PipeChat Digest #4244 - Tuesday, January 27, 2004
Re: My Baldwin nightmare
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: My Baldwin nightmare
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Zinc organ pipes
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: Curtis Organ at the University of Pennsylvania
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Bilinguial Catholic masses
  by "Dayle Vander Sande" <dayle@ureach.com>
Re: Zinc organ pipes
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: various
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
New on ORGANLive this week
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net>
RE: My Baldwin nightmare
  by "Shaun Brown" <S.D.Brown@exeter.ac.uk>
RE: zimbelstern motors
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: Easter Anthem
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Zinc organ pipes
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>

(back) Subject: Re: My Baldwin nightmare From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:03:15 -0600   I never thought of the word nightmare to describe a Baldwin, but I think it is an apt description of the one I play! :-P Mine doesn't have an AGO pedal board, it's more like the European style, flat but curved. Yesterday I was missing notes like crazy because I forgot my organ shoes and the heels on the shoes I was wearing seemed to get stuck everywhere. The weirdest things happen with it. Sometimes the pedals don't work, sometimes an A warbles, sometimes I cannot get it to play the first hymn, and so on. Alicia Zeilenga Sub-Dean AGO@UI "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"     -----Original Message----- From: bruce.shaw@shaw.ca To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:09:51 -0700 Subject: My Baldwin nightmare   > I play in a tiny church that used to have a reed organ and replaced it > with a Baldwin electronic of dubious parentage and vintage. No, I > don't have a model number - the faceplate is illegible. It's a G.H. > Baldwin which I understand is code for a Viscount with a Baldwin > faceplace. > > It's got two manuals and 32 pedals. I wouldn't swear that it's AGO > because I grew up on AGO and I have nothing but trouble with wrong > notes (most of which disappear when I DO play on AGO). There is no > external speaker system other than a headphone jack. It's got barely > enough power for a 300 seat church. > > Stoplist (from memory, names not necessarily as indicated) > > Great: > > principals: 8,4,2, Mixture > Flutes: 16, 8, 4 > Mutation: 1 1/3(?) > Reed: 8' Trumpet > > Swell: > > gamba 8 > celeste 8 > Principal 4, Mixture > Flutes: 8,2 > Mutations: 2 2/3, 1 3/5(?) > Reed: 8 Oboe > > Pedal > > Principal: 16,8,4 > Flute: 16,8,2 > Reeds: 16,8,4 > > Swell->Great > Swell->Pedal > Great->Pedal > Tutti > > There are five settable general pistons in the centre, no great or > swell pistons. > There are five OTHER non-settable general pistons PP,P,MP,F,FF (no > couplers) on the left. > There's a bizarre "0" piston that picks up whatever was the last set of > stops you drew by hand. > There's also four other general pistons on the right, one of which is > Tutti and the other all reeds. I forget what they other two do but > they're useless. > > There's controls for volume, pedal volume, pipe noise (which I crank > all the way up but only seems to affect some stops, mostly on the > swell), and tremulant depth and speed. > > It gets stranger. > > The power supply overheats and melts the solder on the motherboard, > causing loose solder joints that have to be re-soldered every once in > awhile. The last repairman has said he's had good success replacing > the power supply with one out of a computer so that's the plan for next > time it breaks. > > The pads on the pedalboard have long since worn away so it clatters > like a tap-dancer. I'm considering plastic wine corks. > > It has a transposer (which I can't use - perfect pitch). It has a > reverb unit by a manufacturer better known for drum modules (Alesis). > > Now it gets totally wierd. > > The Tremulant (controllable by a Swell stop knob) affects only a few > stops, but on both the Swell and Great and NOT ones you would expect it > to. > The Great pedal affects stops on the Swell AND Great, mostly flues but > some mutations and reeds. > The Swell pedal affects sounds on the Swell AND Great, mostly reeds, > but some mutations and flues. > There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to which stops are > assigned to the Swell and Great pedals. > > What is the world is this thing? Has it been modified? If so, can it > be returned to stock? > > With all its faults, it's got an acceptable sound that I put to good > use in the liturgy. At one time or another I go from the softest > celeste to full organ and I've had several people who should have known > better come forward asking where the pipes are hidden. I point out > that for the stoplist I've got, were there to be pipes the entire > sanctuary would be pipes with nowhere to sit. > > It's just incredibly bizarre trying to find the right settings for a > "solo" passage - something where I can balance the swell and great and > use tremulant to effect. > > Any ideas? > > J. W. Bruce Shaw > Organist and Choirmaster > St. Stephen the Martyr, (Anglo-Catholic) > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: My Baldwin nightmare From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:30:47 -0500   On 1/26/04 5:48 PM, "TubaMagna@aol.com" <TubaMagna@aol.com> wrote:   > they may have been better off keeping the harmonium.   Absolutely!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Zinc organ pipes From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:53:19 EST   I BELIEVE that the first use of zinc for organ pipes was the 32' = Diapason for the mid-19th century Hill organ at York Minster; he is said to have designed and built the rolling machine used in their manufacture. If I am incorrect, please post a correction.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: RE: Curtis Organ at the University of Pennsylvania From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:19:11 -0500   We might add, in regards to the Curtis organ, that at least as of about = ten years ago, the man responsible for maintaining it, a young Asian = named Kevin, was also an enthusiast and pied piper who actively enlisted = the help of Penn students in his work. I admired his pedagogical = approach, as demonstrated with a P.O.E. group. When Madeleine L'Engle = writes of her belief that people, especially young people, become = trustworthy by being trusted, we can see him as exemplifying that = principle. He told the kids, in a simple, matter-of-fact way, what they = needed to know from hearing, and then let them learn primarily by doing, = after turning them loose with total confidence (at least, so it seemed) = that they would act responsibly. They took up the challenge.   Who knows, this activity may produce an organ builder or organist = sometime in the future. At least, it will make a number of future = prominent citizens more knowledgeable and sympathetic about the pipe = organ than would otherwise be the case.   It would be heartening if this evangelism still obtains.   Paul    
(back) Subject: Bilinguial Catholic masses From: "Dayle Vander Sande" <dayle@ureach.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:27:01 -0500     I am the Music Director of an ethnic-American parish in Hudson County, NJ. I have 2 masses of 6 per weekend which I must sing in a foreign language, which includes programming twice each weekend and working with 2 separate adult choruses. Is there anyone on the list having this experience? If so, do you find your work valued commensurately in comparison with other organists in the area? That is, have you been able to command a higher salary for having a special skill? How do you handle this during your contract renewal negotiations? Do you find it being taken for granted?   Dayle@uReach.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Zinc organ pipes From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:54:43 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Zinc organ pipes     > I BELIEVE that the first use of zinc for organ pipes was the 32' Diapason > for the mid-19th century Hill organ at York Minster; he is said to have > designed and built the rolling machine used in their manufacture.   That was the first use in the English speaking world, but I think there = was some use in Germany a decade or so before this.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: various From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:05:28 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: various     Today, when I saw the Gern's organ photo, I thought (and it is no more that one suposition), perhaps the original color of the pipes of organ (my church) was same of the photo. (BTW, the pipes were painted with paint for car - automotive).   Radiator (for heating systems) paint is more usual in the U.S.A. In my career as an organ restorer I have on three occasions restored the = original decorations on pipe organ facades that had previously been covered up with radiator paint. In two cases I was able to find the original designs and colors by careful stripping of the pipes -- this takes you down through = the layers and hopefully to the original, although you have to allow for the extent to which the color has changed (and usually darkened a bit) over = the decades. In the third case the original design had been stripped off. = But even here there was some impression left of the shape of the original = design etched into the zinc, and members of the congregation were able to give me some idea of the original color. This, together with an indictinct photograph, and similar stencils on other organs by the same builder, enabled me to recreate the original.   I think, I write very, very litle times and when write, I write very, very little words. There are two reasons for that. The first is the language. I spend very time to write one message like this. The second is Iand perhaps the 'second'be in truth de 'first) my difficulties with the subject 'organbuildery".   Apart from the fact that this is usually "organbuilding" not "organbuildery", you are doing pretty well.   Kind regards,   John Speller.    
(back) Subject: New on ORGANLive this week From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:14:15 -0600   Hello all.. Just wanted to let you know that new additions are being made daily to ORGANLive. Last time I mentioned it was in the middle of the Christmas holidays. Now we've gone back to a regular playlist, and what a playlist it's getting to be. Some new additions made recently include:   Music from the Pipedreams collection including "Pipedreams Premiers" (both volumes) and "Pipedreams Live!" Also added are JAV's recordings of historic Aeolian-Skinner organs at St. Paul's Chapel at Columbia University, the Seminary of the Immaculate Conception in Huntington, New York, and the Marquand Chapel at Yale University.   The entire format has been updated to the new MP3Pro format for even = higher quality at dial-up speeds, so anyone can listen and hear amazing sounds of great organs. For an example of MP3 vs. MP3Pro, visit the ORGANLive = website at www.organlive.com. There's also an offer for FREE COFFEE! You'll have to visit to find out what that's about.   Listen to ORGANLive today! It's free, and you won't find more music of = the organ anywhere on the net.   Brent Johnson ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand www.organlive.com        
(back) Subject: RE: My Baldwin nightmare From: "Shaun Brown" <S.D.Brown@exeter.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:32:52 -0000   Fair enough, this sounds like a truly bizzarre 'instrument' and I can't stand electric 'Organs' at all. But, the comment about the tremulant only affecting some stops I found a little off. I play a 3 manualled Harrison & Harrison (1921, rebuilt & extended 2001) which is in superb condition. It has tremulants to the Choir and swell departments, seperately controlled. They do howver only affect the low pressure ranks, ie the strings, flutes, light diapasons, clarinet and oboe. Who would really want a trem. On a Tuba or the 32' Double Ophiclide!?   Just a thought.    
(back) Subject: RE: zimbelstern motors From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:51:27 -0500   Some of us are tinkerers; some of us are not. The fun is in the making of it. You find some spare parts, some bells that are pleasing to the ear, = and badabing badabang badaboom you have something musical (at least to your = own ears)! (8-P   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA   You wrote: >Why all this messing around with cheap parts, surely our 50K ++++++ >instruments are worthy of the real thing. Only $600-800 >Please check out zimbelstern.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Anthem From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:56:47 +0000 (GMT)   One of the more spectacularly vulgar Easter Anthems - a bit like Disneyland in Church - was Diane Bish's version of "Christ the Lord is Risen Today". Wow! That would set the congregation about their ears! Another group, pipes spectacular, had it on their files - it is great fun, though could hardly be describes as "tasteful"! John Foss   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : "Fantasist or liar, Blair is unfit to govern" Prison sentences - Ronnie Biggs   ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save = =A380 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk  
(back) Subject: Re: Zinc organ pipes From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:04:24 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Yes....that's interesting, and fits in with my broad supposition; York being not a million miles away from the source of zinc smelting, and on a direct rail route.   So far as I recall, the organ at Doncaster parish church, by Schulze, uses Zinc basses; and in this, Schulze was assisted by Charles Brindley from Sheffield, but purchased the pipes ready-made from an unknown supplier in the UK. (Violette again?)   Certainly, Brindley used the continental style of rounded pipe shades; perhaps as a result of his co-operation with Schulze, and almost always used zinc basses.   On the subject of actual pipe shade construction, I note that two other photographs in the August Gern listing in the NPOR register, show rounded shades of the continental type (eg:- St.John's, Keswick), which are quite different to the ones I mentioned previously, which looked much more English in style. I also note, that in the continental style pipe facades, the metal appears to be plain metal or better, with a distinct dull shine not unlike that of a Cavaille-Coll organ.   Also, in the erratum department, I mentioned that Gern voiced the Cavaille-Coll organ now situated at the Parr Hall, Warrington. This was incorrect information.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <TubaMagna@aol.com>   > > > I BELIEVE that the first use of zinc for organ > pipes was the 32' > Diapason > > for the mid-19th century Hill organ at York > Minster. > John Speller added:-   > That was the first use in the English speaking > world, but I think there was > some use in Germany a decade or so before this.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/