PipeChat Digest #4626 - Saturday, July 17, 2004
 
Re: motivation, engagement, participation
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
A "Swell that ain't"
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Re:  Playing during liturgical events
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: something else new
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Something Else New
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Re: "Lights ... Cameras ... ACTION!!!"
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
music for August 15
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: organ music for August 15th
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Re:  Playing during liturgical events
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
"Electric action" for warmer sounds?
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: Playing during liturgical events
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Re: Playing during liturgical events
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Getting sick from Communion (was "Playing during liturgical..")
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
Tupperware for Communion Ware
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: something else new
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
RE: something else new
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Prepackaged communion (Off-topic)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
RE: "Lights ... Cameras ... ACTION!!!"
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: music for August 15
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: organ music for August 15th
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Unusual communion
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: motivation, engagement, participation From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:42:23 EDT   Dear Andy: You touched on something that has been on my mind for a long time, Organists getting together outside a formal meeting to let the hair down so to speak. Some organists take time out to do just that, swap stories, and casually talk about issues and how each one handles them. I enjoy the experience every time the oportunity presents itself. We really need to take time for meaningful conversations often. Nobody understands us better than another organist. Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: A "Swell that ain't" From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:25:13 EDT   Bud wrote: >That is NOT to excuse the "mystery division behind the shutters" >consisting of 8' Gedackt, 4' Rohrfloete, 2' Prinzipal, 1 1/3' Quinte, >1/8' Zimbel III, 8' Rohrschnarrenregal found in ALL TOO MANY >neo-whatever tracker organs (grin). > >A SWELL that AIN'T. > >Nor is it of any USE in a CHURCH other than a Germanic Lutheran >congregation that celebrates the classical Lutheran liturgy of Bach's >time. Last time I looked, there aren't too many of those in the US. > >I am STILL mystified by ANGLICAN churches who install all-unenclosed >neo-German-baroque organs. > That kind of a swell division, doesn't just apply to Anglican/Episcopal churches, it also applies to middle of the road mainline Protestant non-liturgical churches wo do the same thing. What about the number of = Presbyterian and Methodist churches who have been talked into getting a similar kind of = organ by the consultant (anyone from out of town, who supposedly knows = something, and gets paid for their knowledge or lack thereof) without any regard for = the style of music or liturgy they celebrate. Churches who need enclosed divisions that actually express, rather than just diminishing a few of = the upper partials of the 1/8" II Screechenzimbel or that might actually use a = string and celeste, rather than just an 8' Doppel Spitz Nason Gedeckt, don't always benefit from an organ that doesn't fit their style of worship, and the = neo-Baroque organs don't always fit Lutheran worship services either. These days, Lutherans have gone outside the box of Germanic hymns and Bach organ = music, so they can benefit from a few non-Germanic organ ranks. However, where did = some of the organ builders who build the neo-baroque organs get the idea that = they replicated the organs of Bach's day? Bach's organs were warm and = silvery, and some of them were downright beefy. He didn't have screechy mixtures = like the ones imposed on us by builders of the 60's and 70's (give or take a = few decades.) The flutes of Bach's day weren't so quinty as to give a singer = a question as to what pitch to sing or so chiffy that it sounded like a = xylophone was playing along with the organ. Lest if be thought that I don't like trackers, I'm not against trackers = WHEN they are done well. I happen to enjoy Malcom's "baby" at St. Ignatius in =   NYC, I've played some wonderful American trackers--Hooks, Hutchings, = Johnsons, I've given concerts in England on some Victorian trackers which were = quite fun and it was obvious where the American builders got their inspiration, = I regularly play on a 2 man. Kney here in South Carolina that is a joy to = practice on--rich foundations, silvery mixtures, a swell box that actually closes = the Swell down to nothing, and pistons with multiple memories. I've played = some wonderful Fisks, too. On the other hand, I've played some screechboxes = that made me want to stick to a Hammond! However, I think it ends up being the fault of the consultant and the musicians who let the consultants get away with designing organs with = little Brustwerks that masquerade as Swell divisions. They are not Swells and = never will be. A 8' Schnarregal as the only reed just can't cut it carrying the = weight as the "reed chorus" when a registration calls for Full Swell to Reeds = and a III ScreechenSquawer 1/16" doesn't add the right sound for the mixture, = since it's too busy peeling paint off the back wall and parting the hair of the =   organist and choir members! Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Playing during liturgical events From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:44:55 +0000   OH GOOD GRIEF!! Hermetically sealed for your protection? What? Have = there been a rash of deaths from communion wafers and wine that we don't = know about? You mean that the centuries of people communing were doing so = to the detriment of their own health?! How did we ever survive?   Any church that goes to that will immediately be a church I'll refuse to = attend again. I still take from the common cup, and I'm no worse for = wear. (Pastor just walked in and I told him about these, and he says = "what next..."Cellophane Jesus"?)   :)   Jeff     > From: RMB10@aol.com > Date: 2004/07/17 Sat AM 11:37:26 GMT > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events > > >Doesn't matter what makes the music; doesn't matter what kind of bread = or > >wine/juice you use; doesn't matter who speaks the words...etc > > Speaking of wine/juice, has anyone seen or used those new disposable > communion cups that have the wafer and the juice all hermetically sealed = "for your > protection"? I was at a conference about a month ago, and there was a = company > who had these things on display and then they used them for the final > communion service..they also had them on display to try. You peel a = top layer of > plastic back to expose the wafer, then pull back another layer and = drink the > juice, like a little coffer creamer thingy. It's all in one...kinda = wild. > > > PS: I was just ribbing you about starting the ol' p vs e war. :) > > LOL I know > > Monty Bennett > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: something else new From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:46:30 EDT   In a message dated 7/17/2004 12:51:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   > this doesn=E2=80=99t come out of YOUR wallet. The parish buys it. Prefer= ably two=20 > copies (one for Pastor, one for Organist). The other=20   the last time i tried to order it on my music account the pASStor sent it=20 back----"I AM THE ONLY ONE that needs that book.....don't be wasting money."   Oh how i wish that were the only time he acted like a jack ass..............= ..   always looking for a bigger part time job so i can move on up to the east=20 side   dale in florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Something Else New From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:07:04 -0400   From Dale: "ah the rub, i have friends at CPH so stuff is cheap there.......none at Augsburg so i have to pay retail....."   Do you have the nifty "Music Yearbook" CPH publishes? It comes as part of = a marketing package along with a couple CDs of performances of their newest music publications. It's a calendar with pages to write in your musical selections, and includes the lectionary information, suggested hymn selections for several hymnals, and (helpful!) suggestions for appropriate CPH musical settings.   The only hymn from LBW it lists for 8/15 is the one Alan mentioned, #180. However, it also suggests music based on O Jesulein Suess, which you might have lying around in a Christmas collection somewhere.      
(back) Subject: Re: "Lights ... Cameras ... ACTION!!!" From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:11:03 -0700   We're veering into dangerous waters here (grin), but I'd point out that the worship of the Temple at Jerusalem was ANYTHING but simple. Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus.   Nor was the rite for the Passover simple in first-century Judaism.   We tend to see the events of the apostolic and immediate post-apostolic age through a 21st century filter. In point of fact, the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom was CODIFIED in the fourth century A.D., which means it was in use BEFORE that.   The Didache (c. 100 A.D.) gives AMPLE evidence that a fully developed liturgy existed by that time.   St. Paul's account in 1 Corinthians 11:23ff is thought to be the earliest record of what was first called "The Tradition" and later the Canon of the Eucharist.   The earliest eucharistic documents required the recitation of The Tradition; around that central core the bishop was to pray "as he was able" for the living, the dead, the needs of the community, etc.   With respect, church history was taught a certain way among certain groups ... there was a notion that a "hidden, 'pure' Church" somehow existed underground from the death of the last Apostle until the beginning of the Protestant Reformation.   That view negates 1500 years of Christian witness, history, and the workings of the Holy Spirit. True, there were some ugly periods in that history, but the Church is both human and divine. There were also periods of transcendent glory, and heroic witnesses to the Faith.   The preservation of Western civilization is due in large part to St. Benedict and the rise of Western monasticism, which kept the light of learning burning during the depths of the Dark Ages (how's THAT for alliteration?) (chuckle)   Arguments have been made that the Western liturgy sprang from the domestic liturgies of the "house-churches" during and immediately after the persecutions, which in time developed into the basilican style of church architecture.   However, even in those early times, the inventories of such house-churches indicate a fully-developed liturgical "cultus," to use the technical word. Testimony at the trials of Christians enumerate Gospel books, censers, altar plate, etc.   Indeed, that's why the liturgical texts weren't brought together in a "Missale Plenarum" until the Middle Ages ... if a house-church was raided, the books were distributed among several members: the sub-deacons had the book of Epistles; the deacons had the book of Gospels; the bishop had the Sacramentary; the singers had the Graduale; and so forth, so that at least some of the books might not be confiscated. That arrangement persists in the Eastern Orthodox Church to this day.   The fiction that "simple is Apostolic" is just that: a fiction. Indeed, it wasn't until the texts were brought together in a Missale Plenarum for the use of "chantry priests" who said Missa Privata at endowed altars for specific intentions that Low Mass became POSSIBLE in the Western Church. It still ISN'T in the Eastern Church. "Missa Privata" doesn't mean "private Mass" ... it means "Mass DEPRIVED of its NORMAL complement of ministers" -- celebrant, deacon, sub-deacon, lector, acolytes, and singers. Music and ceremonial was considered the NORM.   That carried over into Anglicanism ... the first Prayer Book of 1549 presumes the presence of "clerkes" (singing-men and boys), who are directed to sing the liturgy throughout ... only the Sanctus is to be sung by priest and people ... "the clerkes have the rest" (Merbecke's Book of Common Praier Noted).   Perhaps Alan can speak to developments in Lutheranism.   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: music for August 15 From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:28:17 -0700   Heavens! I've been remiss! I didn't realize August 15th fell on SUNDAY this year. Most anglo-catholic churches will ignore the Ordo Kalendar and KEEP it on Sunday, I'm sure.   I've already posted the Introit "Signum magnum"; I decided I'd better post the alternative, "Gaudeamus", with provision for Assumption, Dormition, Solemnity, and Repose (chuckle).   There are no less than THREE sets of propers in Palmer's Plainchant Gradual (Rome pre-1951, Rome post-1951, and Sarum) ... I don't know if I'll get around to all of them, but if you're not on my download list and want what I've got, please e-mail me PRIVATELY.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: organ music for August 15th From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:47:11 -0500   If nobody has, somebody ought to. But doesn't "With One Voice" use a different tune for "Sing of Mary"?   Alicia Zeilenga   > > SOMEBODY must have written a prelude on "Sing of Mary" (Pleading > Saviour). >      
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Playing during liturgical events From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:54:02 -0500   Do we have to "McDonaldize" church any more? We walk up to Communion and receive standing instead of kneeling at a linen covered rail, and now we have our own package to eat from.   I'd never receive Communion in a church that went that far. Didn't Jesus say "This is the Cup of My Blood"? I don't even know if it would be valid.   Alicia Zeilenga       -----Original Message----- From: <reedstop@charter.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:44:55 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: Playing during liturgical events   > OH GOOD GRIEF!! Hermetically sealed for your protection? What? Have > there been a rash of deaths from communion wafers and wine that we > don't know about? You mean that the centuries of people communing were > doing so to the detriment of their own health?! How did we ever > survive? > > Any church that goes to that will immediately be a church I'll refuse > to attend again. I still take from the common cup, and I'm no worse > for wear. (Pastor just walked in and I told him about these, and he > says "what next..."Cellophane Jesus"?) > > :) > > Jeff > > > > From: RMB10@aol.com > > Date: 2004/07/17 Sat AM 11:37:26 GMT > > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > > Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events > > > > >Doesn't matter what makes the music; doesn't matter what kind of > bread or > > >wine/juice you use; doesn't matter who speaks the words...etc > > > > Speaking of wine/juice, has anyone seen or used those new disposable > > communion cups that have the wafer and the juice all hermetically > sealed "for your > > protection"? I was at a conference about a month ago, and there was > a company > > who had these things on display and then they used them for the > final > > communion service..they also had them on display to try. You peel a > top layer of > > plastic back to expose the wafer, then pull back another layer and > drink the > > juice, like a little coffer creamer thingy. It's all in one...kinda > wild. > > > > > PS: I was just ribbing you about starting the ol' p vs e war. :) > > > > LOL I know > > > > Monty Bennett > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >      
(back) Subject: "Electric action" for warmer sounds? From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:08:43 -0700   Andy...you need to get around more :) It's a silly hypothesis.    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:12:11 -0400   reedstop@charter.net wrote: > OH GOOD GRIEF!! Hermetically sealed for your protection? What? > Have there been a rash of deaths from communion wafers and wine that > we don't know about? You mean that the centuries of people communing > were doing so to the detriment of their own health?! How did we ever > survive?   Yes, this is a very real problem ...   "The CDC estimates that in some years, up to 50,000 to 70,000 people die from influenza"   "New data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published yesterday [jan 2003] show that about 65,000 people died of influenza and related respiratory illnesses in 1999. That is up sharply from 23,000 deaths in 1990 and 16,000 in 1976." http://www.sk.lung.ca/content.cfm/xtra43   http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/15/health/main588537.shtml   http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/news/influenza.htm   http://www.albertasynod.ca/resources/worship/guidelines/sars.html   http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/12/24/sprj.flu03.communion.ap/   http://www.concordtx.org/wrldnews/lsgerms.htm   http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3577_19256_ENG_HTM.htm   http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/c/a/2003/12/16/MNGPG3O5S8= 1.DTL   http://www.google.ca/search?q=3Dcommunion+influenza   http://www.google.ca/search?q=3Dcommunion+sars    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:15:20 EDT     > now we have our own package to eat from.   These communion packets were designed, in large measure, for adminstering communion to homebound persons -- making it easier and safer for = transport.   It really doesn't matter whether communion is wafer/wine, or = donut/koolaid, does it? Or anything in between?   The self-contained packets of wafer/wine are meant to facilitate communion =   and ministry to persons who otherwise might not be able to receive the sacrament.   And in this day and age of germ consciousness, are not self-contained = packets a method of reducing the POTENTIAL for spreading germs?   Neil by the bay  
(back) Subject: Getting sick from Communion (was "Playing during liturgical..") From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:20:00 +0000   > reedstop@charter.net wrote: > > OH GOOD GRIEF!! Hermetically sealed for your protection? What?   > Yes, this is a very real problem ... > > "The CDC estimates that in some years, up to 50,000 to 70,000 people die =   > from influenza"   Maybe so...but you can't tell me it's from Communion. I can't accept = that. Poor hygiene, yes. And a lot of it is that people either can't or = won't allow themselves to be sick. People go into work and infect = everyone around them--and companies in a lot of cases don't care.   Personally speaking, I won't take communion if I feel I'm contagious, or = I'll take individual cup. (We use intinction a lot, especially the = worship leaders.) And the good communion assistants better be wiping the = cup after someone drinks from it.   Amazing. Hey, let's go one step further. Everyone bring their own = cracker and a little thermos of wine, and we'll let the minister just = consecrate those. :) (Sarcasm, to be certain.)   :)   Jeff   PS: Despite your numbers, you can't tell me we're sicker today than we = were back in the days before we knew what a germ or virus was. I realize = that antibiotics are actually strengthening that which sickens us, = but...we are talking about His Body and Blood here. I'd like to think = that the miracle of the gift would prevent said diseases. Just a thought. = ;)      
(back) Subject: Tupperware for Communion Ware From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:24:20 +0000   > > now we have our own package to eat from. > > It really doesn't matter whether communion is wafer/wine, or = donut/koolaid, > does it? Or anything in between?   ABSOLUTELY NOT. No question that a donut and koolaid are certainly are = valid elements as much as bread and wine.   > And in this day and age of germ consciousness, are not self-contained = packets > a method of reducing the POTENTIAL for spreading germs?   Again, think about how many people commune each week. I just can't think = that it's saving or causing people to get sick. And you'd hope (and = granted, this is a stretch) that people would maybe PASS on communing if = they ARE that sick. In fact, if they ARE that sick, they should be at = HOME in BED! :)   But, to be honest, Neil, I think it loses something when we start = cellophaning everything in. Now what you said about the homebound and the = infirmed, I can see the validity of tupperwaring the elements.   Call me old-fashioned, I guess. The more sterile we become as a church, = it just TO ME loses some of the mystery and awe. However, I cannot deny = the good points being made here, as silly as I find the concept. :)   With respect (really!!)   Jeff      
(back) Subject: Re: something else new From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:37:57 EDT   In a message dated 7/17/04 8:34:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Keys4bach@aol.com writes:   << What can i play in my little ELCA church to keep the RC-transfers happy =   without upsetting anti Mary bias? >>   How about doing lots of Mary hymns and have the pastor preach on why she = is important to the Christian religion.   Richard Spittel (who attends one of the few ELCA churches which has a = statue of Mary in the Sanctuary - between the lectern and side altar)  
(back) Subject: RE: something else new From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:13:59 +1200       << What can i play in my little ELCA church to keep the RC-transfers happy =   without upsetting anti Mary bias? >>   Why not play Bach's Magnificat fugue?   And why not, even if out of season, use some hymns and carols from "The Incarnation" section in your hymnbook (if there is such a section) and = thus concentrate on the Incarnation, what Emmanuel, God-with-us, means. To even the most ardent Protestant fundy, and the most ardent Marist, that would have to be acceptable.   Ross   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: Prepackaged communion (Off-topic) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:04:56 EDT   In a message dated 7/17/04 3:46:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, reedstop@charter.net writes:   << OH GOOD GRIEF!! Hermetically sealed for your protection? >>   Actually, these were designed for places where the usual communion ware = would be impractical; such as communion services in wartime on the battlefield, = (or maybe even visiting shut-ins in certain kinds of institutions). But = (IMHO) for a company to sell these to churches as an 'alternative' really reeks = of bad-taste.   <A HREF=3D"http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=3Dmagazine.article&issue=3Dsoj= 9609&article=3D960942d">Click here: Briefly Noted, Sojourners Magazine/September-October 1996</A>   <A = HREF=3D"http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/e/eu/eucharist.html"= > Click here: Eucharist</A>   <A = HREF=3D"http://www.churchpartner.com/worship/communion/waferjuice.htm"> Click here: ChurchPartner - Communion supplies. Remembrance wafer and = juice portable communion sets.</A>   <A HREF=3D"http://www.ctlibrary.com/490">Click here: NEWS: Prepacked = Communion Takes Off - Christianity Today magazine - ChristianityTodayLibrary.com</A>   <A HREF=3D"http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/shopping_product_page/0,1711,I%253D08054= 71197%2526M%253D50005,00.html">Click here: LifeWay: Biblical Solutions for = Life </A>   <A HREF=3D"http://disciplescornerstone.com/product_info.php/cPath/100/products= _id/382">Click here: Disciples Cornerstone Christian Resources: Communion Remembrance Wafer/Juice 210 Sets</A>   (Gee, isn't Google wonderful?)   Richard Spittel  
(back) Subject: RE: "Lights ... Cameras ... ACTION!!!" From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:38:38 -0400     Bud, I think we've had disagreements in the past but your last message was = a delight to read. A. Mead      
(back) Subject: Re: music for August 15 From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:41:36 -0400   On 7/17/04 4:28 PM, "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> wrote:   > Heavens! I've been remiss! I didn't realize August 15th fell on SUNDAY > this year.   Oh, Bud! It's EASY to keep track of. Whenever Independence Day lands on Sunday, so does Mary Day! Get with the Kalendar.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: organ music for August 15th From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:48:16 -0400   On 7/17/04 4:47 PM, "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> wrote:   > If nobody has, somebody ought to. But doesn't "With One Voice" use a > different tune for "Sing of Mary"? > Don't know which tune is "standard," but With One Voice has a ?Portuguese folktune called Raquel. Very simple, very "cradle-song." (With the alternative of Nettleton, which, I suppose, is the "standard" of which = we're speaking.) Two-bar break between stanzas.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Unusual communion From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:57:00 -0400   On 7/17/04 4:54 PM, "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> wrote:   > I'd never receive Communion in a church that went that far. Didn't > Jesus say "This is the Cup of My Blood"? I don't even know if it would > be valid.   Oh, but Alicia! It's for your protection!   Of course I agree with you. I wouldn't even go INTO such a church except for unusual reasons. And in your denomination and mine, no, it would not = be valid.   Alan