PipeChat Digest #4343 - Friday, March 5, 2004
 
Re: Certain Organ apperiti...oops the apparati part
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Certain Organ apperiti and their first appearances.
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re:We have an anonymous Repub in the house--off topic
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Desiree - Bud?
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
First Presbyterian, Kilgore TX
  by "Jay Callender" <jaycallender@sbcglobal.net>
Fwd: Diapason free sample
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re:We have an anonymous Repub in the house--off topic
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: We have an anonymous Repub in the house--off topic
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: We have an anonymous Repub in the house
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
Re: Methodists
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Methodists
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Episcopal hymns
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Methodists (off-topic)
  by "Alvin Wen" <wen@rochester.rr.com>
Re: Desiree - Bud?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Fan Trumpets are not en chamade
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Methodists (off-topic)
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Methodists (off-topic)
  by "Alvin Wen" <wen@rochester.rr.com>
Corno di Bassetto
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Methodists (off-topic)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Certain Organ apperiti and their first appearances.
  by <Praestant@aol.com>
RE: Singing from a jumbotron
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: RE: Singing from a jumbotron
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: Fan Trumpets are not en chamade
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
CCM terminology
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: St.Turibius
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re:The Tuba at York
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Another interesting apparatus
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Certain Organ apperiti...oops the apparati part From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 03:08:51 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Compton used these in the UK.   Quite a lot of modern day toasters have illiminated, tilting tabs, of course.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Praestant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4.3.04 8.48.34 PM, > nicemusica@yahoo.com writes: > > > Which organ builder today makes consoles with > luminated, push button stops?     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Certain Organ apperiti and their first appearances. From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 03:19:27 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   The blistering, paint-stripping Orchestral Trumpet of Hull City Hall, here in the UK (25" wg) was the inspiration for the "Trumpet Minuet" composed by the blind City Organist at the time, Alfred Hollins.   I was once tempted to compose a piece called "Organum" in four parts, but written only in two, with lots of parallel fifths. This was inspired by a particularly piquant Quintaton!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote: > Ok some "organistic" conversation > > Who can think of unique stops and their first > appearances and their contribution to our > repertoire.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re:We have an anonymous Repub in the house--off topic From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:54:25 EST   >Anyone who would say that they would not play an organ because it has the =   name >Roosevelt on it is nuts.   > >It means you should never play a Roosevelt organ, for one thing :-) Are =   you so >>embarrassed about your political persuasion that you can't sign = your name? >> >>Robert Lind   Let's just set the record straight here....Mr. Lind was making a joke = about about my political party. I had made a reply to a post and, in haste, forgotten to sign my name. In the post, I had questioned what one's = affiliation to the Republican party had to do with organs, since I am a Republican and an =   organist. The above quoted reply about not playing Roosevelt organs was = from him, not me. Actually, I have never played a complete Roosevelt organ because = I've never had the opportunity to play an unaltered Roosevelt. I've played = organs that started life as Roosevelts but have been rebuilt and enlarged and butchered so many times that only one or two ranks in them are Roosevelt, = or only part of a rank was Roosevelt. My political party doesn't affect what kind = of instrument I play, what kind of church I play for, what kind of church I = will play a concert in, what kind of friends I have(one of my best friends is--gasp!-get a load of this--Black and gay, and a hold on to your seats = now--a Republican!), etc. I have lots of friends and family with differing = political opinions. That's what I enjoy about the United States. We have the = freedom to have differing opinions and we can all still get along. Oh, and guess, = what....even though I'm a Republican, I didn't vote for Bush in the last election, and = I probably won't vote for him in this election, either. I'm looking for = other options--it's doesn't mean that I'm going to vote Democrat, but at least = in the USA we have options.   Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree - Bud? From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:57:43 EST   >Sebastian M. Gluck >Temple Beth You'z My Woman Now >Catfish Row >Gershwin. Mississippi   LOLOLOLOLOLOL   Having seen pictures of both Bud and Desiree and knowing both their = writing styles, I know that they are not the same person.   Sebastian, I love the name of the new temple.   Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: First Presbyterian, Kilgore TX From: "Jay Callender" <jaycallender@sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 04:59:34 -0800 (PST)   Desiree' and List, The longtime organist/choirmaster at First Presbyterian in Kilgore was Roy = Perry, not Rob Roy Peery, although it's easy to understood the confusion = given the similarity of the names. Mr. Perry, as many of you know, was a central figure in the organ = community in the South Central US during his lifetime. As Aeolian-Skinner = rep in the region, he designed and sold many notable instruments, = including some in what some people might call out-of-the-way places. For = example, here in the Longview-Kilgore "metroplex", we have three very = grand Aeolian-Skinners - the aforementioned organ at First Presbyterian in = Kilgore, the rather famous instrument at First Baptist in Longview, and = the less well-known but equally remarkable smaller instrument (40 rks) at = St. Luke's United Methodist Church in Kilgore. The First Presbyterian organ is almost always credited as having the first = en-chamade reed in the US (the Barnes book says so) but I believe the = reference to the earlier organ in California is correct. Jay Callender Longview, TX    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Diapason free sample From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:17:42 -0600   >Request a free sample copy of the March issue of The Diapason. >Cover: Walsh & Tidwell, Westwood United Methodist Church, Los >Angeles, California. >Features: "Memorial service for Catharine Crozier Gleason," by Lee >Garrett; "University of Michigan 24th International Organ and Church >Music Institute," by Alan J. Knight; "50th anniversary of >Aeolian-Skinner Opus 1216, First United Methodist Church, Tacoma, >Washington," by Herbert L. Huestis; "Dupre 80th anniversary recital, >First Congregational Church, Oshkosh, Wisconsin," by Ralph >DiBiasio-Synder; "A Simple Unity: Interview with D. A. Flentrop >(1910-2003)," by Jan-Piet Knijff; "A History of the L'Organo Recital >Series of the Piccolo Spoleto Festival," by William D. Gudger. >News, Here & There, Appointments, Nunc Dimittis, reviews of books, >scores, recordings, new organ stoplists, calendar, organ recital >programs. > >Send your request to editor Jerome Butera, jbutera@sgcmail.com >First-time requests only.     -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re:We have an anonymous Repub in the house--off topic From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 05:45:18 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Well I'm glad that Monty has got the Roosevelt thing off his chest!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- RMB10@aol.com wrote: Actually, I have never played a complete > Roosevelt organ...... My political party > doesn't affect what kind of > instrument I play   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: We have an anonymous Repub in the house--off topic From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:53:31 EST   In a message dated 3/5/2004 8:46:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:   > got the Roosevelt thing > off his chest! >   now if we could get that other Roosevelt thing off of our backs.........   running and hiding for weeks....   dale in florida    
(back) Subject: Re: We have an anonymous Repub in the house From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:55:28 -0600   Listers, The most prejudiced, bigoted, evil people I know and avoid are the very = ones who preach tolerance and touchy-feely liberalism. I joined these lists to learn from you all about ORGANS. I have had to endure drive-by anti-Bush/Republican/Conservative ad hominem attacks from other listers = for the entire time. Hatred is an evil agenda. I will pray for you. I am tired and now will unsubscribe. Mr. Berley Antoine Firmin II Bayou La Combe, Louisiana      
(back) Subject: Re: Methodists From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 08:32:01 -0600       Myosotis51@aol.com wrote: > Hello Bud, > > > In reference to your comment: > > The average American Methodist > has never SEEN a copy of The Discipline, much less READ it ... it = only > gets dragged out at General Conference to beat you-know-whos over = the > head (chuckle). > > I consider myself an "average American Methodist," and I HAVE a copy of > the discipline. It DOES make a great weapon, though. <g> >     In my childhood Meth. church, the discipline is the "Sunday School" lesson book for high school juniors - studied the whole year. Then the senior year is devoted to a study of comparative religion - learning the differences in doctrine/dogma and visiting worship at other churches, including Roman Catholic and Jewish, as well as other Protestant. I don't know how widespread that practice is - I don't even know if the church I currently serve does this - I've never asked. They also included an overview of the discipline in adult new member classes - which I think we do here also.   I can't imagine a Methodist having no familiarity with the discipline. After all, we do say you can believe "anything" but that is within reason. I think we just have a shorter list than most churches of things you HAVE to believe - but we have a big ole book full of things that are, I guess you would say, highly recommended - the official positions of the church. And they are the things that make us specifically Methodist - and not Presby or Baptist or whatever. Because the basic things you HAVE to believe are pretty much the same as all the other churches.   Of course, there are probably lots of people out there in the pews who pick their church because they like the preacher, or the choir director, or it has a pretty building, or the location is convenient. And they are most likely the ones that create the revolving door aspect of the Methodist church that results from our frequent reassignment of ministers. Every time we change, there is a percentage of the congregation who move - to other Meth. churches, to the Presbyterians, etc. - then when we change ministers again (or when they do) we get some of those same people back. I've never understood people who pick a church by its trappings - or leave over temporary or cosmetic issues. Maybe it's the old is the church the building/leaders or the body of believers issue. We've even had people leave over the colors of carpet or walls. [heavy sigh] There's no people like church people. As Screwtape says, getting someone involved in a church is one of the best methods for the devil to get 'em.   Margo   By the way - I have several copies of the discipline - including some early 20th century and late 19th century ones. Interesting to read the old ones. Wow - we were really some stuffed shirt, stick-in-the-mud, don't you dare have any fun kind of folks.....      
(back) Subject: Re: Methodists From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:40:11 EST   In a message dated 3/5/2004 9:31:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, dillardm@airmail.net writes:   > I can't imagine a Methodist having no familiarity with the discipline. >   then you have not been around to many different UMC churches in different cities. you mention later in the post that the people come and go with = preacher appointments and who is offering the latest and flashiest. Those kind of people have no stake in Methodism and would not read it let alone own one.   The farther south you go the more "Baptist" they become 'Open Doors Open Arms" means come and get it. A big difference between UMC and Unitarian = Uni's is the Trinity.....wait, that might be the ONLY difference.   dale in Florida whom went to UM seminary and kinda sorta knows what he is =   talking about.    
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal hymns From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 08:43:57 -0600   On those occasions when I have used a piece of organ music which is based on the same tune as a a hymn being sung that day where the title to the piece of organ music is the name of a different hymn (which happens to be the same tune) or the title refers to the wrong season - I change the title to the name of the hymn for that day - Prelude/Variation/whatever on "xxx". Yes - the composer probably rolls over - but why put the title in the bulletin if not to inform and give more meaning to the piece for the congregation.   Now in the case of a Daquin Noel for Lent....perhaps a bit too spritely a setting. Or - I might suggest using it for a postlude instead of a prelude. It is hard enough to find postludes suitable for Lent anyway. Not a lot of fast/loud Lent music out there...   Margo   Emmons, Paul wrote: >>"A la venue de Noel" is a serious problem for me, and why I posed the = question of how others deal with it. > > > I entirely agree with your desire frequently to play voluntaries based = on the hymn tunes. > > The problem with "A la venue de Noel", to me, is not the lack of pieces = based on it but the lack of pieces that have Lent in mind. As its name = implies, it is a Christmas tune. Louis-Claude Daquin and contemporaries = have set it (e.g. Daquin's Noel no. 1). It is also known as "the carol of = the birds." We, too will sing this hymn and it occurred to me to play = this piece as a prelude. Howeer, I doubt that it would give off the right = vibes spiritually to use a Christmas piece for Lent (especially such a = sprightly one as this), even though it is the same melody. Furthermore, = the composer would probably roll in his grave at the idea of playing the = organ *at all* on the second Sunday in Lent. > > I wish that hymnal compilers wouldn't do this kind of thing. >    
(back) Subject: Re: Methodists (off-topic) From: "Alvin Wen" <wen@rochester.rr.com> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 09:48:15 -0500   At 09:32 AM 3/5/2004, Margo Dillard wrote: >Of course, there are probably lots of people out there in the pews who >pick their church because they like the preacher, or the choir director, >or it has a pretty building, or the location is convenient. And they are =   >most likely the ones that create the revolving door aspect of the >Methodist church that results from our frequent reassignment of >ministers. Every time we change, there is a percentage of the >congregation who move - to other Meth. churches, to the Presbyterians, >etc. - then when we change ministers again (or when they do) we get some >of those same people back. I've never understood people who pick a = church >by its trappings - or leave over temporary or cosmetic issues.   So which is the preacher--a trapping, a temporary issue, or a cosmetic = one?   -Alvin        
(back) Subject: Re: Desiree - Bud? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:01:49 -0500   On 3/5/04 2:14 AM, "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> wrote:   > St Who??   Turibius. There were two of them. Both Spanish. One about 7th century, the other during the Reformation (a lawyer, sent as bishop to Lima, Peru).   Alan    
(back) Subject: Fan Trumpets are not en chamade From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:22:30 EST   Fan Trumpets and horizontal trumpets are two different things. Hooded reeds are not considered chamades, either, despite the stop = name found at Saint Sulpice... And then there are those hooded Corni di Bassetto of Willis...   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Methodists (off-topic) From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:53:36 EST   In a message dated 3/5/2004 9:49:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, wen@rochester.rr.com writes:     > So which is the preacher--a trapping, a temporary issue, or a cosmetic = one? > > -Alvin   Whatever . . . not a topic to start another endless nonrelated thread on = this list. Please take it elsewhere along with all the other non-organ related stuff that has been filling up my mailbox all week.    
(back) Subject: Re: Methodists (off-topic) From: "Alvin Wen" <wen@rochester.rr.com> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:12:57 -0500   At 10:53 AM 3/5/2004, DudelK@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/5/2004 9:49:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, >wen@rochester.rr.com writes: > >>So which is the preacher--a trapping, a temporary issue, or a cosmetic = one? >> >>-Alvin > >Whatever . . . not a topic to start another endless nonrelated thread on >this list. Please take it elsewhere along with all the other non-organ >related stuff that has been filling up my mailbox all week.   DudelK, I couldn't agree with you more. I've only been subscribed to this list for two weeks, and I'm hoping that the past two weeks of traffic have been an aberration rather than the norm.   I'm a little miffed that you singled out my first-ever message to PipeChat for your displeasure (what about the hundreds of other irrelevant messages that have gone by?) but I agree that my message deserves it as much as any other.   Regards, -Alvin    
(back) Subject: Corno di Bassetto From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:17:29 -0600   Somehow my opening Sebastain's message (in part below) just now got me to writing a limerick, for which I apologize:   There once was a Corno d'Bassetto That ciphered during a stretto; It stood like a sentry Through each fugal entry But now is singing falsetto.   I don't recommend this method of getting rid of ciphers. Robert Lind     .... And then there are those hooded Corni di Bassetto of Willis...   Sebastian M. Gluck          
(back) Subject: Re: Methodists (off-topic) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:28:34 -0500   On 3/5/04 11:12 AM, "Alvin Wen" <wen@rochester.rr.com> wrote:   > I've only been subscribed to this list for two weeks, and I'm hoping that > the past two weeks of traffic have been an aberration rather than the nor= m.   Alvin, I=B9m happy to tell you that we=B9ve NOT been ourselves lately. The lis= t of the past couple weeks would NOT be the success that this list, in fact, IS. =20   Hang on. This phase shall pass (and the sooner the better).   Alan Freed www.stlukesnyc.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Certain Organ apperiti and their first appearances. From: <Praestant@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:41:02 EST   In a message dated 5.3.04 12.10.24 AM, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:   > Would the old Jardine's of the last centrury, lately of St. Pat's and > St. George's in NYC qualify as Trumpets enchamade although hooded? > but in the open? > If they're what I'm thinking of, they were "fan trumpets" and not hooded.    
(back) Subject: RE: Singing from a jumbotron From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:45:16 -0500   > Then there's the need to have someone create the slides for the = service on Powerpoint or some other presentation software, along with = (hopefully!) hard copy of the bulletin for those who either can't see = the screens or hate them so much they refuse to look at them at all. = Then you need volunteers to run the system because WE certainly can't = (or can we? Hmmm...mental telepathy links...) =20 How do they get around the copyright police?   I've been told that if a piece of music is under copyright, it's illegal = even to write the melody on a blackboard for a choir rehearsal.           > =20  
(back) Subject: Re: RE: Singing from a jumbotron From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:53:23 +0000   This would be covered by a CCLI license.   Jeff     Then there's the need to have someone create the slides for the service on = Powerpoint > How do they get around the copyright police? > > I've been told that if a piece of music is under copyright, it's illegal = even to write the melody on a blackboard for a choir rehearsal. > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: RE: Fan Trumpets are not en chamade From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:03:03 -0500   Didn't York Minster have a horizontal tuba in the 19th century? Perhaps = it still does. The tuba on that organ is very powerful (and smooth). = According to recordings, it upstages full organ whenever it's used, and = people who have heard it first-hand say that this is true-to life. =20   I have been there and heard the organ, but not the tuba. It was an = evensong sung by a guest choir from a school, with a guest organist. = Although they sang well, they were unused to such a large building, and = the organ drowned out them out frequently without even trying. (The = cathedral choir would sing an all-Palestrina concert by candlelight = later that evening.) =20        
(back) Subject: CCM terminology From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:04:43 -0600   I agee that the broad use of terminology is a problem. Words are used by some groups to identify things with other meaning to other groups or with simply too many meanings. "Contemporary" is a major problem in music - it is used for just about everything written in every style since Schoenberg. Some day, someone is going to have to come up with more specific terms. And yes - "Contemporary Christian" sometimes bothers me also - I know what they mean, but my first thought is John Rutter, Joseph Martin, Richard Proulx, etc. etc.   It also bothers me that the word "Praise" has been co-opted. My church has now started putting different headings on the bulletins. The 2 "traditional" services have FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH at the top of the front page. The middle service bulleting says PRAISE AND WORSHIP. I know why they did it - so the ushers will grab the right bulletin stack at the right time. But when I see those stacks sitting on the shelf, my thought is "OK, so at 9:45 they worship and praise - but at 8:30 and 11, we do....what?" They have a "praise team" and they sing "praise music" and we sing..... Last time I checked, folks were praising and worshipping in all 3 services - just doing it in different styles.   And I guess that is one of the reasons why I like and use the term "happy-clappy" (which was invented on this list, I think - or maybe the other list). It describes what is different about it without implying that praising God is something that other sacred music doesn't do. It is "happy" and "clappy" - they are in there singing up-beat happy songs and clapping along every Sunday with their drums beating and guitars strumming - even during Lent, when we are singing about 40 days in the wilderness and sin and suffering. When we get to Easter - we will be happy again, but the middle service folk are "happy-clappy" all the time. So to me the term fits - and isn't necessarily derogatory.   Me personally - I don't care for that style of music or worship. In fact, I find Lent and particularly the Maundy Thursday/Good Friday services the most moving services of the year for me. And I would never choose a "Contemporary Christian" "Praise Team" "happy-clappy" worship style for myself on a regular basis. But as a friend of mine would say - "whatever floats your boat". That's why we have different denominations and different worship styles. We don't all get edified by the same stuff.       -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: Re: St.Turibius From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:09:10 -0800 (PST)   St. Turibius was a contemporary of St Rose of Lima. I will learn more as I = become more seasoned here.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.  
(back) Subject: Re:The Tuba at York From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:18:43 EST   The Tuba on the old recordings, the enormously fat and round one, is not = the same as the Tuba we hear today, which does NOT get good reviews.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City   ..  
(back) Subject: Another interesting apparatus From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:27:04 -0800 (PST)   On Kimball organs, some of them (maybe all of them), including the First = Baptist Congo organ in Chicago, there's a very ingenius control for the = expression shutters. In the position where a coupler rail would usually be, there is a square = shaped box which has movable switches for the expression pedals. For = example, you can make any expression shoe operate any of the divisions. = OR, you can make all divisions expressive on any one of the expression = shoes. All you do is move the switches to which ever position you want. Yes, Estey used the luminous consoles. and I forgot that Ontko/Young uses = them today. I was thinking of Steiner Reck, who also uses it today.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.