PipeChat Digest #4234 - Monday, January 19, 2004
 
Re: Charlie's funeral organist
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Franck Priere (was [LONG] Favorite composers, favorite performers, and od
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Re: Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Franck's and others' Prieres
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Clergy Wedding Fees -- a "retraction" if you will
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Pr.....toots???
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Franck's and others' Prieres
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
OOHPS!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Prostitutes???
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Vicar of Dibley
  by "Mark Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com>
Re: Pr . . . toot???
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Vicar of Dibley
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Vicar of Dibley
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Pr . . . toots???
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
new pipe organ
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Franck's Andantino in g
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Weddings with Malcolm involvement
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Charlie's funeral organist
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Wanted: Music Critiques! (a little bit off topic...)
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@sbarker.net>
Re: Pro . . . Toot ???
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Prostitutes???
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Wanted: Music Critiques! (a little bit off topic...)
  by <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Charlie's funeral organist From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:44:16 -0600   Hello, Monty, et al: =20 It's beginning to look as if the color of our skin does=20 not indicate exactly what kind of style we will/can use=20 when we make music. I was watching the opening ceremonies=20 of one of the championship football games yesterday, and=20 watched/listened as LeAnn Rhimes sing the national anthem,=20 ....this is a white, country-western style singer, and she=20 "blacked" it up real good. =20 Just to set the record right, ....nobody has done it=20 better than Margarite Piazza (sp?), ...of Metropolitan=20 Opera fame, as she sang for her home town football game=20 in Memphis, Tennessee. She actually phrased the lines so=20 they made sense. <grins> Now, that's how the National=20 Anthem should be sung. Oh, ...and she had the combined=20 bands of the two schools to play with her.   Help me on this... Was it Koussevitzky or Shostakovich=20 who decided to "reward" the audiences in Boston with a=20 fresh arrangement of the National Anthem? The people=20 were so appalled that, on the night that it was supposed=20 to be premiered, the Police were present to arrest him=20 if he insisted on "messing with it." <grins> =20 If either of those men could hear what they are doing=20 with the National Anthem today........ <more grins> =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..  
(back) Subject: Franck Priere (was [LONG] Favorite composers, favorite performers, and odometer readings From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:16:55 -0800     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> > > It's funny, but you don't hear the "Priere" much in recital. My life > went on, until one day when I found Richard Elliott's recording at the > Mormon Tabernacle, which included - well, you guessed it. I was again > (oh, but maybe it was first love - who knows?) smitten, and actually > went to the church and played through it. I was proud to play over > seventy per cent of it without missing notes and screaming in > frustration, although that F# business is something I'd like to have a > talk with Cesar about.   ARRGHH! Glenda! You don't hear it much because it is (according to my old teacher John Forshaw, who played it and played it well, being blessed with large hands) far and away the most difficult Franck piece. The section (where the Trompette is added to the Swell) with the awkward stretches in both hands simultaneously as you play two-against-three is a truly nasty ordeal to get through -- of course, one maintains the legato scrupulously = as hands and mind cry out in pain.   And after all that work you get a sombre piece that doesn't impress most audiences. I think it is the Franck piece I most admire, but I sure understand why so few people play it.   MAF    
(back) Subject: Re: Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:21:51 -0500   On 1/19/04 1:44 PM, "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> wrote:   > at the end of the third verse, there are certain notes of the refrain = that are > held onto very long, creating a dramatic effect. It really is a very = stirring > song and I love hearing it sung by a big congregation.   Wanting to get the sense of what you're saying. My book shows a tune by = J. Rosamond Johnson. Died in 1954. Triple meter, virtually all 1/8, 1/8, = 1/8, dotted quarter, etc. But I don't see a refrain at all. Am I looking at = the wrong music?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Franck's and others' Prieres From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:37:00 -0500   Here's a question: What other organ composers have written a "Priere" or "Prayer" that you like? Jongen wrote two that I know of; I especially like the one from Quatre Pieces. Litaize has one in his Douze Pieces, but it is a little too dramatic, if I'm remember correctly, for liturgical use (at least in my church). Messaien's Pri=E8re du Christ montant vers son P=E8re comes to mind. Also Alain's Litanies, which in his notes he describes as a prayer, I think.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu         on 1/19/04 2:16 PM, M Fox at ophicleide16@direcway.com wrote:   >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> >>=20 >> It's funny, but you don't hear the "Priere" much in recital. My life >> went on, until one day when I found Richard Elliott's recording at the >> Mormon Tabernacle, which included - well, you guessed it. I was again >> (oh, but maybe it was first love - who knows?) smitten, and actually >> went to the church and played through it. I was proud to play over >> seventy per cent of it without missing notes and screaming in >> frustration, although that F# business is something I'd like to have a >> talk with Cesar about. >=20 > ARRGHH! Glenda! You don't hear it much because it is (according to my old > teacher John Forshaw, who played it and played it well, being blessed wit= h > large hands) far and away the most difficult Franck piece. The section > (where the Trompette is added to the Swell) with the awkward stretches in > both hands simultaneously as you play two-against-three is a truly nasty > ordeal to get through -- of course, one maintains the legato scrupulously= as > hands and mind cry out in pain. >=20 > And after all that work you get a sombre piece that doesn't impress most > audiences. I think it is the Franck piece I most admire, but I sure > understand why so few people play it. >=20 > MAF >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20 >=20    
(back) Subject: Re: Clergy Wedding Fees -- a "retraction" if you will From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:48:13 -0600   Not only are the ministers paid for weddings in every church I have ever attended or served - but that is one of the 3 things the GROOM and his family are responsible for - paying the minister, gifts for the groomsmen, and the rehearsal dinner.   (If you were a southern belle, you would know that...)    
(back) Subject: Re: Pr.....toots??? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:52:17 -0500   On 1/17/04 1:25 PM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   >> At 12:15 AM 1/17/04, you wrote: >>> As for the suggestion "Why would people want to get married in a = different >>> church? Let them get married in their own!" >> >> You are assuming that they go to church. > > Well, and not just that. Sometimes we've had couples that want to get = married > and (for example) the Catholic church won't marry them for one reason or > another (divorced couple, or one isn't RC, or whatever). So, they find = a nice > Lutheran church that can do the ceremony (in our case, that is). I've = had > couples choose our church just because it's pretty. OK, I can deal with = that.   Happens all the time. And I can deal with it too. Saint Luke's is almost = a "branch" (less hardnosed) of Holy Cross, Holy Name of Jesus, and St. Malachy's. We essentially "do" all their difficult weddings--and have = done so for several generations.   However, I think it should be more an evangelism opportunity than a quasi-Roman "Wedding Chapel." If Rome has told them to "take a hike," = MAYBE we should be doing the same. Or (better, of course) welcoming them big time. And after a year of regular participation, maybe talk about a wedding, if they still want one. > > However, I will say that maybe less than 1% of the couples that weren't > members ever came back to worship with us again. > I'm sure we've never risen to the glorified heights of 1%. But if Rome won't have them any more, aren't they a totally fair target for us? Don't we want to offer more than just 20-minute wedding? That perfunctory = little wedding certainly isn't working as an evangelistic (or any other kind of) tool. What IS our real responsibility? To Rome? To the couple? To our own mission?   Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: Franck's and others' Prieres From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:54:30 -0500     There is the "Priere a Notre Dame", the second movement from Leon=20 Boellman's "Suite Gothique"   Bob Conway   At 02:37 PM 1/19/2004, Randy Runyon wrote: >Here's a question: What other organ composers have written a "Priere" or >"Prayer" that you like? Jongen wrote two that I know of; I especially like >the one from Quatre Pieces. Litaize has one in his Douze Pieces, but it is >a little too dramatic, if I'm remember correctly, for liturgical use (at >least in my church). Messaien's Pri=E8re du Christ montant vers son P=E8re >comes to mind. Also Alain's Litanies, which in his notes he describes as a >prayer, I think.      
(back) Subject: OOHPS! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:00:49 -0500   At 02:54 PM 1/19/2004, I wrote:   >There is the "Priere a Notre Dame", the second movement from Leon=20 >Boellman's "Suite Gothique" > >Bob Conway     I have just looked it up, and the piece is the third movement of Leon=20 Boellmann's "Suite Gothique".   Bob     >At 02:37 PM 1/19/2004, Randy Runyon wrote: >>Here's a question: What other organ composers have written a "Priere" or >>"Prayer" that you like? Jongen wrote two that I know of; I especially= like >>the one from Quatre Pieces. Litaize has one in his Douze Pieces, but it= is >>a little too dramatic, if I'm remember correctly, for liturgical use (at >>least in my church). Messaien's Pri=E8re du Christ montant vers son P=E8r= e >>comes to mind. Also Alain's Litanies, which in his notes he describes as= a >>prayer, I think. > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Prostitutes??? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:02:14 -0500   On 1/17/04 8:35 PM, "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> wrote:   > Boy, Jeff. I don't know which Lutheran Church you go to, but mine will = not > allow our church to be used unless one of the intendeds are members of = the > church. BTW, I belong to an LCMS congregaton.   Well, Jim, it's nothing to be happy about, or proud of, but probably MOST ELCA parishes get pretty loose and casual about all that.   I'm ELCA, but am pretty LCMS-friendly, and agree with your implied criticism.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Vicar of Dibley From: "Mark Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:03:02 -0500   Bob,   Where in the world did you find that setting of Psalm 23?!?! I looked all over the world for it about three years ago & couldn't track it down. I ended up just notating it on my own, but the Psalm isn't complete on the show. Let me know more info, Please, please, please!!!   Pretty Please!   Mark   Mark L. Hopper Associate Minister of Music and Organist The First Baptist Church 205 West Winder Street PO Box 75 Henderson, NC 27536 Church-(252) 438-3172 Home-(252) 492-6774 Fax-(252) 438-3710 markhopper@ncol.net        
(back) Subject: Re: Pr . . . toot??? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:12:28 -0500   On 1/17/04 8:41 PM, "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> wrote:   > Let's keep this discussion in perspective and not compare it to illegal > activity.   I agree with your points, Mike. But (illegal) "prostitution" (in the = sexual sense, which is, of course NOT ALWAYS illegal) is not at all what I had in mind when I (first instance, I think) used the word. I was thinking (I think obviously) of "artistic prostitution"--say, a great artist taking money for something that is obviously "beneath his art." "Selling his soul," in a sense. (I should have picked a better word. But what other word IS there for what I had in mind?)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Vicar of Dibley From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:33:39 EST   In a message dated 1/19/04 3:04:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, = mlhopper@msn.com writes:   << Where in the world did you find that setting of Psalm 23?!?! I looked = all over the world for it about three years ago & couldn't track it down. I ended up just notating it on my own, but the Psalm isn't complete on the show. Let me know more info, Please, please, please!!! >>   Try here:   <A HREF=3D"http://www.dunedinmethodist.org.nz/wshp/dbly.htm">Click here: = The Vicar of Dibley theme - (Practical Dreamers Drop-In Centre)</A>  
(back) Subject: Re: Vicar of Dibley From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:45:31 -0600   Try this link: http://www.dunedinmethodist.org.nz/wshp/dbly.htm .   Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: <ContraReed@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Vicar of Dibley     > In a message dated 1/19/04 3:04:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlhopper@msn.com > writes: > > << Where in the world did you find that setting of Psalm 23?!?! I = looked all > over the world for it about three years ago & couldn't track it down. = I > ended up just notating it on my own, but the Psalm isn't complete on = the > show. Let me know more info, Please, please, please!!! >> > > Try here: > > <A HREF=3D"http://www.dunedinmethodist.org.nz/wshp/dbly.htm">Click = here: The > Vicar of Dibley theme - (Practical Dreamers Drop-In Centre)</A> > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: Pr . . . toots??? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:51:04 -0500   On 1/17/04 8:46 PM, "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> wrote:   > Hey, here's a thought. Take one of your wedding party people that hasn't = paid > for a thing, go to their place of business, ask to use their services, th= en > tell them not to send you a bill, because since payment for your services= is > optional, you should have the luxury of doing the same thing for their > services. What do you think they might say, after stammering for an answe= r? >=20 > Wouldn't that be nice to turn the tables like that? >=20 Mike, I like it. =20   It might be a hard case to make, though, morally. My parents (not church employees, but Sunday School teachers, Council members, Bible Study leaders= , volunteers for everything, and so on forever, for 40+ years) always put a tithe or better in the offering plate.   If they'd been billed for my brother's wedding, or my ordination, our our confirmations, they'd have been surprised, but would have paid promptly. Point: They FAR more than "paid their way," consistently, in the life of the parishes they belonged to over the decades. Weddings of my nieces were in church, but NO caterer; receptions were in church basement or back yard at home, with everything (even the cake) home-made by family and friends. No bands. I took the snapshots. NOT for poverty! by any means=8Bit was just the way we DO things!   I can't imagine that they were ever billed for ANYthing, from my Baptism to my grandparents=B9 funerals. But I imagine they donated $500 or $1000 to the home parish when my brother was married, and again when I was ordained. As the two of US did on the occasions of their funerals. (We bought a 16' Posaune for the new organ when our dad died; reminded us of his hymnsinging= , except he had only one pipe.)   It's just been my universal experience that that's what people DO!   Realistically, of course, it's NOT always that way.   What to do about it? A two-or-more "tier" system of membership and stewardship? Them what don't do their part pay big cash up front for weddings and funerals? (I don't like it--but it has a certain attraction, doesn't it?) Or a welfare system, where the poor old mentally-challenged lady on Social Security (or less) gets a free funeral? I don't KNOW any "fair" solution. Perhaps there isn't one. Maybe =B3church=B2 isn=B9t BUILT on =B3fair.=B2 =20   We could charge non-member families REALLY BIG FEES. They'll never come back anyway; who cares what they think of us? But what do WE think of us? Are we back to pr....toot again? (A dozen years ago--last time I inquired--wedding planning at St. Patrick's Cathedral NYC started with $970 payment, and went up from there as planning continued.)   Alan, with no answers          
(back) Subject: new pipe organ From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:54:54 EST   Has anyone been on the Holmberg ClockWorks site lately?   They have crossed the line to building a real organ! See it on the = following website.   Stan Krider   http://www.holmbergclockworks.com/continuo.html  
(back) Subject: Franck's Andantino in g From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:31:47 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Dear pipechatters,   Cesar Franck's "Andantino" in g minor isn't published by Durand & fils, who alegedly published all of "Pa" Franck's organ works, and is rather seldom to find it seems. I have found in on the Sheet Music = TM "French Romantic Organ works" and it was great to play in the funeral I = had this early afternoon.   Can anybody tell me if this little gem is an earlier or late (maybe posthomous) work?- It has some Tchaikovskij/Rimski-Korsakoff influence in = my appreciation, but is very 'Franckian' in the sense that a) to play it legato as desired = by the composer you need steam showel hands (I have, fortunatedly <G>), b) = his preferences for outlined, 'cantabile' melodies and their extensive development is present as ever.   Thanks in advance! Yours Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.      
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings with Malcolm involvement From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:34:20 -0500   On 1/17/04 9:02 PM, "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > One more question for Alan..........just curious, that's all. You seemed > quite firm that ONLY members of your parish could be married there.   Well, pretty generally, anyway. At least ONE of them.   > I don't mean to be snide, but most of this list knows of one couple that = got > married there last year that were not members, were they? Had a very > well-known organist, too, as I recall, that is NOT your church's regular > organist.   Alan fumbles onward:   Very good, Dennis. And you are certainly right. Both bride and groom had been married before, but we still insisted on working through their home clergy. No =B3quicky=B2 counseling. No shortcuts. (Quite the opposite, in fact!) Bride=B9s minister (for scheduling reasons) counseled at that end, an= d only then did we accept the wedding=8B=B3on behalf,=B2 essentially, of their own home congregations. Bride had attended St. Luke=B9s on a number of occasions over several years (whenever she was in town); Pastor had not even MET the groom, but knew the bride well. By e-mail, he and I both =B3knew=B2 the groom better than one might think.   Our organist was treated with similar respect. He very graciously (albeit informally, through me, personally, and with the conniving and machinations of Malcolm the Sly, who became Best Man!) invited the guest organist to tak= e the bench. =20   I=B9d call it one of those exceptions that always occur. Unusual, for sure (because the only family members of bride or groom were HERE, not in their home communities FAR south, and re-locatable only at GREAT expense). And w= e did chew over it for several weeks. Lots of e-mail; lots of planning. Eve= n some soul-searching. I=B9m happy to say that under similar (rare) circumstances Pastor and I would do it again, the same way.   Your inquiry is by NO means snide or otherwise unwelcome or inappropriate! Back in World War 2 our church was NYC site of Lutheran Servicemen=B9s Center= ; we had a lot of weddings of military folk=8B=B3on behalf of=B2 their home parishe= s in Wisconsin, Illinois, etc., with whom we snail-mailed=8Bto local girls who may or may not have been our members, or even Lutheran. (But they had to b= e baptized!) =20   Thanks for asking!   Alan        
(back) Subject: Re: Charlie's funeral organist From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:52:40 EST   Richard, It was Stravinsky who got in trouble over the National Anthem in Boston during WW II. Evidently, it was a crime at the time to lampoon it, and the = Brahmin audiences at Symphony Hall evidently found his arrangement a lampooning = indeed (although it was not intended that way). I have heard it in a recording, = and is sounds, well, like Stravinsky. Supposedly, he was arrested by the = Boston Police and booked, although that HAS to be apocryphal. Koussevitsky would = have been the BSO Artistic Director at the time.   Cheers, Bill H.    
(back) Subject: Re: Wanted: Music Critiques! (a little bit off topic...) From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@sbarker.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:56:12 +0000   Yep, you're quite right... go to http://www.sibelius.com/scorch to download it!   Steve Canterbury UK   Cole wrote:   > I believe the Scorch (Sibelius plugin for browsers) is free to > download and use.      
(back) Subject: Re: Pro . . . Toot ??? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:14:05 -0500   On 1/17/04 11:11 PM, "Gfc234@aol.com" <Gfc234@aol.com> wrote:   WHY IN THE WORLD SHOULD WE EVER WORK FOR FREE????????? OR BE MADE TO FEEL GUILTY FOR ASKING FOR A FEE. THIS IS A PROFESSION.   Amen, for sure! =20   Gregory: Maybe I=B9m being hypersensitive, but, since I was so shabby a correspondent as to allow myself to appear to suggest that a wedding organist should not be paid, let me clarify, if I may.   I=B9d prefer that musicians be paid not by the bride and groom, but by the parish! And paid well=3D=3Dreal well, if the parish VALUES its musician! (He shouldn=B9t have to =B3dicker=B2 and whine, and pursue, and wonder about this check, and WAIT for it!) I think I=B9m pressing for a HIGHER (not lower) level of professional status of the musician. His boss pays him. (From th= e wedding party, he should [and may or may not, eventually] get a very decent gratuity, but that=B9s not his PAY.)   When I have a plumber come to mess with my furnace (especially THIS lovely month), I call the COMPANY that employs him. That company bills me, and I pay. I also give a tip ($10 to $30) to the guy who does the job. But his real EARNINGS come from =B3Riverdale Home Services=B2 (or whatever it is). (Actually, physically, the guy MAY collect the US Currency from me, and tak= e it back to the shop=8Bbut it goes to the company, not to him. In actual practice, he usually hands me a bill, and I call the shop [even before he gets back there] and authorize payment from my credit card.) (Yes, I have the guy=B9s home phone number, and we could do a run-around, avoiding his rea= l boss. Is there a moral issue there? Actually I DO that, but only for jobs NOT within the purview of his company. Norwegians have SOME principles!--unlike at least one California mortuary.)   I honestly think it=B9s far more professional that way, and hope you=B9ll agree= , out loud. =20   Alan        
(back) Subject: Re: Prostitutes??? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:19:10 -0500   On 1/18/04 2:01 AM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   > Think about this though....if an unchurched couple gets married in the = eyes of > the Lord in a church, isn't that at least good that they got IN there in = the > first place? Just something to chew on...   Let me know when your teeth are tired. (Seriously.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Wanted: Music Critiques! (a little bit off topic...) From: <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:27:40 -0700   From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@sbarker.net> (that address bounced)   >For the last couple of months I've been working on a setting of the Eucharist for Unison voices and organ, for a choir festival later in the year (about 400 choristers). Having just about finished the first complete version, I'd quite like some volunteers to give me some feedback - hopefully a mixture of both positive and constructive!   I'd like a copy, in .pdf. If I like it can I use it? I have a friend who = also might be interested.