PipeChat Digest #4653 - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 unskilled wiring by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: (no subject) by "Bernadette Wagner" <email@example.com> Re: POE and POE+ (was youngest on the List) by "Bernadette Wagner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> OHS organ reviews 04 by "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re young organists by "John Foss" <email@example.com> Re: Organist Hymnals by <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Re: Starting ages as organist by "Russ Greene" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: music for 8/15: Mary as Queen? by "Alan Freed" <email@example.com> Re: Starting age as organist. by "Shelley Culver" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Starting age as organist. by "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Re: music for 8/15: Mary as Queen? by "Alan Freed" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Re young organists by "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery by <TubaMagna@aol.com> Re: felix unsubscribe etc by "Alan Freed" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery by "William Evans" <email@example.com> Re: the real world by <OMusic@aol.com> Re :Your organists by "Alan Freed" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: (no subject) by "Alan Freed" <email@example.com> Re: Starting ages as organist by <OMusic@aol.com> Re: Organist hymbooks by <OMusic@aol.com> Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery by <TubaMagna@aol.com> Re: Early age organist. by <OMusic@aol.com> RE: felix unsubscribe etc by "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: PipeChat OHS Gallery by "Michael David" <email@example.com> How old? by "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: unskilled wiring From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:42:22 -0500 I don't deny your point, Rich, but MANY folks put up with unsafe conditions in their homes.........how many people take the batteries out of their smoke detectors or don't even have detectors? How many families replace fuses regularly if they forget to unplug the toaster before using the hair dryer? How many people have unsafe basement steps for decades? Yes, it's pennywise and poundfoolish, but there you have it. Dennis Steckley "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss
(back) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: "Bernadette Wagner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:06:47 -0700 (PDT) darn you! teacher. lol. i started piano when i was 7. oooooo. thats kinda = old, though. why do i have 75 messages in my inbox this mornin? THEY'RE = ALL FROM PIPECHAT! Scott <email@example.com> wrote:I started when I was 11, for three = different churches. Anyone beat that? HA-HA. It's the debate for = youngest player. Felix probably has us beat. Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.scottmontgomerymusic.net --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out!
(back) Subject: Re: POE and POE+ (was youngest on the List) From: "Bernadette Wagner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:09:59 -0700 (PDT) yeah, i attended my second POE this summer. my first was in 2002 at the U = of I. the one i went to this year was in Wheaton, IL. fun fun stuff. my = dad thinks ive outgrown them, but i dont believe him. whatever. ~Bernadette, or, Bernie DarrylbytheSea@aol.com wrote: Good morning, Y'all! I hope Bernie and Gregory and all youth members of Pipechat are a part of = the more-than-wonderful Pipe Organ Encounters summer program of the AGO. = Also, the POE+ program for adults is a very fine way for adult beginners = to gain skill and confidence in a similar, week-long away-from-home = experience. I hope everyone on the chat lists (both PIPORG-L and Pipechat) gives full = support for these two wonderful programs! Have a great day. Yours, Darryl by the Sea Nashville, TN --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
(back) Subject: OHS organ reviews 04 From: "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:25:15 -0400 Fourth Convention day was Sunday July 18th and we started with a visit to the former WuliTzer organ factory, which bears quite a lot of nostalgia about past glory. After several attempts to get in we finally succeeded- through the Pizza restaurant (the factory right now is converted into a sort of miniature mall). Who expects to find an original WurliTzer there will be disappointed; the most close to that you will see are some early electriums which don't work. Next Station was Ascension RCC in North Tonawanda which houses a lovely Felgemaker Op 601 from 1895 Unless it was revoiced (a plaque tells us that it was repaired in 1974) it has a surprisingly bright sound for that time and does very well in the church which otherwise has a dead accoustic and = a very low choir loft. To put this little one back into original condition would be a nice task for the Organ Restorer. First Trinity LC was Mr. Hermann Schlicker's congregation church and = houses one of his most "Kleukeresque" instruments I have seen. Surprisingly the organ doesn't sound as one may expect in this church which otherwise has = no dead accoustic. Here I finally was able to talk to Fred teardo, a young = and very promising organist from whom Stephen Roberts is very proud and made = me excellent references. The Schlicker in Kenmore Presbyterian Church has a far better tonal approach to its environment, which has an ineresting feature: The church was designed to be converted into a Theathre just in case the congregation wouldn't succeed. A unique case of prudent foreseeing and as result a surprising structure... and accoustics. On Monday July 19 we appreciated a Wurltzer (Opus 2182 from 1933) in the Forest Lawn Cemetery Chapel which demonstarted us a surprisingly versatility. When we think about Wurlitzer we instantly think iof a = Theatre Organ, and then we find a small church organ in a cemetery chapel! = However, with proper registration, it sounds like a miniature Theatre organ, as was demosntrated by Justin Harz. It even has a good brilliance because its salicional rank is voiced in a way it sounds like a free reed. The Buffalo end Erie County Historical Society has a museum with an auditorium where an A/S organ (Op 1183 from 1911) is installed. This is an interesting example of the home organs with player mechanism that were in vogue in the first 2 decades of the past century, and was rescued and re-installed in the museum. Unfortunatedly the player mechanism isn't in good shape and needs some restoration work. I ask myself who will do that, and more who will pay for that in our by-the-workhour paid society. In = 1997 I had to restore a duo-art player mechanism for a player piano, and this was a lot of fun but all but a lot of money job given the amount of time I spent with it. OB Charles Kegg (who had all hands to do to keep the roll = on track because the tracking mechanism works at random) demonstrated us the free reed clarinete which sounds like a real orchestra clarinete indeed. Aside the auditorium there is a most interesting piece: A miniature Bureau Organ that doesn't work but is perfectly restorable since vital parts are not missing. This instrument is of british origin, its nameplate reads "John ------ London", it has two stops (2' stopped, 1'open I guessed from the pipework). The OHS handbook says that is was built in 1780 but I allow myself to express some doubts about that date. The nameplate and some features seem too modern. However, certainity only could be achieved when this organ is disassembled for a restoration in a future and proper researches are done with aid of sources in GB. Next we travelled to Middleport to visit two Barkhoff organs, typical examples of the mentioned small church organs from early 20th Cty. They = are typical accompanimental organs, good for worship and small romantic literature, beeing stock instruments they were adapted as well as possible to the church and do they task in "brave and true manner"for little more than a century at this moment. Heavily nicked and wide windways are an indiction that the wind pressure is rather high, a necessary feature given the poor accopustics in the churches. Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church in Wolcottswille has a 1897 Hinners & Albertsen It's a pity that this worthful instrument, which obviously is cared with great love by the congregation, fits so bad into the church. Once again the choir loft is too low, the instrument is partially hidden behind two columns. Nevertheless its sound output is okay and comes thru the bad accoustics and has nice tonal resources. Its action is a bit noisy and the tremulant sounds like a chopper- both indictions that some work on the instrument is due soon. Judging from the attitude of the congregation, this "soon"will happen, and I wish that the called-in expert knows about the due organ perservation guidelines. Highlight of the day was the concert at Slee Hall (State Univerity of New York at Buffalo) and the Fisk Op 95 (1989) there. Fisk is known to build organs for concert halls. indeed this instrument is designed to work = *with* and orchestra, not against it or under it (how many times the orchestra owerwhlems an organ!), and another feature of this buoder is that the console is located in a balcony =EBn fenetre"and the organist therefore is able to have plenty of space, overview-and fresh air :)- I appreciate = that, having had to play half hidden behind a close row of Contrabasses and lurk desesperatedly over the note rack, the Contrabass players and half the orchestra at the conductor! the concert was superb as the accoustics of the hall, and sitting there watching at the organ I could no less than wonder about the the different worlds in which we live. Here stands a nice organ: in Caracas we have no organ despite of all efforts. Here plays an orchestra with great = enthusiasm meanwhile the Philharmonic Orchestra of Caracas had to suspend their concert series until further notice because the Teresa Carreno Culture Complex is used for political meetings right now... Touche!! With this I close the fourth part of my series. Stay tuned... Andres First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet, and the Cat got something to wonder about.
(back) Subject: Re young organists From: "John Foss" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:40:56 +0300 I'd like to start by thanking everyone for their nice comments about the = new web site, and I am glad you are finding it both interesting and enjoyable. Yes, Simon Gutteridge is both a very talented musician and a really nice guy - he and I were students together way back at the Royal College of = Music and have remained friends ever since. On the question of starting ages, I started when I was at Prep school (that's what we call primary schools in England) teaching myself at about the age of 8. We had a 1 manual 5 stop organ with no pedals - it was = pumped by foot. When I played the hymns for the school services one of the other boys was deputed to operate the pumping handle at the back. Occasionally = he lost interest and the organ died on me. Everyone looked round as if it = were my fault! We had a beautiful sounding 1 manual 6 stop Walker organ dating back to about 1890 in the village church - I used to play that as well. It had a 16' bourdon on the pedals. This was a big luxury. My youngest student at the moment is 7 year old Axilleas - he can actually be seen last year when he was 6 years old at my house organ on http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/jf.htm The kitten on the keys is even younger - about 6 months, I think. Doctor David Rowland of Cambridge University, who has recently been in = the US with his Choir, started lessons with me when he was 11 years old, = passing his ARCM performers diploma at 13, as did fellow chorister and organ student, David Rees. They both gave organ recitals at Holy Trinity, Sloane Street at the same age. I think that practising on the piano is a useful adjunct to learning the organ, but the two sit happily side by side. John Foss
(back) Subject: Re: Organist Hymnals From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:42:29 EDT Hello Cole, Where do you obtain NoteWorthy Composer, the software? I downloaded a = 'read only' version which will play scores that are downloaded, but (to my knowledge) it does not let me "set music." I do not believe what you are doing in any way violates the copyright law. = You are not arranging (with different harmonies or note values), just = separating them in a more readable, manageable way for viewing and coordination assistance. Go for it! Also, will NoteWorthy "translate" upload from other software programs? Not to be nosy, but have you been in Springfield very long? My wife and I = were the first (and only) husband/wife to graduate from Wittenberg when = the School of Music was still intact, (1973) in the Sacred Music Master's = degree program. Bravo for Fred Jackisch (to whom I was graduate organ teaching = assistant, Professor Jan Bender (the beloved and his dear wife Charlotte, both = deceased now, we understand), Elmer Blackmer, John Williams, and Aurora and = Orcenith Smith (voice faculty), last and certainly not least, the present Dept. of = Music Chair, magnificent TRUDY FABER. Small world, yes? Blessings, Dale Rider
(back) Subject: Re: Starting ages as organist From: "Russ Greene" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:45:28 -0500 I started my church music career at 7 as a paid Cathedral chorister. At 10, my choirmaster announced to my parents that he was going to teach me to play the organ. He gave me two years of piano lessons, then started me on the organ. At 13, I was his assistant, playing early services at a large downtown parish. Later that year, I got my own parish, St. Jude's Anglican Church in Winnipeg with a 13 stop tubular pneumatic pipe organ built 60 years previously by the Canadian Organ Company - I cherish the memories of that instrument to this day. A year later, St. Jude's choirmaster decided to pack it in so, at 14, I took over as choirmaster of a 30 voice adult choir. Forty-five years later, it's been a fun ride! Russ Greene St. Andrew's Anglican Church Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
(back) Subject: Re: music for 8/15: Mary as Queen? From: "Alan Freed" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:25:26 -0400 On 7/25/04 5:11 PM, "Jeff White" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > Well, I would, but...I'd need to de-RC it. The Lutheran church doesn't t= each > that Mary is a queen, or enthroned above (right, Alan?). >=20 Jeff. It took a bit of looking, but here=B9s a reply. If Luther is right, and A. C. Piepkorn (former professor at Concordia, St. Louis) as well, you may select music for 8/15 that alludes to Mary as an enthroned Queen. Piepkorn wrote: "We who have been reading [Luther] at least in English will recall that in the Exposition of the Magnificat he calls 'Queen of Heaven' a true enough name for her, and that elsewhere he acknowledges her as a gracious Lady exalted above all empresses." (Piepkorn, The Church, page 289) The citation for the Magnificat is AE 21:327. The other citation is from W= A 10/3, 325. (Note that Luther at this point, and Piepkorn too, is NOT =B3official doctrine,=B2 but just opinion, albeit pretty highly regarded in both cases.) Alan
(back) Subject: Re: Starting age as organist. From: "Shelley Culver" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:29:41 -0400 "I prolly hold the record at the other end of the scale, starting playing organ in a church at the age of 40..." My grandmother was organist at her church, and she started when she was in her 40's. She was a classical pianist, but the church wanted and needed an organist. I always remember her telling me how she loved playing, but hated learning her pedals. She wasn't paid for the job (and won't some of you just have a heart attack when you read that!), but the church paid for her to drive to the next town and have organ lessons. Shelley >>> firstname.lastname@example.org 07/27/04 10:11 AM >>> I prolly hold the record at the other end of the scale, starting playing organ in a church at the age of 40. I had spent my whole life as a tenor soloist, and just needed a new challenge. Friends were dying of aids, I was going through a bad patch in my teaching career, so it was either take up a huge challenge or go crazy. I ended up loving it and working very hard at it. My earliest performance that anyone cares to remember was at the age of 3 when I got up in my little country church in Rising Sun, Indiana to sing a song. When I started to sing, I forgot the words, so I decided on the fly to substitute a song I knew well, so I sang: " I love little pussy, her fur is so warm, and if I don't hurt her she'll do me no harm. I'll sit by the fire and give her some food, and pussy will love me because I am good." The stunned look on the congregation's faces told me I was onto something. Back there, they probably still remember me as "That pussy boy." Ken =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Kenneth Potter, Substitute Organist 845/358-2528 <email@example.com>, 845/480-1416 cell =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org Administration: mailto:email@example.com List-Subscribe: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> List-Digest: <mailto:email@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: Starting age as organist. From: "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Hello, I received my most important music lesson when I was 14 months old. I was yanked away from the piano, which I had been hammering with my fists like a diapered-carilloneur, given a smack on the hands by my older brother and told to, "Leave it alone." Scarred for life, this is why I now play the organ. Regards, Colin Mitchell UK PS: First church appointment age 14 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo
(back) Subject: Re: music for 8/15: Mary as Queen? From: "Alan Freed" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:28:20 -0400 On 7/27/04 12:25 PM, "Alan Freed" <email@example.com> wrote: > On 7/25/04 5:11 PM, "Jeff White" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: >=20 >> Well, I would, but...I'd need to de-RC it. The Lutheran church doesn't = teach >> that Mary is a queen, or enthroned above (right, Alan?). >>=20 > Jeff. It took a bit of looking, but here=B9s a reply. If Luther is right,= and > A. C. Piepkorn (former professor at Concordia, St. Louis) as well, you ma= y > select music for 8/15 that alludes to Mary as an enthroned Queen. Etc. That was my initial reply to Jeff=B9s query. It=B9s now been enlarged, it=B9s blatantly off topic. So if anybody wants the =B3rest of the story,=B2 let me know, and I=B9ll dash it off to you (or you can get it from Jeff). Alan
(back) Subject: Re: Re young organists From: "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:43:37 -0500 Infant prodigies like Samuel Wesley and William Crotch were of course = giving recitals at the age of four. My favorite story, though, is of Josef Rheinberger, who became organist of his local cathedral at the age of six. At the age of eight he stopped accompanying the mass one Sunday morning in order to inform the bishop who was presiding that he was singing out of = tune .... John Speller
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:53:08 EDT For some reason, when I get to the link, nothing happens. Does this = require some kind of special program to view?
(back) Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: "Alan Freed" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:02:06 -0400 On 7/27/04 10:01 AM, "Shirley" <email@example.com> wrote: > When he has his computer set up again, perhaps he'll resub. > Maybe, eventually. But don't bet on it. He's busy. Alan
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery From: "William Evans" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:29:37 -0700 Try www.pipechat.org/gallery/index.php ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <email@example.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery > For some reason, when I get to the link, nothing happens. Does this require > some kind of special program to view?
(back) Subject: Re: the real world From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:30:33 EDT There is a small church here that has a volunteer preacher who offered me = a salary to play there. I was already in another church, being paid more = than at the last church, so I declined, but I wish, financially, I could have = played at that church for nothing, giving my talent to God, even though I have = had much education and lessons, materials, etc. However, I am older and of retirement age, not beginning a career. Lee
(back) Subject: Re :Your organists From: "Alan Freed" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:33:15 -0400 On 7/26/04 4:05 PM, "Rachmaninoff45@aol.com" <Rachmaninoff45@aol.com> wrote= : > Hey Bernie and All, > =20 > I am 17 yrs.=20 > =20 > Best Regards, > Gregory Hinson >=20 Gregory: May it be assumed that you know that guys your age (and younger and older, from America, Europe, and Asia=8Bat least) attend Organ Historical Society conventions each year? And attend Pipe Organ Encounters, where the= y play and study? If not, inquire on this list. I=B9m no expert on it, but I=B9= m sure that others can steer you in those directions. Alan
(back) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: "Alan Freed" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:34:29 -0400 On 7/26/04 4:09 PM, "Bernadette Wagner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > I'm 14. I knew I was the youngest one!!! That depends. When do you turn 15? Alan
(back) Subject: Re: Starting ages as organist From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:35:35 EDT It is great to see so many young organists on the chat. I didn't know = they were there. I talk off chat to several who are not on the chat, = encouraging them to keep on keeping on and that the Pipe Organ and the music is not = going to die, and what comes around goes around. Bernie asked about the ages, and = I answered her inquiry. Lee
(back) Subject: Re: Organist hymbooks From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:37:17 EDT I can think of the many hymn books I have used as "lifters" on which to = sit when the bench was too low. Lee
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:39:35 EDT In a message dated 07/27/04 4:30:41 PM, email@example.com writes: << www.pipechat.org/gallery/index.php >> Nope. No luck. Nothing.
(back) Subject: Re: Early age organist. From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:43:01 EDT It looks like we (most of us) started with the same literature, except I = had the Harold Gleason method instead of Dickinson (which I kept for = reference). Then the Little Prelued and Fugues and The Liturgical Year. I also had = the 96 Choral Preludes of Dupre at the same time. This was when I was 12. When = I finally made it to college, I had done all that and was able to study to = be a church organist, with repertoire I could use at church. Lee
(back) Subject: RE: felix unsubscribe etc From: "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:46:38 -0500 Yes, yes! He uses his organ-playing skills and know-how to renovate an old organ into a life-saving device, saving the local St. Bernard from an avalanche, allowing the love of his life to tunnel out of the Alps, blow up the enemy train and save the day. He moves the organ materials by a huge skateboard he has designed, and rides the equipment to the site, beating the Swiss hot-dogging champion for a spot in the Olympics. Then he beats his chest and sings . . . "Edelweiss"? James Bond and XXX, watch out. Ernest Hemingway, get out of my way. Glenda Sutton email@example.com -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Colin Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:09 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc Look at the evidence..... Young organist graduates, vanishes from home, turns up in the Bavarian Alps ("The Hell's are alive with the sound of music") and, above all, cuts himself off from all possible contact. I think we have the makings of a mystery novel here!!
(back) Subject: RE: PipeChat OHS Gallery From: "Michael David" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:07:06 -0500 Um, do you have a web browser installed on your computer? Internet = Explorer or Netscape? Opera or Mozilla?? michael -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:40 PM To: email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery In a message dated 07/27/04 4:30:41 PM, email@example.com writes: << www.pipechat.org/gallery/index.php >> Nope. No luck. Nothing.
(back) Subject: How old? From: "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:01:00 -0500 I started piano at 6, and was playing hymns in church at 8, being the evening service and substitute pianist, and as a teenager THE church pianist, then again while in college. I had completed the cycle of instruction to adult studies before I turned 13. I also took a year private instruction while in college - my choice: jazz, Beethoven, Chopin and Debussy. At age 12, I was offered an organ and lessons, but told my father, "Why on earth would anyone want to play an organ when there's a decent piano around?" At that point in my life the only organ I had heard was little old ladies playing tremulant "In the Garden" and the usual 'charge' at the baseball games on TV. I was forced kicking and screaming to start the organ when a pipe organ was built at my church. I didn't hear good classical organ music until that year - I was 30 - and that's when I started playing organ and taking lessons. I started with a mentor and a Gleason and a Dickinson book, eschewing the Little Ps & Fs, and graduated to a teacher 70 miles away. My first piece was a little prelude of Bach's learned at the age of 11, and a toccata by Paradies (the pedals were not installed at that time!). Glenda Sutton email@example.com (who spent her lunch hour practicing instead of eating - St. Anne, move over, your time has come)