PipeChat Digest #4230 - Sunday, January 18, 2004
 
Re: Prostitutes???
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
RE: Prostitutes???
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
Re: Prostitutes???
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
Weddings
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Jerusalem
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: Jerusalem
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Jerusalem
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Eucharist Setting
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
RE: Prostitutes???
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Wanted: Music Critiques! (a little bit off topic...)
  by <DavidL1205@aol.com>
Re: Jerusalem
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: Jerusalem
  by "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net>
Re: Jerusalem
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Prostitutes???
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Prostitutes???
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Reserviors
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
RE: Prostitutes???
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Prostitutes??? From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:35:14 -0600   Boy, Jeff. I don't know which Lutheran Church you go to, but mine will = not allow our church to be used unless one of the intendeds are members of the church. BTW, I belong to an LCMS congregaton.   Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: RE: Prostitutes???     So, they find a nice Lutheran church that can do the ceremony (in our = case, that is). > Jeff > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: RE: Prostitutes??? From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:41:42 -0600   Okay, here's one for the tax pros. I belive churches are not a taxable entity. Isn't that because of the voluntary nature of the "business". Members do not get bills for attending church, collections are not mandatory, and the church hopes through the grace of God, that their collections meet expenses.   The church entity means that, although people are not required to give to the church, they should feel an obligation to help the church and its = people who dedicate their lives to the church. Some take that obligation = seriously, others don't.   That doesn't mean that I think that clergy and musicianss shouldn't be = paid. I'm sure that if someone skips out on paying for a wedding though, the church doesn't send them a bill.   This is admittedly a sticky topic, because the church employees don't "require" money for services rendered. However, the church employees on = the other end don't get their debts forgiven by their landlord, mortage = company, car loan people, etc. Church employees are expected, like regular = employees, to pay for their groceries, gas, rent/housing, etc. They don't have the luxury of skipping out on paying.   I think comparing this topic to prostitution is taking a leap off the deep =   end. Let's keep this discussion in perspective and not compare it to = illegal activity.   Mike Franch Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed =   experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=3Den-us&page=3Dbyoa/prem&ST=3D1    
(back) Subject: Re: Prostitutes??? From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:46:58 -0600   Hey, here's a thought. Take one of your wedding party people that hasn't paid for a thing, go to their place of business, ask to use their = services, then tell them not to send you a bill, because since payment for your services is optional, you should have the luxury of doing the same thing = for their services. What do you think they might say, after stammering for an answer?   Wouldn't that be nice to turn the tables like that?   Mike Franch Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/    
(back) Subject: Weddings From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:02:41 -0600   One more question for Alan..........just curious, that's all. You seemed quite firm that ONLY members of your parish could be married there. I don't mean to be snide, but most of this list knows of one couple that got married there last year that were not members, were they? Had a very well-known organist, too, as I recall, that is NOT your church's regular organist.   ;>)   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower        
(back) Subject: Re: Jerusalem From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:24:09 -0600   Is it just me, or is anyone else having problems opening this?   Jim H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Jerusalem     > Too few people take advantage of, or just don't know about The Public > Domain Choral Library at http://cpdl.snaptel.com/index.php. > It contains over 6000 anthems, solos, etc that are no longer under > copyright. They have all been put up on the site by volunteers who > made new editions using their music software programs and contributed > to the library. There you will find a great pdf file with "Jerusalem" > that prints out to look like the most expensive octavo you would buy. > Entire masses and oratorios are there for the copying, and all > completely legal and proper. Looking for that traditional anthem or > solo, just print it out and photocopy to your hearts content. Just be > aware that some of the music is out of copyright in some countries, but > not others depending on local laws. > > There - I just increased your library by 6000 anthems! > > Ken > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music > St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY > 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, > Austin Op. 2097 at: http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html > Randolph Organ Company, curators > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Jerusalem From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:14:42 -0500   No it's not only you Jim, - I couldn't open it either. I checked out my Adobe Reader, and it is working, so I think that it must be the file.   Bob Conway     At 10:24 PM 1/17/2004, you wrote: >Is it just me, or is anyone else having problems opening this? > >Jim H >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> >To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:39 PM >Subject: Re: Jerusalem > > > > Too few people take advantage of, or just don't know about The Public > > Domain Choral Library at http://cpdl.snaptel.com/index.php. > > It contains over 6000 anthems, solos, etc that are no longer under > > copyright. They have all been put up on the site by volunteers who > > made new editions using their music software programs and contributed > > to the library. There you will find a great pdf file with "Jerusalem" > > that prints out to look like the most expensive octavo you would buy. > > Entire masses and oratorios are there for the copying, and all > > completely legal and proper. Looking for that traditional anthem or > > solo, just print it out and photocopy to your hearts content. Just be > > aware that some of the music is out of copyright in some countries, = but > > not others depending on local laws. > > > > There - I just increased your library by 6000 anthems! > > > > Ken > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music > > St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY > > 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, > > Austin Op. 2097 at: >http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html > > Randolph Organ Company, curators > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Jerusalem From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:26:43 -0600   Hi! I use this resource all the time. If you're having trouble, try simply going to http://www.cpdl.org   That should work just fine.     Blessings, Beau Surratt Minister of Worship and Music      
(back) Subject: Eucharist Setting From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:28:38 -0600   Hi! I'd love to take a look at your setting if you could send in in PDF format.     Blessings, Beau Surratt Minister of Worship and Music United Church of Hyde Park, Chicago      
(back) Subject: RE: Prostitutes??? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:39:21 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   What's wrong with being a protitute, I ask?   Jesus loved them!   :)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Andr=E9s G=FCnther <agun@telcel.net.ve> wrote: > Andres Gunther > agun@telcel.net.ve > > There always are people who think that Music in > Church must be done "For the > Glory of God" **ALONE**. The first is more than okay > with me; the second > would be okay with me if the grocery store and the > power, gas, water and > phone comps. would give me their services or goods > for free or a 50% rebate   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus  
(back) Subject: Re: Wanted: Music Critiques! (a little bit off topic...) From: <DavidL1205@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:41:26 EST     In a message dated 1/17/04 7:23:02 PM, steve@sbarker.net writes:   << For the last couple of months I've been working on a setting of the   Eucharist for Unison voices and organ, for a choir festival later in the   year (about 400 choristers). Having just about finished the first   complete version, I'd quite like some volunteers to give me some   feedback - hopefully a mixture of both positive and constructive! If   you would be happy to have a look/listen/play then email me privately   with your email address and whether you'd like the file as a Scorch file   (the Sibelius web format), a pdf, or maybe something else!     Anyone interested?!     Steve Barker   Canterbury UK >>   Steve: I'm always interested in such! I'm at Good Shepherd Episcopal here in Columbia, SC, an Anglo-catholic parish with a really good choir and organ, = and congregational ordinary usually. I do have Sibelius on my computer, but = it's not up to date -- my Finale is 2003 (does it translate Sibelius? I don't know) = but a ..pdf is fine, too.   If my gong makes me more suspicious than trustworthy, you may want to = check the link below. I assure you your musical property is safe. Thanks.   http://www.winthrop.edu/music/lowry.htm   David Lowry, DMA, HonRSCM 1829 Senate Street, 14C Columbia, SC 29201-3838 DavidL1205@aol.com Home: 803.256.0581 Fax: 803.771.7227   God wants to give us freedom and we pray for carpet for our cells. -- = Paul Tillich Carpet cells if you will, but not churches. -- David Lowry  
(back) Subject: Re: Jerusalem From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:00:02 -0600   Well Beau, I tried this one and got a request for a user name, password = and domain. I tried it as .com and got a list of various headings. Any other suggestions.   Jim H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Jerusalem     > Hi! > I use this resource all the time. If you're having trouble, try simply > going to http://www.cpdl.org > > That should work just fine. > > > Blessings, > Beau Surratt > Minister of Worship and Music > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Jerusalem From: "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:58:44 -0500     >http://www.cpdl.org didn't work for me ...     But this one did: http://www.mutopiaproject.org/        
(back) Subject: Re: Jerusalem From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:09:32 -0600   whoops!!! I meant .com- just type in the search box what you want and you'll find it.     Blessings, Beau Surratt Minister of Worship and Music United Church of Hyde Park, Chicago      
(back) Subject: Re: Prostitutes??? From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:11:03 EST   In a message dated 1/17/2004 7:47:45 PM Central Standard Time, mike6514@hotmail.com writes: Hey, here's a thought. Take one of your wedding party people that hasn't paid for a thing, go to their place of business, ask to use their = services, then tell them not to send you a bill, because since payment for your services is optional, you should have the luxury of doing the same thing = for their services. What do you think they might say, after stammering for an answer?   Wouldn't that be nice to turn the tables like that?   Mike Franch Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com RIGHT ON-MIKE!!!!! THERE IS NOOOOOOOO FREE LUNCH (as virgil fox = said)--WHY IN THE WORLD SHOULD WE EVER WORK FOR FREE????????? OR BE MADE TO FEEL = GUILTY FOR ASKING FOR A FEE. THIS IS A PROFESSION. PICK A NEW TOPIC. OR = CHANGE THIS TOPIC TO "SUCKERS WHO GET ADVANCED DEGREES AND PRACTICE THEIR WHOLE = LIVES, AND HAVE TO STRUGGLE TO LIVE A COMFORTABLE LIFE"       Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Prostitutes??? From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:30:31 -0600   Yeah, but Colin it was that "Go and Sin no More" thing that would put the quiet on most of us organ players.   Jim H ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Prostitutes???     > Hello, > > What's wrong with being a protitute, I ask? > > Jesus loved them! > > :) > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > --- Andr=E9s G=FCnther <agun@telcel.net.ve> wrote: > > Andres Gunther > > agun@telcel.net.ve > > > > There always are people who think that Music in > > Church must be done "For the > > Glory of God" **ALONE**. The first is more than okay > > with me; the second > > would be okay with me if the grocery store and the > > power, gas, water and > > phone comps. would give me their services or goods > > for free or a 50% rebate > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Reserviors From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:19:05 EST   The biggest advantage to a cone valve style of reservoir (I prefer the = term regulator) is that there is no chain or string to slip off of a pulley or = jamb and cause problems. They both, if properly sized and adjusted, regulate = very well.   Alan B    
(back) Subject: RE: Prostitutes??? From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:01:02 -0600   Jim,   I've heard of churches that do this. Generally I've found it's up to the pastor. For instance, the LCMS church I served in for 10 years didn't do = a lot of outside weddings. For a church that BUDGETED a deficit of = $120,xxx, that seems outrageous to pass up income. (Before you light the flamethrower, I'm not suggesting the church should only do weddings for income.) In most cases, I don't see anything wrong with a couple getting married into a church they're not members of...BUT, in each case, they = have at least 3 sessions with the pastor. And yes, they've turned away people because it wasn't appropriate for whatever reason.   I play for an ELCA church now, but synods have nothing to do with it. I'd think it's up to the individual parish.   Think about this though....if an unchurched couple gets married in the = eyes of the Lord in a church, isn't that at least good that they got IN there = in the first place? Just something to chew on...   Jeff :)       > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Jim Hailey > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 7:35 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Prostitutes??? > > > Boy, Jeff. I don't know which Lutheran Church you go to, but > mine will not > allow our church to be used unless one of the intendeds are members of = the > church. BTW, I belong to an LCMS congregaton. > > Jim H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:25 PM > Subject: RE: Prostitutes??? > > > So, they find a nice Lutheran church that can do the ceremony > (in our case, > that is). > > Jeff > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >