PipeChat Digest #4650 - Monday, July 26, 2004
 
Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty?	others?
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Hook on Organclearinghouse webpage
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Organist Hymnals
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Starting ages as organist
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Tubukar-Pneumatic Actions
  by "Phil Stimmel" <pca@sover.net>
Bud & the Plumber
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Bud & the Plumber
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Re: felix unsubscribe etc
  by <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
Re: Re: felix unsubscribe etc
  by <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
Re: Desiree's book list
  by <Miltronix2004@wmconnect.com>
Re: Desiree's book list
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: music
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: Beginning organist
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Organist Hymnals
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: Desiree's book list
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Tubular Pneumatic Action
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: (no subject)
  by "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: Early age organist.
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re:  Starting ages as organist
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others? From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:02:58 -0400   on 7/26/04 7:53 PM, OMusic@aol.com at OMusic@aol.com wrote:   ...Then there are the Gordon Young and Dale Wood compositions and arrangements. In the Gordon Young books, there is usually one really nice piece in each book. The Wood arrangements and compositions are more difficult, but very nice, especially the ones based on The Sacred Harp. = ... Lee   Dale Wood used to be a theatre organist, I think, and it shows in the lush chords hidden in his otherwise restrained, yet beautiful compositions. I plan to play his arrangement of "In the Garden" during communion this = coming Sunday.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Hook on Organclearinghouse webpage From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:06:46 EDT   In a message dated 7/25/04 6:44:17 AM Central Daylight Time, montre1978@yahoo.com writes:   > http://www.shakespeare-cambridge.org/downing.html. > >   My computer says the page no longer exists. Lee  
(back) Subject: Organist Hymnals From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:09:48 EDT   Organist Hymnals 1. Melody / Alto on 1st of 3 staves Tenor on 2nd of 3 staves Pedal (bass) notes separated on a third (bass) stave. 2. Loose-leaf (plastic/comb or metal, 3 or more ring(s) ) binding Does anyone know of any denomination (or commercial) publisher which has REALLY published an organist's hymnal which matches (or nearly matches) description #1 above? In addition to being a magnifient tool for teaching excellent hymn-playing = technique, it would serve advanced organists extremely well, also. However, such a "creation" likely does NOT exist, due primarily to the = cost of the special engravings and the relatively small number of sales which = would be generated for each individual denomination's publication / edition. Dale Rider Independence, MO USA  
(back) Subject: Re: Starting ages as organist From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:09:38 -0400   I started organs lessons at 5 on a Lowery Holiday Duo. By the time I = was 7 I was playing for primary (1st,2nd,3rd grades) school masses at my = school. By the time I was in the 8th grade I was playing all school = masses and 4 on weekends. By te time I graduated high school I was = playing all masses (2 Saturday night, 5 Sunday morning and 2 Sunday = evening) and directing the elementary school choir and the adult choir. = Then I went away to school for a year and proceeded to spend so much = time at the church with music programs my studies suffered terribly. I = never could get back into the swing of studying, quit school and started = playing in supper clubs and church and haven't looked back --=20 Tom Hoehn, Organist Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes, Ellenton, FL (substitute - 4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/9?- = Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks) Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/DTOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOUploads/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: OMusic@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: Re: Starting ages as organist     I started piano lessons at age 4, played for my Sunday School = department by the age of 10, but did not have a job as organist until I = was 14, in a little Mexican church, where they asked me if I could play = in Spanish. Lee
(back) Subject: Re: Tubukar-Pneumatic Actions From: "Phil Stimmel" <pca@sover.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:30:29 -0400   Well......Estey Opus # 1 in Brattleboro, VT, built in 1901 is going strong after 103 years!!! We have here John Wessel (retired), who worked for Estey during its last = 5-6 years, and who's probably repaired and restored more tubular-pneumatic Esteys than anyone alive.   Phil Stimmel   The Estey Pipe Organ www.esteyorgan.com  
(back) Subject: Tubular Pneumatic Action From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:19:29 -0500   Hello List.   I've recently had cause to inquire into the workings of tubular-pneumatic organ actions and have heard about a supposed unreliability in instruments with these actions. Is it typical to experience dead notes and ciphers in such actions? Are actions restorable to any degree of reliability?   Do any of you know of T-P organs that are either functioning reliably in original or restored condition? If any of you have or can point me to diagrams of these actions, I would be grateful   I have a small tubular pneumatic organ at my disposal, 1910 A.B Felgemaker opus 1067 of 11 ranks and two manuals/pedal with a pretty standard disposition for that time. I'm looking in to finding a home for it, but it may have to be stored for some time. Is it worth my while to restore the tubular pneumatic action, or will it ever be reliable? If so, should the lead tubes be kept (or can they even) or replaced with rubber or plastic.   Any help on this topic is sought after. I have a rather elementary period diagram of such an action, and would be happy to share it with interested parties.   Daniel      
(back) Subject: Bud & the Plumber From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:38:33 -0500   Bud spoke of how churches hire plumbers, electricians, etc. Bud, that's probably true in highly regulated southern California and some urban = areas. But there are vast areas in the US where most of the plumbing, electrical, roofing, remodeling, etc. work at churches IS still done by members who volunteer their time and skill. Many of these congregations have always = had volunteer organists, pianists, choir directors, secretaries, custodians, etc.   Statistically, most churches in the US have less than 100 attending on a Sunday; it is increasingly difficult for them to put together a viable full-time package for a pastor--indeed, even a part time package. And pastors--like organists, electricians, everybody else--have to pay bills, find housing, clothe and feed their children, etc.   Around here it is not unusual to have two to five congregations "yoked" together to share a pastor (sometimes it still totals a part time = position) which is subsidized by the denomination.   I applaud churches that can afford full time or even adequately paid musicians. The best music and worship I was ever blessed to be a part of was a large church with TWO full time organists/musicians AND a4 manual almost 100 Rank A-S organ.   But the flat reality is--for most churches--no matter how desirable--it ain't gonna happen, Bud--and it can't! We can talk about "shoulds" and "oughtas" till the cows come home, but reality is still there.   That being said, Bud, I wish it weren't that way!   Cordially, Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Re: Bud & the Plumber From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:55:26 -0500   "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" wrote: > Bud spoke of how churches hire plumbers, electricians, etc. Bud, that's > probably true in highly regulated southern California and some urban = areas. > But there are vast areas in the US where most of the plumbing, = electrical, > roofing, remodeling, etc. work at churches IS still done by members who > volunteer their time and skill.   Time is one thing. Would that it be SKILL!   We've kinda "gone around the block" once upon a time about this one where the conclusion was that it is highly DANGEROUS for unskilled and unknowledgeable people to do "hillbilly" (or whatever derogatory term you prefer!) wiring in Places of Assembly.   Before my recent surgery, I completed a major re-wire the the Kitchen portion of our church and what we tore out and replace was, quite literally, shocking! WHat was AMAZING was that the various women's group's that would use the Kitchen facilities would always have to round-up an extra helper whose sole purpose in life was to re-set circuit breakers that kept tripping!   There are reasons, but there ARE NO EXCUSES! Let's face it: NO ONE would put up with that sort of nonsense in their private residences and would somehow find whatever money was needed to see to it that their own residence kitchen was re-done in such a way to prevent such a travesty. Something like this is clearly a FIRE WAITING TO HAPPEN! Any church that can't collectively find enough money to get a PROFESSIONAL to be sure their Kitchen wiring is safe, adequate and up-to-code really needs to re-consider its financial priorities.   It seems to me that NO CHURCH, no matter what size would have financial problems if people simply TITHED. That's expected, Scripturally.   In our area, people like to bare a big toothless grin and proudly announce: "Their ain't no codes in (you name the place)" as though that is something to be proud of.   Codes were written and adopted for a very important reason, safety of personnel and protection of property.   A church is a substantial investment and no one can convince me that it is somehow better to let a structure burn down due to stupidity and lack of care when it comes to the electrical infrastructure of the building.   I've fought an uphill battle with my own church but after the little bit that got done, they now understand the importance of good wiring and plan to commit the necessary funds to complete a similar upgrade and re-do of the rest of their physical plant, once I'm back in harness.   And this is not a well-heeled church but one that's learned a valuable lesson.   Faithfully,   Grandpa Edison (Apparently embarking on a new career)  
(back) Subject: Re: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:43:08 +0200   Thanks, Mack, for your help. I indeed had been "off the list" for a day or so, for reasons I don't know. So I don't even know what to answer to which questions "officially". I can only confirm, that Felix unsubscribed from PIPECHAT and PIPIORG-L. The reasons are not really off topic, but sort of off topic in the sense, that a discussion of them could end in mutual flames of circles involved . Therefore, we kindly ask to understand: no comments! In addition to that a little correction: Felix will perform on August 1st in Berlin at the "famous" Orgel of the Epiphanienkirche in Charlottenburg, controversially discussed on this list a few months ago. After that, Mack is correct, he and his brother Andreas will be hiking/climbing in the Bavarian Alpes and we are expecting them back home by August 27. This will give Felix enough time to prepare for his recitals of September 1st, 4th and 5th. After Labourday, he will be back in (No, not in Philly, but in) Baltimore, and move into his new apartment at North Charles Street.   Thanks for listening   Hans-Friedrich Hell     -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 01:51:11 +0200 Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: mack02445 <mack02445@comcast.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>   Before this gets going too much more, there has been enough "open mouth insert foot" on this issue. Hans was somehow unsubscribed too, which is why there has been no official answer. Felix is away in Germany hiking through the Alps with his Brother. nuff said.   Mack   nycchelsea@yahoo.com wrote:   >I dont' know Felix but I would guess he probably >re-subscribed using a "junk" email address.. > > > >     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Re: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:57:37 +0200   Hi list, just an additional info. I received the message below from David Scribner. So deleating me was an accident. But it shows, how close even our, Felix's and mine, e-mail addresses are: if you deleat the one, the probability is high that you will hit the other also. Anyway, let's close this, and don't try to dig deaper into it.. Simply go back on topic. Hans   QUOTE   Hans   Somehow when I deleted Felix's address your's got deleted also. I have put it back. Sorry about the confusion. I got you first note at noontime but with having to deal with over 500 bounced mails because of this new virus I haven't been able to get to check and see what happened until now   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat     UNQUOTE       -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 01:51:11 +0200 Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: mack02445 <mack02445@comcast.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>   Before this gets going too much more, there has been enough "open mouth insert foot" on this issue. Hans was somehow unsubscribed too, which is why there has been no official answer. Felix is away in Germany hiking through the Alps with his Brother. nuff said.   Mack   nycchelsea@yahoo.com wrote:   >I dont' know Felix but I would guess he probably >re-subscribed using a "junk" email address.. > > > >     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree's book list From: <Miltronix2004@wmconnect.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:04:48 EDT   Hello Desiree!   In addition to the other books that will be recommended to you, may I add:   CREATING FOUR-PART HARMONY......... Fred Bock   Excellent theological and musical basis for a ministry of music from the = late Dr. Bock, who had served at a nationally-known (Presbyterian) church. I believe it's still available; I lent my copy out and thus don't have = publisher info.   Regards, Bill Miller, Coleman Place Presbyterian, Norfolk VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree's book list From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:10:52 EDT   Run by Steve Bock, Fred's son at Bock Music Company.  
(back) Subject: Re: music From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:12:41 -0400   Jan wrote, >Not going to happen outside of a Roman Catholic Church.   Bernadette wrote, >Okay, well, i was thinking more of the whole "Hail Holy Queen Enthroned >Above" type of thing, not "His Eye is on the Sparrow". But whatever. >That's cool. I still dare someone to do the "Hail Holy Queen Enthroned = Above".   Actually, it's already happened! A year or two after "Sister Act" came = out, our then director of music (she is Lutheran) led our Youth Choir (quartet of girls) in the "Sister Act" version of Salve Regina --"Hail Holy = Queen"-- at Christ Episcopal Church in Springfield, Ohio. The Rector knew about it before the date of that anthem. The congregation was pleased at the offering the girls made with their voices. I didn't hear one word of dissent about the choice of music. Our parish seems to have as many former =   Roman Catholic members as it has Lutheran.   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA    
(back) Subject: Re: Beginning organist From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:15:43 -0400   > I'm usually a "lurker" on most lists....However, I'm very excited > about BEGINNING organ lessons as an adult learner - I just had my > third lesson! And the discussions on this list (especially those > centered around church music) are very enjoyable.   Hello Joseph, Best of luck as you set forth on this new and wonderful adventure. I just =   started learning 4 years ago, then 46 years old. I started learning just = for my own amusement and my family has been very supportive. I managed to get = in a bit more than a year of lessons. Now at the age of 50 I've played my = first church service on July 4.   Keep at it and practice DAILY even if you can only manage 30 minutes. = There are many very gracious organists here who can give you advice on the music =   you're looking for.   Join your local AGO and your local OHS chapters. Meet other oganists. = There are some helpful folks around.   Cheers, TommyLee Whitlock    
(back) Subject: Re: Organist Hymnals From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:50:43 -0400   Dale wrote, >Organist Hymnals > 1. Melody / Alto on 1st of 3 staves > Tenor on 2nd of 3 staves > Pedal (bass) notes separated on a third (bass) stave. > > 2. Loose-leaf (plastic/comb or metal, 3 or more ring(s) ) binding > >Does anyone know of any denomination (or commercial) publisher which has >REALLY published an organist's hymnal which matches (or nearly matches) >description #1 above?   I'm working on my own in this style. I'm also including hymn layouts as follows: Soprano on 1st staff Alto and Tenor on 2nd staff Bass on 3rd staff   I love to solo the soprano voice in hymns, but my limited skills and physical limitations (poor eyesight and tremors) make for not a musical stanza (verse) when I try with two stave standard hymnal versions.   Of course, I'm violating many copyrights, I fear, but I'm not doing it for =   anyone but myself. I use NoteWorthy Composer to trash the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. It is a low cost music notation, midi player sequencer type piece of software that is easy to use even when my right hand has all of that shaking going on. The printout isn't always just the way I want it, but it will do for me.   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA    
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree's book list From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:39:18 EDT   Dear Bill and Desiree,   You can never have enough books on how to modulate like a Post-Romantic, = to be sure. (I prefer the operas of Wagner and the Symphonies of Mahler and Bruckner as a teaching tool for this. There are far too many secondary = sources, many of them Anglican). However, you need only ONE to get deep into = counterpoint: "Gradus Ad Parnassum". If Bach or Palestrina is "Parnassus", Fux provides = the steps thereunto. Also unto a very correct and decent pastiche of = Palestrina and Victoria. And unto quite excellent improvisations. And sleepless = nights working out "first species" against every possible "cantus firmus". My, = the HORRORS of a good education!   All in good humour,   Bill H. Boston          
(back) Subject: Re: Tubular Pneumatic Action From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:49:37 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Well, tubular pneumatic actions can be extremely unreliable or not, as the case may be.   In the UK, enormous effort went into producing reliable and extremely sophisticated Tubular Pneumatic systems which responded and played almost as good as the best E-P actions.   Among the most notable in the good actions stakes, had to be Norman & Beard (later to become Hill, Norman & Beard), J J Binns and the Harrison & Harrison company.   In very unfavourable conditions of damp and extremes of temperature, the old pneumatic action fitted by J J Binns to the famous Schulze organ at St.Bart's, Armley, lasted the better part of a century, and more or less still played until last year, when the restoration got under way.   That pneumatic system has been retained and completely refurbished by Harrison & Harrison, and I would expect it to last at least seventy years without major work being required.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       > At 02:19 PM 7/26/2004, Daniel wrote: > >Hello List. > > > >I've recently had cause to inquire into the > workings of tubular-pneumatic > >organ actions and have heard about a supposed > unreliability in instruments > >with these actions. Is it typical to experience > dead notes and ciphers in > >such actions? Are actions restorable to any degree > of reliability? > > > >Do any of you know of T-P organs that are either > functioning reliably in > >original or restored condition?     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:55:35 -0500   I started when I was 11, for three different churches. Anyone beat = that? HA-HA. It's the debate for youngest player. Felix probably has = us beat.     Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.scottmontgomerymusic.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Early age organist. From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:27:22 EDT   Greeting,   I was 10 when I started playing the organ at St. Pius V Catholic = Church, McKeesport, Pa. I studied piano at the convent with one of the Sisters of = Mercy who staffed the school and one day she took me up to the choir loft to = learn about the pipe organ. She sat me down and began to show me the workings of = the pipe organ. Sister began giving me lessons from the Liturgical Organist , Book 1 by Carlo Rossini and then we progressed to the Stainer Organ = Method and also the Dickinson Method. I was so excited when I began the Bach "Eight = Little Preludes and Fugues" . The power of the instrument completely won me over. = Sister also gave me lessons on the Mass Chants Within 2 months or so, I = began playing and singing the early morning Requiem Masses with Sister at my = side. Within 6 months I was on my own, playing and singing Mass. Then a year = later in 1964 the Catholic Church dropped Latin for the Vernacular. I continued = to play the morning Masses, but now the chant was in English.I also began accompanying the choir and playing the few hymns that the congregation = were beginning to learn. I loved every minute of playing the pipe organ. I knew at this = early age that I wanted to be a church musician. The original organ I played on = was a great old Estey. It went through several rebuilds by various companies = over the years and still is well maintained. My parents and many family still belong to St. Pius including my 101 year old Grandmother. My = great-grandparents were founding members. I played there until I graduated from high school = and went on to college.When home visiting for the holidays from school, I = always played a Mass or two. Those were the days!!   Peace,   Daniel Weimer Minister of Music Our Lady of Hope Catholic Church Port Orange, Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Starting ages as organist From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:29:12 -0500   Also at age 11.   Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: <RMB10@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: Starting ages as organist     > I started my career as a church organist at age 11. > > Monty Bennett > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >