PipeChat Digest #4589 - Sunday, July 4, 2004
 
Positions Open in Ohio
  by "Rev. Ed" <edwardorgan@hotmail.com>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Is there a priest in the house?
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Please disregard . . .
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Diapason sample
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music (DON'T?) (grin)
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
RE: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Positions Open in Ohio From: "Rev. Ed" <edwardorgan@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:44:13 +0000     Subject: Positions Open in Ohio   First United Methodist Church 88 North Fifth Street PO Box 729 Newark, OH 43058-0729 > POSITION AVAILABLE: > Minister of Music, part-time, for an active United Methodist church in Newark, Ohio. Must be energetic, have good communication skills, an = active faith life, and a willingness to work as a team with the entire ministry = and worship staff. The Minister of Music, in conjunction with the clergy = staff, is responsible for planning and executing the music program for all church =   worship services,(traditional, contemporary, blended and casual weekly services) as well as special worship services and other music programs as may be scheduled. Responsibilities include supervising existing music = staff including youth and children's choir director, hand bell director, pianist =   and organist. Candidates should be knowledgeable and experienced in selecting Christian music, anthems and hymns to fit the style of each worship service. Salary commensurate with experience.   Please send resume with references and salary requirements to: John Denison, Chair of Staff Parish Relations, First United Methodist Church, PO Box 729, Newark, OH 43058-0729 or email John Denison, cjdenison@alltel.net by July 15, 2004. > POSITION AVAILABLE:   Director of Youth Music, part time, for an active United Methodist church = in Newark, Ohio. Must be energetic, have good communication skills, an = active faith life, and a willingness to work as a team with the entire ministry = and worship staff. The Director of Youth Music will coordinate and direct a music program, which meets the needs of all children of the church. Additional duties include recruiting of new members, selection of appropriate music to complement worship theme, direction of weekly rehearsals with each choir performing 10 times yearly plus an annual youth =   musical. Candidate should be knowledgeable and experienced in selecting Christian music suitable for various ages of youth choirs. Salary commensurate with experience. Please send resume with references and = salary requirements to John Denison, Chair of Staff Parish Relations, First United Methodist Church, PO Box 729, Newark, OH 43058-0729 or email John Denison, cjdenison@alltel.net by July 15, 2004.   _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access helps fight spam and pop-ups =96 now 2 = months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:27:50 -0500   Exactly. As I recall, this was originally a Pipe Organ console which had Saville components installed in it. A shell that is once again a shell. Has nothing to do with the longevity of pipe organs, electronic organs, reed organs, street = organs, or Aunt Minnie's organ.   Cheers,   T   ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville     > I am fascinated by the way that nobody seems to be able to take the original > poster on this topic at face value. The point of this thread was that a > Saville console shell was available. The instrument concerned was no longer > functioning adequately, so there is no point in discussing the = instrument > itself -- it is history. What we are talking about is merely the woodwork. > Generally speaking a console shell such as this costs at least $20,000 = to > make new, so one can save considerably by purchasing a secondhand one > cheap. It might be used for either a pipe organ or an electronic, so there > is no point in discussing the relative merits of pipe and electronic organs > in relation to it. One issue that might be relevant, however, and which = I > personally have no idea about either way, is whether as a piece of > woodworking Saville console shells are any good. Someone might wish to > address this issue. > > John Speller > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Is there a priest in the house? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:55:07 -0500   I need very quickly the Episcopal Preface for the Commemoration of the Dead (don't remember if there is different wording for Rite I and Rite II, but if so I need the latter). You know, the preface that is said as part of the Sursam Corda and before the Sanctus.   I thought I had it, but can't locate it quickly. No, there's no funeral going on at my house - it's a reference for a book.   Dank ou verrry much.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Please disregard . . . From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:07:13 -0500   I knew the minute I asked for the preface of the commemoration of the dead, I would find the preface, and I did. It is a sign of age that I mislay things so much lately.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Diapason sample From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 19:34:10 -0400   On 7/1/04 4:58 PM, "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> wrote:   > Please send free Diapason as mentioned. > Thanks   Doesn't sound to me like that's the way it's done.   Alan    
(back) Subject: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 18:38:05 -0700 (PDT)   Hi people Well, since Its summer, I only go to my office on Wednesdays during the = week to catch up and get ready for the weekend. So, I went in this past = wednesday all ready for this weekend and had already selected hymns for = this weekend. Since it's the scripture from Is. 66, when I ready it, I = immediately thought that the Processional hymn should be Marion/Rejoice Ye = Pure in Heart. Even whipped up a kick a%# final verse reharm. The closing = hymn was going to be St Anne/O God our Help...something churchly yet = comforting for the 4th of July...being that there are beheadings and = warfare, it would have been nice to sing about our eternal help. OK...theres a request for America songs...you know...about sheaves of = wheat for the Lil Red Hen on her purple mountain, and the Lord toppling = over a vintage grape-wrath. Whats a good speach to offer on the un-liturgical nature of singular = patriotic "hymns" to really adamant people?     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!
(back) Subject: Re: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 2:05:23 +0000   Hey, Desiree'...   Like you, I have little to no patriotic music for church. Of course, = tongue in cheek, you could say something like "Well, when they allow us to = put manger scenes in public places, we'll talk." :)   Seriously, though, I chose to avoid the "military" service for a couple of = reasons. 1) we just sang a lot of those on Memorial Day weekend, which = was just a scant 4 or 5 weeks ago.   2) There are a lot of other good hymns which reflect national themes. = Your choice of "Our God, Our Help" is perfect. I am using "Before You = Lord, We Bow" as another one, but during Communion only.   I did have a request for "Onward Christian Soldiers", which I honestly = forgot to use. But, back to my tongue-in-cheek comment, I'm not sure we = NEED to always put forth our red-white-blue hymnody. Surely there's = enough in the rest of the service: the prayers, the processional = (including the flag this time), perhaps the sermon?   Do you have any patriot organ music planned? ( I don't ) Perhaps sneak in = an additional communion hymn to satisfy those who would beef about it.   In short, deal with the situation depending on the complainer. One person = might be happy with a simple answer. The next might not. Maybe the Holy = Spirit will work through our congregations tomorrow, and there will be NO = complaining.   Hey! It could happen!! :)   Let us know how it went! Jeff   > From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> > Date: 2004/07/04 Sun AM 01:38:05 GMT > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music > > Hi people > > Well, since Its summer, I only go to my office on Wednesdays during the = week to catch up and get ready for the weekend. So, I went in this past = wednesday all ready for this weekend and had already selected hymns for = this weekend. Since it's the scripture from Is. 66, when I ready it, I = immediately thought that the Processional hymn should be Marion/Rejoice Ye = Pure in Heart. Even whipped up a kick a%# final verse reharm. The closing = hymn was going to be St Anne/O God our Help...something churchly yet = comforting for the 4th of July...being that there are beheadings and = warfare, it would have been nice to sing about our eternal help. > > OK...theres a request for America songs...you know...about sheaves of = wheat for the Lil Red Hen on her purple mountain, and the Lord toppling = over a vintage grape-wrath. > > Whats a good speach to offer on the un-liturgical nature of singular = patriotic "hymns" to really adamant people? > > > From Desiree' > T. Desiree' Hines > Chicago, IL 60610 > ---------------------------- > For Compositions by Desiree' > Frog Music Press > www.frogmusic.com > ------------------------------- > FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' > http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >    
(back) Subject: Re: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music (DON'T?) (grin) From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:19:56 -0700       T.Desiree' Hines wrote:   > > > Whats a good speach to offer on the un-liturgical nature of singular > patriotic "hymns" to really adamant people? > > > From Desiree' > T. Desiree' Hines > Chicago, IL 60610     We have a big argument about this every year on Anglican-Music ... as it happens, July 4 falls on Sunday this year, and there ARE Propers for the Mass of Independence Day in the US Prayer Book, so there can be no argument about it in the Anglican Church. If I'm not mistaken, there's a Votive Mass "pro patria" ("for our country") in the new Roman Missal as well, if not an actual set of Propers for July 4.   Here's what we almost invariably did on the Sunday nearest July 4, and/or on the day itself:   Pro - My Country, 'Tis of Thee Off - Lord God, We Worship Thee (Nun danket) - words in the Episcopal Hymnal 1940 Com - O God of Earth and Altar - words in the Episcopal Hymnal 1940 ... particularly appropriate THESE days (grin) Rec - America the Beautiful   The National Anthem is in our Hymnal; we usually sang that after the Recessional (grin).   I see no reason NOT to celebrate a Mass of Thanksgiving for Independence Day, NOR do I see a reason NOT to sing the hymns on the Sunday nearest. It's appropriate for the CHURCH to pray for the STATE, and for our Armed Forces in the field, whether or not one agrees with the war; it's NOT appropriate for the STATE to tell the Church HOW to pray.   If it BECOMES an occasion for partisan flag-waving, that's distasteful, to be sure ... but I still think it should be DONE ...   I've even done "Battle Hymn of the Republic" for the recessional on occasion (chuckle).   Yes, yes, I know all the contemporary liturgical arguments against all the above; I ignore them, unless we're being asked to bless guns, or a particular regime. THAT I WON'T do.   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:55:34 -0500   I'm not exactly sure why one wouldn't use patriotic hymns on July 4. Since patriotism is a virtue, there is no reason in my mind why we can't celebrate the birth of our nation in church. I have a hard time justifying the use of them during Communion, but for Opening and Closing, neither I nor the pastor see any trouble.   And why put the word _hymns_ in quotation marks? Many of them have as much religious sentiment, more eloquent wording, and more congregational- friendly melodies than modern attempts at hymns.   Alicia Zeilenga   > > Whats a good speach to offer on the un-liturgical nature of singular > patriotic "hymns" to really adamant people? > >      
(back) Subject: RE: How to explain the un-use of Patroitic music From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 00:21:03 -0500   I'm not suggesting we don't include patriotic hymns. I just made a = decision NOT to this time around. We've done a full service that we sort of gave = the affectionate name of "Freedom Fest" to a couple of years ago. That isn't = to say that looking back that maybe I should have included more, but = honestly, we don't have a lot in our hymnals that we didn't just sing back at the = end of May.   Like Bud said, if it becomes a flag-waving service, that I would have more of a problem with. However, we have the closing of Vacation Bible School, plus we have a send off rite for the youth going to Work Camp. It just seemed like too much.   Now, last Sunday was a contemporary worship service, and our Praise band leader did sing "Proud to be an American" during the offering collection. = I heard mixed reaction: some felt it was inappropriate, others had to wipe tears from their eyes (for emotional reasons, not because the music was bad...which it wasn't.) This coming Sunday, I might throw in a couple = more of our "Freedom" songs (because it's a contemporary service again.)   Perhaps, Desiree', you could clarify what you meant by "un-liturgical = nature of singular patriotic hymns?" That might help us understand where you = were going with that.   Regards, jeff   > > Whats a good speach to offer on the un-liturgical nature of singular > > patriotic "hymns" to really adamant people?