PipeChat Digest #4604 - Friday, July 9, 2004
HELP! Learning High Church musicianship (Anglo-Cath, Epis)
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: HELP! Learning High Church musicianship (Anglo-Cath, Epis)
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
learning high-churchery, p.s.
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>

(back) Subject: HELP! Learning High Church musicianship (Anglo-Cath, Epis) From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT)   Hi list Well thanks to Bill G. From St Johns Bowdoin St for being a good online = mentor to me. BUD i need your help too!!!! and anyone else who can point me where to = learn how to be a damned good high-church musician. I'm getting to the point to where I am applying for jobs, and they send me = a reply saying that "Yes we would love to welcome you to our list of = finalists! Heres the 8 page description of the position!" Immediately...I = think Dream job...tons of choirs, I would actually have parishioners to = listen to a 10 minute prelude sequence of Vierne 24 Pieces in Free Style = etc. BUT...I honestly tell myself...when I see that there is a heavy = amount of choral music...I need to study more Sacred Choral Music and how = they worship in a REAL high church. (Not just the basics like Martin = Shaw's With a Voice of Singing and the Mozart Ave Verum). While I studied = it with Susan Ferre', I know that the only way to get the REAL gist of = working in a high-church setting is doing understudies/internships. You = can study all you can in college and write papers..but learning is doing = and doing is learning. Interestingly the person who is filling in John Walkers place at Shadyside = Pres in Pittsburg is leaving another esteemed position. He was hired = because of his expertise with sacred choral music. So Finally making up my mind, in December, I am auditioning for Mannes = School of Music to get into their BM in Choral Music and Conducting = program...the only one in the USA that I know of, besides Westminster, = that is independent of an Elementary Education component. It will be best = for me, while i continue independent organ study, or go to Westminster and = finish double major. Its so overwhelming to get job descriptions for = places where each choir practices 5 hours a week! I want that...but I = sometimes withdraw my name and tell the perspective employer that I'm not = ready for it...yet. It's easy to work for those places that are not so high church: broad = church. To make long short...I want some hands-on learning-is-doing for a while. = Where's a good place to start besides the latest treatise on Ren. = Polyphony?     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!
(back) Subject: Re: HELP! Learning High Church musicianship (Anglo-Cath, Epis) From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:56:21 -0700   Unfortunately, many of the books are long out of print. You can occasionally pick them up used. Here's a basic list off the top of my = head:   Ritual Notes - check the Anglican Catholic Church Original Province website ... they have reprinted it, but it may be currently out of stock   The Peoples' Anglican Missal - ditto   The Anglican Breviary - ditto   Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described - Fortescue & O'Connell - Image Books has reprinted this in paperback, I think -- everything it says about the Roman Rite applies to the old Anglican rite, except praying for the Pope (in MOST cases) <G>   The Rev'd Dr. G.H. Palmer - The Plainchant Gradual, Parts I-II, III-IV - Sisters of St. Mary, Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK - long out of print, but it turns up occasionally -- the original Gregorian melodies with English texts   The Rev'd Dr. G.H. Palmer - The Sarum Psalter - ditto   The Rev'd Dr. G.H. Palmer - The Order of Vespers - ditto   English Gradual I (chant Ordinaries), English Gradual II (Psalm-tone Propers) - Francis Burgess. GIA *may* still have this ... tell them to look in their RSCM catalog   Liturgical Choir Books - Burgess - GIA - you need ALL of them - they're the standard for the old-line anglo-catholic churches   Anglican Ways - Everett Titcomb - H.W. Gray - out of print   The Parson's Handbook - Percy Dearmer - you need the 11th edition, NOT the 12th edition, which was monkeying with by a student of his.   But you're right ... in the last analysis, you need to spend as much time as possible at The Ascension in Chicago or St. Luke's in Evanston .... go whenever you're not playing.   It would take a LIFETIME to write a "Customary" for anglo-catholic worship ... I keep trying (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud              
(back) Subject: learning high-churchery, p.s. From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:19:07 -0700   You also need a copy of the 1933 edition of THE ENGLISH HYMNAL (no other will do) ... it fills in ALL the holes in the 1940 and the 1982 Episcopal Hymnals.   Also Songs of Syon (Woodward), if you can lay hands on a used copy. Out of print.   Being a high-church organist is as much about knowing LITURGY as it is knowing MUSIC.   The basic Anglican CHORAL repertoire is contained in:   (Oxford University Press)   Oxford Easy Anthems Oxford New Easy Anthems The Church Anthem Book The New Church Anthem Book Anthems For Choirs 1,2,3 (4 is for equal voices) Hymns For Choirs (Willcocks) the Carols for Choir series Oxford Book of Carols Tudor Anthem Book (is that the name of it?)   (Novello)   Novello's Anthem Book   Unfortunately, most of the SERVICE MUSIC is out of print, though I understand Novello has some kind of print-on-demand series. I managed to get Croft's Burial Sentences directly from the Abbey, in a much-used photocopy (chuckle).   Anglo-catholic Masses in English ... dear! There are so many, and they're MOSTLY out of print ... the whole Faith Press series ... Oxford's catalog still has a good number of things ... sadly, a lot of H.W. Gray's Communion Services have been allowed to go out of print, including Canon Douglas' adaptations of Plainsong.   OH! That's another book you need: The St. Dunstan Kyriale (H.W. Gray, out of print).   Organ music: the T.T. Noble accompaniment books, Thalben-Ball's 100 Introductions to Hymns, the blue free accompaniment book from RSCM, Oldroyd's Liturgical Improvisations, Bairstow's hymn accompaniments.   Plainsong Psalter accompaniment - Dr. Willan's Canadian Psalter, which I understand is still in print   You're also faced with a tri-ritual situation ... some anglo-catholic churches follow the Tridentine Rite and use the Anglican/American Missal and the 1928 Book of Common Prayer and the one-year lectionary; others use the 1979 Book of Common Prayer and follow the 3-year lectionary, but may use either Rite I (traditional language) or Rite II (modern language -- basically the present Roman Mass with a few Anglican things thrown in).   For finding your way through all THAT, you need Mason Martens' "The Traditional Anthems of the Eucharist" (in manuscript, out of print), Ordo Cantus Missae (Libreria Editrice Vaticana), or the Graduale Romanum (1975 edition, available from GIA) so you can cross reference the chants from the Anglican Missal with the three-year lectionary.   A book for the new rites: Occasional Services - The Rev. Dennis Michno = (sp?)   More as I think of it ...   Cheers,   Bud                  
(back) Subject: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:40:37 +0100   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter     A professor of mine once said that the Postlude should send the congregation out joyfully. At the end of our ELCA Lutheran services, the presider proclaims, "Go in peace. Serve the Lord." To which the congregation responds, "Thanks be to God."   The postlude that follows, then, should propel peopl out the door to Serve the Lord. _________________________   So far, so good; in theory. However, modern practise has inserted the opportunity for the congregation to fraternise with the clergy, in a sort of post-eucharistic, post climax-tic stupor, aided and a-betted by copious volumes of the cheapest-possible 'special-offer', powdered, instant coffee, drunk from flimsy paper-cups, and the expectation of discussion (chatter) of every topic under the sun (other than points of religion or philosophy which the sermon may have touched upon). So much for the congregation leaving in anything under 20/30 minutes.   So, what to choose for the 'Concluding Voluntary' ?   Well, ANYTHING. I do try to have the same composer 'fore-and-aft' since I feel that it gives a feeling of continuity of style. I also try to have something suitable to the overall dynamic of the = service which has preceded - "joyful" is only one of the emotions which should be stimulated during the service and then maintained in the following music.   And some composers are better than others in certain emotional = departments.   I do hope the congregation appreciates all the thought that goes into supporting their Sunday morning 'tea-party' (although sometimes I have 'naughty thoughts' when I remember the lyrics of Brell's 'La Danse du = Tea).   Harry Grove [a.k.a. musicman]      
(back) Subject: Re: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:40:11 -0500   That's how Roman Catholics do it, and one of the reasons why it's so hard to get Catholics to sing all the verses of the closing hymn. Alicia Zeilenga     -----Original Message--- From: <reedstop@charter.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:56:32 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: preludes, postludes, and chatter   > Curious...we must be the only ones doing this differently. Our > services conclude as follows: > > Post Communion Prayer > Benediction > Dismissal (Go in peace...) > Recessional Hymn > Postlude. > > Is this unusual? I keep hearing that in a lot of places, the Dismissal > is between the final hymn and postlude. >