PipeChat Digest #4630 - Sunday, July 18, 2004
 
Organs and Organists Online - July 18
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Re: music for August 15
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Off-topic
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
RE: some REAL evangelical service-playing
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
music list
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Playing during liturgical events
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Looking for a Brahms piece
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Playing during liturgical events
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: communion packets
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
offensive or derogatory??!!
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Music List (July 18)
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
kneeling
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
typo
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Communion Packets
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Playing during liturgical events
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: offensive or derogatory??!!
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: typo
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: "Catholic" organ specs
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: kneeling
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: music list
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Reuschel, and the like
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Reuschel, and the like
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: kneeling
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Hi, Colin Mitrchell
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
PLEASE READ Re: Off-topic
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
T shirts needed!!
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Playing during liturgical events
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
 

(back) Subject: Organs and Organists Online - July 18 From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:41:03 -0700   The "Australia" section of the ORGANS of interest section has opened with = a description, including photographs of the case and console and full specification, of the 1891 T C Lewis organ in St Paul's Cathedral in Melbourne by kind permission of June Dixon, Cathedral Organist. Restored = in 1990 by Harrison and Harrison at their works in Durham, this is a typical late Anglican Victorian Cathedral organ. Apart from the Bombarde division added at the restoration (Tuba Magna and Trompette Harmonique ) it is in = as near original condition as possible.   On the Downloads page we have added Jongen's "Sonate Eroica" played by Aaround de Groen at the organ of Bovenkerk, Kampen, NL. This is a large file - nearly 9mb - but it is worth the effort to hear a fine performance = on a splendid organ. Also highly recommended are Timothy Grenz's recordings = of Bach - in particular the Preludes and Fugue in E minor (The "wedge") recorded on the organ of St. George's Church, Amberg, Germany, the = "great"G major recorded on the organ of United Methodist Church, Barron, WI. and J.S. Bach's "Trio Sonata in C major" - BWV 529 on the organ of St. = George's Church, Amberg, Germany. I'm not quite sure when Timothy put these on, but he has said that he might replace some of his files with other recordings = he has made, so grab them while they are there. We have also added some new links at the request and suggestion of members.   Thank you for visiting us,   John Foss   http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com      
(back) Subject: Re: music for August 15 From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:09:52 -0400   On 7/17/04 9:46 PM, "Keys4bach@aol.com" <Keys4bach@aol.com> wrote:   > Who knew? Wisdom just flows on this list....... >=20 > my new thing to learn for the day. >=20 Well, there comes a bit of a downside later. In such years, there=B9s plenty of time to get the trees up between Advent 4 and Christmas Eve. But Christmas Eve is Friday, followed by Christmas Day on Saturday, and St. Stephen=B9s on Sunday=8Ba real Triple Whammy!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Off-topic From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 07:19:00 -0700   Hey gang...can we drop the eucharistic species stuff? The initial post about the "sanitized" delivery system was appalling info, but extended comment or debate is not for this forum. Terry    
(back) Subject: RE: some REAL evangelical service-playing From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:53:50 -0500   Harry, why do you do this? Are the blowers quite loud?   I used to play at a church that has a big Kilgen, and the blower is VERY noisy. Fortunately, closing the swell box during 'quieter' times muffles = it somewhat. It's not as bad in summer because the windows are open and the fans are going down below. I hated how loud that thing is!   Just curious.   Jeff     > I always switch the blowers off during the Rector's walk to the pulpit = and > leave the organ-bench to sit in one of the new (upholstered) chairs set > nearby    
(back) Subject: music list From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:50:02 -0400   Zion Lutheran Church (ELCA) Hamilton, Ohio July 18, 2004   (Lutheran Book of Worship, setting two) Prelude: Prelude and Fugue in E by Vincent Lubeck Hymn: Where Cross the Crowded Ways of Life (Germany) Soprano solo: Ain=B9t a Dat Good News, arr. by Charles Lloyd, Jr. Hymn: Give Me Jesus Offertory: Trio in E, op. 189 by Josef Rheinberger Communion: Douceur des champs de lavande fleurie by Eug=E8ne Reuchsel; Schmucke dich by Sigfrid Karg-Elert Hymn: Breathe on Me, Breath of God (Trentham) Postlude: Assauts de vagues aux rochers de l=B9Ile de Port-Cros by Eug=E8ne Reuchsel     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:22:20 -0400   On 7/18/04 12:51 AM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   >> I'll trust the antiseptic capacities of the wine and the silver... >>=20 >> =A7=A7=A7 According to the U. of Chicago it=B9s actually =B3the antiseptic capaci= ties >> of the wine=B2 AND the bacteriaCIDAL quality of the ionizing combination o= f the >> alcohol with the silver or gold. >>=20 >> By the way...An Episcopal church I have visited is replete with intincti= on >> cups which look like small chalices. They are held by the chalicifers i= n the >> hand with which the particular chalicifer also holds the purificator. >> Personally, it seems like a delicate balance. >>=20 >> =A7=A7=A7 I think you=B9re right, but honestly don=B9t understand your descriptio= n. >> Could you run in by again, a bit more slowly? >>=20 >> Alan >>=20    
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for a Brahms piece From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:23:04 -0500   Thanks, that was all the info I needed to do a 5 minute internet search, = get=20 it ordered, and it arrived in the mail the other day. =20   Andy   On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:11:02 -0400, Karl Moyer wrote > The eleven chorale preludes by Brahms, his final opus, are available=20 > in various editions from various publishers. All are very standard org= an > repertoire. A good music supplier can find a published edition for you. >=20 > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA >=20 > On 6/29/04 11:30 PM, "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> wrote: >=20 > > Once again I'm looking for sheet music (thanks to those who helped me > > find "Praise the Lord w/Drums and Cymbals" before). This time its: > >=20 > > Chorale Prelude: Schm=FCcke dich, o liebe Seele, Op. 122, No. 5 (Deck= =20 thyself, > > my soul, with gladness) - Johannes Brahms > >=20 > > ....as heard as the first track on the first CD of Todd Wilson's "In = a=20 Quiet > > Cathedral". Anyone know where I can find this? > >=20 > > A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service > > PO Box 111 > > Burlington, VT 05402 > > (802)578-3936 > > Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topic= s > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >=20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related=20 > topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List:=20 mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>       A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:24:45 -0400   on 7/18/04 2:22 PM, Alan Freed at acfreed0904@earthlink.net wrote:   On 7/18/04 12:51 AM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   I'll trust the antiseptic capacities of the wine and the silver...   =A7=A7=A7 According to the U. of Chicago it=B9s actually =B3the antiseptic capacitie= s of the wine=B2 AND the bacteriaCIDAL quality of the ionizing combination of the alcohol with the silver or gold.   By the way...An Episcopal church I have visited is replete with intinction cups which look like small chalices. They are held by the chalicifers in the hand with which the particular chalicifer also holds the purificator. Personally, it seems like a delicate balance.   =A7=A7=A7 I think you=B9re right, but honestly don=B9t understand your description. Could you run in by again, a bit more slowly?   Alan       It would seem to me that the wine wouldn't be there to kill all the germs o= n the part of the chalice that the lower lips touch. And that wiping, assuming there's no wine in the cloth, would do that much good.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: communion packets From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:32:08 -0400   On 7/18/04 12:50 AM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   >> Kneeling for communion is much-despised these days ... I think when I >> meet my God on the Day of Judgment I will find myself on my knees ... = is >> anything LESS appropriate when I meet Him to RECEIVE Him in the >> Sacrament of the Altar? > > Bud, I agreed with everything you said in this, except....well, this I'm = not > too sure about. Although, I know what you're saying. You're not saying > that it's less appropriate to not kneel, but that it shouldn't be = abandoned, > right? Because otherwise, what about the elderly person who can't kneel = at > the altar? What about the shutin, or the person requesting private > communion in the pastor's office?   Alan butting in here. At Saint Luke's we're pretty old-fashioned. So = we've always knelt for communion (except weekdays in the chapel, where we = stand). But the new pastor has us receiving standing from Easter Vigil through Pentecost Sunday--which is a nice "Easter" touch. (Of course I'm close to joining the small group who just can't kneel any more, so there are always SOME who receive standing--the six or so chancel folks themselves, for starters.) > > I'm just throwing thoughts out there. No argument from me! :) > > One last thought: The disciples were seated when receiving the First > Communion. :)   Uh, Jeff. I think that's unlikely. You're thinking da Vinci?   Alan          
(back) Subject: offensive or derogatory??!! From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:35:20 -0700   My last mailing of music for Aug. 15th was rejected by one server as "offensive or derogatory" (??!!). If you didn't get Introit (2) and Communion (2), please let me know and I'll try and send them individually.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Music List (July 18) From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:33:10 EDT   Northern Blvd. United Methodist Church Independence, Missouri July 18, 2004   Pre-Service Music for Meditation: Ave Maria von Archadelt - Franz Liszt Prelude: Adagio for Strings - Samuel Barber, ed. for organ by William Strickland Hymn: I Danced in the Morning (Lord of the Dance) Hymn: What a Friend we have in Jesus (Converse) Trumpet Solo: My Tribute-Andre Crouch (Chuck R. Harvey, Music Director/Trumpet) Offertory: Lord Jesus Christ, Our Prince of Peace (Neumeister Chorales) - J. S. Bach Hymn: Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus (Lemmel) Hymn (stz 1) God be with you till we meet again (God Be With You) [congregational circles sanctuary, holding = hands, sings in 4-parts] Postlude: Jesus Shall Reign (Duke Street) - H. Alexander Matthews   Congregational Business Meeting: Facility Alarm System Acquisition     Dale G. Rider, MSM, CAGO Organist Northern Blvd. United Methodist Church Independence, Missouri, USA drider@graceland.edu  
(back) Subject: kneeling From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:43:11 -0700   Alan is quite correct. The Church Fathers universally mandate that there be no kneeling whatsoever for ANYTHING (including the Consecration) from the first Mass of Easter through the last Mass of Pentecost.   And, it should be pointed out, standing IS the correct posture for liturgical prayer in both the East and the West. If you watch a correctly-done Solemn Mass, nobody in the Sanctuary kneels for anything (except Absolution, Elevations, and Blessing in the Anglican Church).   What's fondly known as "The Anglican Squat" (posterior on the edge of the pew, knees on the kneeler) is a holdover from the medieval Sarum LOW Mass ... since there WERE no pews in churches, people either knelt sitting back on their heels, or they stood through the whole service.   That's the historical background ... in practice, standing for communion in SOME churches has resulted in a sense of rushing ... among other things, one can't remain at the communion rail and pray for a few moments after receiving.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: typo From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:42:31 -0400   Darn! I meant to say "would NOT do that much good."     And that wiping, assuming there's no wine in the cloth, would do that much good.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu          
(back) Subject: Re: Communion Packets From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:48:22 -0400   On 7/18/04 2:00 AM, "Rob M" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com> wrote:   > there are valid health arguments. . . . a communal cup that at my church = as > many as 500 people may have partaken of in one service alone.   Very briefly, because we're really getting off topic. But (1) I suppose = the celebrant and deacon drain the chalice afterward; and (2) in Sweden the priest always drains the chalice (drinks what remains there), and the average life expectance of Swedish priests is on the order of 93 years.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:28:38 -0400   On 7/18/04 2:24 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > It would seem to me that the wine wouldn't be there to kill all the germs= on > the part of the chalice that the lower lips touch. And that wiping, assu= ming > there's no wine in the cloth, would do that much good.   Agree. I think the concern was with the presence of germs IN the wine (and thus ingested by subsequent communicants), not on the outer surface of the chalice. And yes. The Chicago report=B9s lowest two considerations (really worthless in themselves, but mentioned anyway) were (1) the physical wipe simply =B3removing=B2 (somewhat) saliva from the outer surface of the cup; and (2) the rather small value of a time factor between one communicant drinkin= g from point =B3x=B2 on the chalice and the next person doing so=8Bassuming, as customary, that the deacon rotates the cup a bit (30-40 degrees?) between each communicant. (Generally the purificator contains more lipstick and silver oxide than anything else!)   Alan (ready, as someone suggested, to drop the subject; offlist conversatio= n always welcome)  
(back) Subject: Re: offensive or derogatory??!! From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:44:07 -0400   On 7/18/04 2:35 PM, "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> wrote:   > My last mailing of music for Aug. 15th was rejected by one server as > "offensive or derogatory" (??!!).   Boy, they sure got YOU figured out, Bud!   I'll bet it was that part about "cast[ing] down the mighty from their thrones." Sounds like anarchy!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: typo From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:45:50 -0400   On 7/18/04 2:42 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   >>> Darn! I meant to say "would NOT do that much good."   We think too much alike. I read it JUST the way you MEANT it, not the way you wrote it.   Didn=B9t even NOTICE!   Alan  
(back) Subject: RE: "Catholic" organ specs From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:00:52 -0700 (PDT)   Hello Ross,   Did you mean me?   As requested.......     Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Colin, > > Could you email me privately, please. Thanks. > > Ross       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/    
(back) Subject: RE: kneeling From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:55:11 +1200     >......be no kneeling whatsoever for ANYTHING (including the Consecration) from the first Mass of Easter through the last Mass of Pentecost.   Ah, isn't human tradition fascinating. Standing for Communion, fasting before Communion, holding the Service first thing in the morning.   Against that, the Last Supper was in the evening, the people reclined on couches, and I bet they hadn't omitted breakfast and lunch.   Having said that, I prefer the 8am Service (at least in this parish) and = our usual way of doing things.   Ross   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: music list From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:41:06 -0700   Ah... _so_nice to see someone programming some Reuschel - it's great stuff - pity not many folks play it!   -Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: music list     Communion: Douceur des champs de lavande fleurie by Eug=E8ne Reuchsel; Postlude: Assauts de vagues aux rochers de l=B9Ile de Port-Cros by = Eug=E8ne Reuchsel       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004    
(back) Subject: Reuschel, and the like From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:18:57 -0400   On 7/18/04 5:41 PM, "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> wrote:   > Ah... _so_nice to see someone programming some Reuschel - > it's great stuff - pity not many folks play it!   Well, Jonathan, you have to realize that Randy is a professor of French, = and he just LOVES driving the parish secretary INSANE with typing out those = long French titles with all the diacriticals, etc.   Our organist, too, is a Franconut (I say that with respect and = admiration!), so I'm familiar with the syndrome (that's a Greek word, I think?).   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Reuschel, and the like From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:32:36 -0400   on 7/18/04 6:18 PM, Alan Freed at acfreed0904@earthlink.net wrote:   > On 7/18/04 5:41 PM, "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> wrote: > >> Ah... _so_nice to see someone programming some Reuschel - >> it's great stuff - pity not many folks play it! > > Well, Jonathan, you have to realize that Randy is a professor of French, = and > he just LOVES driving the parish secretary INSANE with typing out those = long > French titles with all the diacriticals, etc. >   Actually, it's not quite so bad. Thanks to modern technology, I can type everything the way I want it in a Word document and attach it in an email = to the secretary. All she has to do is to copy and paste. And in this instance, of course, I gave the postlude's title in English ("Assaults of the Waves...."), plus a program note explaining where the Isle of = Port-Cros is. Must make a point of visiting it the next time I'm in France.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: kneeling From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:39:23 -0400   On 7/18/04 5:55 PM, "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >> ......be no kneeling whatsoever for ANYTHING (including the = Consecration) >> from the first Mass of Easter through the last Mass of Pentecost. > > Ah, isn't human tradition fascinating. Standing for Communion, fasting > before Communion, holding the Service first thing in the morning. > > Against that, the Last Supper was in the evening, the people reclined on > couches, and I bet they hadn't omitted breakfast and lunch. > > Having said that, I prefer the 8am Service (at least in this parish) and = our > usual way of doing things. > Yes indeed, Ross. Human tradition is ENDLESSLY fascinating. And I am the chief of sinners in enjoying talking about it. (Try me!) But people have correctly said that this list tolerates a lot of my like, and shouldn't = have to take any more. SURE, I agree with you (I think). But (with pain) = let's pester them less.   > Ross   and Alan        
(back) Subject: Hi, Colin Mitrchell From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:00:11 +1200   Colin,   I've tried emailing back to you. Could you please try me again as mine to you keeps getting rejected.   Thanks.   Ross   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004    
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ Re: Off-topic From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:25:03 -0500   At 7:19 AM -0700 7/18/04, terry hicks wrote: >Hey gang...can we drop the eucharistic species stuff? The initial post >about the "sanitized" delivery system was appalling info, but extended >comment or debate is not for this forum.   Folks   I agree with this - let's get back on-topic - We have gotten very far away from the purpose of this list.     From Buffalo   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: T shirts needed!! From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:25:29 -0700       Hi List!.. need a quick source for a half dozen T shirts, to give away. Specifically if it has a Wurltizer organ motif, or secondarily ANY pipe organ...   Sources.. anyone??   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:05:05 +0800   Re: Playing during liturgical eventsIn my own church (ex-Methodist and = now Uniting Church) I have always played during the taking of communion = - soft music - Bach Chorales and the like. In one church many years ago = the Minister requested soft music during the reading of the lessons, and = this I provided. In the Catholic Church where I play frequently for = Saturday evening mass I also play softly during the dispensing of = communion. In the Anglican Church the choir sings during this time.   There was a lot of off topic discussion on the rights and wrongs of = using separate glasses for communion. In the Catholic Church mentioned = above about half of the communicants dip the wafer and don't drink from = the chalice at all. Some take the wafer and have nmo contact with the = wine at all. It seems there is a lot of personal choice about the matter = in several denominations including the Roman Catholic, and those who = stick rigidly to one line of action may be beating a dead horse. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Freed=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:28 AM Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events