PipeChat Digest #4586 - Thursday, July 1, 2004 AGO LA by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: The Frantic Organist Lady... by "bgsx" <email@example.com> Re: AGO LA by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Re: AGO LA by "Merry Foxworth" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: AGO LA by "F. Richard Burt" <email@example.com> Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville by <RMB10@aol.com> Re: longevity by "bobelms" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: AGO LA by <TheOrganst@aol.com> Music In The Museum series by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Re: Philadelphia by "Merry Foxworth" <email@example.com> RE: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville by "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: longevity by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville by "Cole" <email@example.com>
(back) Subject: AGO LA From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:47:45 -0700 v hatch wrote: > When you say you are packing for Los Angeles , does that mean you are > going to the AGO meetin July 4-8? I am going to that and I wonder if > someone can tell me: how do people DRESS for this? In case I don't > have enough clothes, are there some SECOND HAND stores near the Westin > Bonaventure Hotel on 404 S.Figueroa? I don't mean "vintage" stores--I > mean dirt cheap---in San francisco right downtown there were some of the = > most incredibly cheap used clothing stores I have ever seen in my > life!!! Check out the local gay paper (Frontiers), available just about anywhere, or the Damron Guide online ... there are all kinds of pre-owned clothing boutiques ... I think most of them are in West Hollywood, but not all. The one that supports the AIDS Project has lots of high end-stuff. Ditto for restaurants ... "we" KNOW where the good cheap restaurants are (chuckle). You'll be close to several ethnic restaurant rows. What are some good medium priced restaurants near that Westin > Hotel? Is it true that it probably won't rain at all during the period > July 2 to July 10? Rain? What's that? We get rain about 2x a year in SoCal, and the season for that is LONG past. I can't remember what kind of clothing a man should > wear and not be considered disrespectful as we go into all those > different churches---- This is SoCal ... anything short of a thong is acceptable (grin) ... you won't see LONG pants on the street (in San Diego, at least) except from about December until March or April. It's likely to be VERY HOT and VERY MUGGY in LA July 4-8, though it's cool enough for long pants some evenings. NOTHING short of a five-star restaurant requires a coat and tie; "dressy business casual" will get you by for most places. I'd say slacks and a sport shirt for the churches, unless it's REALLY hot ... I've seen people at Mass in both our local cathedrals come straight from the beach (chuckle). Oh incidentally I play on a Saville every > Sunday--a three manual How often does it have to be TUNED? That was the biggest problem with Savilles, as I recall. Cheers, Bud > >> From: Keys4bach@aol.com >> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <email@example.com> >> To: firstname.lastname@example.org >> Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville >> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:47:35 EDT >> >> In a message dated 6/30/2004 11:22:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com writes: >> >> > I'm not saying that E-Orgs can't go 40 or 50 years. They generally >> > don't. >> >> i have a model 5 (?) Baldwin---built in 1956. >> >> still works everytime i turn it on. >> >> have not replaced a tube in quite some time. >> >> maybe they can last a while....... >> >> snickering as he heads to pack for LA >> >> dale in Florida > > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =96 get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> > List-Digest: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> > >
(back) Subject: Re: The Frantic Organist Lady... From: "bgsx" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:49:19 -0400 > I would like to get in touch with her, anybody got an email address or > other contact? Whether her business is thriving or not, she seems to have a web page here: http://www.franticorganist.com/ It's the first hit if you google ... http://www.google.ca/search?&q=3Dfrantic+organist The second item is the OHS page ... http://www.ohscatalog.org/brendurpraca.html
(back) Subject: Re: AGO LA From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:05:12 EDT Generally speaking, as I have attended 2 conventions (NYC and PHILA), I = would say, dress casually... whatever that means to you. Plan on maybe 1 outfit for dress up (there's usually some type of fancy gala). It was deathly hot at both the NYC and Phila conventions, and nary a = church was air conditioned (those that were didn't work well). I do not know = about LA churches, as I have never been there. But I would imagine that SOME of = the venues lack in the a/c department (I hope I'm wrong). Neil by the absolutely delightful Bay
(back) Subject: Re: AGO LA From: "Merry Foxworth" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:18:12 -0400 Yes, I was at the Philly convention and it was the hottest week of the = year, and Philly was the hottest place on the eastern seaboard! =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-=20 An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions:=20 "There let the pealing organ blow,=20 To the full-voiced choir below,=20 In service high, and anthems clear,=20 As may with sweetness, through mine ear,=20 Dissolve me into ecstasies,=20 And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes".=20 John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).=20 Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty=20 Boston, MA 02131 =20 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com=20 To: firstname.lastname@example.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Re: AGO LA Generally speaking, as I have attended 2 conventions (NYC and PHILA), = I would say, dress casually... whatever that means to you. =20 Plan on maybe 1 outfit for dress up (there's usually some type of = fancy gala). It was deathly hot at both the NYC and Phila conventions, and nary a = church was air conditioned (those that were didn't work well). I do not = know about LA churches, as I have never been there. But I would imagine = that SOME of the venues lack in the a/c department (I hope I'm wrong). Neil by the absolutely delightful Bay
(back) Subject: Re: AGO LA From: "F. Richard Burt" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:30:22 -0600 Hello, Bud: > Oh incidentally I play on a Saville every > > Sunday--a three manual > > How often does it have to be TUNED? That was the > biggest problem with Savilles, as I recall. Different technologies required different tuning cycles. The Series IV and Series V organs with stable capacitors would usually need to be tuned about once every five years. That took away some income, but the customers who owned them were very, very happy with the results. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs still servicing a few of the good old Savilles ..
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:36:48 EDT >As long as we are on PipeChat let's explore this... >Why do people buy huge pipe instruments that our friends across the pond = >find amazing to consider? My church bought a huge instrument (V/168) for several reasons: 1. Spectrum of music played in one of our typical services--classical to = contemporary gospel. Our organ needed to be able to do everything under the sun, at = the touch of a piston--that's why it is orchestral in nature, loaded down = with foundation stops, accompanimental stops, color reeds, tibias (GASP!), in = addition to having the "standard" organ choruses. However, when an organ like = this starts to get designed, it gets large rather quickly. 2. Sheer size of = the room dictated a sizeable instrument. A sanctuary seating 3,000, with a congregation that really sings dictated that we have an organ in the = front and an antiphonal organ in the rear. The huge cubic airspace would swallow up a = 30 rank organ leading a congregation of 3,000 singing and a choir of 200. = It dictated a large instrument. 3. As a testimony to our church's = commitment to traditional church music, we wanted to make a statement that we were not = going to fall into the trap of the mindset that contemporary music draws in crowds. Our style is middle of the road Baptist--not heavily classical = and not heavily contemporary. We always sing traditional hymns, choir music will = vary from anthems to old time gospel, to contemporary gospel, BUT, the pipe = organ always has a part in the music, even if it's padding underneath on = strings. 4. We had the money, we had the support of the Pastor, we had the = support of the church, we had the support of the architect (who is a member of the choir.) So I was told to design the organ I wanted. I was given a = budget to work with and told to pick a builder. That's why we have contracted for = such a large instrument. Call it grandiose or pretentious, but for our usage, = it's really quite necessary. From my days as organist at Calvary Church, Charlotte, NC, where (at the time) the music program was similarly varied = and the building was quite large, a monster instrument is invaluable. >Why do people buy one rank pipe organs to use for a church service? I've never understood why they do that, except to say that they have a = pipe organ. There are pipe organs and there are PIPE ORGANS. I have played a = few pipe organs from the 19th century that had 7 or 8 ranks that were much = more versatile than the 7 and 8 rank organs that are being built today, but a = lot of it has to do with voicing. Small organs also require the organist to = be creative, which is something that is not taught in college. Being = creative is a lost art, I'm afraid. >Why do people rebuild old pipe organs? If the pipework is in good shape, why not? I know of a church here in Charlotte that has just restored their Aeolian-Skinner. The pipework was = in excellent shape, the chests were in good shape, they needed some = releathering, but the quality of construction was of such high quality, the church would = have been stupid to throw it out and get something else. Plus, the organ was = a GDH signature organ, unfortunately bastardized back in the 70's by = another company. This restoration "undid" that work and brought the organ back = to original, well as original as it could be, being that the other company = added a tracker antiphonal organ, but the A-S organ looks like it just came from = the Boston factory. The church loves it's Skinner, so they didn't want to do = anything BUT rebuild it. They had Turner build a Skinner replica console = and it is amazing. For churches who have limited funds and want a pipe organ, = buying a used pipe organ and having rebuilt and installed in their church is = also a good way to save money and save a pipe organ from being destroyed. If = there is room for a good installation, why not do it. >Why do people buy digital organs? Not everyone has money for a pipe organ. Not everyone has space for a = pipe organ. I wouldn't want to play a pipe organ of 3 ranks that was = shoehorned into a closet because that was the only space available to install it. = Not only would it be boring to play all the time, but you probably would = hardly be able to hear it because it would be so impacted into the little chamber. = Even though I feel that pipes are the first choice, there are times when digitals are better choices because of the above stated reasons. >Why do people combine pipes & digital? Why not combine the best of both? People want pipes, we know that for a fact. IF money or space is a concern, what's wrong with doing a Great = division in pipe and the Swell in digital. Pipes have a definite presence and can = move people in a way that speakers can't. I witnessed that first hand at = my church while our pipe organ was being fixed and we had a rental digital. = However, for softer stops, if installed well, I really doubt that most = people can really tell the difference. I think it's the Principal chorus that = generally is the "give away" because of the singing quality of the pipes, how the = air actually moves. Enclosed pipes don't seem to have as much of that effect = due to the fact that their sound is tempered in the chamber. What do you all = think. Am I off the mark here? >The most honorable of sales reps will encourage the church to purchase >the finest organ they can for their situation, and bow out gracefully >when they find that the builder's goals and the purchaser's goals do not = >match. This is so very true. However, there are some reps, both pipe and = digital, who are just out to make a buck. They will tell a church whatever they = need to tell them, just to make a sale. I've played some digitals that have = been sold by these guys that are just slapped in, speakers thrown on a wall, = or thrown into a chamber, and then people wonder why the organs sound so = fake. At least with pipe organs, the voicers and installers have some more control = over the final output, but the digital sales reps can just "plug and = play" and walk away. An ethical rep will take the time and do a thorough job, regardless of the instrument--pipe or digital. A digital rep should = probably take even more time with the installation to make it sound the best it can, = tweaking the speakers, going back and listening, making minute adjustments to the voicing, etc. But these are just my humble thoughts...... Monty Bennett Friendship Baptist Church Charlotte, NC
(back) Subject: Re: longevity From: "bobelms" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:30:31 +0800 I don't think anyone does not agree that a well made tracker organ can = last for an indefinite period, barring accidents of fire flood, polluted atmosphere and extreme climates. I know of several in my state in = Australia that were built in the late 19th century and have been restored with = little or no alteration in recent years after more than 80 years of continuous service. The builders? Wm Hill and Son (UK), Fuller (Australia), Pease = (UK), Monk (UK), Clifton (West Aus.) all have organs here which fall into that category. There are also a number of Dodds from the early 20th C. which = have survived with little maintenance. I remember a broadcast on a Hammond on ABC (Aust.) radio in the late 1930s using a Hammond plugged directly into the audio system of the transmitter during which the organist played the Hallelujah Chorus with full trems and the complete lack of any reverb. It sounded terrible. However I played a late model Hammond for a service in one of our churches in the late 1960s and enjoyed the experience. It sounded quite good. The first thing I did before playing was turn off the Vibrato which the incumbent elderly = organist used all the time. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <email@example.com> To: "PipeChat" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: longevity > Um, are we sure we WANT a Bawld-One Model 5 to last that long? (chuckle) > > The only non-pipe "organ" that can REALLY make the claim of lasting as > long as a typical electro-pneumatic pipe organ is the Hammond, and it's > not really electronic, but rather electro-mechanical. The occasional > tubes, vibrato scanners, and amps are easily replaced. There are > Hammonds from the 1930s that are still playing every Sunday. And they > play the literature that has developed for them VERY well: Gospel, soul, > jazz, rock. > > But I think it's generally agreed that they're not a SUBSTITUTE for a > pipe organ. Many African-American churches have both. snip > The 1890s Koehnken & Grimm tracker we moved and restored for the Shrine > of the Immaculata in Cincinnati had played from the 1890s to the 1970s > with MINIMAL maintenance ... the leather on the huge reservoir was still > viable, albeit patched; we decided to have it releathered while the > organ was apart and the reservoir was accessible; the pallet leather was > still PRISTINE; there were a few broken pedal trackers that had > obviously been stepped on; the organ was still in reasonable tune before > we took it down, after the church had been CLOSED and UNHEATED for more > than ten years. > >
(back) Subject: Re: AGO LA From: <TheOrganst@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:43:53 EDT Being a 5th generation native of Los Angeles, I speak from some = experience. The weather seems to be hold between 75 and 80 in the downtown area. It = gets 5-10 degrees warmer in the valleys. Our evenings have been rather cool to chilly. No rain. I would suggest dressing nice casual in general, something more dressy = for the gala banquet, and maybe even shorts for around the hotel and lectures. = Comfortable shoes are a must. There is the potential for lot's of walking = and there is a great deal to see around the hotel that is within walking = distance. Kyle B. Irwin Organist - Curator First Baptist Church of Los Angeles
(back) Subject: Music In The Museum series From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:48:01 EDT Greetings, The Cincinnati Museum Center At Union Terminal has announced its 2004-2005 = concert series. 1. November 15, 2004; Peter Richard Conte 2. February 28, 2005; Clive Driskill-Smith (Christ Church Cathedral, = Oxford, England) 3. May 9, 2005; Kenneth Cowan All concerts ar at 7:30 PM. Ph. 1-800-733-2077 or e-mail at: email@example.com Website: www.cincymuseum.org Musically, Stan Krider
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia From: "Merry Foxworth" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:49:45 -0400 Yes indeed, the Reading Terminal Market was great. Also the fact that I = lucked out at the Marriott since I was in an executive part of the hotel = which had complimentary continental breakfast and hors d'ouvres (sp?) =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-=20 An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions:=20 "There let the pealing organ blow,=20 To the full-voiced choir below,=20 In service high, and anthems clear,=20 As may with sweetness, through mine ear,=20 Dissolve me into ecstasies,=20 And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes".=20 John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).=20 Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty=20 Boston, MA 02131 =20 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DudelK@aol.com=20 To: email@example.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: Philadelphia Indeed the weather was ghastly but my room at the Hilton around the = corner was blissfully chilly and it was worth it all to hear the twice = daily recitals at Wanamaker's plus the evening program. Not to mention = being right next to Reading Terminal Market and those heart-healthy low = carb cheesesteaks!=20
(back) Subject: RE: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:46:57 -0500 Thank you, Merry - I was just last night trying to remember from which John Milton work that quote derived. Glenda Sutton email@example.com -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Merry Foxworth Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:15 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville How about taking part of that money left in the will and set up an account for ongoing maintenance? =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:- An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).
(back) Subject: RE: longevity From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:04:45 +1200 >I know of several in my state in Australia that were built in the late 19th century and have been restored with = little or no alteration in recent years after more than 80 years of continuous service. The builders? Wm Hill and Son (UK), Fuller (Australia), Pease = (UK), Monk (UK), Clifton (West Aus.) all have organs here which fall into that category. There are also a number of Dodds from the early 20th C. which = have survived with little maintenance. And so many other makes as well. Bevington; Halmshaw; Bishop; Lewis; = Willis; Gray & Davison; Wadsworth; Abbot & Smith; Holdich; Rushworth & Dreaper, to name just a few. All of these built great tracker instruments which go on and on for generations. Ross --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 27/06/2004
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "Cole" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:41:09 -0400 Jan wrote: >Wish there were an AGO console in my area to put MIDI keys in ... the = wood >console would be attractive and the keys/sound generator(s) can be >replaced over-and-over again as technology fails or changes = significantly. http://www.bunnminnick.com/Console-Sales.htm in Columbus, Ohio has AGO consoles and there are many locations like this all over the USA. I am sure consoles can be found all over the world. = Google! Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw, Springfield, Ohio, USA