PipeChat Digest #4528 - Tuesday, June 1, 2004
 
Re: Musical demise in Baltimore
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: A short elaboration.
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Musical demise in Baltimore
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
St. Michael's in Baltimore
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
South Floria Organ Inquiry (X-Posted)
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net>
Re: South Floria Organ Inquiry (X-Posted)
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: South Floria Organ Inquiry (X-Posted)
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net>
Re: Los Angeles Convention -- ROLL CALL
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
My Pastor's Anniversary
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Does anyone know
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: Does anyone know
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Musical demise in Baltimore From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 06:18:00 -0600   Hello:   How would we go about finding out what this situation really means? Who would we contact? I am curious.   F. Richard Burt     ..   > To all those out there who are aquatinted with the wonderful music > and organ at St. Michael & All Angels Episcopal Church. . . * * *   > I understood that "gospel" music will be the norm.      
(back) Subject: Re: A short elaboration. From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 07:27:27 EDT     -------------------------------1086002847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   >May I add just a short bit of info too: Yes, I did voice the Rodgers = organ as >Monty stated, but I did a quick "rough voicing" of the organ in the = dealer's >showroom, responding to the acoustic and harmonic properties of the showroom. >I did not voice the Rodgers organ once it was temporarily installed in = the >sanctuary (and I don't know if anyone actually did any voicing for Monty = in the >sanctuary there.) >Happy Memorial Day to everyone. > >Best regards, >Dan Miller   We were rented the organ that Dan had voiced and I was given the option of =   leaving the voicing as is (since I was in the showroom when Dan voiced the =   organ) or I could have the tech revoice the organ to my liking. It really = didn't need any revoicing, other than only needing to have the whole volume of = the organ needing to be boosted. While our santcuary is large, the acoustics = are not good. (Baptist church, circa. early 1970's--need I say more?) While not = as bad as it could be, it's not as good as it could be, either. It doesn't = have the type of negative acoustics that have sucked up the sound before the = chord is released, but untreated wood ceilings and porous brick walls, as well = as pew cushions and aisle runners do their part to soak up a lot of sound. = At least the choir area and the area underneath the pews are hardwood.   Anyway, back on topic, the organ balances were fine with what Dan did in = the showroom. Our voicing styles are similar, so I wouldn't have done = anything different. Like I have said before, it wasn't anything wrong with the = organ, the organ sounded pretty decent. Moving the speakers around from how the dealer had them installed helped, because they had placed them in front of = the platform, so the choir couldn't hear the organ one bit and the = congregation was getting the organ right in their face--direct. Not a pretty sound. We experimented with some different placements and found some better = placements where the choir could hear and there was a better wash of sound across the front of = the church. It really sounded like the organ was coming from where our pipes are. Members still could tell that it wasn't the pipe organ, though. I'm = still amazed that they knew the difference between pipes and digital.   Monty Bennett   -------------------------------1086002847 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><HEAD> <META charset=3D3DUS-ASCII http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type = content=3D3D"text/html; cha=3D rset=3D3DUS-ASCII"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #fffff=3D f"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman">&gt;May I add just a short bit of = info t=3D oo: Yes, I did voice the Rodgers organ as <BR>&gt;Monty stated, but I did = a=3D20=3D quick "rough voicing" of the organ in the dealer's <BR>&gt;showroom, = respond=3D ing to the acoustic and harmonic properties of the showroom.&nbsp; = <BR>&gt;I=3D did not voice the Rodgers organ once it was temporarily installed in the = <B=3D R>&gt;sanctuary (and I don't know if anyone actually did any voicing for = Mon=3D ty in the <BR>&gt;sanctuary there.)<BR>&gt;Happy Memorial Day to = everyone.<B=3D R>&gt;<BR>&gt;Best regards,<BR>&gt;Dan Miller<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG>We were rented the organ = that Da=3D n had voiced and I was given the option of leaving the voicing as is = (since=3D20=3D I was in the showroom when Dan voiced the organ) or I could have the tech = re=3D voice the organ to my liking.&nbsp; It really didn't need any revoicing, = oth=3D er than only needing to have the whole volume of the organ needing to be = boo=3D sted.&nbsp; While our santcuary is large, the acoustics are not = good.&nbsp;&=3D nbsp;(Baptist&nbsp;church, circa. early 1970's--need I say more?)&nbsp; = Whil=3D e not as bad as&nbsp;it could be, it's not as good as it could be, = either.&n=3D bsp; It doesn't have&nbsp;the type of negative acoustics that have sucked = up=3D the sound before the chord is released, but untreated wood ceilings and = por=3D ous brick walls, as well as pew cushions and aisle runners do their part = to=3D20=3D soak up a lot of sound.&nbsp; At least the choir area and the area = underneat=3D h the pews are hardwood.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG>Anyway, back on topic, the = organ=3D balances were fine with what Dan did in the showroom.&nbsp; Our voicing = sty=3D les are similar, so I wouldn't have done anything different.&nbsp; Like I = ha=3D ve said before, it wasn't anything wrong with the organ,&nbsp; the organ = sou=3D nded pretty decent.&nbsp; Moving the speakers around from how the dealer = had=3D them installed helped, because they had placed them in front of the = platfor=3D m, so the choir couldn't hear the organ one bit and the congregation was = get=3D ting the organ right in their face--direct.&nbsp; Not a pretty = sound.&nbsp;=3D20=3D We experimented with some different placements and found some better = placeme=3D nts where the choir could hear and there was a better wash of sound across = t=3D he front of the church.&nbsp; It really sounded like the organ was coming = fr=3D om where our pipes are.&nbsp; Members still could tell that it wasn't the = pi=3D pe organ, though.&nbsp; I'm still amazed that they knew the difference = betwe=3D en pipes and digital.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG>Monty = Bennett</STRONG></DIV></FO=3D NT></BODY></HTML>   -------------------------------1086002847--  
(back) Subject: Re: Musical demise in Baltimore From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 06:51:12 -0700   I posted an assessment from another Baltimore Anglican organist ...     Bud   F. Richard Burt wrote: > Hello: > > How would we go about finding out what this situation really > means? Who would we contact? I am curious. > > F. Richard Burt > > > . > > >>To all those out there who are aquatinted with the wonderful > > music > >>and organ at St. Michael & All Angels Episcopal Church. . . * * > > * > > >>I understood that "gospel" music will be the norm. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: St. Michael's in Baltimore From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 07:10:26 -0700   There are some erroneous assumptions in some of the replies.   First, most African-American Anglicans are anglo-catholics; second, a good number of them are from the Caribbean; third, they have no CONNECTION with American "gospel" music; fourth, if gospel music IS their principal interest, there are thousands of African-American churches where it can be had.   I was organist in a large African-American Anglican church (Christ the Good Shepherd in Los Angeles) before I went to St. Matthew's in Newport Beach. The music was traditional ANGLICAN music; the church was FULL; it was in a typical urban ghetto.   Gimmicks are no substitute for PREACHING the Gospel. If one reads the history of the Oxford Movement, it went from the universities to the slums of London. And it went with bell, book, and candle (AND music).   Being from the Deep South, I was never scandalized at mixing in the occasional gospel hymn in the midst of Solemn High Mass, but it never occurred to anyone to demolish the entire tradition for the sake of a passing fad.   I saw one Anglican church in Cincinnati (by coincidence, also St. Michael's) run into the ground by that kind of thinking. I was there on Candlemas 1962; the church was full, there were about 40 singers in the choir, all was in pontifical order. When I moved to Cincinnati in 1969 to finish my bachelor's degree and went BACK to St. Michael's, the altar was pulled away from the exquisite carved reredos, the choir was gone, and the church was virtually empty. The rector had demolished the liturgy and the music for the sake of "relevance." And yes, it was a ghetto church. But the African-Americans had all decamped for the other anglo-catholic church in town, where they HADN'T messed with the liturgy and music.   I took my choir from Old St. Mary's down there when our schedule permitted; we sang Palestrina and Mozart masses; on those occasions the church was full again, though we couldn't do much about the gypsy picnic in the sanctuary (with apologies to gypsies everywhere). Eventually that rector retired, and the place has recovered its equilibrium, but it took more than twenty years for that to happen.   The received Anglican liturgical and musical tradition is what it is; it is more than five hundred years old (older than the Tridentine Mass, in point of fact); boring white-bread suburban Rite II liturgies with Powell and Proux for the music do it no service; neither do aberrations like what's happening at St. Michael's in Baltimore.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: South Floria Organ Inquiry (X-Posted) From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:23:11 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve rgunther@cantv.net   Taking advantage of my oncoming "Shuffling off to Buffalo" I plan to stay some weeks in South Florida's Far South.   Can somebody please inform me about Pipe Organs (including Theatre = Organs), Organists (Church - Concert - Theatre), Pipe Organ building / servicing firms, Representatives, AGO Chapter, Academia/Instruction etc. in the *Monroe - Miami-Dade - Broward* counties [from Key West to Palm Beach] = area?   Please contact me privatedly, and feel free to forward this to any = non-list member who could know about the particular.   Thanks in advance! Andres      
(back) Subject: Re: South Floria Organ Inquiry (X-Posted) From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 07:55:50 -0700   Bethesda-by-the-Sea Church (Episcopal) in Palm Beach has a HUGE new Austin. Don't know how good it is, but the spectacular church is worth seeing. It was built during the Florida real estate boom in the 1920s, and no expense was spared. The original E.M. Skinner organ had one side that opened into the gardens, with a separate two-manual console that could be rolled outdoors for garden weddings (!). That organ went to a church somewhere in the Caribbean; then there was a big Schlicker which evidently wasn't very satisfying. It only lasted for about 20 years before they bought the Austin.   Thomas Pierce, organ-builder in West Palm Beach, has a 3m Aeolian-Skinner in his music room from a Methodist church in Washington DC where Virgil Fox used to practice when he was in the Army (!).   Trinity Episcopal Cathedral in Miami has a reworked E.M. Skinner ... that's a nice building too; there's a big derelict Midmer-Losh in the Roman Catholic Church of the Gesu downtown, but I think the console's gone now.   South Florida is mostly Schantz and Moller territory; most of the boom-time Skinners are gone, or rebuilt beyond recognition; check out the Flagler Mansion online ... I forget what the organ is. There was a Welte on the market recently that was pulled out of another mansion, but I forget where it went (if anywhere).   It seems to me there's a small 19th century tracker in one of the Episcopal churches in Key West, but I can't remember which one.   I'm FROM Florida, but I haven't been back since the 1960s (grin).   Cheers,   Bud Clark San Diego CA USA   Andr=E9s G=FCnther wrote:   > Andres Gunther > agun@telcel.net.ve > rgunther@cantv.net > > Taking advantage of my oncoming "Shuffling off to Buffalo" I plan to = stay > some weeks in South Florida's Far South. > > Can somebody please inform me about Pipe Organs (including Theatre = Organs), > Organists (Church - Concert - Theatre), Pipe Organ building / servicing > firms, Representatives, AGO Chapter, Academia/Instruction etc. in the > *Monroe - Miami-Dade - Broward* counties [from Key West to Palm Beach] = area? > > Please contact me privatedly, and feel free to forward this to any = non-list > member who could know about the particular. > > Thanks in advance! > Andres > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: RE: South Floria Organ Inquiry (X-Posted) From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 12:27:46 -0400   Andres Gunther rgunther@cantv.net   Thanks Bud for this extensive info. For all folks "out there" please keep = on sending me all data that's available, including possible contacts. Pipe Organs in S-FL seem to be a well kept secret <G> . No puns intended!   Andres      
(back) Subject: Re: Los Angeles Convention -- ROLL CALL From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 12:54:33 -0500   Ironically, I won't be able to be there.   My Los Angeles-based son, who I would normally stay with, is being married this summer. At convention time. In my church. In Winnipeg.   I'll be thinking about you.   Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: My Pastor's Anniversary From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 18:05:00 -0500   Hello,   Thanks to those who helped me find the words to "Why Do We Tip Our Hats to a Priest." We surprised Father by singing it after Communion. The older parishoners who knew it sang along and then left Mass to tell him how they had sung it many years ago whenever the priest came to visit the parish school. I could tell that he really enjoyed learning that bit of parish trivia and being remembered on his anniversary weekend.   Alicia      
(back) Subject: Does anyone know From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:44:42 -0700 (PDT)   --0-1341289782-1086061482=3D:48212 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii       Does anyone know where one finds those organ posters of the historic = organs in Europe? Ive been looking online at various places and haven't = had any luck.     Any luck would be great       Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.scottmontgomerymusic.net --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-1341289782-1086061482=3D:48212 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <P>Does anyone know where one finds those organ posters of the historic = organs in Europe?&nbsp; Ive been looking online at various places and = haven't had any luck.</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Any luck would be great</P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>Scott = Montgomery<br>619 W Church St<br>Champaign, IL = 61820<br>217-390-0158<br>www.scottmontgomerymusic.net<p> <hr size=3D1><font face=3Darial size=3D-1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>Friends. = Fun. <a href=3D"http://messenger.yahoo.com/">Try the all-new Yahoo! = Messenger</a> --0-1341289782-1086061482=3D:48212--  
(back) Subject: Re: Does anyone know From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 23:20:09 -0500   Can't help you with posters, but if you would like pictures start with: http://www.magicmarbella.com/marbella/organo/organo.htm   There are photos by Michael Reckling who has taken photos of organs all over Spain. Follow the links for Pilar Cabrera's site and you will find lots of photos of Spanish organs. There are two organ builders in Spain = who also have site...Grenzing organbuilder and Blancafort organbuilder.   Jon   At 10:44 PM 5/31/04, you wrote:     >Does anyone know where one finds those organ posters of the historic >organs in Europe? Ive been looking online at various places and haven't >had any luck. > > > >Any luck would be great > > > >Scott Montgomery >619 W Church St >Champaign, IL 61820 >217-390-0158 >www.scottmontgomerymusic.net > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Friends. Fun. <http://messenger.yahoo.com/>Try the all-new Yahoo! = Messenger