PipeChat Digest #4235 - Monday, January 19, 2004
 
Re: Franck's and others' Prieres
  by "Frances Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net>
OT - Anglo-catholic church seeks priest
  by <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca>
Re: Clergy Wedding Fees -- a "retraction" if you will
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re:  Vicar of Dibley
  by "Mark Quarmby" <mark_quarmby@yahoo.com>
Funerals, etc.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Pri=E8res
  by "Robert Nickel" <rnickel@charter.net>
Re: Vicar of Dibley
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
RE: Vicar of Dibley
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
weddings, fees, organists, et. al.
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
priere
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Philadelphia Organ 4tet? (x-posted)
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: priere
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Pr . . . Tutti????
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Money for weddings
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Money for weddings
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
"Prayer" for Organ
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Star Spangled Banner
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
RE: Franck Priere (was [LONG] Favorite composers, favorite performers, an
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
RE: Clergy Wedding Fees -- a "retraction" if you will
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Franck's and others' Prieres From: "Frances Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:40:06 -0800   Preiere a Notre Dame in the Gothic Suite by Boellmann. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Franck's and others' Prieres     Here's a question: What other organ composers have written a "Priere" or "Prayer" that you like? Jongen wrote two that I know of; I especially = like the one from Quatre Pieces. Litaize has one in his Douze Pieces, but it = is a little too dramatic, if I'm remember correctly, for liturgical use (at least in my church). Messaien's Pri=E8re du Christ montant vers son = P=E8re comes to mind. Also Alain's Litanies, which in his notes he describes as = a prayer, I think.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu         on 1/19/04 2:16 PM, M Fox at ophicleide16@direcway.com wrote:   > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> >> >> It's funny, but you don't hear the "Priere" much in recital. My life >> went on, until one day when I found Richard Elliott's recording at the >> Mormon Tabernacle, which included - well, you guessed it. I was again >> (oh, but maybe it was first love - who knows?) smitten, and actually >> went to the church and played through it. I was proud to play over >> seventy per cent of it without missing notes and screaming in >> frustration, although that F# business is something I'd like to have a >> talk with Cesar about. > > ARRGHH! Glenda! You don't hear it much because it is (according to my = old > teacher John Forshaw, who played it and played it well, being blessed = with > large hands) far and away the most difficult Franck piece. The section > (where the Trompette is added to the Swell) with the awkward stretches = in > both hands simultaneously as you play two-against-three is a truly nasty > ordeal to get through -- of course, one maintains the legato = scrupulously as > hands and mind cry out in pain. > > And after all that work you get a sombre piece that doesn't impress most > audiences. I think it is the Franck piece I most admire, but I sure > understand why so few people play it. > > MAF > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: OT - Anglo-catholic church seeks priest From: <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:45:36 -0700   I just found out that our promised new priest isn't going to serve our = parish as expected (some nightmare bureaucratic mixup), and as we will = shortly be losing access to our interim priest (more bureaucracy) we need = a replacement fairly quickly. I will have access to the official "parish = description" and whatnot fairly quickly but I wanted to get the word out = right away in case anybody is aware of interest.   Briefly: St. Stephen the Martyr is a small parish served by a small wooden = church (seats about 300) in Edmonton, Alberta Canada.   Here is a job posting : = http://community.anglican.ca/jobs/job.php?jobFile=3D2004-03-01_job3ffc710fa= 8f06.par   The service is Book of Common Prayer. We use the old black hymn book (the = red book is considered heresy). There are total of four services on = Sunday (8:30 low mass, 9:30 morning prayer, 10:00 choral Eucharist and = 7:00 p.m Evensong). I'll post more about the 10:00 service in a separate = post/rant.   The congregation is well versed in theology. A previous priest held a = lecture session on the early Vatican Councels, expecting one or two people = - the entire congregation showed up. It's a High "smells and bells" = Anglo-Catholic tradition.   Interested parties can email me direct and I will pass it on to the = appropriate parties, or respond to the ad above.   J. W. Bruce Shaw Organist and Choir Master St. Stephen the Martyr (Anglo-Catholic) Edmonton, AB, CANADA    
(back) Subject: Re: Clergy Wedding Fees -- a "retraction" if you will From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:55:14 -0500   On 1/19/04 12:35 PM, "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> wrote:   > I heard privately from an Episcopalian friend that in that denomination, > clergy are not paid by the church to perform weddings and funerals. >=20 > The person who told me about this said that the rector at his church expl= ained > that in the Episcopal Church, marriage is one of the church's sacraments,= and > priests are not supposed to (or allowed to, in his thinking) to charge a = fee or accept money for the administration of a sacrament. It's just that simple. =20   Almost. Actually, I think only a (good-sized) minority of Episcopal priest= s regard matrimony as a sacrament. That rector may have been =B3expanding=B2 his understanding to include more parishes than he served. But regardless of the =B3terminology,=B2 I think the same principle applies.   > However, if the wedding couple would still like to do *something* for the > priest, they are free to contribute to the church priests' discretionary = fund.   A fine practice indeed. And not just a cop-out, either.   > I, not being from the Episcopal / Anglican / Catholic tradition, did not = know > this. I was raised Southern Baptist and most of my church jobs have been = in > Methodist churches, although I have been a "Surrogate Lutheran" for almos= t 15 > years now --- and I will say that AFAIK the Lutheran Church, both ELCA an= d > LCMS --- at least, the ones I have been affiliated with (trying like mad = to cover my a## with disclaimers!), does not have this same policy.   Well, our =B3considering=B2 is done quite locally. Hard to draw broad lines about it. I=B9d say that Lutherans don=B9t have that broad policy by force, bu= t surely SHOULD have it, on a local level. And I=B9d hope for the same among the ethically alert Baptists and Methodists as well.   > Yes, the church does recognize marriage as a sacrament but I do not belie= ve > it's considered the pastor's "bounden duty" to conduct marriage ceremonie= s as > part of his ministry.   Confusing. Which =B3church=B2 =B3does=B2? Lutheranism does allow that interpretation=8Bbut it=B9s very rarely asserted. But his letter of call DOES require him to perform weddings within his parish=8Balways subject to his pastoral judgment. But not necessily just for people who walk in off the street. But his pastoral judgment is the determinant, in ANY case.   > "Live and Learn." >=20 Same for all of us, Charlie. You should be different?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Vicar of Dibley From: "Mark Quarmby" <mark_quarmby@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:16:36 +1100   The Psalm 23 music by Howard Goodall from the "Vicar of Dibley" is publishe= d by Faber Music http://www.fabermusic.com =A91994 and this SATB/organ or piano arrangement =A92000   ISBN 0-571-52048-0   Cheers,   Mark    
(back) Subject: Funerals, etc. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:29:36 -0500   Charlie:   Just heard from the bishop's office. Apparently they get mail at home too, even on a holiday. Not the reply I hoped for, but I'm being forthright wit= h you (not about to falsify it, though it would be easy, of course). I'm ashamed that he writes in all caps. (He is fluent in five or six languages= , and regularly conducts services in at least four of them; but in all caps???) ANYway: =20   DEAR ALAN,   GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU. YOUR QUESTION IS AN IMPORTANT ONE, BUT THE ANSWER I= S NOT SO EASY, AS THE PRACTICE VARIES FROM CONGREGATION TO CONGREGATION AND I= T IS NOT CLEAR IN THE LETTER OF CALL. YES, FUNERALS (AND I GUESS SOME WOULD ALSO SAY WEDDINGS) ARE PART OF REGULAR PARISH MINISTRY, BUT THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE PART OF THE CALL LETTER IS UP TO CONSIDERABLE DEBATE.   THIS PROBABLY DOES NOT HELP AT ALL, BUT YOU ASKED.   BEST REGARDS,   So, that's where it is for the moment. I'm NOT satisfied with this reply. Maybe I should write to the presiding bishop's office in Chicago. Ma=F1ana.   Alan      
(back) Subject: Pri=E8res From: "Robert Nickel" <rnickel@charter.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:12:45 -0600   Subject: Franck's and others' Prieres From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:37:00 -0500   Here's a question: What other organ composers have written a "Priere" = or "Prayer" that you like?=20   >>>>>>>>I have a book titled SHORT & EASY PIECES FOR ORGAN (ed. C. H. Trevor). In it, there is an "Interlude" by Charles Alexis Chauvet (1837-1871). Although it is short (16 measures), it is a sweet little = piece that reminds me of Franck's "Pri=E8re." This "Interlude" may come from = a larger work, although my knowledge in this area is limited. =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Vicar of Dibley From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:33:22 +0800   Yes, that's right, Bill. The series made quite a hit here. Bob E.   ---- Original Message ---- From: DERREINETOR@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org, Subject: Re: Vicar of Dibley Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:24:29 EST   >Bob, >If I were the rotund Vicar, I'd be flattered to be compared to Dawn >French. >It was Dawn French, wasn't it, who played in the "Vicar of Dibley"? >Bill H. >    
(back) Subject: RE: Vicar of Dibley From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:35:17 +0800   I got it from one of our music houses which ordered it from overseas. I think a post from Mark Quarmby will give you the name of the publisher. I had nno trouble getting it. Bob E.   ---- Original Message ---- From: mlhopper@msn.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org, Subject: RE: Vicar of Dibley Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:03:02 -0500   >Bob, > >Where in the world did you find that setting of Psalm 23?!?! I >looked all >over the world for it about three years ago & couldn't track it >down. I >ended up just notating it on my own, but the Psalm isn't complete on >the >show. Let me know more info, Please, please, please!!! > >Pretty Please! > >Mark > >Mark L. Hopper >Associate Minister of Music and Organist >The First Baptist Church >205 West Winder Street >PO Box 75 >Henderson, NC 27536 >Church-(252) 438-3172 >Home-(252) 492-6774 >Fax-(252) 438-3710 >markhopper@ncol.net > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: weddings, fees, organists, et. al. From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:53:48 -0600   Alan replied: "Your inquiry is by NO means snide or otherwise unwelcome = or inappropriate!"   Alan, I think you and I are not so very far apart. Your tradition is much more formal and liturgical than mine, but taking that into account, what I tend to hear/see is like this:   1. Alan's Policy: Firm and strict, but with potential for exceptions.   2. Dennis' Policy: Looser to begin with, so we come out about the same place!   As for "fees" and "honoraria" paid to clergypersons officiating at = weddings, my experience has been this--again, low church, "casual" denominations of informal Midwesterners and southerners: I do not set a "fee" or "honorarium" for a wedding; I do give a suggested range for services to non-members--and suggest the higher end of the range for larger weddings.   I do not "charge" for members, though they usually ask, and are given the same ranges for honoraria with the explicit note that I do not consider it necessary as it is part of my pastoral ministry to them.   That being said, virtually everyone, member or not, does provide an honorarium. It would be seen as a faux pas NOT to do that--just as in = some communions, it is customary to give the officiant at the baptism a gift (definitely NOT a part of my tradition!).   The interesting part of the equation to me is that folks who are worse off economically, usually "pay" the best--by far! As "working folk," they = know the value of a dollar or a service, and don't object. They give not only out of "first hand knowledge," but also out of grateful appreciation, and = in some cases an old tradition that God's servants desire to be honored and appreciated.   Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats    
(back) Subject: priere From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:00:48 -0500   In a message dated 1/19/2004 3:00:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, = conwayb@sympatico.ca writes: > >At 02:37 PM 1/19/2004, Randy Runyon wrote: > >>Here's a question: What other organ composers have written a "Priere" = or > >>"Prayer" that you like? Jongen wrote two that I know of; I especially = like > >>the one from Quatre Pieces. Litaize has one in his Douze Pieces, but = it is > >>a little too dramatic, if I'm remember correctly, for liturgical use = (at > >>least in my church). Messaien's Pri=E8re du Christ montant vers son = P=E8re > >>comes to mind. Also Alain's Litanies, which in his notes > he describes as a > >>prayer, I think. > > There's also Franck's Priere. Quite a lengthy prayer if you ask me! Merry Foxworth   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia Organ 4tet? (x-posted) From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:07:16 -0500   In a message dated 1/11/2004 4:17:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, = pnst.shirley@verizon.net writes: > Do any of you know if the Philadelphia Organ Quartet is still around? = This 4tet > consisted of Peter Conte, Michael Stairs, Rudy Lucente, and Colin (don't =   > remember his last name - he's a former organist at Coral Ridge). They = used > whatever organ(s) were available in a performance hall and added Allens = to > complete the foursome. > I've never heard them, but with that crew, a program HAS to > be a lot of fun.   Are they the same ones who played at the breakfast meeting at the = Philadelphia convention in 2002? Merry Foxworth   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: priere From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:09:22 -0500     >>> > There's also Franck's Priere. Quite a lengthy prayer if you ask me! > Merry Foxworth   For sure, but that's the one that, in Glenda's post, got me thinking about this in the first place. I could add to the list Bach's, and anyone = else's (e.g., Langlais') setting of Unser Vater. But I'm particularly interested in organ pieces that have for their title just the single word "Priere" = (in any language). So far I can count only Franck, Litaize, and Jongen (2). Boellmann's is a fine piece, but it's a more specific prayer (as of course is Bach's). I'm looking, you might say, for generic "Prayer"'s.   As for Franck's length, you are quite right. Reminds me of some "Pastoral Prayers" that were longer than some sermons! Maybe, what with his lustful thoughts concerning Augusta Holmes, he had a lot to pray about.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Pr . . . Tutti???? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:08:06 -0500   On 1/17/04 1:15 AM, "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> wrote:   > Per the rather sanguine suggestion that organists who (reasonably) expect= to > get paid for their services are PROSTITUTES ... Well, I'll withhold the b= arbed > repart=E9e poised on my tongue... >=20 Well, I appreciate your generosity. I guess I've written carelessly. I hope subsequent posts have clarified that. IF NOT, PLEASE let me know.   > As for the suggestion "Why would people want to get married in a differen= t > church? Let them get married in their own!" >=20 > There are a thousand reasons why.   Yes, there are. And perfectly good ones, too. Maybe not =B3a thousand,=B2 but surely more than enough. I've posted on that one (I agree). >=20 > 1. Their own church is too large / too small.   You=B9re right; I posted on that one, and if you didn=B9t get it, PLEASE let me know and I=B9ll send it to you. >=20 > 2. Their own church is inconvenient for most people who will be attending= ..   That=B9s true too. It happens. I had one wedding on a yacht in the middle o= f the Hudson. Another at the United Nations =B3Church.=B2 Another on Liberty Island, at the foot of the Statue. And another on the 107th floor of the World Trade Center. Hey, I=B9m a flexible guy. >=20 > 3. They do not have "their own church" but want to get married in one for > reasons of their own. ("Judged not, that ye be not judged...")   Oh, FAR BE IT from a clergyperson to JUDGE! Oh, he/she must not do THAT!! (Don=B9t get me going.)   > 4. Their own church is ugly, or doesn't have an organ, or whatever. The c= hurch > I mentioned in my last post was a beautiful, historic, picturesque old br= ick > church on a hill in rural Maryland -- many people specifically wanted to = use > that church because of its picture-perfect setting.   Keyword: =B3Use.=B2 I=B9m turned majorly OFF. =B3Picture-perfect=B2? Ok. Join it= , and support it. Big time. >=20 > 5. Their own church does not look favorably upon their union for whatever > reason [mixed faiths, previous marriage/divorce, etc.], so they have to f= ind > another more-tolerant church that WILL marry them.   And then affiliate with it, of course. And, after a year or two, decide that this is where they want to marry? >=20 > 6. Their father / mother is a pastor and they want to get married by Mom = or > Dad even though they do go to their own church.   You betcha. I covered that (I=B9m told =B3graciously=B2) in an earlier post; if you didn=B9t get it, please say so and I=B9ll find it and send it to you. >=20 > 7. The fee at their church for weddings is too high, and the church up th= e > street offers a better deal.   Well, one should look for the best deal. But that=B9s a cheap shot on MY part. Likely some of my most recent posts have covered most of this. If not, ASK!   And BYE THEEE WEIGH: I should say a word of thanks for the owners of this list, who have been VERY gracious as we go on about this stuff. It=B9s tied to organist compensation of course=8Bbut sometimes only just barely! They (and the listers generally) have been very gracious about all this. Speaking personally: My gratitude to you ALL! (Very seriously.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Money for weddings From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:19:37 -0500   On 1/17/04 3:20 AM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   > I also disagree with this. Weddings and funerals are outside of the sala= ry, > and there may be churches where this is included. However, I've never wo= rked > for one. And, I will most likely NEVER will. Unless you can guarantee a > certain number of weddings per year (and funerals), how can you say that'= s > part of the job? Baptisms are free, but I rarely see any music connected= with > them unless it's part of the full worship service. >=20 I=B9m a BIT surprised, Jeff. There can never be a guarantee of =B3how many.=B2 My ideal contract would say =B3XXXXX per year, plus XXXX per wedding or funeral (or whatever).=B2 And you get it from the parish, not from some people you=B9ve never seen before. Thus, YES, =B3outside the salary,=B2 but =B3guaranteed by the congregation,=B2 not by people you=B9ve never heard of, and whom you have to chase after, and =B3hope=B2 they come through, and their check is good. About baptisms, Yes, at least within the context of the Sunday liturgy. =20   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Money for weddings From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:37:19 -0500   On 1/17/04 3:22 AM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   > Alan, whatcha smokin'? >=20 > I=B9ll never tell!=20 >=20 > In St. Louis, it is NOT up to the church. And no bride's father or moth= er is > going to tell me HOW to do my job. The bridal couple selects the music *= I* > present to them, with various choices. If they have already an idea of w= hat > they want, it just means a shorter meeting. I would be very surprised if= the > majority of churches have anything different. (And leave the Lutherans o= ut of > it...we're no different than anyone else.) >=20 > Totally agree, Jeff! I said: =B3He/She should be paid, and paid WELL, but= by > the=20 > (presumably-countable-onable) congregation, not the indefinable =93users=94 o= f > his/her talents on various occasions. >=20 > I don=B9t THINK I said anything about =B3up to the church,=B2 but if I WERE to = do > so, I=B9d say that musician compensation for a wedding is up to agreement > between musician and parish, arrived at 18 months or so prior. No? >=20 > Why should you have to be dependent on haggling with a bunch of heathens = at > the door? Hoping they pay? Hoping their check is good? Forget that! Y= OU do > what YOU know how to do, and KNOW that your parish is going to pay you, a= s > always, on time. No. >=20 > Alan >=20 > Jeff >=20      
(back) Subject: "Prayer" for Organ From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:38:07 EST   "Prayer" by Joseph Jongen is one of my favorite pieces and not nearly as difficult as Franck's although, it too, is not "easy."   I wonder if pieces with the title "Meditation" are of interest to Mr. = Runyon. (If so, there are many which could be added to a new list of Prayers and Meditations).   Today, on a recent Pipedreams internet replay program, I was reminded of a =   marvelous piece which Dr. John Obetz aired on THE AUDITORIUM ORGAN many = times: the "Meditation a Ste. Clothilde" by Philip James (which quotes fragments = from the D minor orchestral symphony of Cesar Franck; it is moving and powerful, = yet it subsides to a gentle breeze, like it begins).   "Prelude on a Franck Motif" by Gordon Young is a lovely gem, as well, = quoting fragments from "Cantabile" which is also a wonderful prayer.   Dale G. Rider, M. Sacred Mus., CAGO* Organist (appointed October, 2003) Northern Boulevard United Methodist Church Independence, Missouri 64050 Member --Volunteer Organ Staff Community of Christ (ReorganizedLDS) World Headquarters Independence, Missouri 64051 Auditorium Organ - AEolian-Skinner (1959) 4m/113 rks Temple Organ - Casavant Freres, Ltd. (1993) 4m/102 rks (tracker) Life Member Hymn Society in the United States and Canada *Colleague (CAGO) and Service Playing Certificates Greater Kansas City Chapter (Dean, 1982-'83) American Guild of Organists    
(back) Subject: Star Spangled Banner From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:40:24 EST   >Help me on this... Was it Koussevitzky or Shostakovich who decided to "reward" the audiences in Boston with a fresh arrangement of the National Anthem?<   Must have been Koussevitzky. If the Bostonians didn't get him Stalin = would have had him shot when he got home.    
(back) Subject: RE: Franck Priere (was [LONG] Favorite composers, favorite performers, and odometer readings From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:39:33 -0600   Wouldn't the fact that it is so blooming hard be an attraction for some recitalists? I will admit that the two-against-three was my kryptonite, even more so than the key signatures. But it is so lovely.   I used to wonder, before I tried it, why everyone complained about Franck. Ah, the naivete of youth - I'm much older now.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of M Fox   ARRGHH! Glenda! You don't hear it much because it is (according to my old teacher John Forshaw, who played it and played it well, being blessed with large hands) far and away the most difficult Franck piece. The section (where the Trompette is added to the Swell) with the awkward stretches in both hands simultaneously as you play two-against-three is a truly nasty ordeal to get through -- of course, one maintains the legato scrupulously as hands and mind cry out in pain.          
(back) Subject: RE: Clergy Wedding Fees -- a "retraction" if you will From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:51:53 -0500   > I heard privately from an Episcopalian friend that in that = denomination,=20 > clergy are not paid by the church to perform weddings and funerals. >=20 > The person who told me about this said that the rector at his church = explained=20 > that in the Episcopal Church, marriage is one of the church's = sacraments, and=20 > priests are not supposed to (or allowed to, in his thinking) to charge = a fee=20 > or accept money for the administration of a sacrament. It's just that = simple. =20   It's a good parochial principle, and perhaps applicable to clergy as = part of a full-time responsibility. .   But I would feel ill-used if it applied to me as a part-time musician. = This isn't just a matter of what to do with time on my hands. I would = now, as often in the past, need to drive approximately 45 minutes to the = church and 45 minutes back. That's more time, as well, as out-of-pocket = auto expenses. Furthermore, it's probably time-- almost half a day-- = taken off from the regular job that I need to put my food on the table. = If this laudable generosity is part of the parish's interface with those = needing its services, fine. But unless the musician is full-time (and = probably even then), the church should cover appropriately the = reimbursement for the organist's trouble, not just stick it to him to = provide freebies on demand as a condition of "employment".   This condition has happened only once to me, and it came from a priest = whom I greatly enjoyed working for in almost every other respect. But = it rather rankled and it's not fair.