PipeChat Digest #4356 - Tuesday, March 9, 2004
 
Re: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
RE: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Organ samples for electronic instruments (was: Johannus  Organs) Rumo
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Disney detached console
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Re: Disney detached console
  by "Alvin Wen" <wen@rochester.rr.com>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt
  by "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net>
Re: Ugly
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
RE: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance
  by "M Collins" <mcoll@panix.com>
Paul Creston's Suite for Organ (Prayer)
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
RE: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt
  by "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net>
Re: Ugly
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:50:18 -0800 (PST)         "It's DISNEY!!!! Really, come on! This organ isn't designed to appeal to = the traditional organ crowd at all. Instead, it is designed to pique the imagination of _children_!!! You know, the next generations of organists."     YEs exactly...Preach!     "Look at it from the perspective of Disney animation. In the Disney = cartoon movies, everything is scewed out of "normal" perspective because this = appeals the the imagination of young children; it get's their attention, grabs = their eyes, lives in their imagination. The "not rightness" about the animation gets their attention. Haven't you seen the Disney animations of "Beauty = and the Beast" or "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves", or at least enough of = the shots from them to get the idea? Where's your sense of play? "     AMEN!   "The funky, strange little wooden pipe "organ" that Grumpy played in "Snow =   White" is the first one that I remember as a child and that image captured = my attention for a lifetime! Grumpy smiled as he played and everyone had a = grand time. Ol' Grumpy made music that was fun for everyone. I believe this = organ is designed to do the same thing and on an even grander scale because it really is a pipe organ! "   I remember that too!   Deliver the sermon, Rev'm   Preach!     Great comments on the Disney Organ       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.  
(back) Subject: RE: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:54:34 -0800 (PST)       "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote: "You're assuming that's what Gehry had in mind when he designed the hall that bears Walt Disney's name. The donors probably wouldn't agree with you, but the architect might give it a wink."       The donors are probably cosmopolotain people who live secular lifestyles = and have not seen an organ live. It just might be what they wanted as = well. Sometimes, donors give money in great amounts to get what they want. = Thats the case at St Peter's Cathedral in Jackson, MS. The biggest donor = said they would dontate money for a baroque tracker...so its there.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ samples for electronic instruments (was: Johannus Organs) Rumor From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:54:51 -0500   Matt et al, The geek in me says, "Thanks." You have given others and myself solid info =   important to those of us who choose or must use appliances.   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA      
(back) Subject: Disney detached console From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:13:16 -0800   Wow. The newsflash that the Disney organ has a 2nd console is quite a surprise. I have seen NO reference to one anywhere - not on the web sites of Rosales or Gladder-Gotz; not on any of the Disney sites, and, as far as I recall, no mention on the lists. And there was none evident in the hall when I was there.   Not to say, of course. that "it isn't so." It's just been a pretty well-guarded secret!   ~ C      
(back) Subject: Re: Disney detached console From: "Alvin Wen" <wen@rochester.rr.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:34:13 -0500   The second console is described here: http://www.laphil.org/press/press_detail.cfm?id=3D1239&ps=3D3   -Alvin   At 08:13 PM 3/8/2004, Charlie Lester wrote: >Wow. The newsflash that the Disney organ has a 2nd console is quite a >surprise. I have seen NO reference to one anywhere - not on the web sites =   >of Rosales or Gladder-Gotz; not on any of the Disney sites, and, as far = as >I recall, no mention on the lists. And there was none evident in the hall =   >when I was there. > >Not to say, of course. that "it isn't so." It's just been a pretty >well-guarded secret! > >~ >C      
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:56:28 +0800   Same impression here Scott. There is no beauty in a heap of junk which = is what this appears to be. It does not look like an organ. Do they make = other musical instruments that look like anything other than a musical = instrument? No? Then why do it with an organ? Bob Elms. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ScottFop@aol.com=20 I myself do wonder WHY it was designed to look as it does. It might = sound like a million bucks, but my first reaction to the photos I have = seen is that it looks like it's been blasted by artillery fire and that = it is melting and pulling apart from itself.   Scott F. Foppiano    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:02:53 -0600   >Same impression here Scott. There is no beauty in a heap of junk >which is what this appears to be. It does not look like an organ. Do >they make other musical instruments that look like anything other >than a musical instrument? No?   Bob   I don't see how you can say that "it does not look like an organ" To my eye I see an organ, maybe in a newer form but I see an organ. There are pipes, there is a chamade, there is a console - so what does not look like an organ. I have been impressed with some of the photos I have seen of it - some of them private photos that are not available on the net.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt From: "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:08:23 -0800   I spent many hours in the Old Pizza Joint listening to Bill Langford at = the Wurli.   In addition to the Tibias by the door, many of the percussions were = mounted to the ceiling. The toy counter was in the listening room, as well as a Grand = piano and Calliope pipes. I may have left a couple of instruments out. If it wasn't in the = swell box, then it was in the listening area, and subject to fire, water and smoke damage. I = surely hope that it is restored, as it was a pleasure to listen to, and real close to home = at the time.   Vern   "rusczyk@ix.netcom.com" wrote: > > Sounds like much confusion here. The "Joint" > never had plexiglass shades, only two smaller > sets of regular Wurlitzer shades with a viewing > window between them. Also the only pipes outside > the chamber (in the listening area) were the 12 > bottom notes of the Tibia (16 foot octave) on > the south wall to the west of the entry door as > noted below. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Mark & Cinda Towne mstowne@concentric.net > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:34:51 -0800 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt > > The plexigalss shades must be a fairly recent addition. My memory is > syanding in front of the wooden shades with the tall glass window in the > center to see inside the chamber...limited side to side vision. Are we = sure > that there is an unenclosed 32'? I know that there were the bottom 12 = of > the 16' Tibia against the south wall of the restaurant by the parking = lot > door. > > Glad to know that restoration is in the works. > > Ye Olde Pizza Joynt was my introduction to the pipe organ in 1963! > > Mark S. Towne > Sub-Dean, Southern Nevada Chapter > American Guild of Organists > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Jan Nijhuis > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 12:52 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: organ as weapon/Disney > > For your fun and colors, you may need to go to the Organ Stop Pizza in = Mesa, > AZ. They use the painted 32' Diaphone as a colorful "calling card" = viewable > from the street in a glass enclosure at the front of the building. The = pipes > can be seen at http://www.organstoppizza.com/welcome.htm, though a > night-time picture would make them "pop" more. (Cobbled-together 4/65+ > Wurlitzer.) > > The fries may have to wait, but anchovies might bring about the = requisite > salt intake. > > Anyone else know of such examples. > > Ye Olde Pizza Joynt in Hayward, CA, (Don Thompson's old haunt) just put > every pipe behind plexi-glass swell shades, and suspended the = percussions > from the ceiling (Ok, there was a 32' scale scattered about the = restaurant > too. Sadly the Joynt burned-out a while back. They organ is in = restoration > as the owners are activily searching for a new console as they rebuild. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> > Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:23:43 -0600 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: organ as weapon/Disney > > > Colin wrote: > > > Disney Hall does look like just pain fun! If it were me, I'd have = used > just > > a bit more tin in the case though and had the wooden pipes painted in > bright > > primary colours, and added a large mobile full of notes and symbols = which > > would give a cartoonish effect of music emerging from the instrument. > > > > It's strange, every time I see that instrument I get this odd craving = for > > something with french fries. > > -- > Jan Nijhuis > nijhuis@email.com > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Ugly From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:10:32 -0600   Thank you. I had heard about this but never seen a picture of it before. Actually, I don't think it would look too bad if it were a reredos, rather than an organ case. Personally, I think the ugliest organ in Britain is = the Larry Phelps organ at Hexham Abbey, where the pipelengths all go in the opposite direction from which the roof of the building and normal organ design principles would suggest. The Grant, Degens & Bradbeer at New College, Oxfrod, is not far behind, although it does have the redeeming feature that the plate glass swellshades when operated reflect the stained glass windows in wild and surrealistic ways.   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Lowkis" <Lowkis@theatreorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:05 PM Subject: RE: Ugly     > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > > > > Hello, > > > > I forgot the ugliest in all the world! > > > > Leeds Parish Church, here in the UK.......described by > > one organ historian as, "That weird mass of carving." > > > > The organ sits, like a riotous, wooden Buddhist > > shrine, without a single organ pipe being visible. It > > is like a great Gothic waterfall in black stained > > pine, but at leats contains a very large and noble > > instrument containing pipework by (wait for it).... > > Hill, Abbot & Smith, Schulze, Harrison & Harrison, > > Wood Wordsworth and A J Carter...I may even have > > missed half a dozen builders out. > > > > The pedigree and appearance may be chequered, but it > > is a really very fine instrument of, perhaps, 110 > > ranks or so. > > > Here it is on the web hulking like a Darth Vader.. > > http://www.leedsparishchurch.org.uk/organ/organwhole.htm > > > Is this a U.S. facade a contender? :) > > http://www.allenorgans-nyc.com/images/Bus%20Trip%202002/AOC%20Var%20&%20Ste= v e%20leaning.jpg > > > Stan > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: RE: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance From: "M Collins" <mcoll@panix.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:24:20 -0500 (EST)   On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, T.Desiree' Hines wrote: [apropos of the Disney Hall Organ] > The donors are probably cosmopolotain people who live secular lifestyles > and have not seen an organ live. It just might be what they wanted as > well. Sometimes, donors give money in great amounts to get what they > want.   Mrs Disney, the principal benefactor of the hall, was born in 1899 in Spalding, Idaho, (10th child), she grew up in Lapwai, Idaho, on the Nez Perce Indian reservation. I believe her father was a surveyor, working for the State, at the time. She and Walt Disney were married in 1925 in Lewiston Idaho (a few miles from Lapwai). While her experiences of living in LA through the boom years of the studios (1935- ) might have exposed her to more worldly things, I doubt that the publicity-shy Mrs Disney was terribly 'cosmopolitan'.   Organ Content: I've attended services at the reservation in Lapwai, where in the late 1970's, there were still using a reed organ, in remarkably well preserved condition. In Lewiston, where I grew up, there are remarkably few pipe organs. Most churches had reed organs, later replaced by early electric apparati.   First Presbyterian Church, Clarkston WA (across the river from Lewiston ID) used a Mason & Hamlin reed organ until around 1950-something.   --- MJC [now owner of that reed organ]    
(back) Subject: Paul Creston's Suite for Organ (Prayer) From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:29:07 EST   Searching for a copy of Suite for Organ, Opus 70, by Paul Creston, = published in 1957 by Franco Columbo (NYC), commissioned by Marilyn Mason.   Have fallen head-long over heels in love with the "Prayer" movement of = this music.   Anyone having knowledge of where I can obtain a new copy from a dealer or music shop within the continental USA, please contact me privately.   Many thanks, Dale G. Rider Independence, MO    
(back) Subject: RE: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt From: "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:09:40 -0800   I too spent many nights there. You were pretty much guaranteed getting = many of the same pieces and routines from Bill. Some of those he recorded on = the "Gangbusters and Lollypops" album, notably what we always called the "Circus" medley...it was known as "Uncle Bill's Wild West Show". That number always featured the exposed 16' Tibia (for the elephants) and = during "Chatanooga Choo-Choo". People seated just in front of the mouths of CCC, DDD, etc. got quite a good blast of air. The circus medley, in later years, featured a toy monkey banging cymbals = to the Mickey Mouse Club Theme.   I have two of his four albums. I am trying to find the Christmas LP titled "I'll be home for Christmas"...so far no luck.   We had a short-lived "Pizza and Pipes" venue called Roxy's here in Vegas. It was at the former Maloof casino, The Fiesta. Station Casinos bought it about three years ago and closed the restaurant shortly after. Last year, the organ was removed and sold for parts.   Mark S. Towne Sub-Dean, Southern Nevada Chapter, AGO   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Vern Jones Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:08 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt     I spent many hours in the Old Pizza Joint listening to Bill Langford at = the Wurli.   In addition to the Tibias by the door, many of the percussions were = mounted to the ceiling. The toy counter was in the listening room, as well as a Grand = piano and Calliope pipes. I may have left a couple of instruments out. If it wasn't in the swell box, then it was in the listening area, and subject to fire, water and smoke damage. I surely hope that it is restored, as it was a pleasure to listen to, and real close to home = at the time.   Vern   "rusczyk@ix.netcom.com" wrote: > > Sounds like much confusion here. The "Joint" > never had plexiglass shades, only two smaller > sets of regular Wurlitzer shades with a viewing > window between them. Also the only pipes outside > the chamber (in the listening area) were the 12 > bottom notes of the Tibia (16 foot octave) on > the south wall to the west of the entry door as > noted below. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Mark & Cinda Towne mstowne@concentric.net > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:34:51 -0800 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt > > The plexigalss shades must be a fairly recent addition. My memory is > syanding in front of the wooden shades with the tall glass window in the > center to see inside the chamber...limited side to side vision. Are we sure > that there is an unenclosed 32'? I know that there were the bottom 12 = of > the 16' Tibia against the south wall of the restaurant by the parking = lot > door. > > Glad to know that restoration is in the works. > > Ye Olde Pizza Joynt was my introduction to the pipe organ in 1963! > > Mark S. Towne > Sub-Dean, Southern Nevada Chapter > American Guild of Organists > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Jan Nijhuis > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 12:52 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: organ as weapon/Disney > > For your fun and colors, you may need to go to the Organ Stop Pizza in Mesa, > AZ. They use the painted 32' Diaphone as a colorful "calling card" viewable > from the street in a glass enclosure at the front of the building. The pipes > can be seen at http://www.organstoppizza.com/welcome.htm, though a > night-time picture would make them "pop" more. (Cobbled-together 4/65+ > Wurlitzer.) > > The fries may have to wait, but anchovies might bring about the = requisite > salt intake. > > Anyone else know of such examples. > > Ye Olde Pizza Joynt in Hayward, CA, (Don Thompson's old haunt) just put > every pipe behind plexi-glass swell shades, and suspended the = percussions > from the ceiling (Ok, there was a 32' scale scattered about the = restaurant > too. Sadly the Joynt burned-out a while back. They organ is in = restoration > as the owners are activily searching for a new console as they rebuild. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> > Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:23:43 -0600 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: organ as weapon/Disney > > > Colin wrote: > > > Disney Hall does look like just pain fun! If it were me, I'd have = used > just > > a bit more tin in the case though and had the wooden pipes painted in > bright > > primary colours, and added a large mobile full of notes and symbols which > > would give a cartoonish effect of music emerging from the instrument. > > > > It's strange, every time I see that instrument I get this odd craving for > > something with french fries. > > -- > Jan Nijhuis > nijhuis@email.com > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" 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(back) Subject: Re: Ugly From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 20:56:01 -0700       Stanley Lowkis wrote: > > > Here it is on the web hulking like a Darth Vader.. >   Okay. Because of the above comment, which was occasioned by, but not referenced to, the Disney organ, I guess I will put my 2 cents worth into this discussion.   I have more than casual interest because the Angwin Rieger was designed by Joseph von Glatter-Gotz (GG) and the technical drawings done by Caspar Glatter-Gotz. And there is a connection between Rosales and Glatter-Gotz by way of the Angwin (Pacific Union College) Rieger.   Some who have seen the Angwin organ have commented that it looks like Darth Vader. The Angwin facade is designed to pick up several strong design elements in the room. It is clearly a 20th century design that reveals a very traditional physical arrangement.   Knowing Caspar's work as I do, I am sure that what he has done in L.A. will be wonderful if somewhat jarring to some at first. I have seen a number of Caspar's recent designs that are refreshingly contemporary.   There are many great works of art that were critically savaged at first but now are accepted as tame. A critic in Vienna blasted the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto when first performed saying that it "stinks in the ear." Can you imagine that when hearing it today? And what about Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" when first performed?   Time will determine the merits of the Glatter-Gotz design, not the quick-to-judge responses of those of us seeing it for the first time.   Wait and see. We organists, who are thought by so many to be completely reactionary have a chance to be open minded about the artistic merit of what will be a highly visible representative of our art. And please remember, this is in LOS ANGELES, not Boston. (I like Boston just fine.) And I did not say HOLLYWOOD.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College