PipeChat Digest #4644 - Sunday, July 25, 2004
 
Franck Hautbois
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: Franck Hautbois
  by "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net>
Hook on Organclearinghouse webpage
  by "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: Hook on Organclearinghouse webpage
  by "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
What appeals to people
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: What appeals to people
  by "Raymond H. Clark" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: What appeals to people
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Things I've learned
  by "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@yahoo.com>
Re: The Farmer in the Dell
  by "Mark Gustus" <mgustus@msn.com>
music list
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Hook on Organclearinghouse webpage
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Organ music/Styles (was: Attitude (and Organists))
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
music
  by "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com>
Re: Organ music/Styles (was: Attitude (and Organists))
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: The Farmer in the Dell
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Organ music/Styles (was: Attitude (and Organists))
  by <PMMGBOB@aol.com>
RE: music for 8/15
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: Organ music/Styles
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
August 15 - Mary
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: music for 8/15
  by <PMMGBOB@aol.com>
Re: Organ music/Styles (was: Attitude (and Organists))
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: music for 8/15
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
pedalpoint?
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
UNSUBCSRIBE
  by <Hell-Felix@t-online.de>
Felix Hell unsubscribing
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: music for 8/15
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: August 15 - Mary
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
PipeChat OHS Gallery
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
 

(back) Subject: Franck Hautbois From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 04:37:36 -0700   My undstanding is that the original Hautbois blended very well with the flues, and the "reed" sound faded away when the shutters where closed.    
(back) Subject: Re: Franck Hautbois From: "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:41:56 -0400   Yes, that is right on C-C hautbois. For that, Franck used this stop quasi as a foundation stop for his works.   Andres First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The orgler got a pet, and the cat got something to wonder about. ----------- Mensaje Original -------------- De: Terrick [Terrick@webtv.net (terry hicks)] Para: pipechat@pipechat.org (PipeChat) [pipechat@pipechat.org (PipeChat)] Cc: Asunto: Franck Hautbois Fecha: 25/07/2004 07:38:06 Mensaje:   My undstanding is that the original Hautbois blended very well with the flues, and the "reed" sound faded away when the shutters where closed.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Hook on Organclearinghouse webpage From: "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 06:44:05 -0500   Has anyone seen or heard this 18 rank organ on the webpage? It looks perfect for my church.. Just curious if anyone heard it and could tell me = a little bit more about it. Here is the link: http://www.shakespeare-cambridge.org/downing.html.   Thanks   Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.scottmontgomerymusic.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Hook on Organclearinghouse webpage From: "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 06:45:50 -0500   Ok here is the real link: http://www.organclearinghouse.com/instruments/detail/2086.php   Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.scottmontgomerymusic.net    
(back) Subject: What appeals to people From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 05:12:15 -0700   I think such a thread can go on ad nauseum.   Much of what appeals to "the people" depends on the instrument and how it's used by the player. A wooly-souding or just plain bad instrument will usual not bring alive the joy of early music, There is plenty of early music that could be called "lighter", and beautiful, that does delight people - I know from experience. But you need beautiful sounds to begin with, and an organist who knows how to use them.   The same with more contemporary fare. I once spread the entire Messiaen "Ascension" suite throughout the liturgy in a rather stodgy Missouri Synod parish, and it was well received. This was on a 22 stop tracker, but the beauty of the individual/ensemble sounds allowed it to work.   It's very easy to please with music that has a "broadway" melody or recognizable harmonies. If that's all the organ can handle, then one has stay within it's limitations. But let's not imply that folks can not or won't appreaciate other stuff.    
(back) Subject: Re: What appeals to people From: "Raymond H. Clark" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:19:16 -0700   My last post was a LAST-gasp high Anglican church, but from the Sunday after Corpus Christi until the Sunday after Labor Day we tended to let our hair down ... the choir was on holiday; we sang lots of hymns from the 400s in the 1940 Hymnal, and I played "lighter" organ music. I remember playing a Batiste Marche one Sunday ... one of the chanters came up to the console afterwards and said, "That was FORMIDABLE trash; I LOVED it!" (chuckle)   If you want vanilla custard with treacle sauce, there's LOTS of LEGITIMATE 19th century and early 20th century music that was WRITTEN for those Mighty Blow-Holers ... check the Organ Literature Foundation (are they still in business?) and the Organ Historical Society's catalogs.   Or check your local library. In San Diego, a former Civic Organist left his entire collection to the downtown library ... music that was played on the big Austin in Balboa Park.   Here's a point to be made: instead of cursing all those 8' stops and/or attempting to remake the organ in the image of a Schnitger, go dig up literature that FITS your instrument ... you CAN still do REAL music.   Cheers,   Bud       terry hicks wrote:   > I think such a thread can go on ad nauseum. > > Much of what appeals to "the people" depends on the instrument and how > it's used by the player. A wooly-souding or just plain bad instrument > will usual not bring alive the joy of early music, There is plenty of > early music that could be called "lighter", and beautiful, that does > delight people - I know from experience. > But you need beautiful sounds to begin with, and an organist who knows > how to use them. > > The same with more contemporary fare. > I once spread the entire Messiaen "Ascension" suite throughout the > liturgy in a rather stodgy Missouri Synod parish, and it was well > received. This was on a 22 stop tracker, but the beauty of the > individual/ensemble sounds allowed it to work. > > It's very easy to please with music that has a "broadway" melody or > recognizable > harmonies. If that's all the organ can handle, then one has stay within > it's limitations. But let's not imply that folks > can not or won't appreaciate other stuff. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: What appeals to people From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:41:16 -0500   At 7:19 AM -0700 7/25/04, Raymond H. Clark wrote: > check the Organ Literature Foundation (are they still in business?) >and the Organ Historical Society's catalogs. > I don't think the Organ Literature Foundation is in business any longer. I know that the OHS/American Organ Archives has gotten the collection of books, etc that were part of the OLF.     > >Here's a point to be made: instead of cursing all those 8' stops >and/or attempting to remake the organ in the image of a Schnitger, >go dig up literature that FITS your instrument ... you CAN still do >REAL music.   This concept was pointed out so well at the OHS Convention where recitalists, for the most part, first went to play and hear the organ they would be playing for the Convention and then picked literature that would work with that particular instrument and show it off to it's full advantage.   Several examples of this come to mind. Randy Bourne, who played a 1919 Votteler-Holtkamp-Sparling with only ONE 4' stop did a program of music that would have been used around the time that organ was built including the Bach "Little" Prelude & Fugue in g minor from an 1908 (I think that is the year that Randy mentioned) edition. It may not have been "academically" correct but it worked on that organ. Randy also did several transcriptions that were done by organists of that time period like Casper Koch, Richard Key Biggs and Edwin Shippen Barnes.   Justin Hartz did a program titled "Going out in Style" (I think that was the title he gave to it) on a 1933 Wurlitzer of 4 ranks. His program included music of Percy Fletcher and Dudley Buck among others. Again, music that fitted that organ.   These are just a couple of examples from many of music performed at the Convention. As Bud pointed out above, there IS music that will work on these instruments, you just have to hunt for it. And for the most part it is probably music that "Will Appeal to People".   David  
(back) Subject: Things I've learned From: "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:37:09 -0700 (PDT)   Dear list, The Buffalo OHS convention was a real learning experience for me in many = ways and I'd like to share some of what I've learned with you. So I = present for your reading enjoyment: "Everything I ever learned about hymn playing I learned in Buffaloud!" 1. When introducing a hymn always play long introductions in which the = hymn tune is not present or is so hidden as to confuse the congregation. 2. Don't play too loud on the first stanza. Allow the congregation to = think that the organ is playing as loud as it can. You can surprise them = later. 3. The organ is superior to the human voice as it does not require breaks = for breathing. Encourage the congregation to sing more like the organ by = not allowing them space to breathe. 4. Every organ needs four or five very loud solo reeds aimed directly at = the congregation. Coupled all together, they will force a free-spirited = congregation or a tonally handicapped congreation to follow the tune. 5. Always solo out the tune during a stanza sung in parts. 6. Better still, play an elaborate and confusing counter melody during = hymns that are new to the congregation or contain difficult tunes. 7. To encourage singing during the last few stanzas of a hymn, always add = louder and brighter mixtures, and 30 or more ranks of harmonic reeds. 8. If you can still hear the congregation over the organ you're playing = too softly. 9. Encourage the patrons of the local bar or restaurant across the street = from your church to join in the hymns by playing loud enough for them to = hear you. 10. If by the end of the hymn you've force the congregation into = submission and the white flag of surrender has been raised, you can pat = yourself on the back as having played the hymns in the greatest way = possible: the "Buffaloud" way!   Will Scarboro DISCLAIMER: The preceding message was meant as a humorous message and was = not meant to be taken seriously. If you did take this message seriously = and/or are offended by it, please accept my appologies.   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
(back) Subject: Re: The Farmer in the Dell From: "Mark Gustus" <mgustus@msn.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:14:33 -0500     "Farmer," or a fragment thereof, would make a nice subject for a fugue. = A la gigue, maybe? Countersubject, "Three Blind Mice."   Now it's running through my head and I can't get rid of it.   Rogation Day postlude, of course.   -Mark      
(back) Subject: music list From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:16:00 -0400   Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio July 25, 2004; 8:00 and 10:30 a.m. Lutheran Book of Worship setting two Prelude: Prelude in G Minor Dietrich Buxtehude Hymn: Praise, My Soul, the King of Heaven Hymn: Day by Day (Blott en Dag) Solo: Come unto Him George Frederic Handel Denise Nicole Dittman, soprano Hymn: What a Friend We Have in Jesus Offertory Solo: The Unutterable Beauty Randy Runyon (to a poem by Geoffrey Studdert-Kennedy) Dick Ruby, baritone Hymn: Have Thine Own Way, Lord Postlude: Fanfare Jacques Lemmens         Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Hook on Organclearinghouse webpage From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:31:34 -0500   I am not familiar with the particular organ, but there is an 1864 Hook = here in Burlington that I have heard, played, and serviced with a nearly identical stoplist. (Russell and Company restored it and is officially = its curator... he often subs to me since I'm closer). Fantastic organ. Not tubby like turn-of-the-century organs. Upperwork nice and bright, but not =   harsh (not even close to harsh). The main difference between the = Burlington one and the one you are looking at, besides the fact that the Burlington organ lost its facade to the poor judgement of 1970's church decorators, = is that the open wood in Burlington is 16'. Although a 16' Open Wood is valuable and sought after, in the end I'll bet the 8' Flote of the organ = you are looking at would prove more useful. Woops... just noticed also the = Troy one does not have a quinte (that's too bad) and the mixture is only 2 = ranks (maybe that's where the quinte is?). So might not have quite the same brightness. Also no 2' swell stop... Burlington has one. Otherwise, = looks like you are looking at a rare opportunity.   I suppose the biggest complaint might be heavy action, and the fact that = it has to be adjusted seasonally (but its not hard to do once you are shown how).   Is the one for sale able to be seen and heard? If not, maybe you should = see and hear this one in Burlington. Burlington is not terribly far from = Troy.   Andy     A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ music/Styles (was: Attitude (and Organists)) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:13:46 EDT   What appeals to the congregation is to what they relate. I have been = using some music with "classical" organ repertoire leading into a hymn tune = familiar to the congregation. They really like that. Or one I used last Sunday = was the F major Little Prelude and Fugue with Praise to The Lord from the new Pedalpoint. Also, improvisation on hymn tunes or praise songs works and = is fun to do. Lee  
(back) Subject: music From: "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:14:21 -0700 (PDT)   Okay, well, i was thinking more of the whole "Hail Holy Queen Enthroned = Above" type of thing, not "His Eye is on the Sparrow". But whatever. = That's cool. I still dare someone to do the "Hail Holy Queen Enthroned = Above". I'll mail you a dollar. Swear to it. LOL. ~Bernadette   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: Organ music/Styles (was: Attitude (and Organists)) From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:29:00 -0500   In the palace of the King of the Belgians, we would visit through a false closet (wardrobe), when things got rather touchy, he deeded me a Duchy.   This is a quote from the Broadway musical "A Little Night Music" by Sondheim... the song is titled "Liasons".   Sand   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:12 AM Subject: Re: Organ music/Styles (was: Attitude (and Organists))     > > "In the palace of king of Belgium we will visit with a (false/fake?) ragman... and when businesses dev=E9(?) a little bit equivocal I am given a duchy..... " > >   Re  
(back) Subject: Re: The Farmer in the Dell From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:48:06 -0500   either that or the Sunday that the "farmer went out to sow". That would be a laugh! Alicia Zeilenga "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"     -----Original Message----- From: "Mark Gustus" <mgustus@msn.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:14:33 -0500 Subject: Re: The Farmer in the Dell   > > "Farmer," or a fragment thereof, would make a nice subject for a > fugue. A > la gigue, maybe? > Countersubject, "Three Blind Mice." > > Now it's running through my head and I can't get rid of it. > > Rogation Day postlude, of course. > > -Mark > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ music/Styles (was: Attitude (and Organists)) From: <PMMGBOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:58:43 EDT   FIGS. No, not even figs. Raisins. Ah, liaisons. No, this was not especially relevant to anything. But then neither is much = else posted here.....<G>  
(back) Subject: RE: music for 8/15 From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:11:18 -0500   <I still dare someone to do the "Hail Holy Queen Enthroned Above". I'll = mail you a dollar. Swear to it. LOL.>   Well, I would, but...I'd need to de-RC it. The Lutheran church doesn't teach that Mary is a queen, or enthroned above (right, Alan?). Otherwise, = I really really like that tune, and really like the way it's done on "Sister Act." Despite the Mary thing (g), I was touched spiritually by it. How about "Hail Holy King enthroned above...alleluia!" OK, out of context for this particular Sunday, but I'd love to find a different use for that = tune! :)   Curiously, though, the suggestions my resource for this Sunday has for = hymns are:   Gathering: Love Divine, All Loves Excelling or Our Father By Whose Name Hymn/Day: Sing of Mary, Pure and Lowly; Ye Watchers and Ye Holy Ones; or = My Soul Now Magnifies the Lord COMMUNION: Of the Father's Love Begotten; O Lord, We Praise You; or My = Soul Proclaims Your Greatness SENDING: Now Thank We All Our God, or For All The Faithful Women   I'll probably play "Rhosymedre" by V. Williams as my offertory piece (and that's the tune of "Our Father By Whose Name"). This tune name, of = course, means "Lovely" (according to my music). Not sure yet what I want to do = for Prelude and Postlude. Hmm...   Regards,   Jeff  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ music/Styles From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:12:24 -0500   Thanks for the translations. Now please explain the relevance to this thread? Or, is it a subject line blooper? :D   Regards, Jeff > > In the palace of the King of the Belgians, we would visit through a = false > closet (wardrobe), when things got rather touchy, he deeded me a Duchy. > > This is a quote from the Broadway musical "A Little Night Music" by > Sondheim... the song is titled "Liasons".    
(back) Subject: August 15 - Mary From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:18:40 -0500   All,   I just made a comment about the Lutheran teachings regarding Mary. (And, = by the way, no offense was intended to our RC friends...)   Below is the "Introduction" from Augsburg Fortress' "Sundays & Seasons" = for this particular Sunday:   INTRODUCTION   Mary, the mother of Jesus, is traditionally believed to have died on this date. Faithful to the last, Mary has been important to Christian devotion throughout history because in her, the God-bearer, is seen a = representation of the church itself. Mary's song (the Magnificat) is our gospel for the day. It is a powerful statement of justice, still apt for us today as we come with our own neediness to experience God's justice and mercy in word and sacrament.   I was not aware that this date was believed to be the date of her death. Very interesting! I just thought I'd share this with you.   Jeff  
(back) Subject: Re: music for 8/15 From: <PMMGBOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:11:48 EDT   Don't forget the celestes and chimes...  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ music/Styles (was: Attitude (and Organists)) From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:18:01 -0700 (PDT)   Improvising on the processional hymn is what Im doing over the summer as = prelude. The idea of using 2 preludes is great and I do that during the = church year. I try to make keys flow. If I play say...the Little Prelude = and Fugue in A minor, I may play it using a type of plenum, but precede it = with a hymn arrangement C major, something relative to it I need to get back on the Pedalpoint mags. Those are useful.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
(back) Subject: Re: music for 8/15 From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:57:26 EDT   my postlude 8-15   Hail Holy Queen, Enthroned Above"   arranged by   Charlie Callahan---MorningStar Music   what is my little Lutheran Church going to do, Fire Me? and the RC members =   who attend because there is no close RC parish, will thank me, no one will = be harmed?!?   Prelude? My Soul Doth Magnify from those Shublert <G> things in the beginning of = one of those W-S Bach books......   dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: pedalpoint? From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:00:10 EDT   What is Pedal Point Mag?     dale in Florida--perspiring and not even playing a Trio Sonata  
(back) Subject: UNSUBCSRIBE From: <Hell-Felix@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:02:41 +0200   Could you please unsubscribe me from this list. Thanks Felix Hell      
(back) Subject: Felix Hell unsubscribing From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:27:16 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I hope that Felix will re-consider his decision to unsubscribe.   I think that, for the moment, people are in vacation mood....it happens every year. The posts become a little frivolous and nobody seems to have anything to say of importance.   The best way of countering this sort of apathy and the tendency to go "off topic," is to write something interesting.   It would, for instance, be extremely interesting to hear how the studies are going for Felix, and what sort of repertoire he is now absorbing.   How about if Felix?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: music for 8/15 From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:34:57 -0400   On 7/25/04 5:11 PM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   > The Lutheran church doesn't teach that Mary is a queen, or enthroned abov= e > (right, Alan?). =20   You could be rebutted, maybe even successfully, on that. Phrases (TLH) lik= e =B3Higher than the cherubim; more glorious than the seraphim,=B2 when contextualized with scriptural phrases about the REST of us as being =B3a little lower than the angels=B2 are intriguing and invite speculation.   Only a few days ago I read a pretty solid (specifically Lutheran) case for words like =B3crowned,=B2 =B3empress,=B2 and =B3queen.=B2 It may take me a day or two to find it again. (Non-publicized [almost secret] aftermath of OHS and P.O.E. goings-on are in NYC tomorrow.) If I can, and if I can justify it i= n a PipeChat context, I=B9ll post it here; otherwise, off-liste.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: August 15 - Mary From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:48:33 -0400   On 7/25/04 5:18 PM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   > this date was believed to be the date of her death. Very interesting! >=20 Among other problems =B3alleged=B2 death. And since about the sixth century (I think). I=B9ll just have to check on Tuesday.   Alan, keeping it short because off topic  
(back) Subject: PipeChat OHS Gallery From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:17:00 -0500   As some of you may have discovered there is a new link on the PipeChat Web Page for the PipeChat Gallery. For the last two weeks it has been some test photos basically to see how it was going to work. But as of this afternoon I have started posting photos from this year's convention. The first Gallery is of people, mainly from this list although there is some cross-over with people on the PIPORG-L and a few non-list members on there.   We will be adding more from the convention as time goes along. The direct URL is: http://www.pipechat.org/gallery/index.php   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org