PipeChat Digest #4240 - Saturday, January 24, 2004
 
Re:Clergy Wedding Fees -- a "retraction" if you will
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Pipechat Re: South African Organs
  by "Jon Moyer" <promotionalemails@charter.net>
Wedding Fees, If You're Lucky
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
august gern
  by "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Domitila's Brazilian hybrid organ
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Clergy Wedding Fees
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
(Off topic): Writing, was RE: 2003-retrospect. THANK  YOU and APOLOGY
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: august gern
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: august gern
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Domitila's Brazilian hybrid organ
  by "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: August Gern
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
Noon Organ Rectals, Madison, WI (x-post)
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
gern in London
  by "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Recital announcement--Chicago
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Gern's pipes
  by "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: august gern
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Preludes on "Aurelia"
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re:Clergy Wedding Fees -- a "retraction" if you will From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:12:56 EST   >B, >I hate to admit it, but that's pretty much my policy as well. I'd take it =   one >step further--not a note played until the check CLEARS. >Cheers, >Bill H.   When I first started playing the organ in church, back when I was 10 years =   old, I was the assistant organist to my organ teacher. This church did = several hundred weddings a year. After a couple of years of playing, he started handing off weddings to me, because 3 and 4 weddings a weekend were a bit = much on top of 4 church services. So I would usually play 1 wedding for him. I remember him telling me...."Do not play a note unless there is green paper = on top of the console. They are told that the organist must be paid before the ceremony--you do not have to go finding your money after the wedding. If = they can't bring it to you beforehand, they will have a silent wedding." Unless he personally knew the family, he would tell the people to bring him cash = because he had been burned with bad checks before, plus it is a little harder to = trace on tax returns. LOL I guess I'm a little more trusting because I don't mind =   checks, but I've never had one bounce on me yet, but there's always a = first time for everything.....     Monty Bennett Friendship Baptist Church Charlotte, NC    
(back) Subject: Pipechat Re: South African Organs From: "Jon Moyer" <promotionalemails@charter.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:33:24 -0500   I was recently appointed organist at Immanuel Lutheran Church (LCMS) in = Simpsonville, SC (a suburb of Greenville). The organ was built in 1977 = by South African Organ Builders of Pretoria, SA for a Dutch Reformed = church there. In late 2001 it was purchased by a church member for us = and installed in early 2002. It is a nice 14 rank instrument. =20   I have been in contact with a few people in South Africa and with Bill = van Pelt of the Organ Historical Society. No one knows of any other = South African instruments in the States. =20   Does anyone know of any other? Anything on this topic would be greatly = appreciated.   Jon Moyer, Organist Immanuel Lutheran Church (LCMS) Simpsonville, SC      
(back) Subject: Wedding Fees, If You're Lucky From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:53:02 -0500   Well, good luck to you on that!!!   My story, which will prove what a total wimp I really am: About a year = ago, I played for a very large, Italian wedding in my Episcopal Church. = Neither the bride nor groom were Episcopalians as far as I know, and I = don't recall how or why they found us, but I begin to think in = retrospect that they may have had some difficulty in their home parish. = The couple came to see me a week or two before the day. I made a special = trip in (one hour) to see them, but the rector had stoked up the furnace = for the occasion, so I could stay around and practice a bit. Fine. The = discussion was fruitful and agreeable. The groom was Enormous! Possibly = one of the fattest people I have ever seen. The bride was a wee little = thing with, I hope, a very strong frame. The groom looked terribly = familiar to me, somehow, and after our discussion, I asked if there was = an e-mail address I could send a summary of what we decided, to make = sure we were all in agreement. The groom's e-mail address had "Toyota" = in it, and then it struck. I had bought a RAV 4 from this guy at the = local dealership two years before. The wedding was just fine - = everything went off beautifully. I was never paid, despite the fact that = the rector had clearly explained to the couple exactly what was expected = of them. The church never received its contribution from them, to cover = the cost of cleaning the church afterwards, to be ready for Sunday = morning. It was almost surreal. I could see a movie in this, and I even = had the title for it. Anyway, I hatched a plot. I would drive to the = Toyota dealership, announce that I wanted a wonderful new Camry, and = would only deal with Bill. The RAV was parked prominently just outside = the showroom window. Bill would fill out all the paperwork and do the = usual back and forth to the manager, who would say I would have to pay a = few hundred more, and all that. I made it clear that there would be no = trade in - I would keep the wonderful RAV I had bought through Bill two = years earlier. And then, the contract would be handed to me to sign, and = I would say: "Bill, I guess you have now done about an hour's work. = That's about a quarter of what I put in on your wedding, but it's = something. And now, you will know what it feels like to do the work and = not be paid. There is no way you will have my signature on this = contract. Thanks, and goodbye. Oh, and thanks for the coffee. Regards to = your wife."   Of course I didn't, damn it, and I am still ashamed of myself!   Malcolm - wimpish at 10=BA in Connecticut ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DERREINETOR@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Clergy Wedding Fees -- a "retraction" if you will     B,=20 I hate to admit it, but that's pretty much my policy as well. I'd take = it one step further--not a note played until the check CLEARS. Cheers,=20 Bill H.  
(back) Subject: august gern From: "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:23:48 -0200   Hi, list,   I made a mistake when typing the name. The organbuilder is Auguste GERN. Anybody knows something about him?   Domitila   --- Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - =C9 gr=E1tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br    
(back) Subject: Domitila's Brazilian hybrid organ From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:32:57 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Hi, Domitila, Good to hear from a list member who lives in my "neighbourhood"! It's always interesting for all of us to know about organs in South = America since inventories from there are scarce.   Can you perhaps submit us a more detailed description of this organ?- I am interested particularly in following details:   *What means "hybrid" exactly: an organ made from components of various organs; a part pipe part digital (I believe not since these organs are almost unknown here :); or is it part tracker part Pneumatic or electropneumatic action; or part "straight" (That is: Every pipe rank =3D = a stop) part "unified" (that is: several stops are borrowed from a single = pipe rank)?   *Can you submit a disposition / specification (how many manuals; stop = list)?   *Regarding the signature or inscription in the swellbox: Is it a plaque, a label or a simple hand-written signature on the wood? - A plaque always is indiction of a building firm. A label could be indiction of a firm or builder who was sub-contracted to manufacture a part or did a rebuilding = or maintenance. A simple hand written signature can be an indiction of: a) a technician = who once upon a time repaired, tuned or modified the organ; b) an employee of the building firm who was in charge of the project or built a particular component. Signatures on the pipes usually are from the pipe maker or = tonal director. In the particular present case, the brazilian organ builder who made the relocation - modification perhaps left a hand written statement where the swellbox (perhaps the whole swell section) came from, although this = practice is much less usual.   *Is the signature really "August Gren" or "August Green"? - I ask this because hand-written signatures sometimes are tricky to read :)   *Is it known who was the brazilian organ builder who installed it in the actual church and fashion, and when he did the work?   *What is the name of the church and where it is located?   [NOTE for all list members: don't blame Domitila if she doesn't know the responses to all these questions. Some infomations, specially about the organ's history, can be wickedly difficult to get in our countries!]   Please keep contact! We look forward to know more from you about the Brazilian Organ World!   Cheers Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: Re: Clergy Wedding Fees From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:56:57 -0500   On 1/22/04 11:29 PM, "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> wrote:   > A colleague's stated policy: not a note is played   Make that "even at the rehearsal".   > until there is a check on the music rail of the instrument.   Alan    
(back) Subject: (Off topic): Writing, was RE: 2003-retrospect. THANK YOU and APOLOGY From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:05:48 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   I want to thank Felix "in the open". Despite his very tight schedule he took his time to write to us and submitted me privatedly a copy of his awesome well written report (it didn't arrive via List or I deleted it accidentally).   Regarding the report: It's seldom to find bright and detail-observing people. Once upon a time when I was a Junior I was "hooked on" crime-thrillers and wanted to become a detective. Nowadays I laugh aloud over this childish dream, but I learned a most important skill: To keep my eyes open, memorize the details and figure out the lost or missing piece = in the Whole without becoming too fancy. Helps me now to put organ puzzles together <G>; on history research (which is really a 'detectivesque' = task!); and to write <GG>. With this I come to Felix' somewhat alarming remark:   > > I should better not write too much...   Yes, I feel guilty too about my usual AGEP's. But what the heck, I = consider these forums as an *educational* institution, and there are things that cannot be said in two or three words. And some times it's necessary to become "clip & clear" too. Keep writing, Felix, and don't forget to put in plenty of :)'s, :('s, <G>'s and simmilar signs to show something that is humorous or tongue-in check meant. It makes a world of difference in writing.   Best (and MY apologies to the Lists Family for this off-topic. No thread, = please) Andres        
(back) Subject: Re: august gern From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:19:23 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Wasn't August Gern the foreman to Cavaille-Coll, who took over in his own rights and under his own name?   We have one or two examples of his work in the UK, which are highly regarded by the organ community.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- dballesteros <dballesteros@uol.com.br> wrote: > Hi, list, > > I made a mistake when typing the name. The > organbuilder is > Auguste GERN. Anybody knows something about him? >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/  
(back) Subject: Re: august gern From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:22:59 -0500   A quick Google search certainly places the names of August Gern and Cavaille-Coll together.   Mike   Colin Mitchell wrote:   > Hello, > > Wasn't August Gern the foreman to Cavaille-Coll, who > took over in his own rights and under his own name? > > We have one or two examples of his work in the UK, > which are highly regarded by the organ community. > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK    
(back) Subject: Re: Domitila's Brazilian hybrid organ From: "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:06:18 -0200   Dear list   Please, be patient with my English. I will describe the organ of my church.   The stops:   I Great   Quintaton 10'2/3 Open diapason 8' Harmonic Flute 8' Dulciana 8' Bourdon 8' Principal 4' Clear Flute 4' Twelfth 2' 2/3 Clarionet 8'   II Swell Bourdon 16' Open Diapason 8' Stop Diapason 8' Gamba 8' Voix Celeste 8' Principal 4' Piccolo 2' Mixture 5 Ranks Trompete 8' Hautbois 8' Clarion 4'   Pedal   Open diapason 16' Bourdon 16' Bourdon 16' Bourdon 8' Violone 8'   Sw/P Gt/P Sw/Gt   Tr=EAmolo (Tremolant) Caixa espressiva (Swell Box) Free combinations 2   Sub II Sub II/I Super II Super II/I Super I Melodia II/I   This is a odd disposition, because:   1) the 16' Bourdon is in Swell 2) The reeds are in the Swell 3) the mixture 5 ranks, id 4) there are no trumpets in the pedal (if they were not the couplers one would think that the great stay in the II) 5) The pedal's stops are little potent to justify the 30 notes of the pedal. 6) The pedal is radial but 7) the manuals have 54 keys each.   No, no. This is not a digital organ. For that land, digital only Johannus and etcs. Now, the organ have a electropneumatic action, but originally it have pneumatic action (they say...) The organ was first installed other church, the Union Church (Anglican). Then, this church moved and the organ moved too. In the 90's, when this organ already mute and stopped a long time, my church buyed this white elephant. But, this is a other history.   The organ is hybrid due a various reasons. Hydrid in your design. It seems one organ that is the sum of the pedalboard of one organ + the manual of the other + the pedal's stops of the other, and so on. Is an hybrid organ because it have some components 'imported' of the others white elephants. (There are one little bellow among de main bellows and the pedal chest. This little bellows was brought God knows from where.) Is hybrid because the console have one sign that says: "Guilherme (Wilhelm) Berner - Rio de Janeiro - Brasil", while in the swell, fixed in the wood, there is one sign, plaque, that says: "August Gern- London". This plaque is very very clear. There is no mistake.   Well, I will write more things about this organ. I know little about, partially because I was longer of this church for a very time and the when I returned, the organ already been bought, partially because the organ has a 'owner' and partially because I didn't want to upset me. I am looking for other informations which I have in my home. I found!   The first organ was inaugurated in 1892. There are recordes that it was reformed and enlarged twice by the Brazilian organbuilder Guilherme Berner a little before 1944. It is possible that Berner has substituted the original console. Finally, the church is http://www.pibrj.org.br (First Baptist Church of Rio de Janeiro) Provisorily, for a few days, I will put some photos of this organ in this address: http://www.ballesteros.mus.br/orgao   Below, links to others Berner'organs (in S=E3o Paulo, Brazil) http://www.brasounds.hpg.ig.com.br/santoniopir.html http://www.brasounds.hpg.ig.com.br/ordemcarmo.html http://www.brasounds.hpg.ig.com.br/santoniopir_e.html   http://www.brasounds.hpg.ig.com.br/campos.html (This page affirms that Guilherme Berner was "expert German technician of Walker")   BTW, if one want to see something about Brazil'organs,... http://www.brasounds.hpg.ig.com.br/   Andr=E9s, can I answer all questions? Saludos and Regards, Domitila   --- Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - =C9 gr=E1tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br    
(back) Subject: Re: August Gern From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:52:27 +0000 (GMT)   Domitila Balesteros wrote "in the swell box there is a sign where is written: "August Gren, London".   I think this must be August Gern, 1837 - 1907, who worked for a time with Cavaille Coll. He is credited on NPOR with having built 103 organs - there may be others not listed. The church of Notre Dame de France in Leicester Square, London, which, if I remember correctly comes under the diocese of Notre Dame in Paris, had an organ by Gern, which was in the Church when it was bombed during WW2. The parish priest at the time I was organist there claimed that it had been by Cavaille Coll and the rebuilt organ contained Cavaille Coll pipework. I regard this as extremely unlikely, though there is apparently evidence to suggest that the organ was rescued relatively undamaged and stored by J.W.Walker & sons, who rebuilt it after the war in the new church, so it might have had Gern pipework if this were true. The church had good acoustics, but it was not a particularly distinguished instrument! John Foss   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : "Fantasist or liar, Blair is unfit to govern" Prison sentences - Ronnie Biggs   ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html  
(back) Subject: Noon Organ Rectals, Madison, WI (x-post) From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:15:23 -0600   The Wed Noon Organ Recitals will be beginning soon again. I will email the =   program as I receive them.   Mike Franch Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed =91net deals =97 comparison-shop your local providers = here. https://broadband.msn.com    
(back) Subject: gern in London From: "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:01:09 -0200   Colin, do you know what are these examples? Domitila   Colin Mitchell wrote:   Hello,   Wasn't August Gern the foreman to Cavaille-Coll, who took over in his own rights and under his own name?       --- Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - =C9 gr=E1tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br    
(back) Subject: Recital announcement--Chicago From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:16:41 -0600   List members are cordially invited to a recital I'm playing at the Chicag= o Theological Seminary next Friday. There is no admission charge. Please introduce yourself afterwards. I haven't been on site to confirm my progr= am ideas (below), but I think it will work. The time constraint is 40 minute= s max.   Chicago Theological Seminary 5757 South University Avenue Graham Taylor Chapel   Robert Lind Organ Recital Friday, January 30, 2004, at 12:30 PM   Johann Schneider (Germany, 1702-88) Prelude and Fugue in D Major   Jes=FAs Guridi (Spain, 1886-1961) Preludio   J.S. Bach (Germany, 1685-1750) Canzona in D Minor (BWV 588)   Denis B=E9dard (Canada, b. 1950) Grand Jeu (from Suite du premier ton)   Paul Barras (Belgium, b. 1925) Andante cantabile (from Sonatine en Ut Majeur)   Niels Gade (Denmark, 1817-90) Praise to the Lord, the Almighty   Jacques Berthier (France, 1923-94) Dialogue de Sourds (from Ten Liturgical Meditations)   Trevor Hold (Wales, b. 1939) Suantraidhe (Irish Lullaby)   Georgi Mushel (Russia, 1909-89) Toccata   1983 Mechanical-Action Organ by Karl Wilhelm, 2 manuals, 26 stops (33 ran= ks)      
(back) Subject: Gern's pipes From: "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:16:52 -0200   Does anyone knows     1) how can I know if the chests and/or the pipes are made by the same organbuilder?   and   2) if the material of these pipes is specially made or usual? Can it be said to be a 'trade mark' ? I have seen the same material in the pipes in the organ of my church.   http://www.organisti.it/org_sanremo/open%20diapason.jpg   http://www.organisti.it/organo_sanremo.htm     Thanks Domitila   --- Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - =C9 gr=E1tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br    
(back) Subject: Re: august gern From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:21:08 -0600   Yes, Gern was the former foreman of Cavaille-Coll, who moved to London and set up his own business. He is noteworthy for having been the first organbuilder to develop a pitman action -- a rather complex tubular-pneumatic affair that is illustrated in Audsley. All the organs by Gern I have come across, however, have been trackers. They are generally very nicely made and voiced. Gern's son continued the business, and R. O. Whitelegg, later tonal director of Moller in the USA, was briefly in partnership with him before going to work for Henry Willis III.   John Speller   Colin Mitchell wrote:   >Hello, > >Wasn't August Gern the foreman to Cavaille-Coll, who >took over in his own rights and under his own name? > >We have one or two examples of his work in the UK, >which are highly regarded by the organ community. > >Regards, > >Colin Mitchell UK > > >--- dballesteros <dballesteros@uol.com.br> wrote: > > >>Hi, list, >> >>I made a mistake when typing the name. The >>organbuilder is >>Auguste GERN. Anybody knows something about him? >> >> >> > > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Preludes on "Aurelia" From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:46:36 -0500   > Try Charles Callahan's Six Meditations on English Hymn Tunes - Concordia > 97-6189. They're at http://cph.org. I don't have it handy (but I think = I > know where it is) but his stuff is generally accessible to both player = and > listener. > > michael - who just noticed the request to respond privately but is too = lazy > to change the address   Not to worry, Michael. There are others of us who might be interested. Thanks! TommyLee