PipeChat Digest #4554 - Thursday, June 10, 2004
 
Re: small pipe organs, Rodgers 702
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: small pipe organs
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: small pipe organs, Rodgers 702
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Rebuilding: Organbuilder vs. Musician
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Houston Second Baptist Church (WAY Off-Topic)
  by <Rachmaninoff45@aol.com>
Re: Houston Second Baptist Church (WAY Off-Topic)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Houston Second Baptist Church (WAY Off-Topic)
  by <Rachmaninoff45@aol.com>
RE: Rebuilding: Organbuilder vs. Musician
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Rebuilding: Organbuilder vs. Musician
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Denominational Organs
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: small pipe organs, Rodgers 702 From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:42:33 -0400     > >4. Somehow, cost is going to have to come down. The organ Bud = mentioned >would likely cost over $100,000 if built to order right now. I realize >that, unless the demand for pipe organs increases, the difference to the >builders cannot be made up by increasing the number of organs delivered. = To >put it in perspective, the church where I was organist for 15 years = replaced >its aging Baldwin living room organ (with external speakers) with a = Rodgers >702 for appr. $17,000. It was a small to medium two manual instrument >which, although it has no pipes, is sooo much better than the one it >replaced. I don't remember how many "ranks" it represented, but it would = be >a little larger than the one Bud mentioned. For many reasons, there's no >sense in talking to "this" congregation about a pipe organ.   Keith,   What is a Rodgers 702. Is that an earlier digital model from say about = the mid 90s? Or is it a late model analog? Is it at all voicable? Is it a 2 channel organ?   I don't think I have ever seen this model dsignation.   Cheers,   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: small pipe organs From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:49:32 -0400   At 01:42 PM 2004-06-09 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:39 AM 6/9/04, you wrote: > >>Can we lay to rest once and for all the erroneous notion that digital >>organs do NOT require maintenance? >> >>They DO. > >Anyone who finds need for a electronic/digital organ technician are in = for >a SHOCK....they demand and usually get fees that would break a real organ =   >builders heart. All electronic devices also have a built in obsolescence >factor...none of them will ever be around long enough to qualify for an >OHS plaque proclaiming its' significance. > >Jon   Jon,   I don't know where you live, but certainly here in Ontario right now, = there is no one getting rich servicing organs. Most of us, and that isn't many of us, do not drive fancy cars, at least no fancier than pipe organ = service people, do not inhabit prestigious addresses, and probably don't have much =   in the bank.   The second part of your posting I can agree with. E-Org manufacturers may =   yet set up a parallel organization called E-OHS, so we can have our own cheer leading society.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: small pipe organs, Rodgers 702 From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:44:07 -0700   A Rodgers 700 was a self-contained AGO console with Diapason, Flute, String, Celeste (?), Mixture and Reed. A 702 might have been a later refinement. They were nice little analog organs.   Cheers,   Bud   Arie Vandenberg wrote:   > >> >> 4. Somehow, cost is going to have to come down. The organ Bud >> mentioned >> would likely cost over $100,000 if built to order right now. I realize >> that, unless the demand for pipe organs increases, the difference to = the >> builders cannot be made up by increasing the number of organs >> delivered. To >> put it in perspective, the church where I was organist for 15 years >> replaced >> its aging Baldwin living room organ (with external speakers) with a >> Rodgers >> 702 for appr. $17,000. It was a small to medium two manual instrument >> which, although it has no pipes, is sooo much better than the one it >> replaced. I don't remember how many "ranks" it represented, but it >> would be >> a little larger than the one Bud mentioned. For many reasons, there's = no >> sense in talking to "this" congregation about a pipe organ. > > > Keith, > > What is a Rodgers 702. Is that an earlier digital model from say about > the mid 90s? Or is it a late model analog? > Is it at all voicable? Is it a 2 channel organ? > > I don't think I have ever seen this model dsignation. > > Cheers, > > Arie V. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Arie Vandenberg > Classic Organbuilders > ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com > Tel.: 905-475-1263 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Rebuilding: Organbuilder vs. Musician From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:23:37 -0400   Listers,   I read with interest Seb's scenarios and it did bring up a couple = questions. Even before I ask, I feel like the answers will be "it all depends". = Anway, here goes . . .   Assuming that a church has decided that it will invest in a pipe organ instead of an electronic . . .   1. Do you find yourself trying to spec out an organ that will serve the organist or the church?   2. If there's not an organ consultant middleman, are you able to take on the role of the expert in what particular ranks are "customarily" used in = a pipe organ in a church "this" size of this particular denomination and = with this particular type of musical repertoire? IOW, you as the = builder/expert can introduce a basic organ which covers the bases of good organ design. After this, a list of "extras" which might include the party horns, additional solo stops, whatever toys the present organist wants, etc, is made in a recommended order or priority along with prices so that the committee can decide what to add and in what order if funds are available.   3. While I do believe that an organist should have significant input into the design of a "new" (or even recycled) pipe organ, I do concede that = there should be some checks and balances in place. Organists, as artists, often have some individual tastes that might not be shared by subsequent organists.   IOW, assuming that a pipe organ is to be had, does the organist's choice = of builder or disposition of stoplist tend to be held by the committee in = much higher esteem that that of the prospective organbuilder?   4. Do you ever win the confidence of the committee (who will make the decision) against the opinion of the organist? I can conceive of an experienced builder sitting down candidly with a few influential members = of a committee and saying the following, "Folks, I've been building organs = for "X" denomination for 25 years and have several that I'd be happy to visit with you. A few of the things that the organist is wanting are not = usually included in organs this size and are simply toys that he/she wants. = He/she is leaving out a couple ranks that - in the opinion of "most" mature organists - are much more useful for church music. I'm wanting to build = for you an organ that will serve your congregation and be satisfactory for almost any organist you might have over the years."   I realize that if you go completely against the organist, he/she will complain and try to make the organ look bad for the remainder of his/her tenure. Interestingly, I've heard of churches in which the organist frequently complains about how bad the present organ is only to have a visiting organist (while the resident one is on vacation) make the = existing organ sound better than they knew it could.   5. Or . . as Seb hinted . . . do you realize that you must spec out = what the organist desires because, if you don't, he/she will steer the = committee to the one who will?   I guess it's like what I face with a kid with a fever and a normal = physical exam - other than a runny nose. I try to advise the parent in the use of tylenol or motrin and liquids and explain at length to them that they = don't need an antibiotic. Of course, if I don't give them one, they'll just go = to another doctor a few days later (actually the day before the child would = get better anyway) and they get one. Then I'll be "bad-mouthed" at the = Shoney's or Waffle House because EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN = ANTIBIOTIC IF THE SNOT IS GREEN INSTEAD OF WHITE!!!   Cheers, Keith      
(back) Subject: Houston Second Baptist Church (WAY Off-Topic) From: <Rachmaninoff45@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:45:02 EDT     -------------------------------1086835502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hey Guys, Today, I got to play on the mighty five manual organ in Houston from Rodgers. It was a very nice instrument. The sound was very nice and had = a unique quality too it. It sounded very full. Unfortunately, I didn't = get to play it to long, but I got to play it long enough to get a feel for the = sound in the big Sanctuary. It is 194 ranks and is seperated into two different sections of pipes. It has 9 divisions including the pedal division. It = has thumb pistons and toe studs out the wazoo. I have a few pictures of the = console if anybody is interested. I couldn't take pictures of the pipes because = it was too dark for my camera. It was a fun organ to play. I wish I had a = lot of time to spend but unfortunately, I got an hour. But, I am thankful I = got at least that.   Best Regards, Gregory Hinson     -------------------------------1086835502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; = charset=3D3DUS-ASCII"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=3D3Drole_body style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; = FONT-FAMILY:=3D20=3D Arial"=3D20 bottomMargin=3D3D7 leftMargin=3D3D7 topMargin=3D3D7 = rightMargin=3D3D7><FONT id=3D3Drol=3D e_document=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2> <DIV>Hey Guys,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Today, I got to play on the mighty five = manual=3D20 organ in Houston from Rodgers.&nbsp; It was a very nice instrument.&nbsp; = Th=3D e=3D20 sound was very nice and had a unique quality too it.&nbsp; It sounded = very=3D20 full.&nbsp; Unfortunately, I didn't get to play it to long, but I got to = pla=3D y it=3D20 long enough to get a feel for the sound in the big Sanctuary.&nbsp; It is = 19=3D 4=3D20 ranks and is seperated into two different sections of pipes.&nbsp; It has = 9=3D20 divisions including the pedal division.&nbsp; It has thumb pistons and toe = s=3D tuds=3D20 out the wazoo.&nbsp; I have a few pictures of the console if anybody = is=3D20 interested.&nbsp; I couldn't take pictures of the pipes because it was too = d=3D ark=3D20 for my camera.&nbsp; It was a fun organ to play.&nbsp; I wish I had a lot = of=3D =3D20 time to spend but unfortunately, I got an hour.&nbsp; But, I am thankful I = g=3D ot=3D20 at least that.&nbsp;=3D20 <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = PTSIZE=3D3D"10"=3D >Best=3D20 Regards,<BR>Gregory Hinson</FONT></DIV></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>   -------------------------------1086835502--  
(back) Subject: Re: Houston Second Baptist Church (WAY Off-Topic) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:47:28 EDT     --part1_194.29b1fe8c.2df925c0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Wonderful. My question: how is this way off topic?   You talked about an organ.     --part1_194.29b1fe8c.2df925c0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 PTSIZE=3D3D12 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Wonderful.&nbsp; My = question: how i=3D s this way off topic? <BR> <BR> You talked about an organ.<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_194.29b1fe8c.2df925c0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Houston Second Baptist Church (WAY Off-Topic) From: <Rachmaninoff45@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:49:04 EDT     -------------------------------1086835744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   oh sorry.   Best Regards, Gregory Hinson     -------------------------------1086835744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; = charset=3D3DUS-ASCII"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=3D3Drole_body style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; = FONT-FAMILY:=3D20=3D Arial"=3D20 bottomMargin=3D3D7 leftMargin=3D3D7 topMargin=3D3D7 = rightMargin=3D3D7><FONT id=3D3Drol=3D e_document=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2> <DIV>oh sorry.&nbsp;=3D20 <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = PTSIZE=3D3D"10"=3D >Best=3D20 Regards,<BR>Gregory Hinson</FONT></DIV></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>   -------------------------------1086835744--  
(back) Subject: RE: Rebuilding: Organbuilder vs. Musician From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:49:59 +1200     Being a clergyman and an organist, but never an organbuilder except at = home, here are a few responses for my 2c worth -   >Organists, as artists, often have some individual tastes that might not be shared by subsequent organists.   Very true.   >Interestingly, I've heard of churches in which the organist frequently complains about how bad the present organ is only to have a visiting organist (while the resident one is on vacation) make the = existing organ sound better than they knew it could.   Also very true, even with an electroid. In one of the 3 churches in this parish, there is a 1m pedal-less Ahlborn-Galanti, installed 2nd-hand a = year ago. A number of the parishioners (half of them, actually, so numbering 12 in this tiny congregation in a wee 1907 wooden church) have told me the instrument always sounds harsh and nasty, except when I play it, when it becomes warm, mellow and musical. Well, I use the 16ft auto bass in the hymns, play old and simple composers of Bach's time and before, know what = a pipe organ sounds like, and don't over-register, preferring 1 to 3 stops = at a time instead of the 12 or 13 it has. Too, I don't use the powerful = Mixture in a small congregation, using the discant Cornet instead. Playing old English, old German and old Italian schools makes this tiny instrument = sing, and during Communion I'll often play a Titelouze piece on just the 8ft Gedackt with the box shut during Communion. It's very important to explore the instrument thoroughly, whatever it is, to see what are the best sounds on it.   In a church, I believe it is wrong to create a quirky instrument. I can think of the Auckland Roman Catholic Cathedral. They had a very fine 3m Bishop (from England) of about 1880 date, in the rear gallery of this approx.1200-seat church. It was taken to the tip and replaced with a harsh and grossly ineffective light-winded tracker, most of the chests and casework being of particle-board, in the 1960s. The Bishop filled the = church magnificently in spite of being only about 25 stops, while the Croft there now is just a gutless shriek in the distance. And this was done to please the then organist, an elderly fellow from England whose DMus(Durham) FRCO impressed the people in charge.   I can think of another case where things went badly wrong. The organ has 3 stops on each of the 2 manuals, yet the Pedal has a 16ft open metal. = Another 1960s organ. Or another, where the unencl.manual of 8.4.2.IV and pedal = 16ft have to accompany a girls' high school of more than 600. Impossible.   And another from the 1960s, where in a church seating perhaps 250 to 300, = an organ of 3m and some 40 stops was installed, complete with two 16ft reeds and 3 open 16fts. The whole thing was crammed into a very inadequate = chamber and sounded utterly ghastly. Within 10 years the thing had been rebuilt to half the size, including heavy Trumpets and big metal 16fts being turfed out.   Organists do not necessarily make designers. To use an analogy - I would = say Schumacher is a great racing driver, but I wouldn't trust him to design = and build one. Often, though, a builder will also do dumb things - I can think of a 2m organ from the 1860s, still with its tracker to both manuals and = the pedals, that was electrified, the chests replaced, and stuff added along with a 3rd manual. Quite pointless. Or another, about 25 years ago, where there is a 2m tracker of about 20 stops in a 450-seat very dead building. The instrument is harsh, top-heavy, nowhere near loud enough and all on a gutless very low pressure. The pressure should have been at least 2 inches higher, the pipe material heavier, and the scaling much bigger.   All of us can, I'm sure, go on and on and on with sad stories like these.   Ross   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 7/06/2004    
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuilding: Organbuilder vs. Musician From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:44:15 EDT     --part1_3c.4007d6e7.2df9330f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Sebastian, Amen and AMEN!   Some on the list know the perilous history of our instrument, saved by a sensible (though later vilified) Rector from the clutches of a musician's "individual tonal proclivities". To read the "assesment" of the instrument = prepared by a previous titulaire's hired gun during a campaign to replace it, and to = play the instrument or hear it for one's self demonstrates the axiom that "the truth is in how one tells it". No need to rehash that story, but I cannot reiterate enough how important it is to be reasonable and honest (and also = pragmatic) when assessing what to do with even an old, problematic and tonally = altered instrument that is still going strong--despite seemingly intractable and = highly problematic technical flaws in the "redesign" and re-trackerisation.   Furthermore, I agree with Bud and others, that there exists--especially = in rarefied circumstances such as St. John's--such a thing as a = "denominational" organ tonal design, scaling and voicing. I'll take the intractable flaws = over stylistic inappropriateness of tonal design borne of some dogmatic, pedant =   incumbent any day; eventually a proper rebuild will both preserve the = best of this strange instrument while keeping it in line with the Anglo-Catholic = liturgy and Anglican musical tradition it has served, in one form or another, both = in the chancel and the gallery, since 1889.   Bill H., And his flawed Gem (Hutchings/Beaudry) saved from the rubbish-bin less = than a decade ago St. John's, Bowdoin St., Boston   --part1_3c.4007d6e7.2df9330f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 PTSIZE=3D3D10 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Sebastian,<BR> Amen and AMEN! <BR> <BR> Some on the list know the perilous history of our instrument, saved by a = sen=3D sible (though later vilified) Rector from the clutches of a musician's = "indi=3D vidual tonal proclivities". To read the "assesment" of the instrument = prepar=3D ed by a previous titulaire's hired gun during a campaign to replace it, = and=3D20=3D to play the instrument or hear it for one's self demonstrates the axiom = that=3D "the truth is in how one tells it". No need to rehash that story, but I = can=3D not reiterate enough how important it is to be reasonable and honest (and = al=3D so pragmatic) when assessing what to do with even an old, problematic and = to=3D nally altered instrument that is still going strong--despite seemingly = intra=3D ctable and highly problematic technical flaws in the "redesign" and = re-track=3D erisation. <BR> <BR> Furthermore,&nbsp; I agree with Bud and others, that there = exists--especiall=3D y in rarefied circumstances such as St. John's--such a thing as a = "denominat=3D ional" organ tonal design, scaling and voicing. I'll take the intractable = fl=3D aws over stylistic inappropriateness of tonal design borne of some = dogmatic,=3D pedant incumbent any day;&nbsp; eventually a proper rebuild will both = prese=3D rve the best of this strange instrument while keeping it in line with the = An=3D glo-Catholic liturgy and Anglican musical tradition it has served, in one = fo=3D rm or another, both in the chancel and the gallery, since 1889.<BR> <BR> Bill H.,<BR> And his flawed Gem (Hutchings/Beaudry) saved from the rubbish-bin less = than=3D20=3D a decade ago<BR> St. John's, Bowdoin St., Boston<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_3c.4007d6e7.2df9330f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Denominational Organs From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:39:25 -0700 (PDT)   --0-1271055715-1086853165=3D:65718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Bud wrote the stop lists of wonderful balance. Id love to have a stoplist = like this at my Catholic church.     A SMALL RC OR ANGLICAN ORGAN   GREAT   16' Bourdon 8' Open Diapason 8' Harmonic Flute 8' Dulciana (big English style), or broad-scale Gamba 4' Octave 2' Fifteenth Mixture 8' Trumpet or Clarinet   SWELL   8' Open Diapason 8' Stopt Diapason 8' Viola 8' Vox angelica 4' Spire Flute 2 2/3' Cornet III 8' Cornopean 8' Oboe   PEDAL   16' Open Wood 16' Bourdon (gt) 10 2/3 Quint Bass 8' Open Bass (metal) 4' Chorale Bass 16' Trombone (wood)   A SMALL LUTHERAN ORGAN IN TRADITIONAL STYLE   GREAT   16' Principal 8' Octave 8' Chimney Flute 4' Octave 2' Octave Mixture 16' Bassoon   POSITIVE   8' Gedeckt 4' Principal 2 2/3' Sesquialtera II (narrow-scale) 2' Octave Mixture 8' Krumhorn   PEDAL   16' Principal (gt) 8' Octave Bass 4' Chorale Bass Mixture 16' Trombone 8' Trumpet         I prefer the English one because Its just my niche.   What about Denominational Organ Builders? Seems like a lot of Austins in = PRes and Epis churches, Military Mollers etc.         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger --0-1271055715-1086853165=3D:65718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <P>Bud wrote the stop lists of wonderful balance. Id love to have a = stoplist like this at my Catholic church. </P> <P><BR>A SMALL RC OR ANGLICAN ORGAN<BR><BR>GREAT<BR><BR>16' Bourdon<BR>8' = Open Diapason<BR>8' Harmonic Flute<BR>8' Dulciana (big English style), or = broad-scale Gamba<BR>4' Octave<BR>2' Fifteenth<BR>Mixture<BR>8' Trumpet or = Clarinet<BR><BR>SWELL<BR><BR>8' Open Diapason<BR>8' Stopt Diapason<BR>8' = Viola<BR>8' Vox angelica<BR>4' Spire Flute<BR>2 2/3' Cornet III<BR>8' = Cornopean<BR>8' Oboe<BR><BR>PEDAL<BR><BR>16' Open Wood<BR>16' Bourdon = (gt)<BR>10 2/3 Quint Bass<BR>8' Open Bass (metal)<BR>4' Chorale = Bass<BR>16' Trombone (wood)<BR><BR>A SMALL LUTHERAN ORGAN IN TRADITIONAL = STYLE<BR><BR>GREAT<BR><BR>16' Principal<BR>8' Octave<BR>8' Chimney = Flute<BR>4' Octave<BR>2' Octave<BR>Mixture<BR>16' = Bassoon<BR><BR>POSITIVE<BR><BR>8' Gedeckt<BR>4' Principal<BR>2 2/3' = Sesquialtera II (narrow-scale)<BR>2' Octave<BR>Mixture<BR>8' = Krumhorn<BR><BR>PEDAL<BR><BR>16' Principal (gt)<BR>8' Octave Bass<BR>4' = Chorale Bass<BR>Mixture<BR>16' Trombone<BR>8' Trumpet<BR><BR></P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>I prefer the English one because Its just my niche. </P> <P>What about Denominational Organ Builders? Seems like a lot of Austins = in PRes and Epis churches, Military Mollers etc. </P> <P>&nbsp;</P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>From Desiree' <br>T. Desiree' = Hines<br>Chicago, IL 60610<br>----------------------------<br>For = Compositions by Desiree'<br>Frog Music = Press<br>www.frogmusic.com<br>-------------------------------<br>FOR = CONCERTS BY DESIREE'<br>http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html<p> <hr size=3D1><font face=3Darial size=3D-1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>Friends. = Fun. <a href=3D"http://messenger.yahoo.com/">Try the all-new Yahoo! = Messenger</a> --0-1271055715-1086853165=3D:65718--