PipeChat Digest #4371 - Monday, March 15, 2004 RC Lent- paschale solemnitatis by <RSiegel920@aol.com> Re: Wedding Processionals by <RMB10@aol.com> Paschale Solemnitatis by <email@example.com> Re: Disney Hall Organ by "bobelms" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Wedding Processionals by "Glenda" <email@example.com> Re: Wedding Processionals by <ContraReed@aol.com> Re: Disney Hall Organ by <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Wedding Processionals by "Mark W. McClellan" <email@example.com> Re: leathered lips by <RMaryman@aol.com> Re: Wedding Processionals by <firstname.lastname@example.org> Disney Hall Organ by "Bill" <email@example.com> Re: Wedding Processionals by "Mark W. McClellan" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: wearing out old pipes by "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Re: use of the organ during Lent in Roman Catholic churches by "Cole" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Wedding Processionals by <OMusic@aol.com> Re: repertoire question by "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Re: Wedding Processionals by <firstname.lastname@example.org> Josh Grobin: "You Raise Me Up" by "Mike Franch" <email@example.com> Re: Josh Grobin: "You Raise Me Up" by "chemphill" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Re: Wedding Processionals by "Jeff White" <email@example.com> Re: Wedding Processionals by "Richard Schneider" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: rotting pipes? by "John Foss" <email@example.com> Success with uploads at last! by "John Foss" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: RC Lent- paschale solemnitatis From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:41:22 EST http://www.wf-f.org/paschaleSolemnitatis.htmL is the correct site- sorry
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:13:02 EST >Hi, fellow organists ~ > Need some suggestions for wedding processionals, please. THE Widor = is, of >course, the usual choice for recessionals but would like to find = something >"fresh" for processionals. Thanks in advance! > MaryLee Festive Trumpet Tune--David German Entrata Festiva--David Lasky Rondeau--Jean-Joseph Mouret Crown Imperial--William Walton Prelude to the Te Deum--Marc-Antoine Charpentier OR, suggest to the bride that the congregation sing a hymn in lieu of an instrumental processional--I've done that before and it's very effective. = I've used hymns such as Lift High the Cross or Praise My Soul the King of = Heaven (Lauda Anima) and other majestic hymns. Do it up big with interludes and = a fancy intro and can be more exciting than a trumpet tune type of processional. Monty Bennett Friendship Baptist Church Charlotte, NC
(back) Subject: Paschale Solemnitatis From: <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:28:09 -0800 This is a GOLD MINE to use against Parish Councils, Pastors, and others who seek to demolish traditional Roman Catholic liturgy and music (whether in Latin or English). It ENJOINS the singing of the Passion and the Exsultet, among other things; it INSISTS that the Veneration of the Cross be SUNG; it makes NO mention of omitting the Improperia on account of supposed anti-semitism .... the list goes on and on. And since it is from the Congregation for Divine Worship in ROME, IT HAS THE FORCE OF LAW FOR THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH; it MAY NOT be superceded, set aside, or tampered with by local bishops ... still LESS by individual PRIESTS (OR organists, for that matter). ROMA LOCUTA EST; CAUSA FINITA EST! Cheers, Bud http://www.wf-f.org/PaschaleSolemnitatis.html#anchor257356 Paschale Solemnitatis Circular Letter Concerning the Preparation and Celebration of the Easter Feasts Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments January 16, 1988 Preface [1-5] I. Lenten Season [6-26] A. Concerning the Rite of Christian Initiation [7-10] B. Celebrations during the Lenten Season [11-20] C. Particular Details Concerning the Days of Lent [21-26] II. Holy Week [27-37] A. Passion Sunday [28-34] B. The Chrism Mass [35-36] C. The Penitential Celebrations in Lent  III. The Easter Triduum in General [38-43] IV. Holy Thursday Evening Mass of the Lord's Supper [44-57] V. Good Friday [58-72] VI. Holy Saturday [73-76] VII. Easter Sunday of the Lord's Resurrection [77-99] A. The Easter Vigil [77-96] 1. The Meaning of the Nocturnal Character of the Easter Vigil [78-80] 2. The Structure of the Easter Vigil and the Significance of Its Different Elements and Parts [81-92] 3. Some Pastoral Considerations [93-96] B. Easter Day [97-99] VIII. Easter Time [100-108] Endnotes
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall Organ From: "bobelms" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:22:53 +0800 Well JJ, out of the "mouths of babes"! We got the truth. It did not look = like an organ to them. French Fries is pretty apt I believe. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Jarvis=20 To: email@example.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 11:50 PM Subject: Disney Hall Organ An article in this morning's Newspaper that is attributed to the = Washington Post described a tour of the new Disney Concert Hall. When = local children were asked what the organ looked like they got responses = of Fettuccini, Yellow Pepper Strips and French Fries. I bet those kids = will always remember that place with the organ that looked like French = Fries! I wonder if they will ever "SuperSize" those Fries? JJ
(back) Subject: RE: Wedding Processionals From: "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:48:55 -0600 No, the Mendelssohn Third Sonata is better. Skip the central section unless you have a really long train or a lot of bridesmaids, or get the entire choir to process. Glenda Sutton email@example.com -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of cnash cnash Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 3:54 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals Mendelssohn Second Sonata...the Allegro section makes a GREAT March!
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:11:35 EST In a message dated 3/14/04 8:14:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, RMB10@aol.com = writes: << suggest to the bride that the congregation sing a hymn in lieu of an instrumental processional >> If you do this, please do not sing the Old 124th - "Turn Back O Man" (ducking)
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall Organ From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:14:58 -0500 Of course it didn't, these days an "organ" looks like what we know to be a console. If they'd rolled out the secondary stage electric-action console, the kids might've pointed to it as the organ after wondering about the super-sized french fries. Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY On 14 Mar 2004, at 8.22 PM, bobelms wrote: > It did not look like an organ to them.
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: "Mark W. McClellan" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:23:53 -0600 Bridal March in C from "The Birds of Aristophanes" by C. Hubert = Parry=20 (Thanks, Virgil!)
(back) Subject: Re: leathered lips From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:33:05 EST In a message dated 3/14/2004 12:28:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: List, I have a question. Why would an organ building firm such as Estey, = put leather on mouths of the 8' diapason? What is the advantage of doing = that? It doesn't seem to be the practice any longer. Gary one reson would have been to have the pipe generate a very = fundamental-loaded tone with not too many upper partials (harmonics). Leather lipped pipes = coud generate a very powerful (loud!) tone without becoming screetchy. This is = just the opposite effect of having a skived upper lip, which would have a = tendency for the pipe to generate a tone with lots of upper partials. Rick in VA
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:43:45 -0800 I DEVOUTLY wish the whole "marching" thing would DISAPPEAR, along with outrageous expenditures for dresses, flowers, etc., and it HAS, in a few sane liturgical churches. Bride, groom, two witnesses, parents, (choir, if they're available) sanctuary party ... that's all that's required. The celebration is carried out the same as a normal Sunday Eucharist, plus the marriage service. Sing a hymn going in, and a hymn going out. Here's the thing: the amount spent on all the frou-frou could provide a SIZEABLE nest-egg for the newly-weds. No, it's NOT "the bride's day" ... it's the day when the BRIDE *AND* THE GROOM *AND* THEIR FAITH COMMUNITY come together to ask GOD'S blessing on their union. It's not the CULMINATION; it's the BEGINNING. Have you ever seen an ATTRACTIVE (or re-usable) BRIDESMAID'S DRESS? (chuckle) Mark W. McClellan wrote: > > > Bridal March in C from "The Birds of Aristophanes" by C. Hubert = Parry > > (Thanks, Virgil!)
(back) Subject: Disney Hall Organ From: "Bill" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:38:37 -0600 According to their Web site, it's scheduled to be used about 7 times in its first season -- with 4 of those being solo recitals. I would imagine it costs a pretty penny to open the hall for any event, and the odds of filling a couple thousand seats for an organ recital (and making a profit) are fairly slim. It would have been nice to include a smaller recital hall (and organ?) within the complex for smaller events -- and smaller rental fees. >>Subject: Disney Hall Organ >>From: "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net> >>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:03:34 -0800 >>I do hope that this new organ will be utilized for >>concerts of all types and on a regular basis. >>MTT of the San Francisco Symphony seems to >>have forgotten the massive Rufatti organ that stares >>down at him while on his podium - that organ very >>rarely gets played.
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: "Mark W. McClellan" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:54:26 -0600 Yes. I played for the same gal three times. ----- Original Message ----- From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> > > Have you ever seen an ATTRACTIVE (or re-usable) BRIDESMAID'S DRESS? > (chuckle) >
(back) Subject: RE: wearing out old pipes From: "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:58:58 -0800 (PST) Hello, Well, now you ask a different question, to which the answer has to be, "correct." Regards, Colin Mitchell UK --- Jeff White <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > Would it be a more fair statement to say that > "standard flue pipes" tend to > not wear out? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: use of the organ during Lent in Roman Catholic churches From: "Cole" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:00:44 -0500 Bud wrote: >The Eastern Orthodox, who are usually right about such things, hold that >EVERY Sunday is a "little Easter", and sing alleluia straight through. >Cheers, >Bud The Eastern Orthodox also count the Sabbath (Saturday) as not of Lent. Their Lenten season is longer as only five days a week are counted. In the = Western Rite churches, The days of Lent begin with Ash Wednesday and end = on Holy Saturday. Sundays are not "of" Lent but are "in" the Lenten season. I = always have to correct the Altar Guild ladies when they put the work "of" up on the hymn boards. I also call up churches who use the "Sunday of" on their announcement boards in front of their buildings. Right now, Lent = only lasts 40 days and if you count the days, Sundays are not included as each Sunday is a commemoration of the Lord's glorious resurrection from the = dead. Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:09:13 EST He played the whole piece and the Processional was during the = congregational singing. Actually, most of the singers were in the procession. Lee = (Eyrline Morgan)
(back) Subject: Re: repertoire question From: "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:09:37 -0800 (PST) Hello, A full list would be exhausting to tap out. However, the following are worthy of further investigation:- Scheidemann Hanff Bull Tunder Radeck Weckmann Muffat Hassler Kerll Pieter Cornet van der Kerkhoven Froberger Of the above, the music of some is unknown to me, but I have been impressed by some fine music by Van Der Kerkhoven which deserves to be better known. In the UK, we had some fine music written by Nares, of which I only know one work. Nares was born (literally) on the runway at Heathrow Airport, and was, at some time or other, organist of York Minster. Froberger's difficult and demanding works are well know enough. My suggestion would be to dig around the Dutch performers, who specialise in these period works and often record them....they have the organs, after all! One of the most prolific composers of all time, I confess to knowing absolutely nothing about the music of Hassler, but I gather he wrote organ music. Anyone know any of it? Regards, Colin Mitchell UK --- Randolph Runyon <email@example.com> wrote: > In the category of baroque preludes, toccatas, > fantasias, and fugues in the > German tradition, what composers do you find to be > of interest beside Bach, > Boehm, Bruhns, Buxtehude, Krebs, Lubeck, Pachelbel, > and Walther? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:28:21 -0800 ROFLMAO! Bud Mark W. McClellan wrote: > Yes. I played for the same gal three times. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <email@example.com> > >>Have you ever seen an ATTRACTIVE (or re-usable) BRIDESMAID'S DRESS? >>(chuckle) > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Administration: mailto:email@example.com > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > > >
(back) Subject: Josh Grobin: "You Raise Me Up" From: "Mike Franch" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:37:34 -0600 I've been tinkering with this piece on the organ. I start out with the = Oboe as solo on the choir and strings as the accompiament. I move to and from = the Great with this piece and use the Crescendo pedal sparingly, but as neceesary. You definitely have to think outside the box with this piece, but I'm enjoying playing around with it. Someday, I'll dare myself to play it = during a service. I'm sure the pop music crowd would enjoy it. Anyone else tinkering with this piece, or any other current popular piece you'd like to share? Mike Franch Madison, WI _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =96 get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
(back) Subject: Re: Josh Grobin: "You Raise Me Up" From: "chemphill" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:00:19 -0600 We have an arrangement of it that we are learning-SATB and have already = used it as a solo piece at a couple of funerals. Tina Hemphill-St. Joan of Arc Church----- Nashotah, Wisconsin
(back) Subject: RE: Re: Wedding Processionals From: "Jeff White" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:18:11 -0600 > When I was in Germany in the service...was asked to play for a > wedding. I ended up playing the Processional from the Sound of > Music. The Bride absolutely loved the idea and it was a big hit. Is it to be assumed that you stopped before the part where the nuns come back in with "How do you solve a problem like Maria?" :) Jeff, who's organ instructor got to play the organ in Sound of Music.
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: "Richard Schneider" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:47:44 -0600 cnash cnash wrote: > Mendelssohn Second Sonata...the Allegro section makes a GREAT March! Yes it does. As a matter of fact, I met my bride half-ways down the aisle (it was a "Y" that met just behind the organ console!) to that piece. It must have worked, since it's 28 years as of the 27th and counting. . . Only getting better every day! Faithfully, G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX email@example.com Home Office EMAIL firstname.lastname@example.org SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS
(back) Subject: Re: rotting pipes? From: "John Foss" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:32:21 +0000 (GMT) I suspect that in the centrally heated, air conditioned, fully carpeted "living rooms" that seem to be the norm for churches in the USA, damp is rarely a problem! However in, for example, some of the riverside churches in London's East End, with rarely used, rudimentary heating, an area where I was an organist some 40 years ago, I have seen pipes which have deteriorated as a result of damp. I do not think that the languid and upper lip give the sound originally intended by the builder - speech can be slow and imprecise. I imagine, though am not certain, in these fairly rare circumstances that this is a result of conditions changing the physical state of the mouth. Another source of physical deterioration in pipes, again rarely encountered, was gas central heating. In the damp atmosphere of one non-conformist church, heated in this way in Kilburn, North London, the result appeared to be the formation of diluted sulphuric acid, which had a disastrous effect on the organ - maybe the congrgation as weel! On the topic of church acoustics, you might like to visit the "Litugical Anti Carpet Movement", an idea of Australian Organist Christopher Cook. This project is to raise conscienceness about the detrimental effects of acoustical dampening in liturgical spaces. http://au.geocities.com/accook2001/music/carpet.htm John Foss Sebastian M. Gluck wrote: I've just not seen wooden pipes rot or get moldy, unless they've been lying on a wet basement floor for extended periods. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : American Politics The Burning Bush Gay "marriage" Hubble benefits ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
(back) Subject: Success with uploads at last! From: "John Foss" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:58:42 +0000 (GMT) Further to the discussion on digital additions, I have at last succeeded in downloading some recordings from my mini disk player to my PC and thence uploading them to the net. So far there are two - I propose to add one a week. The first two are Zadok the Priest, performed at the Royal Albert Hall in London in the 1976 Pueri Cantores festival, which attracted some 7,000 singers from RC boys choirs from around the world. This is the British Contribution, which includes the combined choirs of Southwark RC Cathedral, Our lady of Grace, Chiswick and a few others. I am at the mighty Wurlitzer - or maybe it's a Harrison - who could tell in acoustics like this! It's a sort of competition at the behest of the conductor to see who could make the most noise. The other file is bach's Chorale Prelude from the "18", "Komm Gott Schopfer Heiliger Geist", recorded last night on my house organ. I used the Ahlborn Archive for the manual stops and added the Viscount Posaune 16 and Klarine 4 for the Cantus Firmus in the second half. You will have to become a group member to get access to the files and photos, which also include James Nerstheimer's design for an organ case, Colin Mitchell's and my photos and a links page. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ On the recording of my house organ Colin Mitchell wrote: " The "Komm Gott schopfer" recording is really quite excellent. Well paced, clear, nice phrasing etc etc. However, what struck me was not only the splendid playing, but the excellence of the organ. My words, how practice instruments are now knocking on the door of the serious pipe organ makers!" Will Light wrote (re Zadok) "Well, that was very interesting!! I think they won in the noise contest, but you won in the accuracy and refinement class!!" and another member wrote "Thanx John. Enjoyed it! Can I come to Greece now for lessons?<grin>" So you can now make your own mind's up! John Foss =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : American Politics The Burning Bush Gay "marriage" Hubble benefits ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html