PipeChat Digest #4603 - Thursday, July 8, 2004
 
Preludes/Postludes
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: Righteous indignation!
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
OHS 2005
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Righteous indignation!
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
EVERETT WASHINGTON "SILENTS, PLEASE!" FILM SERIES
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: William Watkins - RIP
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: Righteous indignation!
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Righteous indignation!
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: canned music and righteous indignation
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
RE: preludes, postludes, and chatter
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: OHS 2005
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Righteous indignation!
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Free Organ Blower in South England
  by <rh@chiff.co.uk>
Amazing Grace
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
RE: Amazing Grace
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Amazing Grace
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Righteous indignation!
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
RE: Amazing Grace
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: Preludes/Postludes From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:32:14 -0700   In Roman Catholic circles, it has become fashionable to make the "narthex" into a sizeable gathering area where people can greet one another as the assembly gathers. The expectation is that once folks enter the worship space, they are entering "holy ground" and are to take on a attitude of respect/reverence that is expected in a building that is special, be it secular or sacred.   At it's best, worship has a balanced tension between the horizontal and vertical dimensions - worship of God and communion with those around you. If the worship goes too much in either direction, it fails to do what it should.   If a church has a "fellowship hall" or "gathering place", that is where the loud conversation should be taking place. The interaction between worshippers is very important, but people need to have boundaries pastorally delineated.   When I play in a worship space that is treated as the conversation area, I don't bother to compete by playing prelude or postlude music and getting upset because people are talking...it's simply not worth the angst. I save the organ solos for some other time in the service/liturgy.    
(back) Subject: Re: Righteous indignation! From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 07:47:31 -0500   Talking about lapses of taste, my story about the differences between = denominations concerns three men who had been consigned to Hell and were = going through the paperwork at the check-in desk. =20   "What denomination are you, and what are you here for?" the = demon-in-charge asked the first man. =20   "I'm a Methodist and I'm here for drunkenness," he said. =20   "I'm a Baptist," said the second, "and I'm here for debauchery." =20   "I'm an Episcopalian," said the third, "and I'm here because I used the = wrong fork for my salad."   John Speller
(back) Subject: OHS 2005 From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:11:11 -0400   The OHS 2005 National Convention is in Southeastern Massachusetts from = July 12 to 19, 2005 with Headquarters in Brockton MA. Co-Chairmen are Richard Hill and = Matthew Bellochio. Pipe organs will be visited in New Bedford, Fall River, Brockton, Taunton, Plymouth, Providence RI, and smaller towns along the way. Performers include Thomas Murray and Lorenz Maycher. The 2006 Convention is in the Saratoga Springs area of upstate New York.   Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Righteous indignation! From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:55:07 EDT   John, I have heard a "local" version of this joke here in Boston:   ......I'm a Unitarian, and I'm here for intolerance ......I'm a Congregationalist, and I'm here for unpaid parking tickets ......I'm an Episcopalian, and I'm here for failing to pay for my sherry = at the Church of the Advent's "coffee" hour.   Thanks for the laugh! Bill H.  
(back) Subject: EVERETT WASHINGTON "SILENTS, PLEASE!" FILM SERIES From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:10:19 EDT   "Silents, Please!": Five classic silent films starring the legendary = Rudolph Valentino are being shown in July and August at the historic Everett = Theatre in downtown Everett. The screenings are accompanied by international = touring theatre organist Dennis James on the theater's 16-rank Kimball-Wurlitzer = pipe organ. The movies are among Valentino's greatest: "The Eagle," "The = Conquering Power," "The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse," "The Sheik" and "The Son of = the Sheik." They will be shown on Tuesday nights July 6 through Aug. 3. The Valentino movie series is funded in part by EverTrust Bank. The Everett = Theatre's pipe organ is maintained in part by funds from Fluke Electronics.   Everett residents of the 1920s used to travel by trolley car up Hewitt = Avenue to 29th and Colby to let Hollywood take them to worlds beyond the confines = of the Historic Everett Theater with a silent movie. Five cents bought you a =   double feature with a Coke and if you were lucky, you also had a pretty = girl at your side to watch with you. Don't you think it's time to relive that = magic once again? SILENTS, PLEASE! is a revival of those special times in our = past, made more memorable in the newly restored Historic Everett Theater. Tickets are $5 to $11 at the box office with discount tickets available = when purchasing admission to all five films. The box office is open Tuesday = through Saturday from noon to 5:00 pm, and for 30 minutes before the show.   The Historic Everett Theatre 2911 Colby Avenue Everett, WA 98201 Contact: Randy Mather 425.258.6766   Listing sent from: Silent Film Concerts 7095 Hollywood Boulevard, #483 Hollywood, CA 90028-8903 USA Phone: 323-883-1514 E-mail: muscur@aol.com   To be removed from this mailing list, please respond with written request = to muscur@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: William Watkins - RIP From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:26:28 -0400   As an added note, since I have been researching this with Brent Johnson of OrganLive.com, in regards to the Aeolian-Skinner King of Instrument Series of recordings. We recently discovered, through the help of Lorenz Maycher, that the "Staff Organist" on Volume II was William Watkins. I am saddened to hear of his passing.   Mack   Matt Rhodes wrote:   >Didn't know if any list members may have known this gentleman, = particularly those of you who may have studied at Peabody; his obituary = was in today's Washington Post. > >William F. Watkins Organist, Choir Director > >William F. Watkins, 82, organist and choir director emeritus at = Georgetown Presbyterian Church in Washington, died of acute respiratory = failure June 17 at Washington Hospice. > > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Righteous indignation! From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:46:52 -0500   > Glenda (who has just been paid for the last of her 8 weeks' subbing, > = and was stiffed a Sunday by the Episcopalians).   Glenda.   You're a lawyer.   SUE the bastards!   Winning would be better than a degree anyway!   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS  
(back) Subject: Re: Righteous indignation! From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:49:20 -0500   TheShieling wrote: > RC's sin, but only confess when already found out. > Lutherans would define living as a sin. > Anglicans abolish sin by defining it as merely an accretion of > enculturations, to be changed at will.   I dunno. I've always thought the BAPTISTS were the ones who were never quite sure of forgiveness.   Being Lutheran, I always learned that we could live dirty and sleep clean. Not really, but sometimes, that's the way it just *seems* to work. . .   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS  
(back) Subject: Re: canned music and righteous indignation From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:56:06 EDT   At a former church they tried playing "canned" gospel music before the service began and having the Prelude after the choir came in. Most of the = older people requested an end to the "canned" music, saying they enjoyed = listening to the organ as they entered the sanctuary. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:57:01 -0400   A professor of mine once said that the Postlude should send the = congregation out joyfully. At the end of our ELCA Lutheran services, the presider = proclaims, "Go in peace. Serve the Lord." To which the congregation responds, "Thanks be to =   God." The postlude that follows, then, should propel ppl out the door to = Serve the Lord. Maybe the Benedictions that precede the postlude in liturgies other = than the Lutheran ones should be a combination of blessing AND sending.   -Shirley          
(back) Subject: RE: preludes, postludes, and chatter From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:14:17 -0400   Of course when I play a postlude, the people really get propelled out of = the church from the sheer magnitude of sound coming forth from the = organ----LOL=20   Tom Hoehn, Organist Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes, Ellenton, FL (substitute - 4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/9?- = Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks) Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/DTOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOUploads/   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Shirley > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 12:57 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter >=20 >=20 > A professor of mine once said that the Postlude should send the=20 > congregation out=20 > joyfully. At the end of our ELCA Lutheran services, the presider=20 > proclaims, "Go in=20 > peace. Serve the Lord." To which the congregation responds,=20 > "Thanks be to=20 > God." The postlude that follows, then, should propel ppl out the=20 > door to Serve the=20 > Lord. Maybe the Benedictions that precede the postlude in=20 > liturgies other than the=20 > Lutheran ones should be a combination of blessing AND sending. >=20 > -Shirley >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20        
(back) Subject: Re: OHS 2005 From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 13:46:59 -0400   > The 2006 Convention is in the Saratoga Springs area of upstate New York.   Wow! That MUST include Round Lake, but I hope it will get to = Watervliet, Albany, Troy, too. The big Odell in Troy is also a MUST.   Are dates established for 2006 yet?   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Righteous indignation! From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:48:18 -0500   Q: What's the difference between the Episcopalians and the Baptists?   A: The Episcopalians will speak to you in the liquor store.   (sound cue: rimshot/cymbal)   ;-) Tim       At 11:49 AM 7/8/2004, you wrote: >I dunno. I've always thought the BAPTISTS were the ones who were >never quite sure of forgiveness.    
(back) Subject: Re: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:56:32 +0000   Curious...we must be the only ones doing this differently. Our services = conclude as follows:   Post Communion Prayer Benediction Dismissal (Go in peace...) Recessional Hymn Postlude.   Is this unusual? I keep hearing that in a lot of places, the Dismissal is = between the final hymn and postlude.   Jeff   > From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> > Date: 2004/07/08 Thu PM 04:57:01 GMT > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter > > A professor of mine once said that the Postlude should send the = congregation out > joyfully. At the end of our ELCA Lutheran services, the presider = proclaims, "Go in > peace. Serve the Lord." To which the congregation responds, "Thanks be = to > God." The postlude that follows, then, should propel ppl out the door = to Serve the > Lord. Maybe the Benedictions that precede the postlude in liturgies = other than the > Lutheran ones should be a combination of blessing AND sending. > > -Shirley > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:19:21 EDT   Jeff, At SJE, following Rite II in the BCP, there is first a post-communion = HYMN, then a post-communion PRAYER, then the Blessing (Benediction). The Deacon = then intones the "Ite, Missa Est" ("Go in peace to love and serve the Lord. (R) =   Thanks be to God", which varies from liturgical season to liturgical = season). The Priest and the Sacred Ministers recess to the Organ Postlude, for which = most parishioners remain.   Bill H.  
(back) Subject: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:44:37 -0400   On 7/8/04 12:57 PM, "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> wrote:   > A professor of mine once said that the Postlude should send the = congregation > out joyfully.   Sure. Why not? Except the "organ groupies" (of which we have six to = twelve every Sunday, out of under 100), who stick around to listen and wish for MORE.   But in the usual ELCA sequence that's been preceded by the Blessing (formerly "Benediction") (by presider, from the altar). Then the recessional.   > At the end of our ELCA Lutheran services, the presider proclaims, "Go in > peace. Serve the Lord." To which the congregation responds, "Thanks be = to > God."   That's assigned to an Assisting Minister ("Deacon"), and spoken from the doors to the narthex.   > The postlude that follows, then, should propel ppl out the door to Serve = the > Lord. Maybe the Benedictions that precede the postlude in liturgies = other > than the Lutheran ones should be a combination of blessing AND sending.   Nahhh. Pretty much two different things. By different folks. = Pfatteicher, "Manual," pp. 248-9.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Free Organ Blower in South England From: <rh@chiff.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:02:29 +0100   Hi List,   I'm not certain of the exact specifications but here is what I know: Approximately 26" diameter Discus blower made by Watkins and Watson. 1HP, single phase, 220/240V, 1425 rpm induction motor. I haven't tested it but see no reason why it wouldn't work.   Offered for free as long as you come and collect it. It's located in Worthing, West Sussex, England.   I bought this from eBay a few months ago but didn't realise how big and heavy it was!   Contact me privately if you want more details or pictures.   Roy Hopkins      
(back) Subject: Amazing Grace From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:04:08 -0500   To pick-up on comments by Glenda and Randy, the fascination with = =91Amazing Grace=92 intriguing. It seems that the theology of the words is accurate: = Grace (by implication =91grace of God=92), is what called us, saved us, = gets us through life=92s trials, and will lead us to our eternal home. I=92ve used this progression many times in sermons, and would not have had there been any Biblical discrepancy.   Regarding the character of the author, Paul felt that it regardless of motive, or person preaching, it was OK, since the gospel message was being proclaimed =96 Phil 1:16-18.   The other area of interest would be the music itself (keeping in line with organs!). Wasn=92t the tune popularized about 25+ years ago on popular radio. Can=92t remember the performer. Bagpipes tend to be used frequently, especially by the NYPD band and others for funerals, and without regard to the words. So there must be something in the musical structure that gives a pleasant feeling to the listener.   Could it be the =BE Waltz-like tempo? Love Lifted Me is also used in many =   secular venues; Rock of Ages (Toplady) is another, each of which are in = =BE.   Could it be the 1 octave middle range that it is written in, which make it very singable for most people? Or, perhaps it=92s the instrument used. Organ is my preferred instrument for Amazing Grace. With all respect, the piano accompaniment doesn=92t give me the same feeling as organ. (Biased? Maybe!). Bagpipes are novel!!! I play accordion, and just the mention of it is good for a laugh.   Seriously, I don=92t want to minimize the meaning or value of Amazing Grace. My vote is that the words are valid, whether the author followed them or not. But what makes a hymn loved and accepted may be different for each person. The =91preacher=92 in me hopes it=92s the words, the =91musician=92 in me hopes it=92s the music.     David E   David Evangelides International Bible Society Colorado Springs, CO      
(back) Subject: RE: Amazing Grace From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:20:40 +1200     >The other area of interest would be the music itself (keeping in line=20 with organs!). Wasn=92t the tune popularized about 25+ years ago on=20 popular radio. Can=92t remember the performer. Bagpipes tend to be = used=20 frequently, especially by the NYPD band and others for funerals, and=20 without regard to the words. So there must be something in the musical=20 structure that gives a pleasant feeling to the listener.   The hymn only became a hit because of the 7" 45rpm disc put out by the = Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, yes. I still have two copies of this.   >Or, perhaps it=92s the instrument used. Organ is my preferred = instrument=20 for Amazing Grace. With all respect, the piano accompaniment doesn=92t=20 give me the same feeling as organ. (Biased? Maybe!). Bagpipes are=20 novel!!! I play accordion, and just the mention of it is good for a=20 laugh.   Bagpipes "novel"? In what way? There were recordings made of pipes with organ way back in the 1920s, and have been many more since.=20   >My vote is that the words are valid, whether the author followed=20 them or not. But what makes a hymn loved and accepted may be different=20 for each person. The =91preacher=92 in me hopes it=92s the words,=20 the =91musician=92 in me hopes it=92s the music.   Yes, exactly. If we were to worry about the quality of life of the = writer of a hymn, we'd probably have to exclude a great many fine hymns, and also exclude many organists and composers if we were to worry about who wrote = the tune.   Just as St Paul was converted on the Damascus Road and became a man = worthy of his calling, so I believe was John Newton. As Rector of St Mary's Woolnoth in London he was one of the most dearly-loved CofE priests in = the whole of England, for many years.=20   Ross=20   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 5/07/2004 =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Amazing Grace From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:03:27 -0500   Hello,   This whole discussion of the worthiness of the author reminds me of my late neighbor. She was the grandmother of the entire neighborhood, and every one of her "grandchildren" prayed for her conversion until she died, still as far as we know, an agnostic.   She had been a writer of Christian books and articles, even though she said that she had lost her faith when she was younger than I am. If one read her books, one would have thought she was a convinced Christian. Her explanation of the Bible as the Word of God was well-reasoned and convincing, but she apparently did not have the gift of faith. One of her articles on the Christ of the Andes will be ever etched in my mind as an example of the peace Christ can bring. She even asked her friend to bring her Catholic "grandchildren" rosaries that had been blessed by the Pope when her friend was in Rome and I used mine. It seems that God can work through anyone He chooses.   The story of how she lost her faith is rather amusing. She was asked to substitute for the organist one Sunday when she was in college. She did, but during the Offeratory the book slipped off the music desk and fell out of her reach. Since the only thing she had ever played from memory was "Farmer in the Dell", she played this for Offeratory. She said that no one noticed -at least no one scolded her- and she figured that if all these Christians were doing was counting their money, there was nothing to Christianity.   Alicia      
(back) Subject: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:08:46 +0200   In the Norwegian State Church we have "family" services once in a month, with "lighter" liturgy and "more youthful" elements. Many families with small children attend these, and there's quite a lot of chatting in between them :-) The "good" thing for me as the organist is that much less preparation is required, but the salary equals a regular High Mass.   One of these Sundays I chose the Bach G-minor Fantasy as Prelude. Some would perhaps argue that's not a suitable piece for a family service, but it actually fit rather nicely with the sermon. The chat volume was even louder than usual during the bell ringing (last five minutes before the service starts), but when the organ thundered into the first chords of the Fantasy -- dead quiet! Wish I had been able to see the facial expressions of those expecting some "light" music :-D They remained remarkably quiet during the whole service, for some reason...   - Jarle  
(back) Subject: RE: Righteous indignation! From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:57:52 -0500   But Richard, would that be in good taste?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Richard Schneider Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:47 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Righteous indignation!   > Glenda (who has just been paid for the last of her 8 weeks' subbing, > and was stiffed a Sunday by the Episcopalians).   Glenda.   You're a lawyer.   SUE the bastards!   Winning would be better than a degree anyway!          
(back) Subject: RE: Amazing Grace From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:00:19 -0500   Now if not listening to the organist's music sent one to hell, . . . .   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alicia Zeilenga The story of how she lost her faith is rather amusing. She was asked to   substitute for the organist one Sunday when she was in college. She did, but during the Offeratory the book slipped off the music desk and fell out of her reach. Since the only thing she had ever played from memory was "Farmer in the Dell", she played this for Offeratory. She said that no one noticed -at least no one scolded her- and she figured that if all these Christians were doing was counting their money, there was nothing to Christianity.