PipeChat Digest #4358 - Tuesday, March 9, 2004
 
ROXYS (was Ye Olde Pizza Joynt)
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Rumours
  by "Cheryl Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Re: Rumours
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Illuminated stop controls
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Fast and Loud Lent Music
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "cnash cnash" <cnash@mail.fbcaiken.org>
Re: Fast and Loud Lent Music
  by "cnash cnash" <cnash@mail.fbcaiken.org>
Re: Ugly
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
RE: Disney detached console
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
RE: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Rumours ..... Basis for my statement.
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: ROXYS (was Ye Olde Pizza Joynt) From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 07:14:46 -0600   At 10:09 PM 3/8/04, you wrote: >We had a short-lived "Pizza and Pipes" venue called Roxy's here in Vegas. >It was at the former Maloof casino, The Fiesta. Station Casinos bought = it >about three years ago and closed the restaurant shortly after. Last = year, >the organ was removed and sold for parts. > >Mark S. Towne >Sub-Dean, Southern Nevada Chapter, AGO   The organ at Roxy's was originally in the Maloof Hotel in New Mexico = played by Kay McAbee. It was moved to the Maloof Casino in Nevada and played by Walter Strony and later by Dave Wickerham who moved from the Organ Piper = in Milwaukee to take the position. Pictures of the organ are available at the =   following: http://theatreorgans.com/artists/wickerham/ One of the few surviving ranks from the Chicago Stadium Barton, the 25 inch Tuba Mirabilis, was featured in the ROXY organ. When Station Casinos bought the =   Fiesta they found that the organ venue was keeping too many people away from the gaming tables and phased the pizzeria operation out. I understand =   Phil Maloof purchased the ROXY console to join the BIG BARTON console in his huge music room.     jch      
(back) Subject: Rumours From: "Cheryl Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:15:23 +0000   Amongst other interesting things, Matt wrote:   >Lastly relating to "smoke and mirrors" and rumors. It has been my >experience that the dealers for Euro E-orgs (especially Johannus ... that =   >is why I own one) are not as "cut throat" as the 2 American "giants".   Let me dispel the thought, before it takes root, that European companies and their dealers never behave in that way. We ourselves have been the target of despicable slander (and doubtless will be again), no matter the country of origin of the competing product. I always think it's rather flattering to those being slandered that, in order to compete with them, some sales people have to resort to dirty tricks. The main loser is the person who believes the lies: it ought to be the company or person who promotes the lies - but isn't it the truth that "the Devil takes care of his own".   Cheryl   http://www.copemanhart.co.uk      
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 08:33:40 EST   In a message dated 3/9/2004 8:27:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, info@copemanhart.co.uk writes: and their dealers never behave in that way OH that this was true..........some, espcially a J dealer or 2 i have run into are ruthless and lie about pricing and so on. smoke and mirrors like everyone.   CHurches should do BBB checks AND check 5 or more installations....   As always, exceptions make the rule.   dale in florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Illuminated stop controls From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 07:38:37 -0600   We have lit stop levers - which I don't particularly care for - but hey, they play the same. However, they do move as well as light up - I have played the ones that don't move and only light - very disconcerting. But - I have to say - the lights certainly attract the children in the congregation. The way our console is turned, they can see them from their seats from one side of the congregation, and I think that is what attracts them to walk up and look closer during the postlude. One of the church pianists told me that her grandchild told her she didn't want to play "that piano", she wanted to learn the "big piano with all the lights". So maybe we should think of them as neon advertising....     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: Re: Fast and Loud Lent Music From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 07:48:34 -0600   For Postludes - As the old saying goes - gotta be loud, so you can hear yourself playing over the departing crowd - gotta be fast, so you can beat the Baptists to the cafeteria....   Shaun Brown wrote: > Why on Earth do you want fast and loud music in lent. What's wrong with > the vast arrays of quiet, reflective music that the rest of the world > uses! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:47:20 +0800   Well, David, you may see an organ but I don't. All I see from the photo in front of my right now is a rack of wooden somethings that could be pipes stuck in no particular order at all sorts of angles. There is no apparent pattern of any sort. Protruding at the back are a few metal pipes, some = reed and some flue - again no particular pattern evident. In the lower part of the display are a few reeds in an uneven fan shape. Some look as if they = are bent; maybe they are. There is no pattern, no order about the display. It = is untidy.   I am sorry if you don't like my impression. I like an organ case to look = as if it is an organ case and the Disney organ does not fit into that = category to my mind. It occurred to me that as some organs admired in the 1950s as "neobaroque" are now being altered because they were thought to be too extreme and not pleasant to listen to, this case might in the future be so regarded and may be subject to alteration because of its lack of aesthetic appeal.. Bob Elms.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound     > >Same impression here Scott. There is no beauty in a heap of junk > >which is what this appears to be. It does not look like an organ. Do > >they make other musical instruments that look like anything other > >than a musical instrument? No? > > Bob > > I don't see how you can say that "it does not look like an organ" To > my eye I see an organ, maybe in a newer form but I see an organ. > There are pipes, there is a chamade, there is a console - so what > does not look like an organ. I have been impressed with some of > the photos I have seen of it - some of them private photos that are > not available on the net. > > David > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "cnash cnash" <cnash@mail.fbcaiken.org> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:04:35 -0500   Have not heard the Disny organ yet, plan to sometime in the next year or = so. As for the physical aspects of it, I think this organ could only be = pulled off in a concert hall of this type. Of course nobody would want to = put it in a church!!??....but that's kinda the point of it...it's not a = church.   Christopher                   ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:47:20 +0800   >Well, David, you may see an organ but I don't. All I see from the photo = in >front of my right now is a rack of wooden somethings that could be pipes >stuck in no particular order at all sorts of angles. There is no apparent >pattern of any sort. Protruding at the back are a few metal pipes, some = reed >and some flue - again no particular pattern evident. In the lower part of >the display are a few reeds in an uneven fan shape. Some look as if they = are >bent; maybe they are. There is no pattern, no order about the display. It = is >untidy. > >I am sorry if you don't like my impression. I like an organ case to look = as >if it is an organ case and the Disney organ does not fit into that = category >to my mind. It occurred to me that as some organs admired in the 1950s as >"neobaroque" are now being altered because they were thought to be too >extreme and not pleasant to listen to, this case might in the future be = so >regarded and may be subject to alteration because of its lack of = aesthetic >appeal.. >Bob Elms. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:02 AM >Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound > > >> >Same impression here Scott. There is no beauty in a heap of junk >> >which is what this appears to be. It does not look like an organ. Do >> >they make other musical instruments that look like anything other >> >than a musical instrument? No? >> >> Bob >> >> I don't see how you can say that "it does not look like an organ" To >> my eye I see an organ, maybe in a newer form but I see an organ. >> There are pipes, there is a chamade, there is a console - so what >> does not look like an organ. I have been impressed with some of >> the photos I have seen of it - some of them private photos that are >> not available on the net. >> >> David >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Fast and Loud Lent Music From: "cnash cnash" <cnash@mail.fbcaiken.org> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:07:40 -0500   I was once told by a minister that the Sundays in lent are "days off." = Sunday is meant to celebrate the resurrection of our Lord every day...and = Lent goes M-Sat. Either way...I will usually get the most use out of = Bach's "Liturgical Year" during this time. Those chorale variations make = GREAT postludes.       ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Margo Dillard <dillardm@airmail.net> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 07:48:34 -0600   >For Postludes - >As the old saying goes - gotta be loud, so you can hear yourself playing >over the departing crowd - gotta be fast, so you can beat the Baptists >to the cafeteria.... > >Shaun Brown wrote: >> Why on Earth do you want fast and loud music in lent. What's wrong = with >> the vast arrays of quiet, reflective music that the rest of the world >> uses! >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> > > >-- >Dr. Margo Dillard >Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX >Musical Feast Choral Society >Dillard Piano & Organ Studio > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Ugly From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:37:22 -0500   Dear Colin, Stan, and List,   But this instrument is in one of the most horrible acoustics I have ever encountered. I recall attending a concert there by my friends, the Tudor Singers of Montreal quite a few years ago - this is a fine choir, but in that acoustic, from where I was sitting - fairly far away - it almost = seemed they were whispering.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Lowkis" <Lowkis@theatreorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: RE: Ugly   > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > > > > Hello, > > > > I forgot the ugliest in all the world! > > > > Leeds Parish Church, here in the UK.......described by > > one organ historian as, "That weird mass of carving." > > > > The organ sits, like a riotous, wooden Buddhist > > shrine, without a single organ pipe being visible. It > > is like a great Gothic waterfall in black stained > > pine, but at leats contains a very large and noble > > instrument containing pipework by (wait for it).... > > Hill, Abbot & Smith, Schulze, Harrison & Harrison, > > Wood Wordsworth and A J Carter...I may even have > > missed half a dozen builders out. > > > > The pedigree and appearance may be chequered, but it > > is a really very fine instrument of, perhaps, 110 > > ranks or so. > > > Here it is on the web hulking like a Darth Vader.. > > http://www.leedsparishchurch.org.uk/organ/organwhole.htm > > > Is this a U.S. facade a contender? :) > > http://www.allenorgans-nyc.com/images/Bus%20Trip%202002/AOC%20Var%20&%20Ste= ve%20leaning.jpg > > > Stan >      
(back) Subject: RE: Disney detached console From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:06:59 -0600   The principal organ builder's name is misspelled in item four of the features list.=20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alvin Wen Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 7:34 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Disney detached console   The second console is described here:=20 http://www.laphil.org/press/press_detail.cfm?id=3D1239&ps=3D3   -Alvin   At 08:13 PM 3/8/2004, Charlie Lester wrote: >Wow. The newsflash that the Disney organ has a 2nd console is quite a=20 >surprise. I have seen NO reference to one anywhere - not on the web sites=20 >of Rosales or Gladder-Gotz; not on any of the Disney sites, and, as far as=20 >I recall, no mention on the lists. And there was none evident in the hall=20 >when I was there. > >Not to say, of course. that "it isn't so." It's just been a pretty=20 >well-guarded secret! > >~ >C     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:42:08 -0500     bobelms wrote:   > Same impression here Scott. There is no beauty in a heap of junk which > is what this appears to be. It does not look like an organ. Do they > make other musical instruments that look like anything other than a > musical instrument? No? Then why do it with an organ?     So just what does an organ look like? There are pipe organs where no pipes are visible...so does an organ look a wall or a cloth curtain? There are organs where all we see is a console and a few facade pipes...so does an organ look like that? There are organs where virtually everything is visible except for the blower and wind trunks...so does an organ look like that?   For Bob, reality is that the Disney organ looks like "heap of junk." For me, reality is that the Disney organ looks magnificent, blends with the building perfectly, and is a boldly unique venture into areas of design never before tried. Yes, it challenges that to which we have become accustomed, but it's already attracted more attention from a world normally disinterested in organs than any instrument I can remember -- and it's not even finished yet! I can't wait to hear what it sounds like!   I don't suppose any opinions are going to be changed by this discussion, but I find it unfortunate that our organ world is as close minded and narrowly opinionated as every other part of the world of art. Think of all the great works of art, music, literature which would have been lost had we all responded with the "it doesn't sound/look like I think it should, therefore it's no good" attitude.   Steve Best in Utica, NY      
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:46:45 -0600   Hello, David and Bob, et al: Appearance... while the pipe organ has much that can be arranged in a visually pleasant style(s), only a case has a chance to influence the sound that will come from the organ. Thus, for the past 40 years, my motto has been the sound is everything. I can remember Power Biggs on one of his introduction to the pipe organ recordings, asking, "Where is the line? Where is the form?" ...of the pipes. We have also been through a long-running discussion about enclosing the pipes versus exposing them. So, what does the sound look like? Asking questions, sometimes, that I cannot answer. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: RE: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:47:38 +0800   Mmmm,   You must be right. It's been ages since I've been there. And really before = I knew anything about theatre organs (as if I did now.) The place really = isn't big enough for 32's. I love the "confusion" pun ... for those in the = know. For the rest, the Confusion was their special pizza.   for more info see http://www.pizzajoynt.com/     ----- Original Message ----- From: "rusczyk@ix.netcom.com" <rusczyk@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:44:42 -0500 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: RE: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt   > Sounds like much confusion here. The "Joint" > never had plexiglass shades, only two smaller > sets of regular Wurlitzer shades with a viewing > window between them. Also the only pipes outside > the chamber (in the listening area) were the 12 > bottom notes of the Tibia (16 foot octave) on > the south wall to the west of the entry door as > noted below. > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Mark & Cinda Towne mstowne@concentric.net > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:34:51 -0800 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Ye Olde Pizza Joynt > > > The plexigalss shades must be a fairly recent addition. My memory is > syanding in front of the wooden shades with the tall glass window in the > center to see inside the chamber...limited side to side vision. Are we = sure > that there is an unenclosed 32'? I know that there were the bottom 12 = of > the 16' Tibia against the south wall of the restaurant by the parking = lot > door. > > Glad to know that restoration is in the works. > > Ye Olde Pizza Joynt was my introduction to the pipe organ in 1963! > > Mark S. Towne > Sub-Dean, Southern Nevada Chapter > American Guild of Organists > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Jan Nijhuis > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 12:52 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: organ as weapon/Disney > > > For your fun and colors, you may need to go to the Organ Stop Pizza in = Mesa, > AZ. They use the painted 32' Diaphone as a colorful "calling card" = viewable > from the street in a glass enclosure at the front of the building. The = pipes > can be seen at http://www.organstoppizza.com/welcome.htm, though a > night-time picture would make them "pop" more. (Cobbled-together 4/65+ > Wurlitzer.) > > The fries may have to wait, but anchovies might bring about the = requisite > salt intake. > > Anyone else know of such examples. > > Ye Olde Pizza Joynt in Hayward, CA, (Don Thompson's old haunt) just put > every pipe behind plexi-glass swell shades, and suspended the = percussions > from the ceiling (Ok, there was a 32' scale scattered about the = restaurant > too. Sadly the Joynt burned-out a while back. They organ is in = restoration > as the owners are activily searching for a new console as they rebuild. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> > Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:23:43 -0600 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: organ as weapon/Disney > > > Colin wrote: > > > Disney Hall does look like just pain fun! If it were me, I'd have = used > just > > a bit more tin in the case though and had the wooden pipes painted in > bright > > primary colours, and added a large mobile full of notes and symbols = which > > would give a cartoonish effect of music emerging from the instrument. > > > > It's strange, every time I see that instrument I get this odd craving = for > > something with french fries. > > -- > Jan Nijhuis > nijhuis@email.com > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:49:50 -0600   I also like the piano in "Cold Mountain" - grand piano, just arrived in Texas from Charleston, SC - apparently by buckboard - and she opens up the keyboard and plays it as they bump and jostle down the dirt road. And she plays flawlessly - and the piano is perfectly in tune.   Nelson Denton wrote:   > > That reminds me of the movie "The Piano" where a square piano sits = neglected on > a stormy beach in Australia for months without getting the slightest = damage. > LOL! > >     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
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(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:22:46 -0500   At 10:42 AM 3/9/2004, Stephen Best wrote:   "So just what does an organ look like? There are pipe organs where no pipes are visible...so does an organ look a wall or a cloth curtain? = There are organs where all we see is a console and a few facade pipes...so does an organ look like that? There are organs where virtually everything is visible except for the blower and wind trunks...so does an organ look like =   that? "   I always used to think that an organ either had to look like the old 1825 Bishop in my church, or like the Wurlitzer in our local cinema - both of which are still playing in London.   Then I saw the organ in the Royal Festival Hall in London, which was = opened in 1954, and which I thought at the time was one of the best organs = around, with its open facade, - which I was once again able to both hear and see last October at the revived Wednesday Organ recitals. The sound from that =   instrument is really superb, - but I suppose that the room has a lot to do =   with it!   Another time, I was invited to visit a "home organ" in Victoria, British Columbia, a three manual early 1900's Casavant where I saw the organ = laid out in three small spaces, each with a glass, or maybe Plexiglas front, = and the console well away from them. This was not my concept of an organ, but =   it sounded magnificent.   So, although I do not really like the visual appearance of the organ in Disney Hall, - I hold judgment until I can hear it being played. The = proof of the pudding is in the eating! It is my guess that the organ will be superb in its sound.   Bob Conway