PipeChat Digest #4353 - Monday, March 8, 2004
 
RE: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Ugly
  by "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net>
Re: Ugly organs
  by "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net>
Re: music notes in the bulletin?
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: music notes in the bulletin?
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Memphis Kimball
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Debussy Fugue
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Terraced tab jambs, was:Illuminated stop controls
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
RE: "chicago" style service
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Organ samples for electronic instruments (was: Johannus Organs)
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: Spitfire Prelude and Fugue
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Spitfire Prelude and Fugue
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Ugly
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: Ugly
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: Terraced tab jambs, was:Illuminated stop controls
  by "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net>
Re: organ as weapon/Disney
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:25:30 -0600   At 5:28 PM -0600 03/07/04, Jeff White wrote: >Well, I'm a detractor simply because I think it is by far the UGLIEST = organ >I've ever seen in my life. BUT...how does it SOUND? If it sounds great, = I >can live with the ugliness. IMHO, there's no dignity to it. Just looks >like an organ that's post-earthquake.   I don't know about that Jeff. From talking to friends that have seen the organ facade in the hall i gather it works very well. The big curved pipes on the facade mimic other details in the hall and therefore look right in place. When I first saw the mock-ups of the organ I wasn't really too keen on it but after seeing photos of it IN THE HALL i have changed my opinion. And I think that ALL of us need to wait until each of us sees it before condemning it. It just might make a lot of friends for our favorite instrument - we don't really know.   As to the sound - well it is still in the process of being voiced/finished - I gather at this time there are approximately 30% of the stops finished. But there is a little "tease" available if you have Real Player installed on your computer. KPCC, which I gather is the Public Radio station in Los Angeles, has an audio report available on their web site - http://www.scpr.org/ - look until "KPCC News for "The Disney Hall Organ" link. clicking on the name brings up the Real Player file and there are a couple of photos of the organ also available.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Ugly From: "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 21:38:33 -0500     On 7 Mar 2004, at 8.17 PM, Michael David wrote:   > Can we safely assume that Mr. White has not actually been in Gehry?   Isn't speculation of this sort off-topic? What's next, a wardrobe malfunction when the zipper on your choir robe gives way?   Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY    
(back) Subject: Re: Ugly organs From: "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 21:41:54 -0500     On 7 Mar 2004, at 9.14 PM, Colin Mitchell wrote:   > There was a Congregational Chapel of enormous > proportions, and when they decided to close the > galleries, they simply put a false ceiling in the > building.   Now now, this falls under the category of vandals. :)     Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY    
(back) Subject: Re: music notes in the bulletin? From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:53:07 EST   In a message dated 3/5/2004 5:19:03 PM Central Standard Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes: One week I forgot to attach the bio of the composer to the email I sent = her with my music for the week, so she went on the internet and did research = and sent me a bio for my approval before she published the bulletin. What a fantastic secretary and friend to the ministry of music! You have = a real jewell on your team!    
(back) Subject: Re: music notes in the bulletin? From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:54:59 EST   In a message dated 3/5/2004 5:19:03 PM Central Standard Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes: I usually include notes about the hymns (once I went off on a tangent involving Joachim Neander and Neanderthal Man), about the composers of the = organ voluntaries and about the anthem. Randy - I join the voices of many who would LOVE to read your "discourse" connecting J. Neander and the Neanderthan Man ---- just for the sheer fun = of it. Please? Purty please?   Dale in Missouri    
(back) Subject: Memphis Kimball From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:53:51 -0600   Yep......the one in storage.......has gotten water damage, alas........but what a magnificent beast!   Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats    
(back) Subject: Debussy Fugue From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:13:38 -0600   Next Sunday I've decided to play for prelude and postlude two organ fugues written by well-known composers when they were young students. The prelude will be Debussy's Fugue on a Massenet theme, and the postlude will be Grieg's Fugue in G Minor (EG 184e). These works, recent discoveries, were published for the first time in 2001 and 2002, respectively.   I should appreciate hearing, privately, from anyone who owns/plays the Debussy. I find some problems here and there and would like your ideas on = my changing some accidentals and supplying one or two that seem to be needed.   Many thanks, Robert Lind    
(back) Subject: Re: Terraced tab jambs, was:Illuminated stop controls From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 22:59:51 EST   >When things like this come up, I always have to go looking. Here's two >examples that were mentioned: >Roxy Grove Hall, Waco, TX: >http://www.kiyochiemi.com/english/html_album/01baylor.html >South Shores Church, Dana Point, CA: >http://www.wicks.com/organ/organs/consoles.htm > >Brent Johnson   Most of the early Ruffatti organs in the United States all had tilting tablets as opposed to stobknobs. St. Mary's Cathedral San Francisco has = terraced tilting tablets; Ruffatti's rebuild of the Grace Cathdral console had = them; the Garden Grove Community Church console had them, and I think that when the Moller console was built for the Crystal Cathedral, Bob Hebble's church in = Lake Worth, Florida bought the old Ruffatti console and hooked it up to their Schantz; First Presbyterian Church, Berkeley, CA, has the tilting tablets; = First Cumberland Presbyterian Church in Chattanooga, TN has terraced tilting = tabs; St. Paul's Lutheran Church, Orlando, FL has them on a 5 manual console but the =   organ is really only a 3 manual organ--manuals 4 and 5 are prepared for; = Our Lady of Grace Church, Johnston, RI has tilting tablets, but they are all above = the swell manual. The original Coral Ridge console had drawknobs, as did Peachtree Christian Church. I'm not sure about North Avenue Pres. in = Atlanta, or the Episcopal church in Minneapolis or the Catholic church in Sacramento. = There's also an early Ruffatti in Beloit, WI, and I'd assume it's probably got tilting tablets, too. I find them very easy to play. If anyone has the = William Leslie Sumner book "The Organ" there is a picture of the 6 manual console = of the Cathedral of Monreale in Sicily and it's a terraced tilting tablet console =   with all sorts of carvings on it. It's actually quite beautiful.   Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: RE: "chicago" style service From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 22:46:44 -0500   Maybe it's that old Chicago Folk Mass from way back?   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA      
(back) Subject: Organ samples for electronic instruments (was: Johannus Organs) From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 23:01:48 -0500   Is there any truth to the rumor that Johannus Organs use only a "one = cycle" sample for their stops? I've heard this in a round-about way when compared =   to a several second (three to seven) sample used by some (like Phoenix).   I would be interested in some light being shed upon how the different instrument makers create the samples for their toasters. I'm currently in = a way-deep project using the "Hauptwerk" organ simulation program by Martin Dyde from England. I am continually impressed with this program which uses =   multiple second samples for its stops. "Hauptwerk" btw has a growing = number of impressive organ sample sets for use with the program.   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA      
(back) Subject: Re: Spitfire Prelude and Fugue From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 22:27:55 -0600   Since no one else has stepped in here, I'll venture that the fugue has = never been transcribed for organ. I've checked Henderson and Beckmann; they list the prelude only, which is all I have. Now that I've thrown down the gauntlet, let's see if anyone comes forth.   Robert Lind   ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 3:48 AM   > I have the organ arrangement of William Walton's Spitfire Prelude - is > anyone aware of an organ arrangement of the Fugue ? It could be fun to play. > > Bruce Miles    
(back) Subject: Re: Spitfire Prelude and Fugue From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:44:29 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   They're not called gauntlets, they're called flying gloves!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Robert Lind <lindr@core.com> wrote:   > Now that I've > thrown down the > gauntlet, let's see if anyone comes forth.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Ugly From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:59:16 -0600   Michael, safe assumption. :)   Jeff     > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Michael David > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:17 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: RE: Ugly > > > Can we safely assume that Mr. White has not actually been in Gehry?    
(back) Subject: RE: Ugly From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:58:54 -0600   > If that's your ugliest organ, you need to get out more. There are far > more ugly looking organs out there.   I don't doubt that for a minute...but I said it's the ugliest I have seen. But even worse, I really dislike when they put all the pipes in chambers = or behind screens. Why hide them? Kudos to every builder/designer who's clever enough to make a nice-looking case with a visually pleasing facade.   Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 00:02:49 -0600   > I don't know about that Jeff. From talking to friends that have seen > the organ facade in the hall i gather it works very well.   Maybe so, and I stick by my original opinion. I hope it SOUNDS better = than it looks. I told y'all I'm a traditionalist...pipes should stand tall and proper. This is undignified.   >And I think that ALL of us need to wait until each of us sees it before condemning it. It just might make a lot of friends for our favorite instrument - we don't really > know.   Well, y'all go look then. But I'm not waiting for every list member to = take a look before I decide it's ugly. It's something I'd expect to see in a nightmare. Again, if it SOUNDS good, then it will make the friends you're looking for.   Besides, I didn't CONDEMN it, I just said I didn't like the way it looks. :)   Jeff    
(back) Subject: Re: Terraced tab jambs, was:Illuminated stop controls From: "Ken" <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 01:53:09 -0500     On 7 Mar 2004, at 10.59 PM, RMB10@aol.com wrote:   > the Catholic church in Sacramento.   Has the tilting tablets, above the two manuals. 16 ranks, including a chamade.   Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY    
(back) Subject: Re: organ as weapon/Disney From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:51:38 +0800   For your fun and colors, you may need to go to the Organ Stop Pizza in = Mesa, AZ. They use the painted 32' Diaphone as a colorful "calling card" = viewable from the street in a glass enclosure at the front of the = building. The pipes can be seen at = http://www.organstoppizza.com/welcome.htm, though a night-time picture = would make them "pop" more. (Cobbled-together 4/65+ Wurlitzer.)   The fries may have to wait, but anchovies might bring about the requisite = salt intake.   Anyone else know of such examples.   Ye Olde Pizza Joynt in Hayward, CA, (Don Thompson's old haunt) just put = every pipe behind plexi-glass swell shades, and suspended the percussions = from the ceiling (Ok, there was a 32' scale scattered about the restaurant = too. Sadly the Joynt burned-out a while back. They organ is in restoration = as the owners are activily searching for a new console as they rebuild.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:23:43 -0600 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: organ as weapon/Disney   > Colin wrote:   > Disney Hall does look like just pain fun! If it were me, I'd have used = just > a bit more tin in the case though and had the wooden pipes painted in = bright > primary colours, and added a large mobile full of notes and symbols = which > would give a cartoonish effect of music emerging from the instrument. > > It's strange, every time I see that instrument I get this odd craving = for > something with french fries.   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:44:34 +0800     1st Presbyterian, Manchester, NH (2 Manual stoptab, unknown maker) -- just = the organ I grew up with and the last legitimate pipes in a chruch to = which I belonged. (30+ years ago)   Whyfore no one mentions european organs? The Reil choir organ at the = Bovenkerk in Kampen, NL qualifies as one of the prettiest; not to stray = too far from the Disney concert hall pipes. ;-)   ----- Original Message -----   > No brainer for me; 1st Presbyterian, Kilgore TX,Aoelian-Skinner. > >   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm