PipeChat Digest #4360 - Wednesday, March 10, 2004
 
Re: scandalously fun Alleluia verse for Easter Day
  by <MH1M@aol.com>
Re: Rumours    Thanks to Tim,
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com>
The Ax has fallen
  by "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu>
Re: OK, here's a fun question:
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net>
RE: Rumours    "E" for Eminent
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
RE: Rumours    "E" for Eminent
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
mea culpa; Disney Hall organ appearance
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
OK, here's a fun question:
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Disney Hall Organ
  by "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net>
Re: Other strange organ concoctions
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
3/14 concert in Naperville, IL
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Other strange organ concoctions
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Other strange organ concoctions
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re:  Disney Hall Organ / Sound
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
New Organ Info. on the Church Website  x-post
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
RE: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: scandalously fun Alleluia verse for Easter Day From: <MH1M@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:21:48 EST   Please send me   Thank you,   Michael    
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours Thanks to Tim, From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:32:21 -0600   LOL!!! Must be Eminent? <grin>   Tim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mattcinnj=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Rumours Thanks to Tim,     So much for using initials to protect the guilty / innocent ..... now = everyone knows who "C" is in my message. Any guesses about "E".?? Tim, you can't guess !!   Matt     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----   Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster.     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.616 / Virus Database: 395 - Release Date: 3/8/2004  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:40:08 -0600   Russ Greene wrote:   >Alternative 3 - a traditional looking pipe organ which would dominate the front of this most contemporary of concert halls - was quite simply never a possibility. Because this isn't an organ hall. It is a concert hall. Get over it.     Hi Russ,   Beautifully said. I've seen the pictures and agree it fits the design of the hall wonderfully. I believe those who find the design undignified have a very narrow sense of the organ's role as a musical instrument. Such a design would never work in a church and probably not in most concert halls (certainly not Symphony Hall in Boston). However, this organ is being installed in LA, the town that feeds the fantasies of the world. I believe for them and in this particular concert hall, the organ works. Thanks for posting.   Steve Chandler            
(back) Subject: The Ax has fallen From: "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:24:16 -0600   Dear Friends,   The author of this letter says he will keep trying, but it doesn't look=20 good, of course. It's too bad various people didn't see the warning signs= =20 and take preventative measures earlier. I hope people don't get mad at me= =20 for saying that. I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings. Gregory,=20 needless to say, your countless hours on this effort are not taken for=20 granted. You inspired many of us to fight; I for one would not have put in= =20 so many hours if it were not for you. Many letters of support of church=20 organists have been published in the Chicago Tribune, Pioneer Press, and=20 Daily Northwestern. It's been neat to see how many "lay people" are in=20 support of the organ and church music and want to see it continue. Fran   STOPSofNU <stopsofnu@yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:31:37 -0800 (PST) From: STOPSofNU Subject: Sad news, but don't give up In case you have not heard yet, the President, Provost, and General Faculty= =20 Committee all voted today (Monday) to accept Montgomery's recommendation to= =20 close the organ department. Below is a post that I placed on the=20 NUorganhelp yahoo group.   David Poile Ph.D, Organ, NU 1995   Greetings all, Yes, we have received some bad news today. On the other hand, we have been= =20 receiving great news for the last six weeks. We have witnessed an immense=20 outpouring of support for our instrument, unlike we have ever witnessed=20 before. We have witnessed many people getting involved to help save our=20 department=97many of whom were not even organists, such as an engineering=20 student, a guitar major, an ASG senator, a conducting student, a bassist=20 for the CSO, among many others. I, for one, a very disgruntled graduate of= =20 the organ program, would never have thought I=92d have witnessed the day=20 where I would be fighting hard at saving it. But, I did. We have witnessed= =20 that our instrument has meant more than mere economics or "enrollment" to=20 so many people. Unfortunately, we have also witnessed an attack on our instrument, which=20 has been most sad. I am sure that there are those in the President=92s,=20 Provost=92s, Dean=92s and perhaps the music cognition office who are=20 celebrating right now. Begrudgingly, we will have to admit that Toni-Marie did an excellent job at= =20 broadcasting her propaganda. "People, it is about the enrollment=97no=20 undergraduates since 2000=97national trends=97declining interest=97no= recognized=20 excellence=97resources need to be used more efficiently." And, I am sure= that=20 this will fit prominently on her resume when she goes to apply for her=20 presidency at whatever hapless university out there that does not know how= =20 to or care to do background checks. Her calling card will, no doubt, be, "I= =20 am a great academic leader because I eliminate departments!" Heck, if it=20 means that she will get the hell out of our university, I would even write= =20 her a letter of recommendation. We have learned many things in the last six weeks. We have learned that we= =20 did not have support from any of our "esteemed" faculty (with the exception= =20 of Doug, Maggie, Christine, and Barbara Butler from the trumpet=20 department). We have learned that faculty, who have said they were on our=20 side, were liars or wimps or both=97my gosh, you got unbelievable job=20 security (tenure) and you claim you can=92t speak up? We have learned that= =20 NU=92s history and traditions do not matter any more and that they must be= =20 replaced by the "dean=92s" view of history and tradition. Congratulations,= =20 Thelonious Monk, you just won out over Bach! We have learned that greed has been a cancer eating away at our school and= =20 which has been threatening academic studies in the pursuit of saving a few= =20 dollars for next quarter=92s report. (We got Rene Machado to thank for= that.)=20 My god, a $3.5 billion endowment and we are so poor that we must close=20 departments and raise tuition! Hell, why not shut everything down but=20 Kellogg and the engineering school? After all, these students are the only= =20 ones who give NU a return on their investment. In the School of Music, the= =20 "little revenue units" (and, yes, they do refer to the students as that in= =20 the president=92s office) do not matter. Fine, I say, let Northwestern be a= =20 business school and let them see how long it would be before the=20 university=92s reputation sinks to nothing. For whatever it is worth, I am not stopping my work at preventing this=20 closure. To borrow an oft-used political expression, "it=92s not over, until= =20 it=92s over." If any of you still care, and I hope that most of you do, we= =20 will all need to adhere to this motto. So, until all of the practice organs are sold and Millar Chapel is torn=20 down to make way for music cognition labs or condos, we must not stop.=20 There are still a few plans in place, and not all of our cards have been=20 played out yet. Admittedly, some of these plans may not make a whole lot of= =20 difference, but clearly we stand a better chance at change by doing=20 something than by doing nothing. David Poile Ph. D, Organ, NU 1995       Fran Walker (fwalker@northwestern.edu)      
(back) Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question: From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:45:59 -0600   Must have been one of my tunings :>) James Grebe Piano-Forte Tuning & Repair Artisan of Wood WWW.JamesGrebe.com 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010 pianoman@accessus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: Re: OK, here's a fun question:     > I also like the piano in "Cold Mountain" - grand piano, just arrived in > Texas from Charleston, SC - apparently by buckboard - and she opens up > the keyboard and plays it as they bump and jostle down the dirt road. > And she plays flawlessly - and the piano is perfectly in tune. > > Nelson Denton wrote: > > > > > That reminds me of the movie "The Piano" where a square piano sits neglected on > > a stormy beach in Australia for months without getting the slightest damage. > > LOL! > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Margo Dillard > Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX > Musical Feast Choral Society > Dillard Piano & Organ Studio > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: RE: Rumours "E" for Eminent From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:19:35 -0800 (PST)   Tom has guessed it !     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.  
(back) Subject: RE: Rumours "E" for Eminent From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:37:13 +0800   Coulda sworn it was ELPRO / CONTENT. :-)   ----- Original Message ----- From: Mattcinnj <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:19:35 -0800 (PST) To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: RE: Rumours "E" for Eminent   > Tom has guessed it ! > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.     -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:57:48 EST   I didn't intend to revisit the pro/con issue of the Disney Hall pipe = organ. I merely wanted to say that it seems to make sense when viewed from the = balcony as it was in the "Extreme Makeover" segment.   Stan Krider   In a message dated 03/07/2004 5:32:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:   "T.Desiree' Hines" wrote:   > This might not set well with some people but Imma say > it any way MMMMMMMMMM The Disney Organ! [Image] >   Anyone care to set up an online poll where folks from this group can go to vote their side of this debate? My money says the proponents outnumber the detractors by 10 to 1.   Mike    
(back) Subject: mea culpa; Disney Hall organ appearance From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:01:26 EST   Thanks to you, I stand humbly corrected. Stan Krider   In a message dated 03/07/2004 9:26:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 mewzishn@optonline.net writes:   > Rosales   It should be noted that the instrument has been built by the firm=20 Glatter-G=F6tz, with tonal design and finishing by Rosales.    
(back) Subject: OK, here's a fun question: From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:03:56 EST   Stranded on an island? ..with a pipe organ?   I would guess a hydraulus(sp)!?!?!?   Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Disney Hall Organ From: "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:03:34 -0800   All of this talk of the Disney Hall organ makes me even more excited to attend this years AGO Convention in Los Angeles when we shall get a = first hand hearing of this organ. My only hope is that this organ will be = played often so that the a whole new audience of people will be introduced to = the organ. Has anyone heard if they will have an organist in residence? A couple of teacher friends in the Los Angeles/ Orange County area mention that they plan to take field trips with their classes to the new Disney = Hall - it would be a marvelous opportunity to introduce young students to our beloved instrument! We should have a contest for the best Toccata and Fugues on a Disney Theme that the kids would recognize! =20   I do hope that this new organ will be utilized for concerts of all types = and on a regular basis. MTT of the San Francisco Symphony seems to have forgotten the massive Rufatti organ that stares down at him while on his podium - that organ very rarely gets played. =20      
(back) Subject: Re: Other strange organ concoctions From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:42:56 -0500     On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:47:29 -0500 Milo R. Shepherd <mrstwin2@cox.net> writes: > I think that you should look at the organ that is being built for the > Kimmel Center. Its suppose to be a floating pipe organ. It looks > nice but floating?       Floating? Whachutalkinboutwillis?   I've seen the case. It is most definitely bolted fast.   Jim  
(back) Subject: 3/14 concert in Naperville, IL From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:14:28 -0600   Next Sunday, March 14, at 7:00 PM there will be an organ and choir concert at St. Raphael Catholic Church, 1215 Modaff Rd., Naperville, IL. 3M 47R = (at present) Berghaus ES   Solo organ works and organists (from the Fox Valley AGO Chapter) featured:   Robert Horton: Buxtehude--Praeludium in d, BuxWV 140   Nicholas Basehore: Bach--Fugue in D, BWV 532   Carol Olmstead: Boellmann--Priere a Notre-Dame   Trevor Kahlbaugh: Durufle--Prelude from Suite, Op. 5, and Mendelssohn--Sonata No. 1   Steven Williams: Guilmant--Var. & Fugue on Stabat mater   April Stovall: Bach--F&F in g, BWV 542   Michael Surratt: Franck--Cantabile and Saint-Saens--Fantasy in Eb   Shirley Grudzien: RVW--Rhosymedre   Robert Lind: Lind--Fantasy on Deo gracias (dedicated to the church & its organists)   In addition, there are choir works (with St. Petronille choir joining St. Raphael's choir) as well as vocal and instrumental solos with organ and more! Proceeds from admission and silent auction go to the organ fund in bringing the instrument to its completion. We hope that Chicago-area = people on these lists will join us.   Many thanks, Robert Lind            
(back) Subject: Re: Other strange organ concoctions From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:12:50 -0500   On 3/9/04 2:47 PM, "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net> wrote:   > It looks nice but floating?   Having looked at the pictures, I suspect that that's a metaphorical use of the term "floating." (It DOES look quite stunning!)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Other strange organ concoctions From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:53:03 -0600   At 8:42 PM -0500 03/09/04, Jim McFarland wrote: >On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:47:29 -0500 Milo R. Shepherd <mrstwin2@cox.net> >writes: >> I think that you should look at the organ that is being built for the >> Kimmel Center. Its suppose to be a floating pipe organ. It looks >> nice but floating? > > > >Floating? Whachutalkinboutwillis? > >I've seen the case. It is most definitely bolted fast.   It better be bolted very well - the top of it leans out 4 degrees from the bottom! See: http://www.dobsonorgan.com/html/instruments/op76_philadelphia.html and then click on the Installation Photos which shows the angle of the case.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall Organ / Sound From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:41:50 -0800 (PST)   Oh well, I like it! It would appear that only three ranks of pipes figure into the rather jumbled "facade" - the 32' Wood, the 32' Reed and a handful of the chamade pipes. Behind that, there would seem to be: TADA! a pretty standard organ arrangement. It seems to fit seamlessly into the design of the hall. It makes an outstanding statement that is really crucial to the success of the hall's architecture.   Stop and consider that if the organ at Philharmonic Hall in New York hadn't been hidden demurely behind a scrim where it could only be seen/noticed when lighted during use, they wouldn't have been so quick to rip it out during the remodeling. Look at Tully Hall where the organ is completely hidden behind sliding panels when not in use, never to be seen except at organ concerts. Most of their patrons are probably unaware of it's existence. Look at the many concert halls where the organ forms such an innocuous aspect of the architecture that it is completely disposable when it stands in the way of gaining two more feet of stage space. When they ripped the pipe facades out of the sides of the Carnegie Hall stage, it was hardly noticeable - in fact it simplified and cleaned up the design. Look at Orchestra Hall in Chicago, where the pipe facade consisted of those little nondescript arches with some pipes. We know how long that organ stayed put.   Ten years down the road when they are doing a complete acoustic makeover of Disney Hall, they'll have to think twice about removing something so completely central to the success of the hall's architecture as that organ, which will certainly be what sticks most in the minds of concertgoers there.   We can't make it to the LA convention this year, because we'll be moving into our new home at that time, but I sure wish we could be there to hear and see it.   Ken (who is glad his Moller residence organ is on big strip wiring connectors so it can be easily moved without a soldering iron! Thank you Phil Parkey!)     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, Austin Op. 2097 at: = http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html Randolph Organ Company, curators =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: New Organ Info. on the Church Website x-post From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:59:40 EST   Our church website's music area has just been updated to include = information about the new pipe organ, including the drawings of the facades and the stoplist. It's amazing at how much interest the congregation has in the = organ project. In these days of churchesgetting rid of their organs, it's a = blessing to know that some churches are still firmly committed to the command in Psalm = 150 to "praise God with stringed instruments and organ." To view the = information and pictures of the organ, go to: http://www.fmbc-charlotte.org/fmbc2006musicorgan.htm Browse around the church website and take a look at our music ministry = area and the music ministry staff.   Monty Bennett Friendship Baptist Church Charlotte, NC    
(back) Subject: RE: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:11:00 -0600   > 2. Hide it completely behind some sort of sound-transparent material > which would blend with the architecture of the building, preserving the > integrity of the building but disguising the fact that the instrument > uses pipes instead of speakers - many of the patrons would never have > known the difference.   Point taken, but I'm not sure they'll know the difference in SEEING the pipes. :) I looked at the pic again, and if you look through the mess of wood, you can see pipes that most people identify with in a pipe organ. = (I wonder how many people in my church would be shocked to see the bottom octave of the 16' Gedeckt which are wood, or the wood Holzposaune 16' in = the pedal?)   >Because this isn't an organ hall. It is a concert hall. Get over it.   Granted. Gotten.   Jeff