PipeChat Digest #4350 - Sunday, March 7, 2004
 
Re: Just a note on pipe construction...
  by "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net>
Re: Certain Organ apperiti and their first appearances.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Organs with second touch
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: Organs with second touch
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Just a note on pipe construction...
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Robert P. Bass" <rpbass@earthlink.net>
Re: Certain Organ apperiti and their first appearances
  by "Robert P. Bass" <rpbass@earthlink.net>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Crimond
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net>
WINTHROP UNIV AEOLIAN-SKINNER WATER DAMAGE (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
P.S. ON WINTHROP AND MARS HILL...(x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Selective expression and "infinite frustration"
  by "Angus Sinclair" <angsinc@oxford.net>
RE: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: Steinmeyers this side of the pond
  by "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com>
Re: Crimond
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Spitfire Prelude and Fugue
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Just a note on pipe construction... From: "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:16:23 -0500     On 6 Mar 2004, at 7.05 PM, T.Desiree' Hines wrote:   > Is Richards-Fawkes still building?   They have a very active shop.   http://www.richardsfowkes.com/   Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY    
(back) Subject: Re: Certain Organ apperiti and their first appearances. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:16:40 -0500   On 3/6/04 6:52 PM, "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net> wrote:   > The more I think about it, I think it was a Roman Catholic church that > had the organ with the 'first' U.S. horizontal reed, and it may have > been Hayward, but it was in northern mid-central Calif.   Surely somebody in the Oakland or East Bay Chapter of AGO could identify this stop/instrument/parish in a hurry.   No?   Alan    
(back) Subject: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:30:06 -0500   Bud asked:   >"What single organ would you choose to be stranded on a desert island >with (presuming a suitable building, etc.)?"   YOUR OWN.   Sorry, ladies. Keith            
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:08:15 -0500     On 6 Mar 2004, at 7.18 PM, quilisma@cox.net wrote:   > What single organ would you choose to be stranded on a desert island > with (presuming a suitable building, etc.)? > > Me: the E.M. Skinner at St. Luke's, Evanston, and the aforementioned > Fritts-Richards.   Bud immediately breaks his "single" rule. :-)   I would have an old decrepit pipe organ, that way I could be sure that a Rodgers or Allen salesperson would come to try to sell me a new digital substitute for an organ, and thus save me from being stranded. :-)   Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY    
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:17:23 -0500   Um, Ken...aren't you playing a Rodgers digital imitation substitute now?   Are you now on your own island and have failed to tell us?   Is your congregation hearing imitation notes and are you making imitation music, too?   Imitating minds want to know.   Imagine a world without imitation organs...lots of reed organs and old decrepit pianos for you to kick around, I guess.   Do you refuse to accept pay for playing on that imitation organ? Do they issue you imitation checks?     -- noel jones, aago noeljones@frogmusic.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ moderator, rodgers organ users group frog music press www.frogmusic.com 423 887-7594 athens, tn, usa      
(back) Subject: Organs with second touch From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:27:47 -0600   Greetings:   If I remember correctly, Grace Episcopal Church, on the Square in Madison, WI had a very fine three manual Kimball with second touch on either the great or choir. This console was replaced with a Schantz drawknob console in the late 1960's.   The Kimball was replaced with a very fine Casavant in the 1990's.   Best wishes,   Tom Gregory   p.s. Does anyone remember playing the old Estey consoles with the lighted tabs or drawknobs? I remember how they would dim when a full chord/w/manuals coupled. -- Thomas and Patricia Gregory 716 West College Avenue Waukesha WI USA 53186-4569  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs with second touch From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:59:17 -0500   On 3/6/04 8:27 PM, "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> = wrote:   > Grace Episcopal Church, on the Square in Madison, WI had a very fine = three > manual Kimball with second touch on either the great or choir. This = console > was replaced with a Schantz drawknob console in the late 1960's. > > The Kimball was replaced with a very fine Casavant in the 1990's.   I'll betcha that Mike Franch, of this list, can fill us in on that, if needed.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Just a note on pipe construction... From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:04:58 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I'm sure Sebastian will give us the details, but isn't a German Shallot a parallel sided shallot rather than tapered?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:23:35 -0800   Hmmmm   That's a difficult question....   I have 2 (sonce Bud didn't stick to one) - The Cavaille-Coll from St-Ouen, Rouen (probably one of my all-time favorites) - The Jann organ in the Basilica Waldsassen   Tough call...   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@cox.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: OK, here's a fun question:     > What single organ would you choose to be stranded on a desert island > with (presuming a suitable building, etc.)? > > Me: the E.M. Skinner at St. Luke's, Evanston, and the aforementioned > Fritts-Richards. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:16:10 -0800 (PST)   Easy! the Aeolian-Skinner from the Mormon Tabernacle. Does everything. Maybe not "authentically" but certainly musically.   -Bill   --- Jonathan Orwig <giwro@adelphia.net> wrote: > Hmmmm > > That's a difficult question.... > > I have 2 (sonce Bud didn't stick to one) > - The Cavaille-Coll from St-Ouen, Rouen (probably one of my > all-time > favorites) > - The Jann organ in the Basilica Waldsassen > > Tough call... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <quilisma@cox.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:18 PM > Subject: OK, here's a fun question: > > > > What single organ would you choose to be stranded on a > desert island > > with (presuming a suitable building, etc.)? > > > > Me: the E.M. Skinner at St. Luke's, Evanston, and the > aforementioned > > Fritts-Richards. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:20:23 EST   In a message dated 3/6/2004 9:10:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, giwro@adelphia.net writes:   > What single organ would you choose to be stranded on a desert island > >with (presuming a suitable building, etc.)? >   any organ I built   dale in florida    
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Robert P. Bass" <rpbass@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 18:43:10 -0800   Hi Bud...   Ahhh. That's going to be easy... A certain 5/80 "orchestral" organ located in the mid-west <g>.     Tibs     > > What single organ would you choose to be stranded on a desert island = with > (presuming a suitable building, etc.)? > > Me: the E.M. Skinner at St. Luke's, Evanston, and the aforementioned > Fritts-Richards. > > Cheers, > > Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Certain Organ apperiti and their first appearances From: "Robert P. Bass" <rpbass@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 18:48:37 -0800   Ken...   As well as after, following the demise of LA Arts and one year of = Electrolian Organ Co (Hoboken NJ).   Tibs   > > On 6 Mar 2004, at 6.32 PM, T.Desiree' Hines wrote: > > > LA Art > > Which was Murray Harris before. > > Kenneth L. Sybesma > Choirmaster and Organist > Church of the Advent, Westbury NY > Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music > Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY >        
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:48:29 -0600   Hi! Woolsey Hall at Yale!   Beau      
(back) Subject: Re: Crimond From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:50:12 -0800 (PST)   See if there isn't one by Carl F. Mueller... Carl Fischer sticks in my mind as the publisher... At any rate, someone has written such a work, and unfortunately I don't have my copy readily available.     Best wishes,     Morton Belcher fellow list member --- D H <dph1@dellmail.com> wrote: > > Hello all: > > Does anyone know of a SATB anthem arrangement of The > Lord's My Shepherd which uses the Crimond tune? > > Thanks > > Doug Hendsbee > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://www.dellmail.com > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > bscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:18:12 -0500     On 6 Mar 2004, at 8.17 PM, noel jones wrote:   > Um, Ken...aren't you playing a Rodgers digital imitation substitute > now?   Yes.   > Are you now on your own island and have failed to tell us?   No, I am on Long Beach, which is a barrier island of Long Island.   > Is your congregation hearing imitation notes and are you making > imitation music, too?   We must be, if it's an imitation organ.   > Imitating minds want to know.   Irritating too.   > Imagine a world without imitation organs...lots of reed organs and old > decrepit pianos for you to kick around, I guess.   At least they wouldn't be imitating other instruments.   > Do you refuse to accept pay for playing on that imitation organ? Do > they issue you imitation checks?   Just about, you know how churches pay.   Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY    
(back) Subject: WINTHROP UNIV AEOLIAN-SKINNER WATER DAMAGE (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:45:39 EST   I just received word that one of the organs I studied on has sustained = water damage. The four manual, 1955 Aeolian-Skinner at Winthrop University in = Rock Hill, South Carolina apparently has sustained water damage to some degree recently. The Winthrop instrument was dedicated by Virgil Fox and the = story goes that Virgil specifically asked to play Winthrop each year after that dedication! It is a spectacular, extant example of the venerable Boston = firm's work of that period. I studied there under Dr. David Lowry, who has been college organist at Winthrop for several decades. To be very honest, at the time, = I did not fully realize the historic value of the instrument. Nor did I fully appreciate or understand the training Dr. Lowry tried to give me. I look = back now and realize that I was working with a brilliant musician and a world class =   organist. I remember well his playing for the college president's = memorial service in cavernous Byrnes Auditorium. He played Davies' "A Solemn = Melody" as one of the opening voluntaries, and to this day I still remember the goose = bumps I got while watching and listening to him play. I was a tenor in the = Winthrop Chorale, and will admit that I was not his best student, but I now realize =   that I did glean from him a great deal of the high standards that I now = try to instill in my choristers and in my own playing. Thank you Dr. Lowry! If I = had it to do again...   Moving on, I hope that the organ will be repaired and restored, as the = case may be, quickly and in keeping with its historical significance. It = speaks into a vast room, from what I recall having nearly 4000 seats and 4-5 = seconds of rolling reverberation. One would consider it "a barn" of a room. The = console is on the center of the orchestra pit on a wooden platform. From what I recall, the Great, Pedal and Chamade reeds are on the left (stage right) = and the Swell, Choir and Positiv are on the right (stage left). I remember it = having between 70 and 75 ranks. I am remembering 74 for some reason. The = instrument has a full length 32' Contre Bass (which I believe is actually more of a Geigen) and a 32' Contre Fagotto that are absolutely beautiful. The = strings and flute celeste have that beautiful sound that Aeolian-Skinner was so famous = for, and the choruses (to mixtures) are robust and silvery. Yes, the console = has its G. Donald Harrison nameplate and, from what I remember, was the last instrument completely finished tonally by Harrison prior to St. Thomas = Fifth Avenue, during whose finishing he died. When I last played it in 1989, it still = had its original pneumatic combination action and relay. It was, at that = time, completely extant.     Does anyone else have any information on the water damage situation at Winthrop?   Another equally fine and unknown Aeolian-Skinner is the four manual at = Mars Hill College, where I studied after Winthrop with Donna Robertson. A = Craighead student and disciple, she, too, is a brilliant player and musician as well = as lovely and gracious lady. She, like David Lowry at Winthrop, held forth = at Mars Hill for more than 25 years as college organist and professor. The = Mars Hill organ is also a four manual (inspired by it's 1955 sister at = Winthrop), and was tonally finished by Joseph Whiteford upon its installation in = 1961. From what I recall, it was installed exactly as Winthrop's with one = exception: Mars Hill has a Clavier de Bombardes on the top (4th) manual instead of a Positiv like Winthrop. That division contains independent French reeds at = 16, 8 and 4 as well as a V-VI Grande Fourniture that I remember as being = absolutely stunning! I do not remember if that division also had a big 8' and 4' = Diapason or not. (Oh, the perils and forgetfulness of getting OLD!) Mars Hill's = organ has only one 32' which is a rather hefty and floor rumbling Untersatz. = It's one of those that one feels more than one hears. Mars Hills' divisions = are: Hauptwerk, Recit, Choir, Clavier de Bombardes and Pedal. It plays into = Moore Auditorium which, not as large as Winthrop's Byrnes Auditorium, is still a =   large, live space with a very pleasant acoustic.   Mr. Vitacco, do you know of these instruments? They would indeed make incredibly worthy additions to your Aeolian-Skinner CD series!   If anyone has any recent, reliable info on either of these organ, I would certainly be interested in reading it as would many of our list members I = am sure. Thanks!   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.    
(back) Subject: P.S. ON WINTHROP AND MARS HILL...(x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:52:01 EST   Winthrop University is in Rock Hill, South Carolina, about 20 miles south = of Charlotte, NC, just below the South Carolina state line.   Mars Hill College, a Baptist liberal arts college, is located up hwy = 19-23, about 10-12 miles north of Asheville, in the beautiful smoky mountains of western North Carolina.   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.    
(back) Subject: Re: Selective expression and "infinite frustration" From: "Angus Sinclair" <angsinc@oxford.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:01:00 -0500   Greetings, Malcolm: the psalm for Evensong on the 15th day is Psalm 78, which has = that great line that God "smote his enemies backward"! I was with the Choir = from St Paul's London Ont when we sang a week's evensongs (to cover the first week of the regular choir's Christmas hols, last week of 2002-first week = of 2003) and I agree...that organ at St Paul's London has tons of colour for accompanying the psalms, and the two gentlemen that accompanied us all = week really knew how to draw those colours out..and use that amazingly expressive swell. What an art it is. Cheers, Angus Sinclair      
(back) Subject: RE: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:46:09 -0600   > What single organ would you choose to be stranded on a desert island > with (presuming a suitable building, etc.)?   One that floats, is motorized, and will get my sorry rear end HOME. :-D   Jeff   PS: Bud, just how do you plan to POWER that Skinner of yours??? = Hydralus? :-)    
(back) Subject: RE: Steinmeyers this side of the pond From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 00:43:42 -0600   Seems I read somewhere there is a Chicago parish with one of 1900's = vintage. Don't remember which, but it was on the near West side and the building had been recently renovated. Could that be Holy Family? If anyone has info, please pipe up! I gotta get my fingers on one. They're wonderful instruments!   I was browsing thouroughly the other night the Steinmeyer website. They = do have a lot of opus's listed, but it's not a complete list. (They have = been building since 1848!) Their large organ in St. Lorenzkirche I believe has =   some sort of 64', but not sure if that's a reed or a something else. It's =   not listed, nor is Opus 1809=97the one I made friends with.   The combination system on that instrument isn't exactly blind. There are these little knobs in four rows directly above each stop about the = diametre of a pencil eraser, and you can easily see which are pulled out. When you =   engage a piston, it stays depressed until either you select another piston =   or l=F6sen Sie aus with the red one. It's as slick as Katzenscheisse und = sehr gut arbeiten sie!   Laukhuff builds some interesting consoles as well. They've done quite = well for themselves not only from pipemakiing and console building, but just about everything else associated with organbuilding such as all the tools and gadgets, and of course, the WeinPfeiffe.   Speaking of gadgets, they have TOILET SEATS. Now for the organist/builder/Chormeister/Pfarrer, there are themed clear acrylic = toilet seats with a graphic underlay and sundries embedded within! Release that tide with comfort, confidence, and pride!   jim   O):^)   _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =96 get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Re: Crimond From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 16:00:36 +0800   Yes, I have copies of it. It has been out for many years, and is now out = of copyright. If you give me an address I can send you a copy. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D H" <dph1@dellmail.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 5:41 AM Subject: Crimond     > > Hello all: > > Does anyone know of a SATB anthem arrangement of The Lord's My Shepherd which uses the Crimond tune? > > Thanks > > Doug Hendsbee > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://www.dellmail.com > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Spitfire Prelude and Fugue From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:48:41 -0000   Greetings all,   I have the organ arrangement of William Walton's Spitfire Prelude - is anyone aware of an organ arrangement of the Fugue ? It could be fun to = play.   Bruce Miles     website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html