PipeChat Digest #4600 - Wednesday, July 7, 2004 Re: canned music and righteous indignation by <Joshwwhite@aol.com> Re: 2 More Estey Questions by "Jan Nijhuis" <email@example.com> Re: Firestorm by <Swedish5702@aol.com> Re: (no subject) by <Swedish5702@aol.com> Westminster Abbey by "alan taylor" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: canned music and righteous indignation From: <Joshwwhite@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:47:49 EDT I am concerned by some churches "casual" attitude toward worship, music, = and musicians! Many wonderful churches around that are in desperate need for = organists. Yet there are churches that treat their organists as if they = would rather not have them there at all. Sometimes it seems as if the mere presence of the organs' sound, outside of the opening and closing hymns, = is some sort of disrespectful interruption of some peoples' personal greeting = time. I am not saying that my church has not had this problem in the past. In fact, we just changed the word "Prelude" to "Musical Offering", so people = do not overlook the prelude as glorified elevator music. We want worshippers to = know the prelude is an offering to God not only to signify that the = service has just begun, but also alerts parishioners to observe a time of silence, = and get their thoughts and mind ready for the upcoming worship service. As = the organist, I take the prelude as seriously as I do the opening voluntary = and the offertory-as does our new pastor. As far as the postude, I normally do not expect people to listen = silently, because there are time constraints for both morning services. If the Benediction was after the postlude, this would change. If the services are in the hands of capable musicians, there is no reason = to use prerecorded music. However, if the services are not in the hands of = a capable musician, there must be a compromise, and a decision should be = made in favor of what most enhances the service. It seems to me that the people = who made the decision to use taped music in Tom's church just wanted a chance = to control the volume of the prelude to make it easier to talk over. = However, I love what Mr. Peery said about the Holy Spirit having a chance to = influence the prelude, because it is usually the churches who focus primarily of = the reign of the Holy Spirit who USE prerecorded music on a regular basis, my = parents church being one of them. These are just my opinions on the subject, and are in no way intended to bash those churches who do use prerecorded music, or do not observe = silence during the prelude. In realizing that many churches may not ever change, = it is more than likely better for everyone if the organist is willing to = compromise, and work out an agreeable policy in regard to the use of prerecorded = music. The subject of presenting the prelude as a time to observe silence should = be taught to the congregation by example of the clergy, choir, and in the = music chosen. Thanks, Josh White
(back) Subject: Re: 2 More Estey Questions From: "Jan Nijhuis" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:09:58 +0800 Phil, I love the work your doing to catalog these Esteys! While I can't claim to = have any knowledge, "photographs" 1 through 9 look more like = photorealistic drawings, possibly for an architect. If that's true, photo = number one was destined for an installation somewhere south of the border. = (Might want to flip that one rightside up.) By the looks of 11B and 14, Both Harps and (ornate) Grand Pianos we = required accessories for the Estey Residence Pipe Organ. Question, is there an organ in #13, or is the photo inteneded to give a = more complete account of an installation to aid us in placing the = instrument? Thanks again for the historical work, it is appreciated! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Stimmel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:14:41 -0400 To: "PIPEORG-L" <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> Subject: 2 More Estey Questions > Hello- > I need to indulge the readers of this list with two more questions = relating > to Estey organs......this time the Residence instruments. > > 1) I have numerous photos of residence organs that I need help = identifying: > http://www.esteyorgan.com/photographs.html I have accumulated these = from a > number of sources, and would like to attach an opus number to each = photo. > > 2) Does anyone know of Estey residence organs that are still in their > original locations and relatively unchanged? It seems that with the = major > societal changes from the 1920's & 30's that very many of these = instruments > have been torn out, junked, or drastically modified. > > Phil > The Estey Pipe Organ > www.esteyorgan.com -- Jan Nijhuis email@example.com -- _______________________________________________ Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143
(back) Subject: Re: Firestorm From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 02:48:24 EDT It became blue when a poster responded and noted the comments I raised = about the ELCA and America were a cheap shot. I don't care who it is...when it comes to our beloved country I let loose. = In our beloved country are small and large pipe organs. It is all tied = together and if you don't get my meaning shame on YOU!
(back) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 02:54:17 EDT Karl: What will the tab be? I am interested. Best, Craig
(back) Subject: Westminster Abbey From: "alan taylor" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:58:49 +0100 Afraid not Ross. The stops (two flutes on the choir organ) are now thought to have been by Hill. It would seem that Hill would sometimes play a joke = by making pipes look old. The experts say the stops are Victorian. >True. There are some very old stops: E.Power Biggs demonstrated two of = them in "The Art of the Organ". The nave at Westminster Abbey wasn't available for the laity. The monks controlled how the church was used. Their rule was that there must be silence at all times. Any talking was to be at a whisper. There were problems when royal visitors (Westminster Palace was next door) visited. They proved harder to control. (No change here then) St Margaret's next = door was built for the laity. >Remember, too, and this point has not been made in the last few days, = that in the great monastic churches and in the cathedrals, the nave was never intended for congregational use. In fact, the nave was usually as a = sort-of parading ground for the local townspeople, often a market-place, and so = on. It was only really in the 19thC that there began to be diocesan and nave-full occasions. With this in mind, the screen was in fact the west = end for quire services, and the organ on the screen was thus effectively at = the West end as well. The screen is indeed old. The original stone screen is enclosed inside of the Scott outer casing. >I'm not certain how much of Westminster Abbey's screen is all that old, anyway. Certainly, Scott had one mighty lot to do with altering it and Providing new quire furnishings, as in so many other places. Alan Taylor London