PipeChat Digest #4341 - Thursday, March 4, 2004
 
RE: Cincinnati (off-topic)
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Racism...Get Over it.
  by <Wdh2@aol.com>
Re: Desiree - Bud?
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Conservatory styled programs in Major cites
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Racism...Get Over it.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Singing from a jumbotron
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: We have an anonymous Repub in the house
  by <Praestant@aol.com>
Re: Doug Cleveland
  by <Praestant@aol.com>
Re: Singing from a jumbotron
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Abbott's Leigh=A0=A0 ----=A0 Re: Ep iscopal hymns
  by <Praestant@aol.com>
ALL READ!
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: We have an anonymous Repub in the house
  by "Dave McClellan" <dave_mcclellan@yahoo.com>
Re: Music of Gordon Young
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
RE: Jumbotrons and such
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Cincinnati (off-topic) From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:02:08 -0000   As well as the Newport KY bell, which is supposed the largest cast bell, = I have seen a bell in the tower at the cathedral at Cologne in Germany = which they claim is the largest bell in the world which is rung by swinging = it. Apparently there are larger but they are all hit by a hammer as in a carillon.   =20   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Alan Freed Sent: 04 March 2004 21:55 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Cincinnati (off-topic)   =20   On 3/4/04 3:02 PM, "RMB10@aol.com" <RMB10@aol.com> wrote:   That's the World Peace Bell, the largest cast bell in the world, which = was designed by the Verdin Company.     Hmmmm. Well, if anybody could do it, they could. But I wonder. I've = heard the same said of the largest bell at Riverside Church, NYC-or was that = "the largest cast TUNED bell in the world"? I've also heard it said of a = pretty big bell at the Kremlin-but that one happens to be broken (a big chunk = broke out of it many years ago). =20   We got any bell freaks who can resolve it? =20   Alan=20      
(back) Subject: Racism...Get Over it. 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(back) Subject: Re: Desiree - Bud? From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:27:03 -0800   Raymond Harold Clark Jr. born: August 17, 1944 where: Biltmore Hospital, Asheville NC parents: Raymond Harold and Dorothy Hubbard Clark baptized: Palm Sunday, 1945, Mulberry Methodist Church, Mulberry Fl confirmed: Sept. 1962, St. John's Episcopal Church, Tallahassee FL attended: Oberlin Conservatory, Sept. 1962-January 1965 teacher: Fenner Douglass graduated: Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music, June 1971 major: organ performance teacher: Roberta Gary attended: Southern Methodist University, 1971-1972 teacher: Robert Anderson     Um, I think you'll find the bios don't quite add up. This has ceased to be funny.   Bud   noel jones wrote:   > Ok, you two....I have seen the pictures and I am still not convinced! > > noel jones > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Conservatory styled programs in Major cites From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:10:21 -0500   on 3/4/04 4:12 PM, Keys4bach@aol.com at Keys4bach@aol.com wrote:   In a message dated 3/4/2004 1:00:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, octaaf@charter.net writes: No Tax Cut for my house either. big one for me and helped immensely----able to pay all bills on time   dale in florida     Service Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio 10:30 a.m., Sunday, March 7, 2004   Prelude: Prelude in E Camille Saint-Saens Setting no. 1 in the Lutheran Book of Worship Hymn: How Firm a Foundation Offertory: Cantilene Clement Loret Communion Anthem: Turn Thy Face from My Sins Thomas Attwood Hymn: Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God Postlude: Final Clement Loret   We also do Wednesday night services in Lent. For that I do a longer prelude. Last night it was Jean Langlais' De profundis and Herbert = Howells' Psalm Prelude no. 1, set 2--i.e., "Out of the Depths." Two radically different ways at looking at the same Psalm verse.   Sat down with my tax lady today. Her office is in a double-wide trailer on an Indiana farm; I gazed at her Guernseys (or was it Jerseys?) through the window as she did the numbers. Result: my wife and I owe $1000 more this year than last, so I don't know about any tax cut. Doesn't seem to have trickled down to our bracket yet.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu        
(back) Subject: Re: Racism...Get Over it. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:13:22 -0500   On 3/4/04 5:06 PM, "Wdh2@aol.com" <Wdh2@aol.com> wrote:   > I have watched your posts both here and (though not lately) on PipOrg-L.   Warren. Thank you. As you realize, you can say things that most of us cannot. I'm going to drop you a note off-list, just for the fun of it.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Singing from a jumbotron From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:34:31 -0500   on 3/4/04 2:12 PM, Larry Wheelock at llwheels@mac.com wrote:   I found that holding one's head up and actually seeing the > worshippers around you singing can be a very uplifting (no pun > intended) experience.   Actually, I rather like some aspects of this. Positives of a screen: (1) Heads up, not down; (2) folks looking around at other folks instead of = down at their hymnal; (3) everyone looking at the same thing (the screen) = instead of being in their own private world. Result: greater sense of community.   I don't see how it would work in our church, though. There would have to = be two screens, unless we placed the screen in front of the altar, which = would destroy the visual beauty of the sanctuary. And in our church, we sing = very well already, thank you very much. When it's a hymn they all know, = there's no way they could sing any more lustily than they do already. In fact, they're possibly not looking down at their hymnals all that much if it's a familiar hymn anyway. Though I can't tell from my perch in the rear balcony, with my back to the proceedings.   Question: on big screens are the notes up there, or just the words?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu     >    
(back) Subject: Re: We have an anonymous Repub in the house From: <Praestant@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 18:39:26 EST     In a message dated 4.3.04 12.39.07 PM, docamy@alltel.net writes:     > WRT Iraq - > we stood up for oppressed people when they could not stand up for > themselves.=A0 I have a lady working for me whose son is in Iraq and she i= s > 100% behind the invasion >=20   I am 100% behind the troops, who had no choice. WRT Iraq, Bush most likely=20 had decided to find a reason to invade well before the unhappy occurrences o= f=20 9/11/01. It's all about oil and giving billion-dollar contracts to Bush cron= ies.=20 Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Halliburton, Bechtel, all couldn't give a flipping=20 care for the 'oppressed people' anywhere, it's all about the money and the=20 power.   But someone wants us back on organs. Can you believe someone paid well over=20 $600 for that Roland digital 'organ' thing recently on eBay? Sam Ash had one= on=20 sale a year or so back for $250 on clearance and couldn't get rid of the dam= n=20 thing.    
(back) Subject: Re: Doug Cleveland From: <Praestant@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 18:42:54 EST     In a message dated 4.3.04 12.41.17 PM, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes:     > Someone even very rudely commented on the Ruffatti organ at Coral Ridge > calling it a "chainsaw". Why did they call it a "chainsaw"? Probably = because a > lot of other organists badmouth that wonderful instrument, and Fratelli > Ruffatti. >   I stand corrected, it really doesn't sound like a chainsaw. It's more like = a wood chipper. And the Ruffatti people themselves shake their heads when = people ask about that instrument and say, "We don't build organs like that = anymore." Thanks be to God!    
(back) Subject: Re: Singing from a jumbotron From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:12:08 -0500   On 3/4/04 6:34 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > Question: on big screens are the notes up there, or just the words? > From what I've been told by many: Only the words (perhaps in color). = There may be a few who offer the melody line. I've not heard of any that offer four-part harmony.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Abbott's Leigh=A0=A0 ----=A0 Re: Ep iscopal hymns From: <Praestant@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:13:07 EST     In a message dated 4.3.04 3.54.37 PM, glawn@jam.rr.com writes:     > Paul, I have never thought of using Abbott's Leigh as the tune for=20 > "Glorious > things of Thee are spoken."=A0 Abbott's Leigh is one of the favorite tunes= of > my church and choir using the words, >=20   Abbott's Leigh was written as an alternative to Austria, for those to whom=20 "Deutschland Uber Alles" had unpleasant, to say the least, connotations.    
(back) Subject: ALL READ! From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 18:37:55 -0600   OK Folks, take a BREATH and RELAX! <G.   Now, tensions have been rising between some of you and in many cases we have gotten very far away from the purpose of this list. The argument between "traditional" music and "CCM" is just another of those discussions that is an unending battle just like the battle between Pipe Organs and Electronic substitutes. All the arguing in the world isn't going to change what the other person thinks. Each side has their own valid opinions based on their experience and all the commentary will probably not change the other sides opinions. So let not fight over this.   One very definite rule however - Politics and political opinions are NOT proper here on this list. i don't care what political party you belong to or weither you like/hate the Bushes/Clintons that is your own OPINION and those OPINIONS DO NOT BELONG ON THIS LIST!! There are plenty of other lists and places to get into those discussions/arguments but NOT HERE!   And can I request AGAIN <G> that you edit your replies to the list. Some of the posts I have read today could have used a bunch of editing.   Now, after we all have taken our breath and relaxed a bit let us get back to HAPPY PIPEChatting!!   David   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: We have an anonymous Repub in the house From: "Dave McClellan" <dave_mcclellan@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:45:00 -0800 (PST)   No replies needed - I'm off this list.   The Supreme Court of the United States told the State of Florida that if it wanted to recount the votes in the 2000 election that would be just fine. But .. if those votes were going to be recounted then ALL of the votes would be recounted, not just those votes in heavily Democrat areas, and the same standard would be applied to the recount through out the state. Simply put, if the State of Florida would recount all of the votes using the same standards as to which votes counted and which did not, fine. If the State wanted to just count the votes where Democrats had a chance of picking up some numbers, and if the State wanted to apply different standards to different voting areas, not fine. The Florida Supreme Court then decided to stop the recount (damn that pesky equal protection clause) and the Florida results were certified.   Now =85 about this =93African-Americans, senior Americans, new Americans were deprived of their right to vote. African-Americans 10 times greater than other Americans in Florida=94 nonsense. Show us the proof! Look, the U.S. Civil Rights commission held hearings in Florida to investigate this baloney about blacks being kept away from the polls in Florida. All of the race warlords showed up to complain about the evil tactics of Republicans during the election =85 but not one of these race warlords could come up with one single solitary living breathing duly registered black voter in the entire State of Florida, from Pensacola to Key West, not one single black voter who could say that he or she was kept from the polls and denied their right to cast their vote. NOT ONE! To this very day neither Florida nor national Democrats have been able to produce one single black Floridian who was denied their opportunity to cast a legal vote during in the 2000 election. So, Senator Lieberman, can we give this race-baiting nonsense a rest?   Oh, and by the way, Senator Lieberman. This might be a good time to remind you that while the recount fiasco was proceeding in Florida it was you and your running mate, Al Gore, who shipped a few busloads of attorneys to the State of Florida. They were assigned to election offices in almost all Florida counties with goal. That goal was to look at absentee ballots from American men and women in uniform serving in our armed forces overseas =85 and to do everything in their power to see to it that those votes of our servicemen didn=92t count.     There is no doubt in the world that our system of government education is an unqualified disaster. Is it at all possible that this is by design rather than by happenstance? Our education system is controlled by Democrats. Teacher=92s unions overwhelmingly vote Democrat and about 90% of their political contributions go to Democrat candidates. Now --- another fact. The dumber you are; or, if you prefer, the more ignorant you are, the more likely it is you are going to vote Democrat. Can you see, then, that Democrats have a vested interest in making sure that our schools don=92t do the job?         __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Music of Gordon Young From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:52:33 +0800   Thank you Desiree, I have been to Sheet Music Plus, which has a long = list of his works for organ and for choir. I haven't my organ music at = home here and can't remember the names of the books I have to reply to = your question. I'll have a look when I am at the church. The Sheet = Music Plus List poses the problem of what to purchase (I'm not a paid = organist! But you probably saw that in other posts over the past = months!) Yes I know there is some intellectual snobbery as usual, with = Young as the target. I couldn't care less about that. Some of his music = may be a little trite but much of it is tuneful, original, I like it and = it goes over well with our congregation. So what? Let Young's critics = wallow in their blinkered outlook. Other composers have been the target = for similar criticism in the past and survived. Bob Elms   PS: Try as I might I don't seem to be able to send private emails on = pipechat. Everything goes to the List. Unfortunately your post does not = show your email addy here, so to the list it goes.     ----- Original Message -----=20 From: T.Desiree' Hines=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 1:51 AM Subject: Re: Music of Gordon Young     Oh hunny...you've done come to the right place! I love me some GY.=20   Harold Flammer/Shawnee Press=20 Hope has some collections of his Lorenz/SMP as well   What collections of his do you have? I think I have all the ones that = are in print. The G minor Passacaglia from Organ Solos for Worship and = Recital (HF/SP) is a great Lent postlude. And the Pavane in D minor in = GY Organ Music (pub. Lorenz) is a great undulating prelude. I usually = start a cresendo at the trilly parts and end up on full organ, keeping a = feel of the dramatic part of the Prelude from Durufle's Suite, and go = back down to just the Dulciana and 16 L Ged.=20   Its funny...his music pleases people. Several Organist critique it. = But we all praised his money when he gave 500K to AGO, did'nt we?       From Desiree'=20 T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster.  
(back) Subject: RE: Jumbotrons and such From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:12:02 -0600   > I'm not blaming you for choosing a word that conveys a meaning > clearly. You wrote "contemporary" and we all know what you > meant. You didn't think it up. But someone did. And my first > objection is: there is something either airheaded, arrogant, or > Orwellian in hijacking the word "contemporary" to refer > exclusively to music of that style, as its purveyors are wont to > do. If we're asked to perform contemporary music, is there some > reason that a composition of Naji Hakim, Peter Maxwell Davies, or > Arvo Paart wouldn't qualify?   Paul, absolutely! The "C" word is not used at Holy Trinity (MY Holy Trinity, not Charlie's), we call it Praise. However, there is a wealth of hymns that qualify as "Praise" music. So (sincerely), what word would be better? It would be nice to have a term which classifies that style ("X") of music. I have one or two people (and they're married) in our church = who are MILITANT that we MUST have a praise service once a month (and would = love to have it MORE). If we use (HEAVEN FORBID) a HYMN, he's up in arms. If = we don't do something "Praise-y" enough, he's up in arms. (OK, I'm = supporting some of you nay-sayers now, ain't I? GRIN) But, this is a MINOR voice in = a few hundred who are fine with whatever we give them (Trad or CCM). So, = it's a BIG BIG BIG gray area because our keyboardist can adeptly take the most somber hymn and (excuse the term) "jazz" it up, and lo, and behold..."He" = is OK with it!!!! Talk about frustration!   A lot of my "yelling" on list the past couple of days came about because = we are NOT having a "Praise" service in Lent, and yet again, this man brought it to the Worship Committee, who, by the way, totally support that. He = was appeased by Pastor promising him that we'd do a couple extra ones in = Easter. SIGH I don't care if we do or don't, I'm just tired of having my time wasted going over this AGAIN and AGAIN. Do I enjoy the Praise service? Sure! Do I miss the organ on those Sundays? You bet your boots! Would I care if we never had one again? Not particularly? Will I support their right to like it, want it, and perform it? You bet!!!   THAT, my colleagues, is my main point, and Charlie and Monty have = addressed it in better ways than I. It has a place. It doesn't have to be the ONLY place, and YES, you CAN successfully blend it all together. But AGAIN, let's not lose focus on why that church is standing there in the first place, and HE that surpasses all understanding is the reason.   Happy Lent!   Jeff