PipeChat Digest #4551 - Wednesday, June 9, 2004
 
Re: foam speakers
  by "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es>
Re: Tower Chimes
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
C-C and SCHNITGER in South America
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
RE: foam speakers
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net>
Wood, was: The Role Of Old Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net>
small pipe organs
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: The Role Of Old Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs built Looooooooong Ag
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: foam speakers
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: foam speaker
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: foam speakers From: "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:21:32 +0200   My addmittedly mid-fi Sony speakers are disintegrating after 10 years or so. Possibly the climate here (100% humidity, sub-zero temperatures in winter, 30% humidity, over 40 deg C in summer) may be responsible.   I seem to remember reading about titanium coned speakers being all the rage, years ago. Does anyone know about these?   Peter.   PS: The sub-zero temperatures are outside, of course, unless I'm away from home for a while and forget to leave the heating on...  
(back) Subject: Re: Tower Chimes From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:28:15 EDT     -------------------------------1086784095 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 6/9/2004 12:13:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, rcolev@woh.rr.com writes: Steven Skinner wrote: >as the 50's bong-atrons have been dead for decades.   I give. What is a "bong-atron"?   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw, Springfield, Ohio, USA I apply that name to our Schulmerich carrillon, which (used to) amplify = the sound of struck bars to speakers.       Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA   -------------------------------1086784095 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><HEAD> <META charset=3D3DUS-ASCII http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type = content=3D3D"text/html; cha=3D rset=3D3DUS-ASCII"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #fffff=3D f"> <DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 6/9/2004 12:13:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, = rcolev@w=3D oh.rr.com writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = blue=3D20=3D 2px solid"><FONT face=3D3DArial>Steven Skinner wrote:<BR>&gt;as the 50's = bong-=3D atrons have been dead for decades.<BR><BR>I give. What is a = "bong-atron"?<BR=3D ><BR>Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw, Springfield, Ohio, = USA</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></=3D DIV> <DIV>I apply that name to our Schulmerich carrillon, which (used to) = amplify=3D the sound of struck bars to speakers.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = PTSIZE=3D3D"10"=3D >Steven Skinner<BR>Minister of Music<BR>First Presbyterian Church of the = Cov=3D enant<BR>Erie, PA</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   -------------------------------1086784095--  
(back) Subject: C-C and SCHNITGER in South America From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:53:52 -0400   Dear Andr=E9s and List,   I have been aware of at least some of the South American Cavaill=E9-Colls = for some time. One of the two South American students of Stephen Roberts, of whom you are aware, Juan Mesa and Gustavo Andres, is from an area quite = near two C-C Organs. I forget whether it is Juan or Gustavo. (Some will hear = Juan at the convention in L.A. - and can ask him!) I had got over the amazement that these two instruments are there, and from what you say, along with others, are still working, and now you throw out the news that there is an Arp Schnitger Organ in Brazil! My amazement comes from the juxtaposition = of the existence of these instruments against the rather chaotic political background you describe in many South American countries at this time. For Schnitger in the 18th century, and Cavaill=E9-Coll in the 19th to contract = for the building and transport of these instruments, and to actually set them = up and get properly compensated for doing so, tells of a rather different = sort of social/political time from that of the present. Mind you, Detlef = Kleuker seems to have managed to do this in the 20th century, and he did it enough times that one assumes it was made worth his while. And, one needs to ruminate on how it is that in the 19th century, no one in major cities in the U.S. had the smarts or the resources to commission C-C to bring us an Organ. There have been tantalizing rumors that C-C did send us an Organ = for somewhere, but these have never been proven. On the strength of a sentence in the then new Blanton book, I and a fellow student, at the end of a Houston national convention (1960, I think) drove to New Orleans to find = the Cavaill=E9-Coll reeds that were thought to be in the Swell of the Organ at = St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans. The ever hospitable and capable Elise Cambon, Organist of the Cathedral, said she was quite sure there was no truth to the story, particularly after Moller had rebuilt the Organ. She gave me the name of the local Moller guy, and when I phoned him, he said, "Oh, you mean that old junk. We had a great time stamping on all that = stuff in the shop before melting it down." I don't recall what intemperate thing = I said back to him, but it wasn't nice. That mystery remains a mystery, = sadly.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler - looking forward to seeing Andr=E9s again at the OHS Convention in Buffalo. www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Tamburini digest     > Andres Gunther > rgunther@cantv.net   <SuperSized Snip> > > Our C-C organs did fine. Precisely in Brazil there is an Arp Schnitger > organ- it works! >   <Further Snippage>     Yours > Andres > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > First was the cat, then was the Orgler. > The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about. >      
(back) Subject: RE: foam speakers From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:08:28 -0400   Andres Gunther rgunther@cantv.net   About foam speakers: We have the same problem. I attributed it to our climate- good to know that other latitudes have the same troubles. Seems = to be that the foam is a "bio-degradable" material- at least a friend of mine who is audio-tech told so. He made a Nice Buck re-coning speakers...   Yamaha's "Natural sound speakers": Their cones were not round but had an irregular shape with the idea that the sound irradiates in slightly irregular, "imperfect", therefore "more natural" fashion. This is not from me but from the Yamaha Electone Prospectus. The (now defunct) Yamaha Electone in my parish had one of these speakers- honestly, I never noted a difference. "Giant Ear" hits the nail on the head <G>   Yours Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hoehn <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: Re: foam speakers     > Tim -- > > The speaker pictured in the expired auction is a Yamaha Natural Voice > Speaker. It was standard issue on all early Yamaha electone organs. We who > sold th4e Yamahas referred to them as giant ears. The sound supposed > radiated throughout the entire unit not in the traditional piston = movement > we are all familiar with. Only problem was they were lousy for pedals. > > When Yamaha started producing organs in the US (apanese components assembled > in US cabinets, the giant ear was replaced by traditional speakers. That's > one of the main reasons I bought my Yamaha (1979) in the US cabinet, the > speakers were much better plus they had real internal leslies inthem as > well. > > Tom Hoehn, Organist > Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes, Ellenton, FL (substitute - 4/42 Wurlitzer) > First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/9?- Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks) > Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/DTOS > http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOUploads/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: foam speakers > > > > Perhaps it was something similar to whatever *this* is, pictured in a > > recently completed eBay transaction I stumbled across. I wouldn't = have > > guessed that they ever made such a thing...! (item #5702639467) > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D50597&item=3D57026= 39467 &rd=3D1 > > > > --Tim > > > > At 04:07 PM 6/8/2004, you wrote: > > >No, the speakers I refer to had the actual cones of some sort of foam > > >material > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Wood, was: The Role Of Old Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:10:07 -0400   Andres Gunther rgunther@cantv.net   There are woods which get harder the older they get. Honestly I don't know if oak is one of them, but certain kinds of tropical "Iron-wood" must be worked when they are "green" (unseasoned, still filled with sap); once = dried out they dull even widia blades. Presumptabily, as they dry out, minerals set down in the cells and make them hard and abrasive. Further, we have hardwoods where we must drill a "pilot hole" first and then drive the nail in. Otherwise, even steel nails break on them...   In my country, wood from farm-grown trees hasn't the same hardness and texture as wood from forest grown trees. Without falling into certain extremes, I am environment-conscious and take a bit less quality as a sacrifice to preserve the forests... For restorations I use only *old* = wood from discarded furniture, demolished houses etc. Not for "historicism" but for stability. Restorers have to keep in mind that "a new piece tears on = the old and makes even more damage", to allow myself a free translation of the Godspell.   Plywood (*quality* plywood, of course) has some advantages for us IMHO- = it's less susceptible to warp, wind leaks through the pores are less possible because of the cross-layers and the glue inside. D. Kleuker made all toeboards of multi-layered, heavy ply alike the used for pin boards in modern pianos. I built an experimental tone-channel chest of plywood in 1998, and purposedly keep it under an open roof (more a shelter) in my backyard to see how it behaves over the time. I inspect it regularly for troubles. To this day, none.   Yours Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: small pipe organs From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:27:36 -0700   For those who say some churches have no room for a pipe organ, I call your attention to Simon's new house organ:   http://www.nieminski.com/houseorg.html   Moller built zillions of a slightly larger version; a slightly updated and Anglicized version of THAT would serve most small to medium sized churches ADMIRABLY:   RANK   1. Open Diapason 2. Stopt Diapason 3. Salicional 4. Vox Celeste 5. Nazard 6. Tierce 7. Small Trumpet or Oboe   MANUAL I   2. 16' Bourdon - full compass 1. 8' Open Diapason - full compass 2. 8' Stopt Diapason 3. 8' Salicional - full compass 1. 4' Octave 2. 4' Flute 2. 2' Fifteenth 7. 8' Reed   MANUAL II   2. 8' Stopt Diapason 3. 8' Salicional 4. 8' Vox Celeste 2. 4' Flute 3. 4' Violina 5. 2 2/3' Nazard - full compass 2. 2' Piccolo 6. 1 3/5' Tierce - full compass 5. 1 1/3' Larigot 7. 16' Reed - full compass - mitred/half-length, notes 1-12 7. 8' Reed 7. 4' Reed   PEDAL   2. 16' Bourdon (reinforced with 5 1/3 from #5, and 8' from #3, notes 1-12) 1. 8' Open Diapason 2. 8' Stopt Diapason 3. 8' Salicional 1. 4' Chorale Bass 2. 4' Flute 7. 16' Reed 7. 8' Reed 7. 4' Reed   Since the Diapason rank doesn't appear on Manual II, it could be left unenclosed so that the enclosed reed could express *through* it ... that's a problem with small organs when EVERYTHING is placed in the swell box.   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: RE: The Role Of Old Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs built Looooooooong Ago From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:40:20 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C44E05.C7D75EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Exported forest products from Canada are almost entirely confined to pulp and paper, domestic grade construction lumber, shakes and shingles and "hydro poles". Imported raw forest products to Canada are hard wood from = the US. About 160 years ago land deeds in the Canadian province of Ontario, or "Canada West" then, stipulated that any gold or silver mines or white pine trees found on the land granted, were reserved for the Crown. The white = pine trees growing then in Ontario were uniquely invaluable to the Royal Navy = for the masts of Her Majesty's ships and the subsequent maintenance and expansion of the empire. There is now, and never was, significant production and export of = hardwood from Canada and I understand some Canadian organ manufacturers make sure their potential American customers know that most of their raw materials, including hard wood, are bought and imported from the US in the event the question is raised " why are we not buying American"?   If properly adapted I think plywood has a place in the construction of = pipe organ parts, especially the "Baltic" variety that was once very expensive and is now very reasonable in cost.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Mattcinnj Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:08 PM To: PipeChat Subject: The Role Of Old Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs built = Looooooooong Ago   If I am not mistaken ........ I noticed plywood chests being used for the new Brick Church organ ..........from the website pictures. I do not = believe plywood is being used as a cost saving feature ...... but that it is the best that is available to the builder. Canada has a lot of old growth forests but I do not believe they are of hardwoods.         _____   Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! 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The white pine trees growing = =3D then in Ontario were uniquely invaluable to the Royal Navy for the masts of Her = =3D Majesty&#8217;s ships and the subsequent maintenance and expansion of the =3D empire.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle18><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><s= =3D pan style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>There is now, and never was, = =3D significant production and export of hardwood from Canada and I understand some =3D Canadian organ manufacturers make sure their potential American customers know =3D that most of their raw materials, including hard wood, are bought and imported =3D from the US in the event the question is raised &#8221; why are we not buying =3D American&#8221;? <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle18><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!= =3D [if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle18><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If= =3D   properly adapted I think plywood has a place in the construction of pipe = =3D organ parts, especially the &#8220;Baltic&#8221; variety that was once very =3D expensive and is now very reasonable in cost. <span style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: =3D yes">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle18><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!= =3D [if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On =3D Behalf Of </span></b>Mattcinnj<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 08, = =3D 2004 2:08 PM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PipeChat<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> The Role Of Old = =3D Growth Hardwoods in Pipe Organs built Looooooooong Ago</span></font><font =3D color=3D3Dblack><span style=3D3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3D3Dblack><span =3D style=3D3D'color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font><font color=3D3Dblack><span =3D style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= =3D /p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If =3D I am not mistaken ........ I noticed plywood chests being used for the new Brick = =3D Church organ ..........from the website pictures. I do not believe =3D plywood&nbsp; is being used as a cost saving feature ...... but that it is the best that = =3D is available to the builder. 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(back) Subject: Re: foam speakers From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:15:06 +0800   I remember these Yamaha 'natural sound' speakers from many years ago. A local Yamaha dealer had an advertisement for the Electone in a church magazine circulated locally. He claimed a marvellous breakthrough in sound reproduction with the speakers; they were going to take audio world by storm. He stated that they reproduced frequencies to 30+kHz at -30 dB. I couldn't resist raining on his parade by pointing out that at -30 dB those frequencies would be inaudible, the level would be so low. Of course a limiting factor in frequency response in audio is the human ear which typically cuts off somewhere around 16kHz in the young. The frequency drops as we get older. I can no longer hear the line oscillator in a TV set (around 16kHz) whereas 30 years ago I could. This does not necessarily affect the enoyment of music however as even top A on a 2 foot stop is only sightly above 7 kHz. I can still hear that. Of course there harmonics in a musical tone that could be missing. Bob Elms.   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <rgunther@cantv.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: RE: foam speakers     > Yamaha's "Natural sound speakers": Their cones were not round but had an > irregular shape with the idea that the sound irradiates in slightly > irregular, "imperfect", therefore "more natural" fashion. This is not fro= m > me but from the Yamaha Electone Prospectus. The (now defunct) Yamaha > Electone in my parish had one of these speakers- honestly, I never noted= a > difference. "Giant Ear" hits the nail on the head <G> >     wh  
(back) Subject: Re: foam speaker From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:01:20 -0500   Thanks Bob for reminding me that I'm getting old! I was hoping the reason I couldn't hear the 16K was because newer TVs oscillated at a way - - way higher frequency (or not at all!!!) :)   Seriously though, years ago back in my audio engineering days, I seem to recall the theory that the benefit of high range speakers was in adding harmonics. Although these extreme low & high ranges could not be heard as primary frequencies, the reproduction of them added to the 'feel' of the music at both low & high ranges.   Or maybe it was just a 'Frequency War' between manufactures to sell their product.   David E   David Evangelides International Bible Society Colorado Springs, Colorado   "Praise the Lord With stringed instruments and organ." Psalm 150:4   -----Original Message----- From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:15:06 +0800 Subject: Re: foam speakers   I can no longer hear the line oscillator in a TV > set > (around 16kHz) whereas 30 years ago I could.