PipeChat Digest #4631 - Monday, July 19, 2004
Re: Playing during liturgical events
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: communion packets
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: communion packets
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: some REAL evangelical service-playing
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>

(back) Subject: Re: Playing during liturgical events From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:43:08 -0400   On 7/18/04 8:05 PM, "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> wrote:   > In my own church (ex-Methodist and now Uniting Church) I have always play= ed > during the taking of communion - soft music - Bach Chorales and the like. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 Surely that=B9s quite common in every country. >=20 > In one church many years ago the Minister requested soft music during the > reading of the lessons, and this I provided. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 Of course; it became part of your job. It=B9s certainly a LOT less br= oadly > customary. But, that=B9s the way it goes. >=20 > In the Catholic Church where I play frequently for Saturday evening mass= I > also play softly during the dispensing of communion. In the Anglican Chur= ch > the choir sings during this time. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 OK, that=B9s surely very common as well. Both the instrumental and th= e > choral; depends on what=B9s at hand. > =20 > There was a lot of off topic discussion on the rights and wrongs of using > separate glasses for communion. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 Well, I don=B9t think it=B9s a matter of =B3right=B2 and =B3wrong.=B2 It=B9s a ma= tter > of degree of liturgical refinement (I=B9m trying to sound equitable about i= t). >=20 > In the Catholic Church mentioned above about half of the communicants dip= the > wafer and don't drink from the chalice at all. Some take the wafer and ha= ve > nmo contact with the wine at all. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 Out of my field, but I=B9m not surprised. All it means is that the > pastor/parish has [negative term] failed to TEACH. Sure, there can be (a= nd > is) latitude. But a properly instructed parish will do a bit better than > THAT, I think. (But I=B9ll bet the better RC liturgical theologians [offic= ial > or UN] in that diocese will agree with me!) >=20 > It seems there is a lot of personal choice about the matter in several > denominations including the Roman Catholic, and those who stick rigidly t= o one > line of action may be beating a dead horse. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 =B3Personal choice=B2 might always be there; =B3rigidity=B2 seems inappropri= ate. >=20 > Bob Elms. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 Dang! I just saw your name and realized I=B9m on the wrong list. I=B9m= OTTA > here! >=20 > Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: communion packets From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:38:19 -0500   > > One last thought: The disciples were seated when receiving the First > > Communion. :) > > Uh, Jeff. I think that's unlikely. You're thinking da Vinci? > > Alan   Alan, certainly not. I know it wasn't like that. Were they standing around? Were they kneeling at Jesus' feet then? They were eating a meal...logic would dictate that they were seated around the room, possibly in a circle. They definitely were NOT in a temple at the communion rail. :)   Seriously, though, Alan...how else would they have been? Is there a = Hebrew tradition that I'm not aware of in partaking of the meal? (Not trying to = be a smart alek...IMWTK)   Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: communion packets From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:32:17 +1200   >how else would they have been? Is there a Hebrew tradition that I'm not aware of in partaking of the meal? (Not trying to = be a smart alek...IMWTK)   The people at the Last Supper would have been reclining on couches, in a circle, the couches radiating like spokes in a wheel. You leaned on your left elbow and got your eaties from a round table within reach of everyone in the circle. If you were extraordinarily fortunate someone might pour = cold water over the feet hanging over the other end of the couch. Even slaves could not be asked to do ultra-menial task, though, so when Christ did the feet of his disciples, it was mighty significant.   Ross     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: some REAL evangelical service-playing From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:10:10 +0100   Well, 'Just Curious' Reedstop of charter.net;   I suppose, being a 'tracker' organ, the bellows are (relatively) close to = me and so I can hear them plainly, 'cos I know what they sound like. Plus the fact that 'the beast' is situated on the ground floor (i.e. at ear-level with the congregation) and so, if I can hear them (even = slightly) then so can everybody else (probably). Plus the fact that we're well populated at main service(s) and so there are/is congregation quite close to the organ case (3 to 4 yds).   And then, although regularly attended to, they're not the newest blowers 'on-the-block'.   And finally (strange how it is possible to drag things out - but then, surely that makes me a 'bona-fide' Pipechat member ?) it is a positive statement that I'm making - that I'm 'downing-tools' for a bit and that = I'm "joining" the congregation to listen to the sermon.   And what an interesting sermon we had this week, from visiting clergy in nearby Norton who filled-in while our Rector took 2 weeks leave. As I said to him, he should have come with sub-titles ! He made so many references = to chapter and verse in developing the gospel reading (now THAT's a novel feature, these days) that folks were at a loss to look-up passages in = their bibles (we have bibles set-out on every pew - just so that people can = follow things for themselves - if the fancy takes them / Spirit moves them).   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a very quiet musicman]   PS Your "Windows open" .... in Summer ! ? Not with the summer we're having. People were complaining that the boiler hadn't been fired-up and the central heating wasn't belting it out. But = then we.re an old stone building, 1300-and-something, nestled into a valley = cleft by a stream between two steep hills and the sun (when it daynes to show = its face) only starts to strike the building after 10 o'clock in the morning. Anyway, the Westerly jet-stream which normally sits between Greenland and Iceland has moved to sit across GB and pushed our summer weather some hundreds of miles south (viz. the torrential scenes of rain falling on = this year's 'Tour-de-France') and was sitting firmly out-of-place last week on St. Swithin's Day.   Oh calamity. Oh apocalypse. Oh Weh.   We even had a conversation in the pub on Saturday about whether the Oak or the Ash came into leave first .... "'Cos the trees 'know' these sorts of things !" and I quote, honestly ! It's THAT sort of village. One of my favourite expressions (used to de-fuse debate when it gets too heated) is ... "I was thinking of entering the Village Idiot competition ..... then I realised that the competition in this village is too fierce !" It de-fuses things 'cos I'm built like the proverbial brick outbuilding, = and when I stand up folks ask whether there's been an unexpected eclipse = ......   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: RE: some REAL evangelical service-playing     > Harry, why do you do this? Are the blowers quite loud? > > I used to play at a church that has a big Kilgen, and the blower is VERY > noisy. Fortunately, closing the swell box during 'quieter' times = muffles it > somewhat. It's not as bad in summer because the windows are open and = the > fans are going down below. I hated how loud that thing is! > > Just curious. > > Jeff > > > > I always switch the blowers off during the Rector's walk to the pulpit and > > leave the organ-bench to sit in one of the new (upholstered) chairs = set > > nearby