PM, "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:   > how many Mansions and residences of the elite back in > the early 20th century still survive. and if so , how many still contain > there Pipe Organs.   Quite a few. And be no means all "mansios," but a fair number of far more modest domiciles. I'd guess surely in the many hundreds of them in the = U.S. alone. And plenty in the UK as well.   Don't know of any "compilation" of them. But just reading through the A/S opus list will reveal quite a few.   As for playability? Well, that's another question. Fodder for somebody's Master's thesis.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Pipe Organs in Mansions From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:55:56 -0600   TommyLee Whitlock and I happened at an AGO chapter dinner in Arlington this fall to hear about a huge Hook & Hastings residence organ that is looking for a new home now that its original site is being converted to condominiums. I want to say the building is around 17th or 18th and K Streets, but I can't recall precisely. At one point, after its owner's death, the building passed to the National Park Service and was available for rental. If you wanted to play the organ, you simply had to make a call and reserve a time! Unfortunately, neither TommyLee nor I have the space and, er, resources to take on this beauty, but we are enjoying our present home instruments as David describes below.   =20   Peter   =20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of DudelK@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:57 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions   =20   During the OHS in NC a few years ago the venues included Chinqua Penn, Reynolda House, and Biltmore House. I don't have my handbook handy, but if I recall, Chinqua Penn had a Skinner, Reynolda House a very interesting Aeolian, and Biltmore House a gorgeous Skinner that had been relocated from New York State. I think all of them have been featured on the wonderful America's Castles series on A&E. Last time I checked there was a Christmas CD of the Biltmore organ.   There's also the (I think) large Aeolian in the Frick mansion, now the Frick Collection, in New York -- just up the block from St. Thomas and Emanu-El. I believe there is also an organ still in the Eastman residence in Rochester (also on A's-C).=20   There are some in current and former residences here in Washington. One was up at Chevy Chase Circle, whose details I forget. Another is in a former mansion just up the block from my place, which now houses some kind of Korean govt. mission. And there's one I think in the Mexican embassy up on 16th St. There was also one in the residence of the minister of a church for which I was formerly the organist. After hearing about it for a long time, I finally got up there and discovered it was basically a case of ka-ka on a stick. Another local organist has a Wurlitzer and one or more others at his place up near Camp David in Maryland, but I've not been there. It was featured on a local TV program some years ago.=20   An acquaintance had a very large 3m custom Rodgers in his contemporary mansion between Embassy Row and Washington Cathedral, but I believe that went to one of the colleges at Catholic University when he sold the house. There is/was one in the current residence of the Italian Ambassador facing Rock Creek Park, but I believe I was told it was no longer playable when I was there some years ago.=20   And then there's the lovely little 2m Rodgers in my place just off Dupont Circle. It's hardly a mansion, but the organ comes in quite handy for practicing when you have a Sunday job and it's cold and you don't feel like going to the church. It came from a residence in Montgomery County a few years ago. And after the time it's been here, I have never tired of the sound, although I'm sure many others would have. Of course I'd rather have a substantial Aeolian-Skinner, but in its own way this was a dream come true after many years of looking and hoping.=20   Would that all our mansions large and small had an organ that was just right for the owner/occupant!      
(back) Subject: Jazz From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:00:48 -0500   I just found out that a couple of parishioners at the R.C. church where I play have a jazz combo. Anyone on the list know of organ and/or choral works in a jazz idiom that employ a combo? Inquiring minds want to know.   Regards, David Baker    
(back) Subject: RE: Jazz From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:02:12 -0600   Check out Joe Utterback's oeuvre.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of David Baker Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:01 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Jazz   I just found out that a couple of parishioners at the R.C. church where=20 I play have a jazz combo. Anyone on the list know of organ and/or=20 choral works in a jazz idiom that employ a combo? Inquiring minds want=20 to know.   Regards, David Baker   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Fred Teardo at Grace Cathedral From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:45:03 -0500   I too, add my comment to this announcement Fred is indeed a talent well worth hearing. I have heard him at Battell Chapel at Yale and other locations too. The program is very interesting and I am sure all will enjoy it.   Wishing I could transport there myself. From 2=B0 Boston Mack   Jim Lokken wrote:   >The list of organ recitals at Grace Cathedral (see = www.gracecathedral.org) >announces that Fred Teardo is playing there at 3pm Sunday Jan 18. I plan = to >be there. Hope to see some of you there as well. > >I'm the balding, chubby, 70yo guy with glasses. <g> > > > > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:52:30 -0500   Hey Bud,   Is that the Flagler Mansion in West Plam Beach FL.? Seen that but never heard it had one of the vorsetzer type players. Was in the ballroom ashame to take it out. Cheers, Mack (freezing my ass off here in 2=B0 temps.)   quilisma@cox.net wrote:   > > The Welte from a mansion in Palm Beach was on the market recently. > >    
(back) Subject: Felix's May concerts (Was Re: RE. a hypothetical question) From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:28:34 -0500       On 16 Jan 2004 at 3:00, Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote:     > > I hope to go to hear his graduation recital in Philadelphia. >   Don't forget Felix's concert on the Martin Ott at Trinity Lutheran Church,= 1000 W. Main Street (Rte. 63), in Lansdale, PA, about an hour's drive (maybe less)= from Philadelphia.   Friday, May 14, at 8:00 PM   The organ is a 1999 tracker instrument, and was featured in two concerts d= uring the Philadelphia AGO convention July 2002. Below is the stop list. For m= ore info about the instrument (an a picture of the impressive instrument), see http://www.trinitylansdale.com, Music, Sanctuary Organ.   Martin Ott Organ Company St. Louis, MO Opus 90-1999 70 RANKS, 55 STOPS   HAUPTWERK: Prinzipal 16' Prinzipal 8' Gemshorn 8' Rohrfl=F6te 8' Oktave 4' Kornett V tf Nachthorn 4' Quinte 2 2/3' Mixtur 2' II-III Oktave 2' Mixtur IV-VI Trompete 16' Gro=DFtrompete 8' Trompete 8' Tremulant Zimbelstern   SCHWELLWERK: Bourdon 16' Viola di Gamba 8' Voix Celeste 8' tc Bourdon 8' Oktave 4' Flute Harmonic 4' Waldfl=F6te 2' Mixtur IV Bombarde 16' Trompette 8' Hautbois 8' Clairon 4' Tremulant   OBERWERK: Geigen Prinzipal 8' Querfl=F6te 8' Quintade 8' Oktave 4' Blockfl=F6te 4' Nasat 2 2/3' Oktave 2' Nachthorn 2' Terz 1 3/5' Quinte 1 1/3' Septime 1 1/7' Scharff IV Dulzian 16' Krummhorn 8' Gro=DFtrompete 8' (HW) Tremulant   PEDAL: Untersatz 32' Prinzipalba=DF 16' Subba=DF 16' Oktavba=DF 8' Gedacktba=DF 8' Choralba=DF 4' Fl=F6tenba=DF 4' Mixtur IV Kontraposaune 32' Posaune 16' Trompete 8' Gro=DFtrompete 8' (HW) Gro=DFtrompete 4' (HW) Schalmey 4'          
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:43:40 -0800   From the looks of the organ in the photos of the Flagler Mansion, no, the Welte was a different organ ... it had a large horseshoe console, though it wasn't a theatre organ.   Cheers,   Bud   mack02445 wrote:   > Hey Bud, > > Is that the Flagler Mansion in West Plam Beach FL.? Seen that but never =   > heard it had one of the vorsetzer type players. Was in the ballroom > ashame to take it out. > Cheers, > Mack (freezing my ass off here in 2=B0 temps.) > > quilisma@cox.net wrote: > >> >> The Welte from a mansion in Palm Beach was on the market recently. >> >> > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: bench fees From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:58:26 -0500   On 1/16/04 5:59 AM, "DERREINETOR@aol.com" <DERREINETOR@aol.com> wrote:   > If it is not possible for the family to pay the bench fee, the church sho= uld.   Bill: I=B9ll go one small (but I think important) step further. The church should pay the organist, period. Regardless of the family=B9s ability. Thei= r poverty or wealth is between them and the pastor, not between them and the organist, who comes off looking like a free-lance, scrounging for a bit of =B3piecework.=B2 If, beyond that, the family wants to drop a few bucks=B9 gratuity on the organist, FINE!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Diapason Resource Directory From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:02:47 -0600   This was sent to the Administration account and I am forwarding it on behalf of Jerome Butera, the Editor of The Diapason   David   >The Diapason has published its first annual Resource Directory, >which was mailed with the January issue of The Diapason. The >Resource Directory provides listings of companies, individuals, >products and services, and includes providers' web and e-mail >addresses. A listing of associations is also included. The directory >is free to all subscribers of The Diapason; additional copies are >available for $5.00 postpaid. For information: 847/391-1045; ><jbutera@sgcmail.com>.     -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:09:45 -0600   The organ in "Whitehall", the Flagler mansion is a 1901 Odell. It was removed to the Royal Poinciana Chapel but returned and reinstalled in the early 80's.   Sand    
(back) Subject: Re: bench fees From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:04:57 EST   Alan, The moment I sent that post (after editing and spell-checking) I realized that particular statement was badly worded. I have never discussed money = with any parishioner (unless I needed a donation for the Christmas Cantata). You're =   right--we should be paid, period. By the church. Peace, Bill H.    
(back) Subject: Re: bench fees From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:51:58 -0500   On 1/16/04 1:04 PM, "DERREINETOR@aol.com" <DERREINETOR@aol.com> wrote:   > You're right--we should be paid, period. By the church.   Then we are, of course, of exactly one (rather excellent) mind!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Resultant 16' From: "Dick Meckstroth" <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:12:51 -0500   ---- Original message ---- >From: quilisma@cox.net   >Tri-State: where Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky come together ... Kentucky >is right across the river from Cincinnati.   Can Bud have a parochial opinion? I forget, but it's either New York, New =   Jersey, and Connecticut; or Texas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico.   Dick  
(back) Subject: Re: Resultant 16' From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:44:02 -0800   There are several ... I was speaking of the area in the Midwest where German-American organ-builders built "monkey-quints."   Cheers,   Bud   Dick Meckstroth wrote: > ---- Original message ---- > >>From: quilisma@cox.net > > >>Tri-State: where Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky come together ... Kentucky >>is right across the river from Cincinnati. > > > Can Bud have a parochial opinion? I forget, but it's either New York, = New > Jersey, and Connecticut; or Texas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico. > > Dick > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Residence Organs From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:41:10 -0500   The home of Robert Todd Lincoln, son of Pres. Abraham Lincoln, near = Rutland VT has an Aeolian.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: bench fees From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:56:46 -0600   I'll ask this then lurk again...   Does the church send the wedding party a bill, or require the wedding = party to pay something for wedding services? Usually, the church RECOMMENDS a stipend to be paid to the presiding minister, priest, pastor, etc.   What I'm trying to get at, is church's usually don't REQUIRE payment for services rendered.   I'm MOST sure that there are exceptions, though, but in my experinece the church didn't require payment. If it's a popular church, though, or in the =   peak of wedding season, I've seen that this is required, but that seems to =   be the exception rather than the rule.   I do agree, though, that the organist should receive some sort of fee if = his or her services are replaced with a substitute, even if the substitute is = a relative doing this for free. And it should be the judgement of the organist, not the pastor, unless the pastor is aware of remuneration and passes this information to the wedding party.   In short, if the wedding party chooses the church to be married in, then = the church should have a policy on reumeration for their services.   Now, what if a family member of a major donor get married? How is that handled?   I know I've thrown out some contradicting thoughts, so as you can see my mind is wide open on this subject.   Mike Franch Madison, WI   >From: Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: bench fees >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:51:58 -0500 > >On 1/16/04 1:04 PM, "DERREINETOR@aol.com" <DERREINETOR@aol.com> wrote: > > > You're right--we should be paid, period. By the church. > >Then we are, of course, of exactly one (rather excellent) mind! > >Alan   _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3D3963    
(back) Subject: RTR FM From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:19:20 -0500   In case you haven't noticed it RTR FM in Australia has a new web host for its stream. You can connect by going to their web site. You will need Windoze Media Player. NO MORE LIVE 365 yea!   Cheers, Mack    
(back) Subject: Re: RTR FM From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:37:58 -0500   At 04:19 PM 1/16/2004, Mack wrote: >In case you haven't noticed it RTR FM in Australia has a new web host for =   >its stream. You can connect by going to their web site. You will need >Windoze Media Player. NO MORE LIVE 365 yea! > >Cheers, >Mack   For those of you who may not know what Mack is talking about, - RTR FM is from Perth, Australia.   Its connection to PipeChat-L is that when we are on PipeChat IRC on Friday =   evenings there is a Theatre Organ programme that we listen to for light relief from the weighty discussions that we have every Monday and Friday nights.   Why don't you join us tonight!   Bob Conway (This is an unsolicited promo!)            
(back) Subject: IRC From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:52:36 -0600   I've been meaning to log onto IRC for a while. Can you send Log On instructions, or link to connect to IRC?   Thanks,   David E   David Evangelides Colorado Springs, Colorado     -----Original Message----- From: Bob Conway <conwayb@sympatico.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:37:58 -0500   > > Its connection to PipeChat-L is that when we are on PipeChat IRC on > Friday > evenings there is a Theatre Organ programme that we listen to for light > relief from the weighty discussions that we have every Monday and > Friday > nights. > > Why don't you join us tonight! > > Bob Conway > (This is an unsolicited promo!)      
(back) Subject: IRC From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:52:58 -0500   You can find all you need to know about Pipechat IRC at the web site. www.pipechat.org   Mack