PipeChat Digest #4607 - Saturday, July 10, 2004
 
Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable?
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
OHS Buffalo List
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable?
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable?
  by "Richard Huggins" <huggins88@yahoo.com>
Re: OHS Buffalo List
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
re:Hammond wanna be's
  by "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net>
Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Lot of Grace
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Graceful chords
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Last verses
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Felix Hell in Laconia, New Hampshire
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: Felix Hell in Laconia, New Hampshire
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Specification:  Sacred Heart, Laconia, NH
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: OHS Buffalo List
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
TAN :  Stupid Music Jokes
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: Specification:  Sacred Heart, Laconia, NH
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: OHS Buffalo List
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: OHS Buffalo List
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable?
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: OHS Buffalo List
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Felix Hell in Laconia, New Hampshire
  by <ctwomey@fcgnetworks.net>
Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable?
  by "Mura Kievman" <mkievman@nyc.rr.com>
Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable? From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:11:38 -0400   From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> "Not necessarily, Emily. If 10 minutes is all this singer can devote to leading others (and him/herself) in worshipping Almighty GOD, perhaps the privilege should be offered to someone more keen (and interested) in presenting a "sacrifice of praise." ?"   Sorry I didn't offer specifics which would have prevented the assumptions you make. This is an instrumental soloist on the grad student level who is (I assume) being paid to make a guest appearance. He'll play some unaccompanied stuff for the prelude, and for the offertory the piece I'm presently rushing to learn. His part appears to be *extremely* easy <g>. Nonetheless, I'm sure that over time he's spent much more than 10 minutes = on this material specifically and generally in learning to play his = instrument.   Ours is a small congregation and this is the only outside soloist we'll = have over the course of the summer. Our members who fill in and sing have so = far been diligent and easy to work with.   I don't really know more specifics than these, so I'm hardly in a position to judge whether this individual's participation is "worthy" from a spiritual standpoint. As I said, I'm not the person responsible for = engaging him--I just work there.I was simply looking for some feedback on what = kinds of time frames are considered usual and/or typical for preparing accompaniments.    
(back) Subject: OHS Buffalo List From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:21:47 -0500   This is the list that I have collected of those attending the OHS Convention starting on Wednesday:   Pete Isherwood Harry. Martenas Karl Moyer Scott Foppiano Malcolm Wechsler Christopher Howerter Jarle Fagerheim Bodil Fagerheim (Jarle's mother) Will Scarboro Sand Lawn Dave Clark Vic Ferrer Bruce Dersch Andres Gunther Paul Emmons Sebastian Gluck TommyLee Whitlock Jon Habermaas   And of course your List Administrators - David Scribner and Tim Bovard   I do know of at least one other List Member that will be in Buffalo - Felix Hell, who I am sure many of us are looking forward to hearing either for the first time or again for those of us that have heard him in the past.   I'm also trying to figure out who on the above list "wins" the prize for travelling the furthest seeing that Jarle and Bodil are coming from Norway and Andres is coming from Venezuela.   Speaking of Jarle and Bodil - if you haven't listened to their performances as published on John Foss' site [http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/downloads.htm] you should make it a point to. Jarle's performance [http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/media/fagerheim/bwv542_1jarleb2.mp= 3] was recorded 2 years ago when he was 12! Looks like we have another Felix in the making. <grin> Bodil's can be found at: http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/media/fagerheim/bach_concerto_g_maj= or.mp3   Looking forward to seeing all of you in Buffalo!   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable? From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:47:38 -0400   Instrumental accompaniments can be very difficult, as compared to those = for voice. If you don't have enough time to prepare because the soloist = hasn't given you the music early enough, I'd suggest faking your part by = analyzing the harmony, just including enough notes to support the soloist. After = all, the congregation will be listening to him, not to you. The important = thing is to keep the tempo going. Is this a 20th-century piece?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu     > > Sorry I didn't offer specifics which would have prevented the = assumptions > you make. This is an instrumental soloist on the grad student level who = is > (I assume) being paid to make a guest appearance. He'll play some > unaccompanied stuff for the prelude, and for the offertory the piece I'm > presently rushing to learn. His part appears to be *extremely* easy <g>. > Nonetheless, I'm sure that over time he's spent much more than 10 = minutes on > this material specifically and generally in learning to play his = instrument.    
(back) Subject: Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable? From: "Richard Huggins" <huggins88@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:58:21 -0500   > From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> > What's a reasonable and customary time frame for me to be given the > accompaniments in order to have time to practice them prior to either > rehearsing with the soloist, or for performing them on Sunday?   The fault may be more the matter of the soloist for putting off her selection until the comparative last minute. I remember a sign I saw somewhere that said something akin to "failure to plan on your part is not an emergency on my part" (or words to that effect).   I would think a mimum of 10 days submission is reasonable. If you find = that the accompaniments of these people tend to be classical in nature (more notes and-or rhythms to work out), even more than that if it makes you = more comfortable. That would allow for submission on a Wednesday, 1st rehearsal = 4 days to a week later and performance 10 days later.   I commend you highly for wanting to do a good job as an accompanist. If = you might be interesed in a discussion lst for church accompanists, I operate one and would invote you to visit this site for more info <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/accompalist>.   --Richard Huggins    
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Buffalo List From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:01:10 -0500   BTW - I forgot to put this in the previous note. if you are attending the Buffalo convention and won't have access to your email while there PLEASE sign off the list so your mail doesn't start bouncing. Over the past week I have had to deal with all sorts of bouncing mail from people that are wee probably in LA for the AGO Convention. Since Tim and i will be up in Buffalo and wil be having to use a "dial-in" to get on the Internet and get email I will not be able to deal with much in the way of Bounced Mail. if your mail starts to bounce I will remove you from the list ASAP without sending out a "warning" note like I usually do   The List Unsubscribe link is at the bottom of this posting.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: re:Hammond wanna be's From: "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:10:45 -0700   I agree that a simulated tone wheel Hammond is worse than a simulated = pipe organ. I owned a Roland AT90R for a while and have played several = Rodgers W5000 and Roland XK77 - not even close in sound to the real thing. = However, I have attended several churches where the organist had a very nice = Allen or Rodgers organ and tried their best to make it sound like a Hammond. =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:18:46 -0400   On 7/9/04 7:54 PM, "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> wrote:   > the soloist expects to rehearse only for about 10 minutes immediately = prior to > the service Sunday. Is this type of thing something I better just get = used to, > or does it seem a bit compressed to you all?   Well, lots of organists can deal with that just fine. But lots more = canNOT, and it's VERY rude to assume that, in any case. Even if the organist is a brilliant sight-reader of the highest competency, doesn't she deserve FAR better consideration than that?   Can you tell the person who makes the arrangements that you need, or at least WANT, a good bit more time?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Lot of Grace From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:47:01 -0400   on 7/10/04 2:06 AM, bobelms at bobelms@westnet.com.au wrote:   It would seem to me that, though John Newton may have written the hymn in question, he is not the person singing it. Surely the important factor is WHO is singing it and whether they are sincere in what they are singing. Newton died a very long time ago. Perhaps we should rejoice that he left = us such hymns as Glorious things of Thee are spoken, May the grace of Christ = my Saviour, and How sweet the name of Jesus sounds, to just name some of the most commonly sung of his hymns. Who are we to judge him? Bob Elms. I resolve to let poor Mr. Newton rest in peace henceforth. I will = say, though, at the risk of repeating myself for the umpteenth time, that I was criticizing the theology of faith without works (by contradistinction to James 2. 24), not the man himself. Sorry that's such a hard concept to grasp. Indeed he left some fine hymns. Cyber Hymnal lists 288 and gives the words and tune for 51 of them. An especially curious one is "How Hurtful Was the Choice of Lot." Surely this is the only hymn in existence to address Lot's lot, and in particular that of his wife turning into a = pillar of salt, in this verse: "His wife escaped a little way, / But died for looking back: / Does not her case to pilgrims say, 'Beware of growing slack?'" What a hoot. So be sure to schedule it when the scripture for = the day is Gen. 19. Unfortunately it doesn't turn up in the lectionary. That's an interesting thing to say about the sincerity of the person singing it. But isn't that in conflict with the notion that a priest may = be unworthy yet the eucharist he administers still is? So is the sincerity = of the performer the most important factor? And if the song is utter trash (which I am not saying Amazing Grace is) it's OK if the performer is sincere? Or the song has to be worthy, but if the singer is not worthy or is worthy but insincere then it's no go? How did sincerity get to be the ultimate value?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Graceful chords From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:01:52 -0400   on 7/9/04 11:35 PM, Steskinner@aol.com at Steskinner@aol.com wrote:       I like to use a B/F# chord on the second measure of "New Britain" (in the key of G) with full organ chords crashing in on beat 2 of the first couple of measures.     Thanks for the harmonic tip. I think it's super. One great thing about "New Britain" is all the alternate harmonies to which it lends itself. = Most hymnals don't handle measure 7 in a very satisfying way.   I presume that after your B/F# you go to Em. For a change of pace, one could do G+ to C/G, keeping a G in the pedal for measures 1-4. Beginning = in ms. 5 I like Em, ms. 6 either Am7 or A, ms. 7 beats 1-2 D, beat 3 E dim, = ms. 8 D/F#.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Last verses From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:29:35 -0400   My experience in R.C. churches is that the congregation will sing all the verses of ANY hymn, including the recessional, if the clergy sing it. I've been fortunate that in my current and prior position, the pastor didn't start the recession (so to speak) until the last verse of the hymn. I make a point, though, of choosing short hymns so as not to try his patience. Also, in the summer we don't do recessional hymns. There is nothing in the rubrics which requires that a closing hymn be sung; an organ or choral postlude is also entirely appropriate.   David Baker    
(back) Subject: Felix Hell in Laconia, New Hampshire From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:48:18 -0400   Last Evening, I trekked to Laconia, NH, to hear Felix play a concert at Church of the Sacred Heart. A lovely old Brick building with excellent acoustics and interesting smaller tracker organ. A bit of history on the organ, It was acquired through the Organ Clearing House and was believed to be an 1890's William Hill & Sons instrument. The organ was rebuilt and set up by George Bozeman, and dedicated in 1986. The organ sits behind the churches former Hook & Hastings facade. This is a 2 manual and pedal 16 stop organ. The program listed the stops and which pipes were actually Hill and some stops by T.C. Lewis, one stop was not identified.   The organ, has a warm period sound and although not loud, fills the room adequately. This is the first time I have heard Felix play a program on an instrument as small as this, which is usually a challenge to pick literature for. Felix very ably succeeded. The program was; Concerto A Minor, BWV 593, Bach, "O Mensch bewein dein S=FCnde gro=DF", BWV 622, Choral No. 3 in A Minor, C=E9sar Franck, Sonata = No. 2, C Minor, op 65, Mendelssohn, Symphony No. 5, op 42/1 Adagio - Toccata, Widor, and finally Toccata and Fugue in D Minor , BWV 565.   Felix played with his usual sensitivity and flair and the evening as a true success. The registrations were well picked and on this small instrument everything worked. I have hopes of hearing Felix play more of this size organ in the future, it really showcases his ability to register and pull most of his stops extremely skillfully.   I will publish the specification of this organ at a later time.   Cheers, Mack        
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell in Laconia, New Hampshire From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:07:36 -0400   On 7/10/04 12:48 PM, "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> wrote:   > I have hopes of hearing Felix play more of this size organ in the = future, it > really showcases his ability to register and pull most of his stops = extremely > skillfully.   Excellent report, Mack. And I share your sentiments entirely!   Alan Freed    
(back) Subject: Specification: Sacred Heart, Laconia, NH From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:40:42 -0400   CHURCH OF THE SACRED HEART   LACONIA, NEW HAMPSHIRE   GEORGE BOZEMAN, JR & Co. Opus 39 (1986)   SPECIFICATION       GREAT: 56 notes     1. Open Diapason 8' 56 pipes, = Hill*   2. Leiblich Gedeckt 8' 56 pipes, Lewis   3. Dulciana 8' 44 = pipes   4. Principal 4' 56 pipes, Hill   5. Flute 4' 56 pipes, Hill   6. Fifteenth 2' 56 pipes     SWELL: 56 Notes     7. Bourdon 16' 56 pipes, Hill   8. Geigen Diapason 8' 44 pipes, Hill   9. Rohr Flute 8' 56 pipes, Lewis   10. Principal 4' 56 pipes, Hill   11. Wald Flute 4' 56 pipes, Hill   12. Mixture III 168 pipes Hill   13. Cornopean 8' 56 pipes, Hill   14. Oboe 8' 56 pipes, = Hill     PEDAL: 30 Notes     15. Double Open Diapason 16' 30 pipes, Lewis   16. Bourdon 16' 30 pipes, Lewis     COUPLERS: Great/Pedal, Swell/Pedal, Swell/Great     COMBINATIONS: Three double acting composition pedals for Great (piano, mezzo, forte) and two for Swell   *Because the organ is placed behind the church's existing Hook & Hastings fa=E7ade, the H&H front pipes were retained for visual reasons. The speaking 8' Open Diapason pipes are immediately behind them.     This organ replaced Hook & Hastings Opus 2094 of which no details were available to me.    
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Buffalo List From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:00:58 -0500   At 09:21 AM 7/10/2004, you wrote:     >I'm also trying to figure out who on the above list "wins" the prize for >travelling the furthest     There's NO CONTEST! You and Tim win hands down. You can't get any farther =   from anywhere that Little Rock<g>   Jon        
(back) Subject: TAN : Stupid Music Jokes From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:49:07 -0500   Someone forwarded these to me. Thought maybe y'all could use a weekend chuckle. I found these quite funny!   Jeff     Q: What do you get when you drop a piano down a mine shaft? A: A flat minor. Q: What do you get if you run over an army officer with a steam roller?A: A flat major. Q: What do you say to an army officer as you're about to run him or her over with a steam roller?A: Be flat, major. Q: What do you say after you run an army officer over with a steam = roller?A: See flat major. Q: What key is "Exploring The Cave With No Flashlight" written in?A: C sharp or B flat. Q: What do you get when an army officer puts his nose to the grindstone?A: A sharp major. Q: What do you get if = you enroll in a liberal arts program and the only subject you do well in is music?A: A natural major. Q: What do you use to tie saplings to a piano so the saplings won't blow away?A: Root position cords.  
(back) Subject: RE: Specification: Sacred Heart, Laconia, NH From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:53:30 -0500   Is there a reason why some builders/designers would choose to put the Mixture in the Swell, but not the Great? I've seen this on a few organs around here, and I've always wondered. What if you want a full plenum, = but do NOT want to couple the Swell to the Great?   Thanks! Jeff  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Buffalo List From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:13:30 EDT   Hello All:   I would enjoy meeting all of you in Buffalo. However, I was just asked to = be a member of the crew sailing from Gloucester to Yarmouth Sunday PM!   Best, Craig Lock Haven, Pa.  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Buffalo List From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:56:44 -0500   At 01:00 PM 7/10/2004, Jon wrote: There's NO CONTEST! You and Tim win hands down. You can't get any farther =   from anywhere that Little Rock<g>   Now, Jon --   That's just not very nice. Not at all.   <harrumph>, then <ROTFL>   Tim :-)   (see 'ya in Buffalo!! )    
(back) Subject: Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable? From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 03:58:22 +0800   So let's see ... he/she is a graduate-level musician who does not feel the = need (or desire) to work out phrasing, tempo, rough-spots, or anything = else to do with this piece of music with you? Probably doesn't listen to = the other musicians while playing either then. Emily, I think you're being too appologetic on this one. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm      
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Buffalo List From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:38:48 EDT   That reminds me of the gentleman who was landing at the airport in = Waco, Texas, and as he adjusted his wristwatch, enquired of the flight = attendant, "Is Waco one hour behind or two?" The response was, "Honey, we're light-years behind..."   Sebastian Just back from Los Angeles AGO   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell in Laconia, New Hampshire From: <ctwomey@fcgnetworks.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:53:58 -0400 (EDT)   I, too, was there. It was the first time that I had heard Felix and I was not disappointed! A wonderful evening.   Carol (who usually lurks)   > Last Evening, I trekked to Laconia, NH, to hear Felix play a concert at > Church of the Sacred Heart. A lovely old Brick building with excellent > acoustics and interesting smaller tracker organ. A bit of history on > the organ, It was acquired through the Organ Clearing House and was > believed to be an 1890's William Hill & Sons instrument. The organ was > rebuilt and set up by George Bozeman, and dedicated in 1986. The organ > sits behind the churches former Hook & Hastings facade. This is a 2 > manual and pedal 16 stop organ. The program listed the stops and which > pipes were actually Hill and some stops by T.C. Lewis, one stop was not > identified. > > The organ, has a warm period sound and although not loud, fills the room > adequately. This is the first time I have heard Felix play a program > on an instrument as small as this, which is usually a challenge to pick > literature for. Felix very ably succeeded.   > The program was; Concerto A Minor, BWV 593, Bach, "O Mensch bewein dein > S=FCnde gro=DF", BWV 622, Choral No. 3 in A Minor, C=E9sar Franck, = Sonata > No. 2, C Minor, op 65, Mendelssohn, Symphony No. 5, op 42/1 Adagio - > Toccata, Widor, and finally Toccata and Fugue in D Minor , BWV 565. > > Felix played with his usual sensitivity and flair and the evening as a > true success. The registrations were well picked and on this small > instrument everything worked. I have hopes of hearing Felix play more > of this size organ in the future, it really showcases his ability to > register and pull most of his stops extremely skillfully. > > I will publish the specification of this organ at a later time. > > Cheers, > Mack > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable? From: "Mura Kievman" <mkievman@nyc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:37:54 -0400     >So let's see ... he/she is a graduate-level musician who does not feel = the >need (or desire) to work out phrasing, tempo, rough-spots, or anything >else to do with this piece of music with you? Probably doesn't listen to >the other musicians while playing either then. Emily, I think you're = being >too appologetic on this one.     May a singer chime in here? I would never dream of suggesting that 10 minutes is adequate for two people to get used to each other. I've had to =   do that on occasion when everything was very last minute, but I always arrive early for such a rehearsal and preferably meet with the organist before the day of the service.   My question to Emily is: just what kind of music are we talking about here? I can see a very slight justification if we are talking very standard rep, but even then 10 minutes doesn't give the two people = involved time to discuss tempi, dynamics, etc., as has been suggested. And if the music is new to Emily, then there's no excuse at all. The singer = shouldn't expect that the accompanist will be able to sight read on command either.   I arrived at my grandmother's funeral a full hour late because our plane was late. The organist was astonished that I could sight read an unfamiliar hymn, and had difficulty with a very simple chordal accompaniment to a slow piece. Of course, it wasn't our intention to be = so late! Then again, she wasn't used to professional singers and perhaps she =   was a volunteer herself ... this was a small town in North Dakota.   I think Emily is absolutely justified in objecting here!   Mura Kievman        
(back) Subject: Re: Lead time to prepare accompaniments: what's reasonable? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:57:11 -0400   On 7/10/04 5:37 PM, "Mura Kievman" <mkievman@nyc.rr.com> wrote:   > she wasn't used to professional singers and perhaps she > was a volunteer herself ... this was a small town in North Dakota.   Wherewherewhere, Mura???   You're talking my corner of God's country!   Alan (agreeing on everything you said)