PipeChat Digest #4361 - Wednesday, March 10, 2004
 
Re: Rumours
  by "Cheryl Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Rumours
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: What does an organ look like?
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Kimmel design
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Symphony Center, Chicago
  by "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com>
Re: What does an organ look like?
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Symphony Center, Chicago
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Dennis James Plays Rochester Wurlitzer this Saturday! (cross-posted)
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
trumpet parts for Easter Alleluia Verse, Year C, and alternate
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re:  Disney Hall Organ / Sound
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: New Organ Info. on the Church Website  x-post
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Rumours
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: Rumours
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
RE: Disney Hall Organ
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Rumours
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Other strange organ concoctions
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Rumours
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Other strange organ concoctions
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Rumours, now electronic stops
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net>
Re: Rumours, now electronic stops
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Rumours, now electronic stops
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Rumours, now electronic stops
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net>
Re:  Rumours, now electronic stops
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Rumours, now electronic stops
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Strange phenomenon - Gluey, glazed flaking rubber cloth
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Strange phenomenon - Gluey, glazed flaking rubber cloth
  by "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Rumours From: "Cheryl Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:53:07 +0000   Ah, Dale - I knew we were two hearts beating as one on this issue; my concern was that others would interpret the snipped snippet of mine as meaning the reverse (if you get my meaning <grin>).   And Noel - I do so wholeheartedly agree:-   >Now, neutering of organ sales people...that might be a good start.   Having now slated sales people in general, let me hasten to add that I = know a good many organ sales people (in person, and via these various discussions lists) who are honourable people; sadly, they appear to be in =   the minority. Maybe I could mention, in particular, that some of the = most honourable electronic organ sales people, in my experience, are the = Rodgers dealers. I have no idea what the Roland-Rodgers Corporation policy is on =   sales matters, but they would seem to me to attract the calibre of sales people for whom, I am happy to say, I have the greatest respect. Obviously some of you may feel that I have led a very sheltered =   life - ;-) - but I can assure you I am no longer naive or innocent (anyone =   who knows me can vouch for the truth of that!), and some people even call me astute (they may say that - I couldn't possibly comment).   Salesmen, in general, thinking about all walks of life, are indeed the = bane of *my* life, and at my (rapidly advancing) age I have the greatest fun in =   challenging virtually everything they say (and I'm not much of a cat lover =   either unless they are totally adorable and cuddly [and neutered] and will =   ignore the wild birds in my garden). I despise and abhor innuendo in any =   sales person, and the minute they start they are politely shown the door and (not quite as politely) wished a speedy journey down the road to perdition. I could wish that all church committees felt the same way - that might be a good neutering operation in itself.   It's been a pleasure to chat with you again, but now I beg your indulgence =   [ie, please don't raise topics on which I cannot resist some comment :-)] as I return to lurk mode [aka work].   Best wishes to all,   Cheryl   A humble financial controller and rusting organist, not a sales person                            
(back) Subject: Rumours From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:01:58 -0500   I received some information from the Cantor rep, and received info = including 2 demo CDs on both Cantor and Eminent. Therefore, this person represents both Cantor and Eminent.   Keith      
(back) Subject: Re: What does an organ look like? From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:13:28 EST   We think nothing of all of those Baroque and Rococo organ cases in Mediaeval churches, yet imagine how shocking, modern, and out of place = they looked when they first went in? Has anybody who has criticized the Disney Hall organ actually seen it = in three dimensions in that space? It's pretty overwhelming and spectacular, = fits perfectly with the room, and is the one and only thing people will look at =   until the concert begins. It is a monumental, contemporary advertisement = for the pipe organ in a completely secular setting -- something for which we have prayed for generations. Unlike Alice Tully Hall, where the organ "looks like an organ" and remains buried behind panels, unseen, because the management hates the = organ and organ music as a general concept, Disney Hall is a great service to us = all. I am sure that I'm not the only builder on this list who has had to = deal with institutional architects who have created ugly rooms and ugly organ = cases for us, yet Disney Hall was a collaboration, and a brilliant one at that. Fear not; it's not the wave of the future. My suggestion is that those = of you who are terrified, enraged, and embittered by a design that was built without your approval just stay home from the concert hall. I'm sure = they'll call you guys on the next go-around, after they've learned their lesson.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Kimmel design From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:20:56 EST   The organ facade actually tips out into the room... a bit scary for = those more comforted by verticality. I do not know how much input the organbuilder had, and how much the hall's architect dictated the design.  
(back) Subject: Symphony Center, Chicago From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:33:30 -0600   If I'm not mistaken, Symphony Center just put in a new Casavant which was =   featured on Pipedreams last year. David Schrader was "instrumental" in having the organ done right this time!   jim   O):^)   _________________________________________________________________ Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=3DCBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=3D= JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2    
(back) Subject: Re: What does an organ look like? From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:42:59 +0800   I am not enraged, embittered, terrified or anything else by it. You have = to live with it not me. I'll never see it in the flesh.Some of the new organs in this country have beautiful cases. I'll stick with them. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:13 PM Subject: Re: What does an organ look like? .. My suggestion is that those of > you who are terrified, enraged, and embittered by a design that was = built > without your approval just stay home from the concert hall. I'm sure they'll call > you guys on the next go-around, after they've learned their lesson.    
(back) Subject: Re: Symphony Center, Chicago From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:48:18 -0600   At 09:33 AM 3/10/04, you wrote:   >If I'm not mistaken, Symphony Center just put in a new Casavant   Here's an upcoming event that might be of interest:   Devon Hollingsworth, organist at Christ Church of Oak Brook, lectures and performs on the CSO Casavant organ on March25. Mr. Hollingsworth discusses composer Jan Pieterzoon Sweelinck, a contemporary of Rembrandt and one of the world's most significant musicians. The lecture includes a =   history of the pipe organ, a few samples of Sweelinck and his pupils' music, and performance from several other periods of pipe organ history.   Tickets are $30 each, no walk-ins, must be reserved ahead of time, and the =   ticket includes a viewing and lecture on Rembrandt at the Art Institute from 8:30 a.m. to 11:15 a.m., when Devon plays at Orchestra Hall. An optional box luncheon is available for an additional $15 after the = concert.   Call 312-294-3170 for information on how to reserve a ticket. The concert =   is sponsored by the Women's association of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra.     jch    
(back) Subject: Dennis James Plays Rochester Wurlitzer this Saturday! (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:08:58 -0500   California's Dennis James returns for his 12th Rochester Theater Organ Society performance on this Saturday, March 13 at 8:00 PM. Dennis will entertain us in concert on our Wurlitzer 4/23 in the NEW Auditorium = Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605.   The price of admission for this stellar event is only $15 each for non-members (RTOS members have free admission for the series) with tickets going on sale at the box office starting one hour before the concert. = There are over 2500 seats available for your listening pleasure.   Driving directions, Dennis James' biography, pictures and much more about the organ and theater are available at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ = .. Join us for a wonderful evening of theater organ music at its finest.   Submitted by, Ken Evans RTOS Director    
(back) Subject: trumpet parts for Easter Alleluia Verse, Year C, and alternate From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:30:09 -0800   It occurred to me that some of you might have access to brass for Easter Day, so I wrote a trumpet part for the Alleluia Verses. I'm sending it out to my download list; E-MAIL ME PRIVATELY if you're NOT on my download list and want a copy of the scores and parts. I provided parts for both Trumpet in C and Trumpet in B flat.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall organ appearance / Sound From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:37:28 -0800 (PST)     Steve Chandler Wrote       "Beautifully said. I've seen the pictures and agree it fits the design of the hall wonderfully. I believe those who find the design undignified have a very narrow sense of the organ's role as a musical instrument. Such a design would never work in a church and probably not in most concert halls (certainly not Symphony Hall in Boston). However, this organ is being installed in LA, the town that feeds the fantasies of the world. I believe for them and in this particular concert hall, the organ works. Thanks for posting."       Steve, very eloquently said! I particularly like and agree with the = statement about "narrow senses" . That can be applied to almost everything = in our field today.   Well said my friend!         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.  
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall Organ / Sound From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:44:31 -0800 (PST)     Ken Potter said:     "Ten years down the road when they are doing a complete acoustic makeover of Disney Hall, they'll have to think twice about removing something so completely central to the success of the hall's architecture as that organ, which will certainly be what sticks most in the minds of concertgoers there."   VERY TRUE! Peopl ewill see that organ and wonder how it sounds. Then they = will encourage it's frequent playing. Oh the wonders of that BEAUTIFUL = BEAST!       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.  
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ Info. on the Church Website x-post From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:54:39 -0800 (PST)   WORK IT Monty! Just work it! Im glowing and jealous!     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster.  
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 04:41:48 +0800   I believe they are both manufactured by the same company. Kind of like = Johannus/Makin (only not with differnt (continental/English) voicing.) = More like high-end/higher-end products ... Johannus Sweelink v. Johannus = Rembrant or Allen Renaissance/Allen Heritage. Perhaps it's more akin to = Wyvern and Phoenix, though I think the namebrand Wyvern has gone bye-bye.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:01:58 -0500 To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Rumours   > I received some information from the Cantor rep, and received info = including > 2 demo CDs on both Cantor and Eminent. Therefore, this person = represents > both Cantor and Eminent. > > Keith > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:58:30 -0500   At 04:41 AM 2004-03-11 +0800, you wrote: >I believe they are both manufactured by the same company. Kind of like >Johannus/Makin (only not with differnt (continental/English) voicing.) >More like high-end/higher-end products ... Johannus Sweelink v. Johannus >Rembrant or Allen Renaissance/Allen Heritage. Perhaps it's more akin to >Wyvern and Phoenix, though I think the namebrand Wyvern has gone bye-bye. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:01:58 -0500 > > > I received some information from the Cantor rep, and received info > including > > 2 demo CDs on both Cantor and Eminent. Therefore, this person = represents > > both Cantor and Eminent. > > > > Keith   Hello,   Cantor and Eminent are not manufactured by the same company, same people, etc. Eminent have their own synthesis type tone generator, whereas Cantor =   uses the Musicom system.   Wyvern I believe is a sales organization. They sell re-badged Contents, and also sell organs using the Phoenix technology.   Johannus makes a number of different levels organbuilding, from the inexpensive Opus models to the more expensive custom Monarke. They have a =   parallel line called Makin for more "British" inclined ears.   Allen Heritage is in fact "Renaissance" but a cook your own model, at an extra price.   I hope I didn't add any confusion here.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: RE: Disney Hall Organ From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:37:42 -0600   I believe the AGO recital will be the first official use of the Disney Hall organ.   The Davies Ruffatti suffers from having a nearly inaccessible console storage area. It take some effort (and $) to bring the organ up to ready-to-play status.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of John Jarvis Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:04 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Disney Hall Organ   All of this talk of the Disney Hall organ makes me even more excited to attend this years AGO Convention in Los Angeles when we shall get a first hand hearing of this organ. My only hope is that this organ will be played often so that the a whole new audience of people will be introduced to the organ. Has anyone heard if they will have an organist in residence? A couple of teacher friends in the Los Angeles/ Orange County area mention that they plan to take field trips with their classes to the new Disney Hall - it would be a marvelous opportunity to introduce young students to our beloved instrument! We should have a contest for the best Toccata and Fugues on a Disney Theme that the kids would recognize! =20   I do hope that this new organ will be utilized for concerts of all types and on a regular basis. MTT of the San Francisco Symphony seems to have forgotten the massive Rufatti organ that stares down at him while on his podium - that organ very rarely gets played. =20     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: RE: Rumours From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:46:53 -0600   Do the CDs have different sounds?   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Keith Zimmerman Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:02 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Rumours   I received some information from the Cantor rep, and received info including 2 demo CDs on both Cantor and Eminent. Therefore, this person represents both Cantor and Eminent.   Keith     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: Re: Other strange organ concoctions From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:48:45 -0600   But could it be that there are no manuals or pedals and all the divisions are floating? <g>   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Other strange organ concoctions     > On 3/9/04 2:47 PM, "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net> wrote: > > > It looks nice but floating? > > Having looked at the pictures, I suspect that that's a metaphorical use = of > the term "floating." (It DOES look quite stunning!)      
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:43:32 -0600   Hello, Keith, et al: WHOAH !!! You are way off base. Allen, Rodgers, Johannus, COS, Ahlborn-Gallanti, etc., are all digitally sampled organs. Cantor, Eminent, and all of the Musicom-based systems work on digital synthesis. Keep the apples and oranges in separate baskets. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Other strange organ concoctions From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:54:14 -0500   On 3/10/04 7:48 PM, "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   > But could it be that there are no manuals or pedals and all the = divisions > are floating? <g>   Dumb me. I was thinking metaphorically, but neglected THAT metaphor. As = of right now, you're surely quite right!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Rumours, now electronic stops From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:02:27 -0600   I've had an inquiry from a colleague in Italy who would like to have a digital 32' stop added to the pipe organ at his church and is wondering where to start. He thinks that it seems to be more prevalent over here and would like some advice. Can anyone help?   Mark    
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours, now electronic stops From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:19:37 -0800   Copeman Hart in England, if he wants top-of-the-line.   Bud   Mark W. McClellan wrote:   > I've had an inquiry from a colleague in Italy who would like to have a > digital 32' stop added to the pipe organ at his church and is wondering > where to start. He thinks that it seems to be more prevalent over here = and > would like some advice. Can anyone help? > > Mark > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours, now electronic stops From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:13:25 -0500   Walker Technical   Tom Hoehn, Organist http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute)(4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/98 Ruffati/Wicks/Rodgers) Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/Dairyland-ATOS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: Rumours, now electronic stops     > I've had an inquiry from a colleague in Italy who would like to have a > digital 32' stop added to the pipe organ at his church and is wondering > where to start. He thinks that it seems to be more prevalent over here = and > would like some advice. Can anyone help? > > Mark > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours, now electronic stops From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:33:15 -0600   But how do you get it over there for installation, and who does it? Can a tech do it over there?   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Rumours, now electronic stops     > Walker Technical >   >  
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours, now electronic stops From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:39:35 -0600   Hello, Mark: You wrote: > I've had an inquiry from a colleague in Italy who would like > to have a digital 32' stop added to the pipe organ at his > church and is wondering where to start. He thinks that it > seems to be more prevalent over here and would like some > advice. Can anyone help? This was recently done on the new LeTourneau organ in the seminary chapel in Waco, Texas. I know about this process and can put you in touch with the people who can get it done for you. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Rumours, now electronic stops From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:41:59 -0600   Hello, Mark: The first thing to do is connect with the people who CAN do the work. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..    
(back) Subject: Strange phenomenon - Gluey, glazed flaking rubber cloth From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:57:54 EST   Greetings,   We just encountered a very strange phenomenon in an organ we service. The rubber cloth in the curtain regulators and wind sleeves has liquified = sometime in the past, become gummy and/or hard as in glazed. In a few curtain = regulators, the rubber cloth on the rollers became either tacky (as in nearly dried = syrup on a table) and/or crisp and flakey as a wet-then-dried roll of newspaper. =   What appears to be a tar-like substance has run off the rubber cloth socks = and partly down the wind line. This run-off is very hard, almost like dripped, =   dried shellac. The rubber cloth in the static curtain reservoir as well as = in all chamber regulators was affected. Rubber cloth that was covered with black = tape was not affected.   What could have caused rubber cloth to become this glazed, easily broken piece of cloth? The heads of steel tacks used to hold this rubber cloth in = place are covered with a cream white colored chalky substance. The insides of = the metal windlines do not seem to have been affected.   Help please!?!?   Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Re: Strange phenomenon - Gluey, glazed flaking rubber cloth From: "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:05:19 -0800   Bug spray maybe....alcohol based spray cleaning product...some form of = clear spray paint...perhaps lacquer based...   Vern