PipeChat Digest #4237 - Wednesday, January 21, 2004
 
Re: Philadelphia Organ 4tet? (x-posted)
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
(no subject)
  by "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
RE: Vicar of Dibley
  by "Shaun Brown" <S.D.Brown@exeter.ac.uk>
Re: Vicar of Dibley
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Vicar of Dibley
  by <Cpmnhartus@aol.com>
Re: Money for weddings
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Pr . . toots???
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Vicar of Dibley
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: Philadelphia Organ 4tet? (x-posted)
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: Philadelphia Organ 4tet? (x-posted)
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
RE: Franck's and others' Prieres
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Franck's and others' Prieres
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: weddings, fees, organists, et. al.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: weddings, fees, organists, et. al.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Franck's and others' Prieres
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Preludes on "Aurelia"
  by "Robert Nickel" <rnickel@charter.net>
Recognition of choir member
  by "Leland, Jan and Michael Smith" <lfs@naxs.com>
Re: Recognition of choir member
  by "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net>
RE: Preludes on "Aurelia"
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
Re: Recognition of choir member
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
RE: Recognition of choir member
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Preludes on "Aurelia"
  by "Travis L. Evans" <tlevans@sbcglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia Organ 4tet? (x-posted) From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:05:26 EST   Hi, Y'all!   Just last week I e-mailed my former colleague, Colin Howland, now of Park Cities Presbyterian Church in Dallas, and asked him what was up with the = Quartet. He said they, indeed, still are performing and have a couple of gigs this winter (he told me but I forget where they were). So . . . all is well = with the Quartet.   Yours,   Darryl    
(back) Subject: From: "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:59:18 -0200   Hi, list.   This morning I received one member list's message with attached virus. The Norton deleted the virus. Pay attention.   Domitila Ballesteros   --- Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - =C9 gr=E1tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br    
(back) Subject: RE: Vicar of Dibley From: "Shaun Brown" <S.D.Brown@exeter.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:41:01 -0000   The theme tune to the 'Vicar of Dibley' is by Howard Goodall, its published as 'The Lord is my Shepherd', is scored for Treble solo with SATB chorus. I believe it is on the RSCM list, if not, try Bank's of York on (01904) 658836, I'm pretty sure they can get hold of it for you, if all else fails, I could email you a scan of the score.   SDB   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hopper Sent: 19 January 2004 20:03 To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Vicar of Dibley   Bob,   Where in the world did you find that setting of Psalm 23?!?! I looked all over the world for it about three years ago & couldn't track it down. I ended up just notating it on my own, but the Psalm isn't complete on the show. Let me know more info, Please, please, please!!!   Pretty Please!   Mark   Mark L. Hopper Associate Minister of Music and Organist The First Baptist Church 205 West Winder Street PO Box 75 Henderson, NC 27536 Church-(252) 438-3172 Home-(252) 492-6774 Fax-(252) 438-3710 markhopper@ncol.net       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Vicar of Dibley From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:51:42 -0600   It has been back in print for about 3 years - it is by Howard Goodall. Don't remember the publisher.   Mark Hopper wrote: > Bob, > > Where in the world did you find that setting of Psalm 23?!?! I looked = all > over the world for it about three years ago & couldn't track it down. I > ended up just notating it on my own, but the Psalm isn't complete on the > show. Let me know more info, Please, please, please!!! > > Pretty Please! > > Mark > > Mark L. Hopper > Associate Minister of Music and Organist > The First Baptist Church > 205 West Winder Street > PO Box 75 > Henderson, NC 27536 > Church-(252) 438-3172 > Home-(252) 492-6774 > Fax-(252) 438-3710 > markhopper@ncol.net > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Vicar of Dibley From: <Cpmnhartus@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:45:45 EST   The publisher is Novello    
(back) Subject: Re: Money for weddings From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:38:34 -0500   On 1/17/04 1:11 PM, "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> wrote:   > Where have you been, my friend? In my life time, I have found very few = people > who are well paid in ANY church related job. Exclude from those who are = paid > a salary by the churches, evangelists, TV personalities, contemporary > recording artists, etc., but regular church employees seldom make much, = ...as > in "paid well." > Well, I share your unhappiness about that. Among Lutherans in Manhattan (where I've "been"), a substitute clergyman usually gets $200 for a Sunday morning chanted eucharistic service. I SUSPECT that it would be $300 for two of them, assuming "prep time" is the same for two as it is for one. (Prep time for pastor loci is probably up to 20 hours, but a sub can dig = out from his files a sermon from three years ago and polish it up a bit.)   An organist subbing used to get (10 years ago?) $150, but I think they are now at $200 as well. Especially if that includes (as it commonly does) a 90-minute rehearsal before the mass. I think that's reasonable, though = not exorbitant--even though a "very competent" organist from another tradition might find it a bit daunting.   Most weddings, by contrast, are easy to "toss off"--but they have their = own peculiar trials and tribulations, as we all know.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Pr . . toots??? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:45:49 -0500   A good list, Jeff, and a healthy reminder.   Alan   On 1/17/04 1:23 PM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   >> Incidentally for church members, by agreement , we do not charge. >> Bob Elms. > > We do not charge for the use of the building, but the organist and = related > staff (wedding consultants, sound guy, pastor) ARE paid when weddings = are done > for members. > > Let's think about this for a second, though. > > 1- Electricity -- > 2- AC/Heating - Gas, electric--all adds up. > 3- TIME -- > 4- Cleanup. > 5- Counseling sessions - with Pastor and Organist. > 6- Extra rehearsals for "Aunt Marge" because she doesn't want to (and > shouldn't) just come in and sing "cold," all of which may involve #1, = #2, and > #3 again. > > OK, you get the point. Weddings COST the church money to put on. I'm = not > saying we SHOULDN'T, or that members shouldn't get a break (and they = do), but > factor in that the dress cost a pretty penny, the catering is going to = be > outrageous (and still have a lot of leftover food), the Band and/or DJ, = the > booze... > > Jeff >    
(back) Subject: Re: Vicar of Dibley From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:04:09 -0500   Poking around on the that site, and clicking links, I found http://www.howardgoodall.co.uk/choral/choral.htm which told me that the = SATB version (with optional string parts) is published by Faber Music (ISBN = 0-571- 52048-0). It can probably be ordered online at = http://www.fabermusic.com/. The big US distributors, like J. W. Pepper might also have it, or can get it.   --Shirley   On 19 Jan 2004 at 14:45, Octaaf wrote:   > Try this link: http://www.dunedinmethodist.org.nz/wshp/dbly.htm . > > Tim      
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia Organ 4tet? (x-posted) From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:16:01 -0500       On 19 Jan 2004 at 20:07, MFoxy9795@aol.com wrote:   > Are they the same ones who played at the breakfast meeting at the > Philadelphia convention in 2002?   Could be, Merry. Do you have a program folder? Might it be in that? (My =   involvement with AGO Philly 2002 was only at Trinity, Lansdale.)   --Shirley      
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia Organ 4tet? (x-posted) From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:27:00 -0500       On 20 Jan 2004 at 5:05, DarrylbytheSea@aol.com wrote:   > He said they, indeed, still are performing and have a couple of > gigs this winter (he told me but I forget where they were).   Thanks for this, Darryl. Would like to know where, if you have a chance.   Tnx!   --Shirley        
(back) Subject: RE: Franck's and others' Prieres From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:28:09 -0500   >What other organ composers have written a "Priere" or "Prayer" that you like? =20   Could we count Richard Purvis's "Supplication?" He recorded it at Grace = Cathedral, S.F. in the late 1950s on the HiFi label. It lasts perhaps = seven or eight minutes. I liked it very much as a kid but never managed = to buy the music.      
(back) Subject: Re: Franck's and others' Prieres From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:00:11 -0500   The late great Mr. Boellmann wrote a very lovely Priere a Notre Dame in = his Suite Gothique. Very lovely indeed! Dudelspatz zum Potowmack  
(back) Subject: Re: weddings, fees, organists, et. al. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:14:41 -0500   On 1/19/04 7:53 PM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > 1. Alan's Policy: Firm and strict, but with potential for exceptions. > > 2. Dennis' Policy: Looser to begin with, so we come out about the same > place!   I think you've stated it pretty well, Dennis. And during the night I thought of a ("political"?) rationale for preferring my way. I start out hardnosed, but sometimes relax a bit. That way, people say, "He found a = way to accommodate us! Nice guy!" If I start out relaxed, but then try to be more strict, they might say, "He's trying to lock us out! Mean guy!"   Downright Machiavellian, isn't it? (But not intentionally so.)   More later; gotta run.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:01:46 -0600   There is a large 3-manual Aeolian player pipe organ in one of the NCR mansions in Dayton, Ohio. Formerly owned by the founder of NCR (a Mr. Kettering), the mansion is called ____ Farm (does anyone out there recall the name) and is maintained by NCR as a hospitality b&b for visiting dignitaries.   After having bought several million dollars worth of cash registers, I was a visiting dignitary there for a few days some years back (hence my forgetting the name of the place!). The music room is perhaps 30' x 60' with a 15' ceiling. The organ was in fairly good condition and I was able to play it for several hours each evening. Didn't try the player mechanism though.   The layout was interesting - the organ console at one corner of the room and a concert-size Steinway player grand piano in the far corner. The room was large enough that the instruments did not dominate either visually or aurally. The pipe chambers were in the ceiling, the whole of which was an open web of wood carvings to allow egress of sound. Fabulous!   Just as an aside, this mansion was one of the few I've been in which felt like a livable home. It was huge, with a multitude of huge rooms, but managed an intimate feel that most vast houses lack.   Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs in Mansions From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:22:40 EST   In a message dated 1/20/2004 3:07:54 PM US Eastern Standard Time, rggreene2@shaw.ca writes: the mansion is called ____ Farm Russ, that would be Moraine Farm. Nice place; nice instruments.    
(back) Subject: Re: weddings, fees, organists, et. al. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:54:49 -0500   On 1/19/04 7:53 PM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > That being said, virtually everyone, member or not, does provide an > honorarium. It would be seen as a faux pas NOT to do that--just as in = some > communions, it is customary to give the officiant at the baptism a gift > (definitely NOT a part of my tradition!).   That happened at my very first funeral (North Dakota, 1961); at chow in = the basement afterward, a fellow came up to hand me an envelope. Puzzled me, and he realized that and explained that it was my [whatever] for doing the service. I explained, as diplomatically as possible, that the = congregation pays me to do these things--but, that he he wished--"You see that fellow over there by the kitchen door? He's the parish treasurer. Give it to him." He did, and the word got around that I was even more peculiar than they'd realized up to that time. > > The interesting part of the equation to me is that folks who are worse = off > economically, usually "pay" the best--by far! As "working folk," they = know > the value of a dollar or a service, and don't object. They give not = only out > of "first hand knowledge," but also out of grateful appreciation, and in = some > cases an old tradition that God's servants desire to be honored and > appreciated.   VERY true. I observe this every time I take the subway; there's a = constant stream of beggars passing from car to car, with a little speech and a = paper cup. You can EASILY know who's going to put in a few coins: the most destitute-looking passengers ALWAYS do what they can; the rest do not. (It's illegal to panhandle in the trains, and illegal to give to those who do. But it's constant practice anyway.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Franck's and others' Prieres From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:54:09 -0600   >What other organ composers have written a "Priere" or "Prayer" that you like?   Franck wrote more than one-- one of his major works is called Priere, and there was another in L'Organiste.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Preludes on "Aurelia" From: "Robert Nickel" <rnickel@charter.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:12:28 -0600   How about some suggested preludes on "Aurelia". I'm looking for something in the easy-medium to medium range. Please respond privately.   Thanks.   Bob Nickel    
(back) Subject: Recognition of choir member From: "Leland, Jan and Michael Smith" <lfs@naxs.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:45:41 -0500   I need some ideas. I have a 70 year old choir member who has just resigned because she no longer feels that she is a benefit to the music program. Over the past 50 years, she has been choir director, organist, and singer. My need is for a way to recognize her as having been a valued member of the music program for so many years. Any ideas? Jan        
(back) Subject: Re: Recognition of choir member From: "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:50:00 -0500   At 09:45 PM 1/20/2004, Jan wrote:   >I need some ideas. I have a 70 year old choir member who has just >resigned because she no longer feels that she is a benefit to the music >program. Over the past 50 years, she has been choir director, organist, >and singer. My need is for a way to recognize her as having been a = valued >member of the music program for so many years. Any ideas? Jan     Are you seeking to have a party or award or some such, or a way to keep = her busy? Or should I say "active"?   The former should be easy to do, especially since she has fulfilled so = many functions. Couldn't you have a dinner in her honor and present her with = an award? Certificates and "cups" are easy enough to get and not all that expensive.   But if you want to keep her welcome and occupied, how about going back to her choir director and organist functions? She can be an assistant, someone who helps out at rehearsal or conducts at services or -- well, however you are set up for it.   Or ask her to keep the library organized ... or ... well, there have to be =   many things she could still do, even if she doesn't feel that she is up to =   singing any more.   What a wonder to have such a loyal, active member. She certainly should = be acknowledged for all that she has done for the church.   Mura        
(back) Subject: RE: Preludes on "Aurelia" From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:22:13 -0600   Try Charles Callahan's Six Meditations on English Hymn Tunes - Concordia 97-6189. They're at http://cph.org. I don't have it handy (but I think I know where it is) but his stuff is generally accessible to both player and listener.   michael - who just noticed the request to respond privately but is too = lazy to change the address     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Robert Nickel Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:12 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Preludes on "Aurelia"     How about some suggested preludes on "Aurelia". I'm looking for something in the easy-medium to medium range. Please respond privately.      
(back) Subject: Re: Recognition of choir member From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:35:00 -0500   > I need some ideas. I have a 70 year old choir member who has just > resigned because she no longer feels that she is a benefit to the music > program. Over the past 50 years, she has been choir director, organist, > and singer. My need is for a way to recognize her as having been a > valued member of the music program for so many years. Any ideas? Jan   Sounds like the perfect situation for a nice reception or even a full meal, complete with silver tea set and flowers, a resolution from the church's governing body to be read and presented at a public event, = perhaps a ______________ _______________ [insert person's name here] Day = resolution from the mayor of the city or whatever government body might do such a thing, a special program of music in her honor (however it can be presented), a hand-out to everyone with a nice biographical sketch and her picture included, etc. The musical program could include a short speech = by a guest "expert" on a topic close to her heart.   Also: invite everyone you can possibly think of to write letters to = her to put in a notebook of letters to give to her. She'll read and re-read them for MONTHS!!   Is there the potential of enough money to establish a scholarship fund in her honor, income of which goes to support organ lessons for someone, however the person be chosen? It might provide a future for some person such as the woman has had over many years.   It's the kind of challenge that's lots of fun. Good luck.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: RE: Recognition of choir member From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:53:56 -0600   Three things come to mind: a plaque commemorating her contribution, so she will have something tangible to hang on the wall; a collage or group of pictures of her participating in events through the years; and/or a parish dinner/reception in her honor. If you don't have the pictures, you could take pictures at the dinner/reception and place them in a frame for her.   It's a nice memento to have something to hang on your wall that shows that others have appreciated what you have done, and reminds you of those good times.   Just a thought.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Leland, Jan and Michael Smith     I need some ideas. I have a 70 year old choir member who has just resigned because she no longer feels that she is a benefit to the music program. Over the past 50 years, she has been choir director, organist,   and singer. My need is for a way to recognize her as having been a valued member of the music program for so many years. Any ideas? Jan        
(back) Subject: Re: Preludes on "Aurelia" From: "Travis L. Evans" <tlevans@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:44:54 -0600   Charles Ore has one in one of the "11 Compositions for Organ" books also from CPH.