PipeChat Digest #4654 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004
 
Re: felix unsubscribe etc
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others?
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
RE: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others?
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others?
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty?	others?
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Starting age as organist
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Starting Age as Organist
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: Tubular Pneumatic Action Restoration
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: felix unsubscribe etc
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: felix unsubscribe etc
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: felix unsubscribe etc
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Starting age as organist.
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: felix unsubscribe etc
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
The Slee Hall Organ?
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Starting age as organist
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others?
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others?
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others?
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: felix unsubscribe etc
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Haas & Haugen
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Convention photos
  by "William Evans" <whevans@softcom.net>
mysterious malady
  by "Raymond H. Clark" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Starting age as organist
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:44:26 EDT   Dear List,   Who really cares if Felix Hell does not subscribe to pipechat? He is a fabulous organist and perhaps he is too busy in his young career to = subscribe to pipechat at this time. In all fairness, there are other very fine = organists who benefit from this great website. Lets change the subject already!! Jeez!!!   Peace,   Daniel  
(back) Subject: Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others? From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:53:27 EDT   Randy,   Have you ever done Dale Wood's arrangement of "Pischa" for a Postlude? It = is very nice, as are many, and you are right, he was a theater organist. Lee  
(back) Subject: RE: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:52:13 -0500   Do you perhaps mean =93Pisgah=94? Just wondering. A friend of mine programmed Dale=92s arrangement of that for a recital, and it was very refreshing.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of OMusic@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:53 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others?   Randy,   Have you ever done Dale Wood's arrangement of "Pischa" for a = Postlude?=A0 It is very nice, as are many, and you are right, he was a theater organist.=A0 Lee      
(back) Subject: Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others? From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:05:37 -0700   If you mean "Pisgah," agreed! A very effective piece.   MAF   ----- Original Message ----- From: OMusic@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? = others?     Randy,   Have you ever done Dale Wood's arrangement of "Pischa" for a Postlude? = It is very nice, as are many, and you are right, he was a theater = organist. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others? From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:15:33 -0400   on 7/27/04 5:53 PM, OMusic@aol.com at OMusic@aol.com wrote:   Randy,   Have you ever done Dale Wood's arrangement of "Pischa" for a Postlude? It is very nice, as are many, and you are right, he was a theater organist. Lee     Yes! Great stuff! Thanks for reminding me. I dug it out and saw that I hadn't done it since 1996. So it's time to play it again. Thanks.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Starting age as organist From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:33:20 -0400   I had to suddenly become an organist the Saturday before Easter when I was 14. The tiny church where I had been pianist decided to get an electronic organ. They managed to save up about $900 with which we purchased a used Conn. It had 2 61 note manuals and a 25 note pedalboard. There were two external speakers, one of which was a leslie.   I stayed up at the church until about 11 p.m. the night before Easter so I could become adept at the pedals for the "alleluia's" that occur in each line of "Christ the Lord is Risen Today". I knew that one should play = the bass part on the pedals, and I was not satisfied with the practice of many untrained organists of simply holding a bass note with the feet while chording with the left hand.   I WANTED to play the organ much much younger. They church where I grew up had a 2 manual Hilgreen-Lane pipe organ. It was padlocked at all times. For the 10 years that I attended that church, there were only three people who ever touched that organ. I was always told that "the organ is an = adult instrument". We had a very accomplished organist who was the wife of our full-time music director. Every choir was directed by him. The only = people who ever accompanied any of the choirs were pupils of either the music director or his wife. I took lessons from a lady down the street who used John Schaum's piano method. BTW, I was starting his "H" book when I quit after 3 1/2 years and I could barely reach an octave. I accompanied the choir of which I was a member once when I was 13. Otherwise, I was = allowed to simply sing in the choir. Music was very territorial at that church.   It has been my fascination with the organ in general that has encouraged = me to observe organists as much as I could. I never took any formal organ lessons. For a couple years, I drooled over a Shober Organ catalog that I had requested thru an ad in Popular Mechanics. My parents would never go for the purchase of an organ.   For my level of training, I think I do quite well on the organ. I do hope to take some organ lessons some day - maybe when my kids are out of = college. While those of you with degrees would probably cringe, I did manage to do = a decent job on the Widor Toccata for the recessional at my sister-in-laws wedding several years ago. I received some second-hand compliments from a few people at this uppity Presbyterian church after the wedding.   It has been my fascination with the pipe organ in particular that has probably been the greatest driving force behind my desire to improve my organ skills. I was fascinated with pipes. As a senior in high school, I met a gentleman in South Atlanta who had a pipe organ in his house. That ignited a passion that has gripped me with various degrees of furvor over the past 30 years. I have considered the purchase of a Rodgers or Allen = on a few occasions, but could never quite go through with it. I am hoping to have my pipe organ playing by Christmas this year.   Upon graduating from high school, I had to make a decision of whether to pursue music or medicine. I had auditioned for a piano scholarship at = Mars Hill College near Ashville, NC. Their pre-med advisor admitted that they did not have a great success rate for graduates being accepted into = medical school. Somehow, I decided to let music be my avocation and went to Emory University to major in Biology in hopes of attending medical school.   The possibility of pursuing music did come back up when I had made a few "B's" in college. I considered transferreing after two years to a school that had a music program with the thought that I would continue my premed curriculum - just in case - but would begin a B.M.E. degree in piano with = a minor in organ. I had requested catalogs from Westminster Choir College = and from the Oberlin Conservatory. There out-of-state schools would be quite expensive, and my mother suggested that I continue in pre-med a little longer. My advisor also suggested that I stick with it and assured me = that one doesn't need a 4.0 to get into medical school.   The short of it is that I stuck with pre-med/biology and took NO college courses in music. I went on to medical school and then to a 3 year residency in Family Practice. Along the way, I have hoped that I would - one day - be able to take some college level courses in music theory, = music history, and appreciation, as well as obtain some college level training = in piano and organ. After 16 years of medical practice about 20 miles from University of Georgia, I have been unable to accomplish that.   Bud, and others, it is this love for music that drives me to offer my talents to my church. I was paid about $50/week at my previous post. I = did not accept pay for several years. This particular church would have very little use for one with a degree in music. The young man I replaced had grown up in the church.   Anyway, I think I've rambled on long enough. I wish I could be as = eloquent in my writing as Malcolm. I guess that's enough for now.   Keith      
(back) Subject: Starting Age as Organist From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:42:58 -0400   Colin said:   I was yanked away from the piano, which I had been hammering with my fists like a diapered-carilloneur, given a smack on the hands by my older brother and told to, "Leave it alone."   That reminds me . . . when my college-bound daughter was about 3 or 4, she was sitting at my piano doing what Colin was doing, playing with hands and fists all over the keyboard. I think she might have been singing a = little, too. It was getting on my nerves a little, so I calmly said, "Sybil, = please play softly". Without missing a beat, she responded curtly, "dis part's 'pose to be loud!" I guess I got told.   Keith      
(back) Subject: Re: Tubular Pneumatic Action Restoration From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:55:56 EDT   If it was a fine action to begin with, it can be restored to a very responsive and reliable action. Most tubular pneumatic actions used lead = alloy tubing, which is still available, and if properly installed and sealed, = will do just fine. Lead alloy tubes have always been the standard for tubular = pneumatic actions as well as pneumatic offset actions in electropneumatic actions = such as Skinner, Moller, Casavant, and others. Such tubing is available through pipe organ building supply houses, = and a good organbuilder or organ conservator will know how to install it = properly. Organic rubber materials are subject to hardening and/or degredation, and = are not recommended for replacement work.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:12:37 -0400   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > << www.pipechat.org/gallery/index.php >> > > Nope. No luck. Nothing.   you should be able to go here: http://www.pipechat.org/gallery/ then click "slideshow" near the top right corner   if your browser can't use javascript or javascript is turned off it may not work   you may find this link works better: http://www.pipechat.org/gallery/OHS2004People/    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat OHS Gallery From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:25:00 -0500   At 4:39 PM -0400 7/27/04, TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 07/27/04 4:30:41 PM, whevans@softcom.net writes: > ><< www.pipechat.org/gallery/index.php >> > >Nope. No luck. Nothing.   I have a feeling that part of the problem is this virus that is running around. Although the number of emails that are hitting the servers here have subsided somewhat from yesterday there is still lots of emails being sent and in many cases rejected by the filters on the mail server. I have a feeling that some of the problems with getting to the PipeChat Gallery might be with the "pipe" coming into here being flooded with all of this crap from the virus.   Keep trying - hopefully, once some more of this virus subsides it will be easier to get to the web site.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:29:12 -0400   Dear Daniel, I care, as obviously do others who have participated in the thread. Our abandonment by any expert or noted musician serves only to lessen the quality of information available to those of us who monitor this forum for the educational value and for a glimpse into the lives of those who are truly successful in and supportive of the tradition of the pipe organ. I agree with you that there are many fine musicians we may learn from in the organ community, but I frankly don't find them participating in this forum to any large degree. To question the reasons for their abandonment or lack of participation here is entirely reasonable. Perhaps we have created an environment that is less than welcoming as evidenced by a list member who suggests "WHO CARES". Mike Gettelman   Icedad@aol.com wrote:   > Dear List, Who really cares if Felix Hell does not > subscribe to pipechat? He is a fabulous organist and > perhaps he is too busy in his young career to > subscribe to pipechat at this time. In all fairness, > there are other very fine organists who benefit from > this great website. Lets change the subject already!! > Jeez!!! Peace, Daniel    
(back) Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:06:02 -0400     What, in Gods Name is wrong with you people. Is your desire to post on something you know nothing about so strong that you ignore the posts of others, Myself and of Hans Hell in particular? FELIX IS ON VACATION CLIMBING THE ALPS, not that it is anyone's business.   Pay attention and end this nonsense.     > >    
(back) Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:15:22 -0500   Mike I see your point, but I disagree. There are a good many very fine organists and composers who do indeed participate on the List. Let's see .... Monty, Dale, John Foss, Bud Clark, Jon Orwig .... to many to list really. That's the remarkable thing about PipeChat. There are = enthusiasts, amatuer organists, professional Church Musicians, Concert Artists, Composers, Organ Builders, Technicians and the like from all over the = world here. True, sometimes there is a bit of "lurking", but ask a performance question and watch how fast your mail box will fill with answers ...   As for Felix Hell, well, he just finished a grueling Degree Program at a very young age, and maintains a very full Concert schedule. Everyone = needs a vacation now and again! I wish him the very best as he begins the next phase in what is sure to be a stellar career.   Cheers,   Tim        
(back) Subject: Re: Starting age as organist. From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:02:52 -0400   > I prolly hold the record at the other end of the scale, starting > playing organ in a church at the age of 40.   Er, check my earlier post again. :) I got you by a few.   Cheers, TommyLee    
(back) Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:36:03 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc     > > What, in Gods Name is wrong with you people. Is your desire to post on > something you know nothing about so strong that you ignore the posts of > others, Myself and of Hans Hell in particular? FELIX IS ON VACATION > CLIMBING THE ALPS, not that it is anyone's business. > > Pay attention and end this nonsense.   It's no good appealing to reason on this kind of issue. Every year = everyone in our church gets upset because a particular family who are one of the major contributors are absent for Sundays on end. Are they mad at us? Are they deserting us? No. They are not. They have a summer house and go it every summer. But being told that doesn't stop everyone from speculating = on the subject. This is, alas, human nature.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: The Slee Hall Organ? From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:55:44 -0700 (PDT)   I have been deleting messages left and darned right, and I probably may = have missed anything said about the Slee Hall Fisk and SUNY-BUFF How was that program and what did David play?     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
(back) Subject: Re: Starting age as organist From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:48:10 EDT   Keith, Your writing is quite eloquent. Malcomn and Glenda are 2 of a kind and it =   would take someone with a PHD in Journalism to try to match them. = However, I found myself wanting to finish your post without getting bored. It was = very enjoyable. Luckily, the three manual Hill Green and Lane & Co. at the church I = attended was welcome to students and I even had a key to the side door of the = church to be able to practice any time I wanted. For a short time I was assistant organist there, but went on to a full time position somewhere else. My = many years of music would fill several pages and I won't bore everyone with the = details, as I have almost told my life history, anyway. Now, as to marriages, I probably have everyone beat, but that is off-subject, except one was a preacher/singer (he died in an asthma attack). Two others died of acute = alcoholism and I won't go on (not much more), but I am so very happy married to another = Keith, who is also an organist, pianist and technician. I am even studying piano =   tuning. Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others? From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:49:24 EDT   I'm using it again soon, too. (Dale Wood's arrangement) Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others? From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:50:10 EDT   (Poor spelling, sorry) Lee  
(back) Subject: Re: RESOURCES for Baptist/evangelical "stuff" ... Lee? Monty? others? From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:51:39 EDT   That is the one. I was not watching the keys when typing, and with trifocals, things get by me. Sorry, Lee -- But it was worth it to = introduce this piece to those who don't know it.  
(back) Subject: Re: felix unsubscribe etc From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:00:00 -0600   Go get 'em, Glenda. Love it!!! F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Haas & Haugen From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:19:47 -0500   I know they're not everybody's cup of tea, but here is a link to an = article on David Haas and Marty Haugen, two of the most used composers in American Roman Catholic Churches: http://www.startribune.com/stories/332/4894599.html Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Convention photos From: "William Evans" <whevans@softcom.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:50:49 -0700   Hi David Thanks so much for the gallery of the list and convention members. I have not been able to attend a convention since Denver due to a health problem. It really tears me up by missing the conventions. I have such wonderful memories of the ones I attended, especially Louisville and Portland. A hearty thanks to you and Tim for the list. William H.Evans = (Bill) Elk Grove, Ca.    
(back) Subject: mysterious malady From: "Raymond H. Clark" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:22:21 -0700   I was hospitalized tonight with an exceeding rare disease: "Drive-By Pneumonia" ... I was in at 1800, out at 2400; two thousand dollars later, after 5 3/4 hours of waiting, I received 15 minutes of IV antibiotics.   Fortunately County Medical will pay for it.   And I'm still just as sick as when I went IN.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: RE: Starting age as organist From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:21:38 +0100   I first played for a service when I was about 12. My first organ appointment was when I was 14. The way that "appointment" happened was strange. My father had a friend who knew I was learning the organ. He = asked if I would like "to go and try the organ" at his church. I went to the church just before the Sunday evening service, around 6.00 and met the incumbent organist. He said, "have a play before the service". At 6.30 a choir of 35 adults walked in - the organist was nowhere to be seen! I = played for the service. I never did see that organist again! I played there for = 4 years until I moved away at the age of 18!!   =20   Will Light Coventry UK