PipeChat Digest #4548 - Tuesday, June 8, 2004
 
Re: Cocktails and dance mixes..with Northwestern Music Students (sorta on
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Organ at Whittier College
  by "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net>
Evangelical Organists
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Re: digital "action"
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
The Role Of Old Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs built Looooooooong Ago
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: digital "action"
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: digital "action"
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: digital "action"   AN ADDENDUM
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Butz-Verlag-Bonn contact info sought [x-posted]
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Re: The Role Of Old Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs built Looooooooong Ag
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Butz-Verlag-Bonn contact info sought [x-posted]
  by <giwro@adelphia.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Cocktails and dance mixes..with Northwestern Music Students (sorta on topic) From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:24:25 -0700 (PDT)   --0-431548837-1086715465=3D:54202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii   If your looking for a school in Illinois, I must recommend the University = of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. Cheap tuition compared to Northwestern, = and in my opinion, and excellent organ professor, Dana Robinson. I have = been studying with him for 4 years and can not begin to tell you all the = great things that have happened to my playing. Just my thoughts Scott Montgomery www.scottmontgomeymusic.net     noel jones <gedeckt@usit.net> wrote: My friend, Desiree's post (how does one type that? Desiree''s?) really brings up the issue that we tend to ignore.   ROI   Return On Investment   I had the opportunity to do some accompanying for a ballet company at one time and asked a good friend, Vance George, for advice. He responded that one has to consider two things...are you going to make money from it or are you going to learn from it...otherwise, why do it?   If a music department is not "paying it's way", should it exist?   Explain how Curtiss and Juilliard exist with their massive scholarship programs. Someone with a good business head created those schools.   noel jones     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-431548837-1086715465=3D:54202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <DIV>If your looking for a school in Illinois, I must recommend the = University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign.&nbsp; Cheap tuition compared = to Northwestern, and in my opinion, and excellent organ professor, Dana = Robinson.&nbsp; I have been studying with him for 4 years and can not = begin to tell you all the great things that have happened to my = playing.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Just my thoughts</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Scott Montgomery</DIV> <DIV><A = href=3D"http://www.scottmontgomeymusic.net">www.scottmontgomeymusic.net</A>= </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>noel jones &lt;gedeckt@usit.net&gt;</I></B> = wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">My friend, Desiree's post (how does one = type that? Desiree''s?) really <BR>brings up the issue that we tend to = ignore.<BR><BR>ROI<BR><BR>Return On Investment<BR><BR>I had the = opportunity to do some accompanying for a ballet company at <BR>one time = and asked a good friend, Vance George, for advice. He <BR>responded that = one has to consider two things...are you going to make <BR>money from it = or are you going to learn from it...otherwise, why do it?<BR><BR>If a = music department is not "paying it's way", should it exist?<BR><BR>Explain = how Curtiss and Juilliard exist with their massive scholarship = <BR>programs. Someone with a good business head created those = schools.<BR><BR>noel jones<BR><BR><BR>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR>PipeChat: = A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics<BR>HOMEPAGE = : http://www.pipechat.org<BR>List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: = mailto:requests@pipechat.org<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p> <hr size=3D1><font face=3Darial size=3D-1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>Friends. = Fun. <a href=3D"http://messenger.yahoo.com/">Try the all-new Yahoo! = Messenger</a> --0-431548837-1086715465=3D:54202--  
(back) Subject: Organ at Whittier College From: "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:27:07 -0700   Hi List members,   What instrument(s) is(are) at Whittier College?   Mark S. Towne Sub Dean, Southern Nevada Chapter, AGO & Conclave Coordinator, Region IX 2006 Mid-Winter Conclave  
(back) Subject: Evangelical Organists From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:47:30 -0700   I'm surprised no one has mentioned Dan Miller and Monty Bennett, both of whom can more than "hold their own" with evangelical repertoire. Dan has composed a wonderful arrangement of "Great is Thy Faithfulness," one of my favorite hymns, and I've heard him play it several times. And of course Monty is currently playing for a large Baptist church in North Carolina where the music doings run the gamut up to and including contemporary gospel.   ~ C      
(back) Subject: Re: digital "action" From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:05:21 -0400     On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:03:44 -0700 "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> writes: > Because they're SLIDER chests and can be used with TRACKER *or* > electric > action (grin).   Bud:   I suppose you could hook up trackers to the primaries on a Blackinton chest. A renewal of the tracker-pneumatic action that Roosevelt was so fond of.   Otherwise, Blackinton chests have pneumatic pallets and therefore you cannot have a direct connection between key and pallet.   Jim  
(back) Subject: The Role Of Old Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs built Looooooooong Ago From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:08:17 -0700 (PDT)   --0-734493942-1086718097=3D:10874 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii   Hi All, I once owned a brownstone built in 1911. A feature of brownstone = construction was that there were no load bearing walls. VERY Large oak = flooring timbers were placed widthwise (20 ' for my house) on "shelves" of = brick. Everything rested upon these ............ The original cabinets likewise were made of oak. When I did some repair work, the carpenter discovered his nails could not = drive through the oak. His nails were made for pine, not seasoned = hardwood. The point I am trying to make is that we may NEVER see new pipe organs = that last like the examples we read about here. The wood available today = simply is not the same as the wood from several hundred year old oak = trees. Trees that grew before the age of air and water pollution. Those = pipe organs lasted because of simplicity of design PLUS the integrity of = old growth hard wood. Same for the leather .............. If I am not mistaken ........ I noticed plywood chests being used for the = new Brick Church organ ..........from the website pictures. I do not = believe plywood is being used as a cost saving feature ...... but that it = is the best that is available to the builder. Canada has a lot of old = growth forests but I do not believe they are of hardwoods. I'm afraid the old pipe organs of the past with their wonderful = "lifespans" are really a dead "breed". Matt   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-734493942-1086718097=3D:10874 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <DIV>Hi All,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I once owned a brownstone built in 1911.&nbsp; A feature of = brownstone construction was that there were no load bearing walls.&nbsp; = VERY&nbsp;Large oak flooring timbers were placed widthwise (20 ' for my = house) on "shelves" of brick.&nbsp; Everything rested upon these = ............</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The original cabinets likewise were made of oak.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>When I did some repair work, the carpenter discovered his nails could = not drive through the oak.&nbsp; His nails were made for pine, not = seasoned hardwood.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The point I am trying to make is that we may NEVER see new pipe = organs that last like the examples we read about here. The wood available = today simply is not the same as the wood from&nbsp; several hundred year = old oak trees.&nbsp; Trees that grew before the age of air and water = pollution. Those pipe organs lasted because of simplicity of design PLUS = the integrity of old growth hard wood. Same for the leather .............. = </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>If I am not mistaken ........ I noticed plywood chests being used for = the new Brick Church organ ..........from the website pictures. I do not = believe plywood&nbsp; is being used as a cost saving feature ...... but = that it is the best that is available to the builder. Canada has a lot of = old growth forests but I do not believe they are of hardwoods.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I'm afraid the old pipe organs of the past with their wonderful = "lifespans" are really a dead "breed".&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Matt</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><p> <hr size=3D1><font face=3Darial size=3D-1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>Friends. = Fun. <a href=3D"http://messenger.yahoo.com/">Try the all-new Yahoo! = Messenger</a> --0-734493942-1086718097=3D:10874--  
(back) Subject: Re: digital "action" From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:37 -0400       John:   I have always been told that Backinton chests were so called because of the pallet. In his article for ISO there is no mention of a different slider treatment.     Jim     On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:14:02 -0500 "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> writes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Cc: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: digital "action" > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:32:58 -0500 "John L. Speller" > > <jlspeller@swbell.net> writes: > > > > > Here the solution is Blackinton style chests > > > > > > John: > > > > Why are you mentioning Blackinton chests in a thread about > mechanical > > action? > > Because, being slider chests, they are equally suitable for tracker > or > electric action organs. Lyle Blackinton has himself built both > tracker and > electro-pneumatic organs using them. For trackers a traditional > pallet is > used in the chest, while for electro-pneumatic actions an > electro-pneumatic > pallet is used. Quimby Pipe Organs also use the latter but have not > built > any tracker organs. These pneumatic pallets are an excellent > design, but > the more important feature of the chests is the fact that it > provides a way > of avoiding slider seals, and creating a very stable way to fit the > sliders > without the need for periodical refitting. > > John Speller > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: digital "action" From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:17:33 -0700   John Speller already explained that ... with Lyle's chests, you can have an electro-pneumatic pulldown OR a mechanical pulldown.   Cheers,   Bud   Jim McFarland wrote:   > On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:03:44 -0700 "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma > Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> writes: > >>Because they're SLIDER chests and can be used with TRACKER *or* >>electric >>action (grin). > > > Bud: > > I suppose you could hook up trackers to the primaries on a Blackinton > chest. A renewal of the tracker-pneumatic action that Roosevelt was so > fond of. > > Otherwise, Blackinton chests have pneumatic pallets and therefore you > cannot have a direct connection between key and pallet. > > Jim > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: digital "action" AN ADDENDUM From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:20:37 -0400   AN ADDENDUM     On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:37 -0400 Jim McFarland <mcfarland6@juno.com> writes: > > > John: > > I have always been told that Blackinton chests were so called because > of > the pallet. > In his article for ISO there is no mention of a different slider > treatment.     I just looked up his article in AIO, and there is no mention at all of different slider treatment. It is very traditional, irrigation and all.   So I reiterate, a Blackinton Chest is so called because of the pneumatic.     Jim  
(back) Subject: Butz-Verlag-Bonn contact info sought [x-posted] From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:25:27 -0700   Would anyone happen to have contact information for the German music publisher Butz-Verlag-Bonn?   I have "Googled" the WWW and haven't come up with anything at all, so I assume they do not have a web site. If they do, it's certainly well hidden!   Much obliged,   ~ C      
(back) Subject: Re: The Role Of Old Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs built Looooooooong Ago From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:34:52 -0700   Not necessarily. At least one organ-builder salvaged 19th century timber from a building he was renovating for a new shop.   Others (and this isn't limited to organ-builders) scour the countryside for 19th century barns, etc., buy them up, and dismantle them for their lumber.   But you're right ... wood like that is hard to come by. If you go up into the attic of my former church, Old St. Mary's in Cincinnati (built 1841), you will find that the entire flat ceiling of the nave is HUNG from MASSIVE beams that were cut from trees in the forest that once surrounded the church; the steeple is built around an enormous tree-trunk that still has the BARK on it (grin).   SURELY there's a way to obtain South American hardwoods WITHOUT damaging the rain-forests ... perhaps a cooperative tree-farm.   But those organs AREN'T a dead breed, Matt ... you MAKE my point: RECYCLE, RECYCLE, RECYCLE. If the French can do it with their Cavaille-Colls, and the British with their Willises and Hills, why CAN'T we do it with our Hooks, Johnsons, etc.?   One of the reasons John Brombaugh MOVED his shop to the Great Northwet was to be closer to a supply of old-growth timber.   What's NEEDED is a whole new ATTITUDE (mostly on the part of organists) about recycled organs and parts. More than once I have heard an organ committee (egged on by their organist) say that "they didn't want somebody else's discard."   That's just plain silly. You'd be HARD-pressed to build an organ today with as fine materials, pipes, and voicing as that Roosevelt Sebastian Gluck rescued recently. And that's just ONE example. Thank GOODNESS for old downtown RC churches and redundant Christian Science churches ... they will keep us in organs that can be recycled for generations to come.   Cheers,   Bud     Mattcinnj wrote:   > Hi All, > > I once owned a brownstone built in 1911. A feature of brownstone > construction was that there were no load bearing walls. VERY Large oak > flooring timbers were placed widthwise (20 ' for my house) on "shelves" > of brick. Everything rested upon these ............ > > The original cabinets likewise were made of oak. > > When I did some repair work, the carpenter discovered his nails could > not drive through the oak. His nails were made for pine, not seasoned > hardwood. > > The point I am trying to make is that we may NEVER see new pipe organs > that last like the examples we read about here. The wood available today =   > simply is not the same as the wood from several hundred year old oak > trees. Trees that grew before the age of air and water pollution. Those =   > pipe organs lasted because of simplicity of design PLUS the integrity of =   > old growth hard wood. Same for the leather .............. > > If I am not mistaken ........ I noticed plywood chests being used for > the new Brick Church organ ..........from the website pictures. I do not =   > believe plywood is being used as a cost saving feature ...... but that > it is the best that is available to the builder. Canada has a lot of old =   > growth forests but I do not believe they are of hardwoods. > > I'm afraid the old pipe organs of the past with their wonderful > "lifespans" are really a dead "breed". > > Matt > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > <http://messenger.yahoo.com/>      
(back) Subject: Re: Butz-Verlag-Bonn contact info sought [x-posted] From: <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:38:44 -0700   ....always try it without the hyphen   one click in Google searching under butz verlag gave me this;   http://www.butz-verlag.de/   cheers,   jonathan > From: Charlie Lester <crlester@137.com> > Date: 2004/06/08 Tue AM 11:25:27 PDT > To: Pipe Organs & Related Topics <piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu>, = PipeChat > <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Butz-Verlag-Bonn contact info sought [x-posted] > > Would anyone happen to have contact information for the > German music publisher Butz-Verlag-Bonn? > > I have "Googled" the WWW and haven't come up with anything > at all, so I assume they do not have a web site. If they do, > it's certainly well hidden! > > Much obliged, > > ~ > C > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >