PipeChat Digest #4582 - Monday, June 28, 2004
 
Console costs
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Alistair Nelson [x-posted]
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Re: Alistair Nelson [x-posted]
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Re: Organs and Organists online
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Console costs
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Console costs
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Console costs
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Austin Specifications
  by <RJAYWILL@aol.com>
Re: Austin Specifications
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Concert at The Cathedral of the Holy Cross, Boston
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: Austin Specifications
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: Console costs
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Austin Specifications
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
RE: Organs and Organists online
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Re: Console costs
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Justin Kramer "Screechophone"  [x-posted]
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
 

(back) Subject: Console costs From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:31:42 -0700 (PDT)   Hi everyone. While some say that there can't be an average cost of price per rank of an = organ, can there be an average cost of 3 manual console fitted with all = the bells and whistles? Happy Sunday     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
(back) Subject: Alistair Nelson [x-posted] From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:13:02 -0700   Yesterday, Alistair Nelson of Australia posted a "convention roommate wanted" to PIPORG-L. I don't know if anyone has replied favorably or not, but if not, I would like to put in an unsolicited good word for him.   First, just a word of background: He has just completed a B.Mus(Hons) in organ at the University of Sydney. This year he is doing some travelling (to China, Los Angeles, and points in-between). At the end of July, he will be attending the Mount Royal Academy International Summer School 2004 in Calgary, Canada.   Since he's been in Los Angeles, he has been practicing at my two churches -- yes, on the 1965 Kramer Screechaphone and the 1957 Stootavant with LesterTone=AE=A9=99 Dynamic Audio Accentuator!   Alistair is very industrious, taking many bus trips from hither and yon in the area to get to my churches to practice. And once he is there, he puts in a full day of good, solid practice time. (One of my pastors has hinted that I would do well to follow his example...) Anyone who knows the frustrating logistics of relying on mass transit in Los Angeles can appreciate his diligence even just on that count.   Furthermore, he is very cooperative and willing to help out -- because I play in two churches I have to leave the first one at the sermon to get to the other one in time; they have to rely on a MIDI device for the remainder of the service. Alistair has been happy to remain at the first church on the Sundays when he has been available to finish them out; and may I say I have gotten many warm remarks of commendation about his excellent musicianship and willing spirit.   Finally, he's congenial and quiet -- two considerations that I personally would consider preeminent for even a short-term roommate.   He is here "on a budget," so I know that any assistance he could receive in terms of accommodations would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks!   ~ C    
(back) Subject: Re: Alistair Nelson [x-posted] From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:14:46 -0700   P.S. Left out the most important part --- how to reach Alistair. His email address is:   alistairnelson@fastmail.com.au   ~ C    
(back) Subject: Re: Organs and Organists online From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:06:33 -0500   Jason,   Please email me privately about this.   Thanks,   Tim Grenz octaaf@organsandorganistsonline.com     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Organs and Organists online     > Dear John, > > Thanks for establishing such a great site for listening and learning. = I'm > sure the site will become well-used as people become familiar with it. > > I do have one suggestion: Once you select an audio download, the home site > is deleted, making it difficult to change your mind and select another audio > file. In order to do that, you must log into the site another time, rather > than simply push the backup arrow. > > Other sites that contain audio sources do allow a user to back up and change > course without having to log on again, so it is possible. > > Thanks again for an excellent place to go and experience our favorite > instrument. > > Jay Taylor > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Console costs From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:51:56 -0600   Hi, Desiree' =20 You asked:=20 =20 > can there be an average cost of 3 manual console fitted with=20 > all the bells and whistles?   No, because the console also includes many options=20 that can run the cost sky-high. =20 If the console is to present you with ways to turn=20 stops on and off, press keys that make the pipes=20 speak, and provide you with control of the various=20 portions of the organ that make music, then you=20 have to decide on how much you will spend on making=20 those things happen. =20 If you dictate that only the portions of the conole=20 that "feel" right to you will be used, you will=20 probably fall into a very expensive set of console=20 devices that can run the expense "sky-high." =20 F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs =20 =20 ..
(back) Subject: Console costs From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:14:58 -0500   Do you want a new custom-design shell, or would an existing or recycled shell suit your purposes better? Do you want new keyboards from OSI, Laukhuff Peterson, Harris, or P&S? Do you want them covered in plastic, bone, or ivory? Do you want drawknobs and tilting tablets from Laukhuff, Harris, Peterson, Syndine, etc. Which company do you want to build the combination action etc? Would a standard design console from Laukhuff, = OSI, or Klann suit your purpose? All of these decisions change the price. = They are best made in consultation with your organ builder, who will warranty = the result. For example, a colleague was passing through a famous supply house and noticed two consoles sitting side by side. One he though was beautifully designed and executed in every detail. The other one looked to him like a piece of trash. He asked the supplier about why one console was = wonderful, and the other junky. The supplier replied "not to the person who ordered it". Roy Redman Roy Redman ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Scribner" <david@BLACKIRIS.COM> To: <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: Re: New Console in Boston     > At 9:46 AM -0400 6/27/04, murrayp wrote: > >Dear List, > > > >After posting my recital announcement, I have received a number of inquiries > >about the new console for the E.& G.G. Hook & Hastings organ at the Cathedral > >of the Holy Cross in Boston. > > If you go to the Andover Organ Company Web Site > http://www.andoverorgan.com/ and click on the "News and Updates" > button you will find information and a photo of the new console about > 1/2 down that page. > > David > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the individual con- > tributors and not necessarily those of the list owners nor of the Uni- > versity at Albany. For a brief summary of list commands, send mail to > listserv@listserv.albany.edu saying GET LSVCMMDS.TXT or see the web > page at http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/lsvcmmds.html . > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Console costs From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:31:01 -0700 (PDT)   Desiree' writes: uhhh...I think I'll just call Robert Turner or Petersons. A 3 manual drawknob solid state or something console with bone covered = keys, 30 levels of memory, record/playback   Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> wrote: Do you want a new custom-design shell, or would an existing or recycled shell suit your purposes better? Do you want new keyboards from OSI, Laukhuff Peterson, Harris, or P&S? Do you want them covered in plastic, bone, or ivory? Do you want drawknobs and tilting tablets from Laukhuff, Harris, Peterson, Syndine, etc. Which company do you want to build the combination action etc? Would a standard design console from Laukhuff, = OSI, or Klann suit your purpose? All of these decisions change the price. They are best made in consultation with your organ builder, who will warranty = the result. For example, a colleague was passing through a famous supply house and noticed two consoles sitting side by side. One he though was beautifully designed and executed in every detail. The other one looked to him like a piece of trash. He asked the supplier about why one console was wonderful, and the other junky. The supplier replied "not to the person who ordered it". Roy Redman     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Austin Specifications From: <RJAYWILL@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:15:02 EDT   I am searching for the specifications of Austin Opus 183, 1907. It was a = 21 2m and was originally installed in the First Church of Christ, Scientist = in San Francisco, and later moved to Sixth Church. Does anyone know where I = can find that kind of information on the net?   R Jay Williamson  
(back) Subject: Re: Austin Specifications From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:22:37 -0400   Contact Austin!   They have always provided me with extensive information, including shop notes, everytime I have asked.   Jim       On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:15:02 EDT RJAYWILL@aol.com writes: I am searching for the specifications of Austin Opus 183, 1907. It was a 21 2m and was originally installed in the First Church of Christ, Scientist in San Francisco, and later moved to Sixth Church. Does anyone know where I can find that kind of information on the net?   R Jay Williamson
(back) Subject: Concert at The Cathedral of the Holy Cross, Boston From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:31:39 -0400   Today the 1875 E. & G. G. Hook & Hastings Organ, Opus 801 sounded forth in that cavernous space, ably played by Paul J. Murray, Director of Music and Organist at Church of the Holy Family in New York City. My thanks go to Paul for posting this on the list, as living in Boston, I had not heard of it happening. On this beautiful, for a change, day in Boston it was a joy to sit in that space and listen to an excellent program. gazing at the stained glass and wood covered ceiling. The acoustic is excellent. I have not heard this organ since the OHS Convention, when it was still controlled by the ancient Theatre organ console which was less than reliable. This has now been replaced by a replica console built by The Andover Organ Company from photographs and examples of other period H&H consoles. The organ was also rewired and it seemed like many of the ciphers and wind leaks had disappeared too. This is not to say that there aren't any problems with this organ, a complete restoration I believe is still a long way off. Paul's program was; Praeludium in d minor, BuxWV 140 - Buxtehude, O Lamm Gottes, unschuldig, BWV 656 - Bach, Choral I in E Major - Franck, Monastic Piece - Flor Peeters, Chorale improvisation on "In Dulci Jublio - Karg-Elert, Clair de lune from Pi=E8ces de Fantasie - Vierne, Prelude and Fugue un D Major, BWV 532 - = Bach.   All were played exceptionally well and worked on that organ in spite of the out of tuneness at times, there are wonderful stops on that organ and Paul used them well. I look forward to more concerts, in the fall there. It was announced that Thomas Murray will play there in October. Hopefully someone will post it when the time comes.   Cheers,   Mack    
(back) Subject: Re: Austin Specifications From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:32:39 -0400   Try writing to Austin they have the records. Mack   RJAYWILL@aol.com wrote:   > I am searching for the specifications of Austin Opus 183, 1907. It > was a 21 2m and was originally installed in the First Church of > Christ, Scientist in San Francisco, and later moved to Sixth Church. > Does anyone know where I can find that kind of information on the net? > > R Jay Williamson    
(back) Subject: Re: Console costs From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:41:43 EDT   In a message dated 6/27/2004 3:32:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes: A 3 manual drawknob solid state or something console with bone covered = keys, 30 levels of memory, record/playback there still isn't enough info for a guestimate. The choice of console = woods will change the price pretty drastically...for example a black walnut with = a high gloss finish will be more than a console constructed out of pine with = a white paint finish, would be less than a (solid) oak console with a fumed (ammonia) and danish-oil finish. Then there is the matter of: how many drawknobs how many pistons how many toe studs how many expression pedals how many reversible actions   and do you want the interior of the console finished in a contrasting wood/finish...maybe with inlay or mouldings around the different = divisions, the size and number of label plates for the various console appointments, do you = need a locking rolltop, a see-thru acrylic music rack   and the list goes on.   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Austin Specifications From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:05:02 EDT   Hi ...........   Send email to Alfred Isaacson: aisaacson@austinorgans.com and ask him to = look up what you need. I expect that he will be able to find the requested information.   Rocky Mountain Organ Co., Inc. William S (Bill) Hesterman, President   We proudly represent Austin Organs, Inc. in the western US.  
(back) Subject: RE: Organs and Organists online From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:32:11 +0300   We have looked into the problem described by Jason Taylor. This effect is caused by the user=92s Browser settings and is not a feature of the site. = What he describes is what will happen if the browser is set to open media files in the browser. However, even then the browser Back button should not be disabled providing you have a broadband connection which allows streaming audio. If you are on dialup, you should right click and =93save target as = ...=94 to your hard drive, then open and listen to the file. If you have this problem, it can be resolved by opening Windows Media Player, or whatever Player you prefer, clicking on Tools/Options, and telling the EXTERNAL player you wish to use to play MP3 format files by default. Do this by checking the box next to MP3 and/or MPEG. You also need to open your browser options and be sure that it is set to run and view JavaScript by checking the JAVA Console enabled box. Also, make sure the Play = Audio/Video in web pages is unchecked. If you do this you shouldn=92t have any more problem with viewing the site, or enjoying the music files. The problem = is not related to how the site functions! John Foss   Jason M Taylor wrote I do have one suggestion: Once you select an audio download, the home = site is deleted, making it difficult to change your mind and select another = audio file. In order to do that, you must log into the site another time, = rather than simply push the backup arrow. Other sites that contain audio sources do allow a user to back up and = change course without having to log on again, so it is possible.      
(back) Subject: Re: Console costs From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:43:14 -0500   Russell and Company of Vermont (www.russellorgans.com) makes very nice consoles, always custom done. The nicest consoles I have ever seen, in fact, as far as joinery, grain matching, etc. They have made some cheap consoles too, for churches on a tight budget, but even these have been = high quality... just not fancy. I would give them a call too. They have but = one woodworker (formerly two, but then I left), and he's world-class (David Gordon). Russell builds organs, but with David in the shop, woodworking = is definitly their strongest suit (along with Steve's voicing and scaling of flues). Turner and others might be able to build it sooner and cheaper though. Hard to say. Heck, give 'em a call.   Andy     On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:31:01 -0700 (PDT), T.Desiree' Hines wrote > Desiree' writes: > uhhh...I think I'll just call Robert Turner or Petersons. > > A 3 manual drawknob solid state or something console with bone > covered keys, 30 levels of memory, record/playback > > Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> wrote: > Do you want a new custom-design shell, or would an existing or recycled > shell suit your purposes better? Do you want new keyboards from OSI, > Laukhuff Peterson, Harris, or P&S? Do you want them covered in > plastic, bone, or ivory? Do you want drawknobs and tilting tablets > from Laukhuff, Harris, Peterson, Syndine, etc. Which company do you > want to build the combination action etc? Would a standard design > console from Laukhuff, OSI, or Klann suit your purpose? All of these > decisions change the price. They are best made in consultation with > your organ builder, who will warranty the result. For example, a > colleague was passing through a famous supply house and noticed two > consoles sitting side by side. One he though was beautifully > designed and executed in every detail. The other one looked to him > like a piece of trash. He asked the supplier about why one console > was wonderful, and the other junky. The supplier replied "not to the > person who ordered it". Roy Redman > > >From Desiree' > T. Desiree' Hines > Chicago, IL 60610 > ---------------------------- > For Compositions by Desiree' > Frog Music Press > www.frogmusic.com > ------------------------------- > FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' > http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com       A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Justin Kramer "Screechophone" [x-posted] From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:31:45 -0700   I rec'd a private (off-list) knuckle-rapping for my, yes, disparaging comment about the Justin Kramer organ in one of the churches where I play. To wit:     =3D-> .... might I may add that I do not think that:   "1965 Kramer Screechaphone"   is an appropriate comment to be made in public for one of our very solid organ builders of Los Angeles organs. <-=3D     Well, we are all entitled to our opinions I guess, and that is not only MY opinion about the organ at Holy Trinity, but that of just about everyone else who has heard or played it. Organist and layperson alike. (There's not a stop in the instrument that does not screech, shriek, quack or cluck, including the Swell strings. You haven't lived until you've heard a Voix Celeste with a chiff.)   INCLUDING, ironically enough, Mr. Kramer himself who, at the time of his death, was working on a proposal to update his instrument there and augment it with DIGITAL equipment!   Now, THAT may not necessarily be a welcome bit of news to those who admired Mr. Kramer, but there it is. He came to a point in his life (that more in our craft should) where he realized that Pipes-Only instruments are not necessarily -- and certainly are not always -- the "be all to end all."   And Holy Trinity is a textbook case-study of one such situation. Justin had some very innovative and highly workable ideas for expanding his instrument there with digital augmentation [given that there is simply not room for even one additional rank of pipes] along with a new solid-state console.   As to its tonal design, he told me once, "When I put the organ in down there, I voiced it according to what the organist wanted, and in fashion with the 'Baroque Fad' at the time. Looking back, I have to ask myself what on earth was I thinking?!"   Anyone who knows me and of my friendship with Mr. Kramer knows that I would never speak ill of him as a person. He was a very, very dear man.   (He was so very kind as to "bequeath" to me his clever and delightful "Jug-Orgel" -- a pipe organ made of beer bottles! Unfortunately, it had sat in a storage facility for many years and all the plastic tubing had fossilized along with myriad other mechanical problems. Restoring it was a task beyond my means and ability, so I in turn passed it on to the Orange County ATOS. I do not know of its current whereabouts or condition. The last I heard, it was in storage somewhere at Plummer Auditorium I believe.)   And he did build some lovely instruments in Los Angeles. His very fine instrument for St. Victor's West Hollywood for example (which has, since, been considerably enlarged).   Unfortunately, Holy Trinity was not among them for a variety of reasons, some of them beyond his control. (I have, more than once, outlined the long, sad soap opera of the Great Organ Swindle that occurred there in the 1960s. No, he was NOT a part of that, but had to come in afterward and clean up a big mess made by a local organ-crook.)   I won't belabor the point any further, other than to just make VERY CLEAR that I was only commenting on the organ that I have been playing for almost 15 years, and not on the man who built it.   Just wanted to make sure the record was set straight on this, so thank you all for indulging me.   ~ C