PipeChat Digest #4585 - Wednesday, June 30, 2004
 
RE: The Frantic Organist Lady...
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: defining "soffit"
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: The Frantic Organist Lady...
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: The Frantic Organist Lady...
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
longevity
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
did I miss something?
  by "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: did I miss something?
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net>
Re: did I miss something?
  by "Tom Jones" <tomj@netpath.net>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "v hatch" <vhatch@hotmail.com>
AGO convention in LA
  by "v hatch" <vhatch@hotmail.com>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net>
Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
 

(back) Subject: RE: The Frantic Organist Lady... From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:27:38 -0500   Brenda went out of business a couple years ago. She was a member of the lists.     Glenda Sutton   gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of T.Desiree' Hines Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:25 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: The Frantic Organist Lady...     Noel hun   Brenda Durden is the Frantic Organist lady. Along with Lynnette Jennings Ball   They are in Marysville, Washington. Is she no longer online?        
(back) Subject: Re: defining "soffit" From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:51:03 EDT   All secondary, tertiary, and esoteric redefinitions aside, a soffit is =   the horizontal underside of an architectural design element. The term does = not refer to domes, squinches, or lintels. Soffits are architectural features, but are not considered structure; they define and delineate space but do not bear loads.   Sebastian M. Gluck AB, Architecture MS, Architectural Conservation Professional Circle, New York Landmarks Conservancy  
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:55:00 EDT   "noel jones" writes, regarding the Saville Sovereign:   Manual keyboards are in very poor working condition, electronics are shot, =   basically a console shell with electronics that need to be gutted.   But... but... how can this BE? Such devices require no maintenance and = last forever.   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: The Frantic Organist Lady... From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:27:09 -0500   Not sure...   T.Desiree' Hines wrote:   > Noel hun > Brenda Durden is the Frantic Organist lady. Along with Lynnette > Jennings Ball > They are in Marysville, Washington. > Is she no longer online? > > > > > From Desiree' > T. Desiree' Hines > Chicago, IL 60610 > ---------------------------- > For Compositions by Desiree' > Frog Music Press > www.frogmusic.com > ------------------------------- > FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' > http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >    
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:48:08 -0500   Sorry, but the sarcasm is missing the mark as the misguided creatures that built this one used a pipe organ console. An electropneumatic pipe of the same vintage is also being releathered.   As long as we are on PipeChat let's explore this...   Why do people buy huge pipe instruments that our friends across the pond find amazing to consider?   Why do people buy one rank pipe organs to use for a church service?   Why do people rebuild old pipe organs?   Why do people buy digital organs?   Why do people combine pipes & digital?   Because they want to. Because they have the money.   It is rarely because they have been "misled" by a crafty salesperson...and there are as many of them selling pipes as there are digital.   The longevity of today's digital organ is at least equal to that of an electropneumatic pipe organ. Both require amounts that are in direct proportion to their original purchase price to rebuild and extend the life of when that day comes.   The most honorable of sales reps will encourage the church to purchase the finest organ they can for their situation, and bow out gracefully when they find that the builder's goals and the purchaser's goals do not match.   But now the real question for you and others to spin over...what do you do when you find a church that wants to buy an organ, has the money, but cannot afford to maintain the organ?   Donor dies, leaving them money earmarked specifically for purchase ot a wonderful organ. The church does not have the wherewithall to maintain the instrument. Will cannot be broken.   noel jones    
(back) Subject: Re: The Frantic Organist Lady... From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:49:47 -0500   Thanks, Glenda.   Books 1 and 2 of The Frantic Organist series are still available through OHS.   noel jones   > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:59:15 -0500   "Sebastian" deserves a better explanation of the reasons behind the demise of the Saville.   Keyboards not longer in regulation of any kind...very noisy, clanking and varying key heights, including those that project up over the normal height.   Combnation action that totally failed.   Amplification system became noisy and required complete rebuilding or replacement.   The tonal production system of the organ had not aged much, though as the amplification system got cranky, not much was spent to tune and regulate the tone producition system.   Thought was given to rebuilding, but the tonal resources did not match the needs for worship...so replacement was the choice.   If you replalce the words "amplification system" with "blower and electropmeumatic chests" does this describe the fate of many piep organs as well?   noel jones   > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:31:28 EDT   Hello gedeckt@usit.net,   In reference to your comment:   But now the real question for you and others to spin over...what do you do when you find a church that wants to buy an organ, has the money, but cannot afford to maintain the organ?   Donor dies, leaving them money earmarked specifically for purchase ot a wonderful organ. The church does not have the wherewithall to maintain the instrument. Will cannot be broken.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   Hmmm.   Perhaps the builder should insist that the church sign a waiver, = stipulating that the new organ will require X amount of maintenance. A church that = wants an organ is going to buy one, from someone. Once a builder has made the church aware that maintenance is going to be an issue, his ethical = requirements are met.   Then the church has to get busy with bake sales and spaghetti suppers. It =   seems to me that if a congregation REALLY wants something, the = wherewithall is found.   Victoria (with Kimo's input)  
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:22:20 -0400     >The longevity of today's digital organ is at least equal to that of an >electropneumatic pipe organ. Both require amounts that are in direct >proportion to their original purchase price to rebuild and extend the = life >of when that day comes. Noel,   I'm not sure why you are saying this, other than to promote electronic = organs.   I know of electro-pneumatic (and tubular pneumatic) organs around the Toronto area, that are way over 50 years old, some 80 or 90 years old, = that are entirely original, have never been re-worked, just tuned. And they still play, and play well, maybe not as nice as an organ with a new relay in it.   Do you really think that today's electronic organs will last that long. Will electronic organ companies support their products for that length of time? Or will they even be around in 40 to 50 years time to support their products.   I happen to sell E- Orgs, but in my opinion it is best NOT to compare them =   directly to a pipe organ. They are an entity unto themselves. They are a =   piece of period technology, in other words if an E-org is built in 1990, = it will not have 1999 technology in it. As new technology replaces it, the old will only be left as replacement parts, until all gone. There are organs out there where the company can no longer support their organs, = even though they are in business, but no more spare parts.   I'm not saying that E-Orgs can't go 40 or 50 years. They generally don't. Electro-pneumatic pipe organs, if well done, should last well beyond that.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:14:57 -0600   Hello, Seb, Noel, et al:   Knowing just a little bit about Saville organs, I think this one has been "gutted."   ". . . lasting forever is a 'plague statement' that applies to any organ played with fingers, feet, etc."     F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs   .. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:55 AM Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville     > "noel jones" writes, regarding the Saville Sovereign: > > Manual keyboards are in very poor working condition, electronics are shot, > basically a console shell with electronics that need to be gutted. > > But... but... how can this BE? Such devices require no maintenance and last > forever. > > . > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:06:48 -0700   ROFL!!!   A. Nonnie Mouse   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > "noel jones" writes, regarding the Saville Sovereign: > > Manual keyboards are in very poor working condition, electronics are = shot, > basically a console shell with electronics that need to be gutted. > > But... but... how can this BE? Such devices require no maintenance and = last > forever. > > . > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:47:35 EDT   In a message dated 6/30/2004 11:22:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com writes:   > I'm not saying that E-Orgs can't go 40 or 50 years. They generally > don't.   i have a model 5 (?) Baldwin---built in 1956.   still works everytime i turn it on.   have not replaced a tube in quite some time.   maybe they can last a while.......   snickering as he heads to pack for LA   dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: longevity From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:16:59 -0700   Um, are we sure we WANT a Bawld-One Model 5 to last that long? (chuckle)   The only non-pipe "organ" that can REALLY make the claim of lasting as long as a typical electro-pneumatic pipe organ is the Hammond, and it's not really electronic, but rather electro-mechanical. The occasional tubes, vibrato scanners, and amps are easily replaced. There are Hammonds from the 1930s that are still playing every Sunday. And they play the literature that has developed for them VERY well: Gospel, soul, jazz, rock.   But I think it's generally agreed that they're not a SUBSTITUTE for a pipe organ. Many African-American churches have both.   I've PLAYED (if you can call it that) an Everett Orgatron from the 1930s. No THANK you! (chuckle)   I'll take a 1930s Moller ANY day.   The 1890s Koehnken & Grimm tracker we moved and restored for the Shrine of the Immaculata in Cincinnati had played from the 1890s to the 1970s with MINIMAL maintenance ... the leather on the huge reservoir was still viable, albeit patched; we decided to have it releathered while the organ was apart and the reservoir was accessible; the pallet leather was still PRISTINE; there were a few broken pedal trackers that had obviously been stepped on; the organ was still in reasonable tune before we took it down, after the church had been CLOSED and UNHEATED for more than ten years.   We basically took it down, stripped fourteen (!) coats of paint off the case, reassembled it, and tuned it. Barring a natural disaster, it will play for another century or so.   Total cost: under $5000 ... yes, it was a local transplant, and yes, we had LOTS of talented volunteer help from the College-Conservatory, but we got it done. The major expense was having an organ-builder releather the reservoir and regulate the action.   The church organist played Franck's Piece Heroique for the dedication; I played Guilmant's O Filii et Filiae; my accompanist played Rossini's Inflammatus for the choir ... this was a two-manual organ of twenty-something stops ... so obviously it wasn't terribly limited in what it could play ... an argument we often hear AGAINST restoring 19th century organs.   Cheers,   Bud   Keys4bach@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/30/2004 11:22:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com writes: > >> I'm not saying that E-Orgs can't go 40 or 50 years. They generally >> don't. > > > > i have a model 5 (?) Baldwin---built in 1956. > > still works everytime i turn it on. > > have not replaced a tube in quite some time. > > maybe they can last a while....... > > snickering as he heads to pack for LA > > dale in Florida      
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:05:25 -0500   Now Seb ... play nice <grin>   Cheers,   Tim   ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville     > "noel jones" writes, regarding the Saville Sovereign: > > Manual keyboards are in very poor working condition, electronics are = shot, > basically a console shell with electronics that need to be gutted. > > But... but... how can this BE? Such devices require no maintenance and last > forever. > > . > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: did I miss something? From: "Raymond H. Clark, Quilisma Publications" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:27:15 -0700   What's happening with Stetson U's Beckerath?   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:25:56 +0800   Wish there were an AGO console in my area to put MIDI keys in ... the wood = console would be attractive and the keys/sound generator(s) can be = replaced over-and-over again as technology fails or changes significantly.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Arie Vandenberg <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>   > I happen to sell E- Orgs, but in my opinion it is best NOT to compare = them > directly to a pipe organ. They are an entity unto themselves. They are = a > piece of period technology, in other words if an E-org is built in 1990, = it > will not have 1999 technology in it. As new technology replaces it, the =   > old will only be left as replacement parts, until all gone. There are > organs out there where the company can no longer support their organs, = even > though they are in business, but no more spare parts. > > I'm not saying that E-Orgs can't go 40 or 50 years. They generally > don't. Electro-pneumatic pipe organs, if well done, should last well > beyond that. > > Arie V. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Arie Vandenberg > Classic Organbuilders > ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com > Tel.: 905-475-1263   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- _______________________________________________ Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143          
(back) Subject: Re: did I miss something? From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:48:34 EDT   Hey, Bud.   It looks like a dusting and cleaning, as opposed to a re-voicing, etc. The =   article was a bit vague about the "real" work being done, but from what = Boyd Jones said it wasn't a change-over.   Yours,   Darryl  
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:15:15 -0400   How about taking part of that money left in the will and set up an account for ongoing maintenance?     =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville     > Hello gedeckt@usit.net, > > In reference to your comment: > > But now the real question for you and others to spin over...what do you > do when you find a church that wants to buy an organ, has the money, but > cannot afford to maintain the organ? > > Donor dies, leaving them money earmarked specifically for purchase ot a > wonderful organ. The church does not have the wherewithall to maintain > the instrument. Will cannot be broken. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Hmmm. > > Perhaps the builder should insist that the church sign a waiver, stipulating > that the new organ will require X amount of maintenance. A church that wants > an organ is going to buy one, from someone. Once a builder has made the > church aware that maintenance is going to be an issue, his ethical requirements are > met. > > Then the church has to get busy with bake sales and spaghetti suppers. = It > seems to me that if a congregation REALLY wants something, the wherewithall is > found. > > Victoria (with Kimo's input) > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: did I miss something? From: "Tom Jones" <tomj@netpath.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:51:18 -0400   The Beckerath is getting a new console, including an AGO pedalboard, and = all new trackers. I understand no tonal work is planned.   Regards, Tom Jones ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DarrylbytheSea@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: 30 June, 2004 14:48 Subject: Re: did I miss something?     Hey, Bud.   It looks like a dusting and cleaning, as opposed to a re-voicing, etc. = The article was a bit vague about the "real" work being done, but from = what Boyd Jones said it wasn't a change-over.   Yours,   Darryl
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "v hatch" <vhatch@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:23:06 -0500   When you say you are packing for Los Angeles , does that mean you are = going to the AGO meetin July 4-8? I am going to that and I wonder if someone = can tell me: how do people DRESS for this? In case I don't have enough clothes, are there some SECOND HAND stores near the Westin Bonaventure = Hotel on 404 S.Figueroa? I don't mean "vintage" stores--I mean dirt cheap---in San francisco right downtown there were some of the most incredibly cheap used clothing stores I have ever seen in my life!!! What are some good medium priced restaurants near that Westin Hotel? Is it true that it probably won't rain at all during the period July 2 to July 10? I can't remember what kind of clothing a man should wear and not be considered disrespectful as we go into all those different churches----Oh = incidentally I play on a Saville every Sunday--a three manual   >From: Keys4bach@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:47:35 EDT > >In a message dated 6/30/2004 11:22:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, >ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com writes: > > > I'm not saying that E-Orgs can't go 40 or 50 years. They generally > > don't. > >i have a model 5 (?) Baldwin---built in 1956. > >still works everytime i turn it on. > >have not replaced a tube in quite some time. > >maybe they can last a while....... > >snickering as he heads to pack for LA > >dale in Florida   _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =96 get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: AGO convention in LA From: "v hatch" <vhatch@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:44:59 -0500   My posting that carried the subject about the Saville asks some questions about the LA meeting but here are some other very practical things I am wondering: does that YMCA that is right next to the Westin Bonaventure = have a laundromat? Can one use it?   _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up =96 now 3 months = FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:46:21 -0700   Hello Jan,   What part of the country are you in, or what country are you in?   Vern     ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Nijhuis <nijhuis@email.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville     > Wish there were an AGO console in my area to put MIDI keys in ... the = wood console would be attractive and the keys/sound generator(s) can be = replaced over-and-over again as technology fails or changes significantly. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arie Vandenberg <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> > > > I happen to sell E- Orgs, but in my opinion it is best NOT to compare them > > directly to a pipe organ. They are an entity unto themselves. They = are a > > piece of period technology, in other words if an E-org is built in = 1990, it > > will not have 1999 technology in it. As new technology replaces it, = the > > old will only be left as replacement parts, until all gone. There are > > organs out there where the company can no longer support their organs, even > > though they are in business, but no more spare parts. > > > > I'm not saying that E-Orgs can't go 40 or 50 years. They generally > > don't. Electro-pneumatic pipe organs, if well done, should last well > > beyond that. > > > > Arie V. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Arie Vandenberg > > Classic Organbuilders > > ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com > > Tel.: 905-475-1263 > > -- > Jan Nijhuis > nijhuis@email.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! > http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Saville Sovereign Console Available in Knoxville From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:37:04 -0500       TubaMagna:   I realize now that I was hasty and possibly rude in responding to your keen interest in the Saville...woudl you like it shipped UPS or FedEx?   noel jones   > > >