PipeChat Digest #4319 - Monday, March 1, 2004
 
Re: chicago style
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net>
Re: "Pulling Out all the Stops" (was ending NU organ degree   program)(no
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: North Texas State?=DD ...really University of North Texas
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
RE: chicago style
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's!
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: chicago style
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: Lutheran Parishes (Off-topic response)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
what to do while the pipe organ's being repaired
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
what to do, p.s.
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: chicago style
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
RE: chicago style
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
RE: chicago style
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Methodists
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Lutheran Parishes (Off-topic response)
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
RE: chicago style
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's!
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
RE: Methodists
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
RE: chicago style
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: chicago style From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:57:17 -0600   In my own instance I use the word "liberal" for taking into consideration that there may be more than one way of living one's own personal style of life as long as it falls into a spirit of loving one's own fellow human beings and the knowledge that just because on does not agree on everything point by point, their opinion and style may be as viable to them as mine = is to me. James Grebe Piano-Forte Tuning & Repair Artisan of Wood WWW.JamesGrebe.com 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010 pianoman@accessus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: chicago style     > I thought maybe "Chicago-style" worship was like the pizza.......very thick > and heavy! > > I'm not trying to start a religious war here, but somebody tell me what = a > "Missouri synod liberal" is. Perhaps it means within the confines of = that > denomination, but they are not notably liberal. The Mo Synod church in = my > home town calls the ELCA church "the fun Lutherans," and it is NOT a > compliment! > > To keep on topic, I guess we should all stick to our Principals! > > Dennis Steckley > & A Six-Pack of Cats > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: "Pulling Out all the Stops" (was ending NU organ degree program)(now x-posted) From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:57:25 -0800 (PST)   Yes Jon, you make some very good points, and thank you for subtle and = tasteful agreement. Yes, I am very opinionated as to organ programs. After all, Its my money = that aI will be spending to get an eudcation. And its just a fact: A lot = of schools are hiring organ teachers who lack pedogical skills. There is = the old fashioned, natrual-borned abilty to teach organ perfromance that = is null and void in so many younger teachers. I have never had a lesson = with anyone from NU, so I can't comment on a teacher from MY POINT OF = VIEW. When I have a lesson or masterclass with one of them, that's when I = can say one thing or another. However, I have had masterclasses with lots = of people, and I can tell you which schools have very, very good organ = teachers. Or at least ones that I feel comfortable with. Thats what it all = boils down to: who is on the same wavelength as you are as a student. For = example, some people may think that Paul Jacobs is too young to chair the = organ dept at Juilliard. I think that Paul is a great guy, a fantabulous = performer, and very patient. I think that his personality and calm nature will be attractive to students who want a = sweet-natured teacher. Another fine teacher that may be lesser known in Kraig Scott from Walla = Walla College and Whithworth College in central Washington, about 5 hours = from Seattle. Kraig is truly someone that belongs at the head of a = prestigious program. His playing is out of this world. He for example = plays the big Hakim Pentacost piece Episodes on the Tongues of Fire (title = is not verbatim). In the same program he did the E flat Saint Anne wit h a = drive that only is felt when you are in a Farrari. And he did the = Sweelinck Chromatic Fantasy, and tons other stuff. Left the organ without = a drop of sweat off his brow. That indicated to me his technical = dexterity. He played a one hour recital with such forward motion that we = felt like we were only there for about 45 minutes. And don't even get me = started with his teaching. Kraig can teach anyone how to play and does it = well. I had a masterclass with him when working on the Bach "Great" G = Major. He's so interractive. For example, he was patting me on my back as I played to get a different feel of the piece. He took a pencil and = marked happy faces in my score. His point here was this: "What other = pieces by Bach are in G?" I said the Piece D'orgue, and the other G major = P and F and the Preludium. He asked "Whats the mood of G?" I said "Happy". = His attitude during that one lesson with me was energizing, and gave me a = total fresh look on things. Another fine teacher is Stephen Roberts at Western CT State, who I know = personally. As well as George Ritchie, Ann Labounksy at Duquesne, and = Diane Belcher at Westminster. Faythe Freese is another. There are quite a = few. Jeff McLelland who is Region 4 Councellor for AGO is a great teacher = as well, but only does so privately in his home studio in Birmingham, AL. = And the many in the organ world still weeps at the loss of our beloved = James Dale Holloway. There is no telling where Pacific Lutheran U would be = if he were still alive. Jim coached me on the Suite Gothique and I took a = new approach to its registration. When I look for a teacher, I look at his/her credentials, repertoire, and = experience. If there are one too many competitions, that turns me off. If = they are "suitcase professors", how many lessons will we miss? l like to = listen to them play a few pieces. I like to listen to their Church = Musicianship...how they are with hymns, service music, etc. I like to have = a lesson with them to see if I am getting anything out of the lessons? Is = my money being spent well? These things go into account with all of us = when looking at programs for study, even at great schools. As for the program at NU, it seems like the community is getting people to = look at things and other solutions. As Jon states here. there must be = problems in the program. And yes, I will say again, while I don't know = first hand what they are, and while I personally have had no interraction = with NU and the Organ/CM dept, realiable sources do say that things need a = looking at. I can't say that from me because I have not heard any NU = students yet. But, yes, fixing problems is better than putting an end to = them.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail  
(back) Subject: Re: North Texas State?=DD ...really University of North Texas From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:59:14 -0800 (PST)   YES thats right! Two different wind chests for each stop tuning right? That is way simpler than the Fisk/Nanney         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail  
(back) Subject: Re: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:08:04 EST   >Im not trying to be funny, but I guess a Mo Syn Liberal would be like Cooperative or >American Baptists...part of the name indicates one thing, = but their worship and views are >very liberal, i.e. Same Sex couples.   I think a liberal Missouri Synod Lutheran is probably more akin to a = moderate ELCA'er, sort of more like a moderate-liberal Southern Baptist, of which there are some--the FBC in my town is aligned with both the SBC and the Cooperatives.    
(back) Subject: Re: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:11:50 -0800 (PST)   I can say one thing that brings us back to topic. Some Mo Syn Lutherans usually have problems with hiring church musicians = that are not Mo Syn Lutes.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail  
(back) Subject: RE: chicago style From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:29:23 -0600   Are you referring to a specific parish, Bud, or the Synod. The MO Synod DOES allow women to do everything except be Pastor, President, Vice-President, or Elder. The WISCONSIN Synod does not allow women to = vote, etc.   I think the farther away from St. Louis you are, the more open the LCMS congregations tend to be. However, the first LCMS church in St. Louis has quite a following in the gay community, which surrounds the building.   Jeff     > > I forgot to mention that the same church (I think) still doesn't allow > women to vote in Voters' Assembly, but the women COME to Voters' > Assembly and sit with their husbands and give them a sharp elbow in the > ribs if they even TRY to vote the way they think they shouldn't = (chuckle).    
(back) Subject: Re: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's! From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:38:10 -0800   Um, around here, they'll take anybody they can get (grin). I've played summers at my friend's church for twenty years; they KNEW I was an = Anglican.   Of course, *I* remember being told not to use the holy water fonts (!) in a Roman church because I was an Anglican (chuckle).   While I was at Old St. Mary's RC in Cincinnati in the '70s, (nice old 1928 3m Austin, but NOT a recital instrument), I played an all-Bach recital (part of Clavieruebung III) on the little Holtkamp in the chapel of Christ Episcopal Church (now the cathedral); my Roman congregation was OUTRAGED ... "what's the matter? our organ not GOOD enough for you? you can't play in a PROTESTANT church while you're organist here!"   Ah, the Good Old Days ... NOT!   Cheers,   Bud   T.Desiree' Hines wrote:   > I can say one thing that brings us back to topic. > Some Mo Syn Lutherans usually have problems with hiring church musicians =   > that are not Mo Syn Lutes. > > > > > From Desiree' > T. Desiree' Hines > Chicago, IL 60649 > http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailtag_us/*http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools>      
(back) Subject: Re: chicago style From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:40:57 -0800   I dunno ... CAN they decide that by parish or district? It may have changed more recently, but I DEFINITELY remember that women still couldn't vote when they fired that pastor, and that was LESS than 20 years ago.   Cheers,   Bud   Jeff White wrote:   > Are you referring to a specific parish, Bud, or the Synod. The MO Synod > DOES allow women to do everything except be Pastor, President, > Vice-President, or Elder. The WISCONSIN Synod does not allow women to = vote, > etc. > > I think the farther away from St. Louis you are, the more open the LCMS > congregations tend to be. However, the first LCMS church in St. Louis = has > quite a following in the gay community, which surrounds the building. > > Jeff >        
(back) Subject: RE: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:30:19 -0600   I'd say "MOST" Desiree'. I know of none that are like this.   Jeff -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of T.Desiree' Hines Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:12 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's     I can say one thing that brings us back to topic. Some Mo Syn Lutherans usually have problems with hiring church musicians that are not Mo Syn Lutes.    
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Parishes (Off-topic response) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:33:01 -0500   SW4gYSBtZXNzYWdlIGRhdGVkIDMvMS8yMDA0IDE6NDQ6NDQgUE0gRWFzdGVybiBTdGFuZGFy ZCBUaW1lLCBxdWlsaXNtYUBjb3gubmV0IHdyaXRlczoKCj4gSSdNIGN1cmlvdXMgLi4uIHN5 bm9kLXN3aXRjaGluZyBieSBMdXRoZXJhbiBwYXJpc2hlcyBkb2Vzbid0IHNlZW0gdG8gCj4g Y2F1c2UgdGhlIHVwaGVhdmFsIGl0IGRvZXMgaW4gQW5nbGljYW5pc20gLi4uIGRvZXMgdGhl IHByb3BlcnR5IGJlbG9uZyAKPiB0byBpbmRpdmlkdWFsIGNodXJjaGVzLCByYXRoZXIgdGhh biB0aGUgZGlzdHJpY3Qgb3IgCj4gZGVub21pbmF0aW9uPwoKQXMgSSB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIGl0 LCB0aGUgcHJvcGVydHkgYmVsb25ncyB0byB0aGUgaW5kaXZpZHVhbCBjb25ncmVnYXRpb25z LCBub3QgdGhlIGxvY2FsIHN5bm9kLiAgVGhpcyB3YXMgYnJvdWdodCB1cCBpbiBteSBjb25n cmVnYXRpb24gc2V2ZXJhbCB5ZWFycyBhZ28gd2hlbiB0aGVyZSB3YXMgc29tZSB2ZXJ5IG1p bm9yIHRhbGsgYWJvdXQgc29tZSBraW5kIG9mIGRpc2NpcGxpbmUgZm9yIG15IGNvbmdyZWdh dGlvbiBmb3IgaXRzIHZlcnkgbGliZXJhbCB2aWV3cyBhbmQgcG9saWNpZXMuICBBIG1lbWJl ciB3aG8gd2FzIGEgZm9ybWVyIG1pbmlzdGVyLCBleHBsYWluZWQgdGhhdCBpZiBhbnl0aGlu ZyBkaWQgaGFwcGVuIGFuZCB3ZSBkZWNpZGVkIHRvIGxlYXZlIHRoZSBzeW5vZCwgdGhlIGJ1 aWxkaW5nLCBsb3QsIGFuZCBldmVyeXRoaW5nIGNvbnRhaW5lZCB0aGVyZWluIHdlcmUgdGhl IHByb3BlcnR5IG9mIHRoZSBjb25ncmVnYXRpb24uICAKCk9LLCBub3cgdG8gZ2V0IHRoaXMg YmFjayBvbiB0b3BpYzogIFRoZSBjb25ncmVnYXRpb24gaGFzIHZvdGVkIHRvIHNwZW5kICQ1 MDBLKyB0byBoYXZlIFBhdHJpY2sgTXVycGh5IHJlYnVpbGQvYXVnbWVudC9yZXBhaXIvcmVz dG9yZS9ldGMuIG91ciBkZWNyZXBpdCBNb2xsZXIuICBXZSBrbm93IHRoZSBwcm9jZXNzIHdp bGwgcHJvYmFibHkgYmUgYmV0d2VlbiA2IG1vbnRocyB0byBhIHllYXIuICBCeSBzb21lIGFj Y291bnRzLCB0aGUgb3JnYW5pc3QgaXMgdXBzZXQgdGhhdCB0aGUgY291bmNpbCBkZWNpZGVk IHRvIG5peCBoaXMgcmVxdWVzdCB0byBzcGVuZCBhbm90aGVyICQ1MEsgdG8gcmVudCBhIGRp Z2l0YWwvZWxlY3Ryb25pYyBkdXJpbmcgdGhlIHRpbWUgd2UnbGwgYmUgd2l0aG91dCBhbiBv cmdhbi4gIFdlIGRvIGhhdmUgYSByYXRoZXIgbmljZSBLYXdhaSBncmFuZCBwaWFubywgYXMg d2VsbCBhcyBhY2Nlc3MgdG8gc2V2ZXJhbCBkZWNlbnQgZWxlY3Ryb25pYyBrZXlib2FyZHMv c3ludGhlc2l6ZXJzLiAgVGhlcmUgYXJlIHR3byBzY2hvb2xzIG9mIHRob3VnaHQgb24gd2hh dCB0byBkdXJpbmcgdGhhdCB0aW1lLiBPbmUgc2F5cyB0byBqdXN0IHVzZSB0aGUgcGlhbm8s IGF1Z21lbnRpbmcgaXQgd2l0aCBlbGVjdHJvbmljIGtleWJvYXJkcyAmIGluc3RydW1lbnRh bGlzdHMsIGFuZCB0aGVuIHJldmVsIGluIHRoZSBzb3VuZHMgb2YgdGhlIG9yZ2FuIHdoZW4g aXQgaXMgaW5zdGFsbGVkLiAgVGhlIG90aGVyIHNheXMgdGhhdCBpdCB3b3VsZCBiZSB0b28g bXVjaCBvZiBhIGNoYW5nZSB0byBnbyBmcm9tIG9yZ2FuIHRvIGp1c3QgcGlhbm8gcGx1cywg YW5kIHdlIHNob3VsZCB0cnkgdG8gaGF2ZSBhIHJlbnRhbCAoYW5kIHNvbWV3aGF0IGV4cGVu c2l2ZSkgZWxlY3Ryb25pYyB0byB0cnkgdG8gbWFrZSB0aGluZ3Mgc2VlbSBhcyBub3JtYWwg YXMgcG9zc2libGUuICBJJ20gc3VyZSBvdGhlciBmb2xrIG9uIHRoaXMgbGlzdCBoYXZlIGRl YWx0IHdpdGggdGhpcyBiZWZvcmUuICBXaGF0IGFyZSB5b3VyIHRob3VnaHRzIG9uIHRoaXM/ CgpUaGFueCBpbiBhZHZhbmNlLAoKUmljaGFyZCAK  
(back) Subject: what to do while the pipe organ's being repaired From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:04:01 -0800   SURELY *somebody* in the congregation has a Hammond B-3 or an electronic theatre organ or SOMETHING the church could borrow in the interim. DON'T use the piano and/or electronic keyboards ... somebody might get ideas (chuckle).   Used AGO console electronics CAN be had from $500 up here locally ... an old Wurlitzer amplified reed organ would serve nicely, particularly if it has an external Leslie; or even a Baldwin 5 (EEEWWW!) ... it's only for what? 6 months?   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: what to do, p.s. From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:05:56 -0800   Something's fishy about that $50K figure ... $10K will get you the smallest self-contained Rodgers or Allen NEW; BUY one, and stick it in the choir room or a chapel when you're done with it in the church.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: RE: chicago style From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:57:10 -0000   OI! No you can't! We have a catechism - very like an Anglican one!     Will Light Coventry UK   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Keys4bach@aol.com be a methodist--you can believe anything you want.   dale in Florida      
(back) Subject: RE: chicago style From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:57:10 -0000   Is this anything like the Beaumont Folk Mass which we had in the 1950s? Scored for Hammond Organ, Cantor, Choir - in a kind of rocky bee-boppy style? Geoffrey Beaumont was a High-Church Anglican (or Anglo-Catholic) = who worked in the East End of London.   Will Light Coventry UK     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Shirley Sent: 01 March 2004 19:46 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: chicago style   OK, folks here's the scoop. It's "Chicago Folk Service", composed by Al Gorman=20 and introduced in 1988. It is still in print and is published by Augsburg-Fortress. =20 There is an accompaniment version as well as a congregational version.   So if someone talks about "Chicago-style" worship, this may be what = they're=20 referring to.   FYI: There is also a "Detroit Folk Mass", by James H. Harris (Composer) = ; Tillis=20 Butler (Arranger) whose release date was January 1, 1992 .     --Shirley         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: chicago style From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:22:49 -0600   Some congregations may subscribe to that ruling, but most that I know do NOT. Jeff     > > I dunno ... CAN they decide that by parish or district? It may have > changed more recently, but I DEFINITELY remember that women still > couldn't vote when they fired that pastor, and that was LESS than 20 > years ago. >    
(back) Subject: Methodists From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:28:42 -0800   Um, Will, I doubt seriously that American Methodists would recognize their British cousins, and vice versa. American Methodism bears little resemblance to its British counterpart. The average American Methodist has never SEEN a copy of The Discipline, much less READ it ... it only gets dragged out at General Conference to beat you-know-whos over the head (chuckle).   There IS a small group of high-church Methodists; oddly enough they're mostly in Kentucky and Tennessee ... the downtown Methodist church in Gatlinburg, TN has a divided chancel and an altar, 8 a.m. Holy Communion every Sunday, and Sung Morning Prayer (!) at 11, with Holy Communion on the first Sunday of the month, or did ... I haven't been up there in many years.   First Methodist Church in Bartow FL used to have a Sung Holy Communion service with Merbecke, etc. at 11 a.m. once a month, but I imagine that's gone now.   But they're the exceptions ... from what I can tell, MOST American Methodist worship is informal and non-liturgical. John Wesley's Sunday Services are virtually unknown, though the MUSIC for all that IS in the Hymnal, and always HAS been.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Lutheran Parishes (Off-topic response) From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:21:18 -0800 (PST)   Hmmm Thats a mlo tjust to rent when you can get an old used one for 10 K. 50 K = just to RENT? My dear, Thats a rip off.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail  
(back) Subject: RE: chicago style From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:28:26 -0500   At 03:57 PM 3/1/2004, Will Light wrote: >Is this anything like the Beaumont Folk Mass which we had in the 1950s? >Scored for Hammond Organ, Cantor, Choir - in a kind of rocky bee-boppy >style? Geoffrey Beaumont was a High-Church Anglican (or Anglo-Catholic) = who >worked in the East End of London.   That brings back memories! In the 50's and 60's Geoffrey Beaumont was all =   the rage in my church in London. The Rector went for his music, the Organist did too, and of course the choirboys reckoned that he was the "cat's whiskers"! I think that somewhere in amongst all my old music I might even have a copy of his Folk Mass!   The only problem was that most of the congregation hated it! They = demanded that we use the "old" hymns and our regular Merbecke service. Eventually, =   it all died a natural death, but it was chaos for a few years! There was one redeeming feature, as I recall, it did use the organ and not a pseudo rock group!   I imagine that it is a case of "What comes around, - Goes around!"   Bob Conway      
(back) Subject: Re: chicago style...off topic Mo Syn's! From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:29:35 -0800 (PST)   Yep lol I remember one church who said they'd prefer a practicing Mo Syn Lute. And = some Catholic jobs on NPM Site only want practicing Catholics. Do they = know the AGO code?         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail  
(back) Subject: RE: Methodists From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:46:25 -0000   At my home church, where I was brought up, we didn't exactly have a sung liturgy, but the choir did sing the Canticles and chant the psalm as = well as doing an anthem every week. Alas that church is no more - shut down = about 7 years after I left there. We have a new Service Book now - came out = about 2 or 3 years ago. Until that happened, we used to sing responses in the liturgy - but now we have a plethora of different services with = different responses in each, and I don't know if anybody has written settings for = them yet. I'm thinking I might have to do it myself, as several people have = said that they missed the sung parts of the communion service.   Will Light Coventry UK     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of quilisma@cox.net Sent: 01 March 2004 21:29 To: PipeChat Subject: Methodists   Um, Will, I doubt seriously that American Methodists would recognize=20 their British cousins, and vice versa. American Methodism bears little=20 resemblance to its British counterpart. The average American Methodist=20 has never SEEN a copy of The Discipline, much less READ it ... it only=20 gets dragged out at General Conference to beat you-know-whos over the=20 head (chuckle).   There IS a small group of high-church Methodists; oddly enough they're=20 mostly in Kentucky and Tennessee ... the downtown Methodist church in=20 Gatlinburg, TN has a divided chancel and an altar, 8 a.m. Holy Communion =   every Sunday, and Sung Morning Prayer (!) at 11, with Holy Communion on=20 the first Sunday of the month, or did ... I haven't been up there in=20 many years.   First Methodist Church in Bartow FL used to have a Sung Holy Communion=20 service with Merbecke, etc. at 11 a.m. once a month, but I imagine=20 that's gone now.   But they're the exceptions ... from what I can tell, MOST American=20 Methodist worship is informal and non-liturgical. John Wesley's Sunday=20 Services are virtually unknown, though the MUSIC for all that IS in the=20 Hymnal, and always HAS been.   Cheers,   Bud       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: chicago style From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:46:25 -0000   I've still got a copy of it, AND the two books of hymns that went with = it - and the only thing that is left now, really, is the tune GRACIAS for = "Now Thank we all our God" which has found its way into most hymnbooks now. = Can you remember that wonderful soupy waltz tune for "There's a Wideness in God's Mercy, like the wideness of the sea"?   Will Light Coventry UK     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Bob Conway Sent: 01 March 2004 21:28 To: PipeChat Subject: RE: chicago style   At 03:57 PM 3/1/2004, Will Light wrote: >Is this anything like the Beaumont Folk Mass which we had in the 1950s? >Scored for Hammond Organ, Cantor, Choir - in a kind of rocky bee-boppy >style? Geoffrey Beaumont was a High-Church Anglican (or Anglo-Catholic) = who >worked in the East End of London.   That brings back memories! In the 50's and 60's Geoffrey Beaumont was = all=20 the rage in my church in London. The Rector went for his music, the=20 Organist did too, and of course the choirboys reckoned that he was the=20 "cat's whiskers"! I think that somewhere in amongst all my old music I=20 might even have a copy of his Folk Mass!   The only problem was that most of the congregation hated it! They = demanded=20 that we use the "old" hymns and our regular Merbecke service. = Eventually,=20 it all died a natural death, but it was chaos for a few years! There = was=20 one redeeming feature, as I recall, it did use the organ and not a = pseudo=20 rock group!   I imagine that it is a case of "What comes around, - Goes around!"   Bob Conway     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org