PipeChat Digest #4373 - Monday, March 15, 2004
 
Re: The whole "marching" thing
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
"Sound of Music" Processional
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Congratulations Due Chris Howerter
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Wedding Processionals
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
What about OUR Wedding/Holy Union music?
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: "Sound of Music" Processional
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Josh Grobin: "You Raise Me Up"
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
RE: Wedding Processionals
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
[Fwd: RE: question about the use of the organ in Holy Week]
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Josh Grobin: "You Raise Me Up"
  by "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com>
Re: "Sound of Music" Processional
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Chicago Cathedral
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
RE: Wedding Processionals
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
RE: "Sound of Music" Processional
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: Disney Hall Organ
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: "Sound of Music" Processional
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
Re: Chicago Cathedral
  by <mewzishn@optonline.net>
RE: The whole "marching" thing
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Wedding Processionals
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Wedding Processionals
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: The whole "marching" thing From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:09:44 -0800   Yes, I guess I DO live in a dream world where GOD, the CHURCH, and the SACRAMENT of Matrimony ARE more important than brides' egos and bride's daddies' bank accounts.   No WONDER the divorce rate stands at more than 50%, with THOSE kinds of priorities.   Bud   Charlie Lester wrote:   > quilisma@cox.net said, > > =3D-> I DEVOUTLY wish the whole "marching" thing would DISAPPEAR, along > with outrageous expenditures for dresses, flowers, etc., and it HAS, in > a few sane liturgical churches. <-=3D > > > Boy, are you ever living in a dream world! As one who has played for > more than a thousand weddings, I can tell you that dresses, flowers, > bridesmaids, ring bearers, etc, AND "marching" [processionals] aren't > going to disappear anytime soon from "mainstream" weddings. > > ~ > C > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: "Sound of Music" Processional From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:19:23 -0800   =3D-> I just always wondered about using that piece...how do you end it before that part of the music (the nuns) with dignity? Inquiring minds... <-=3D     I was first requested to play this for a wedding back in the late 1970s sometime. I looked and looked, but could not find the music. So I got out a portable record player (anyone remember those things?!), perched it on the bench next to me and worked it out by ear. Later, when I finally found the printed music I was quite amazed to learn that I had gotten it right, note for note and chord for chord!   As to how I end it, what I do is this: Right before it segues into "How do you solve a problem like Maria...", the very last chord just before that is is a dominant whole-note chord, with downward quarter notes in the pedal -- sol-fa-mi-re.... CUE NUNS ""How do you solve a problem like Mariaaaaaah..."   Well, I just end the piece right there on that dominant chord by then going to a big, long Tonic chord where the nuns would be singing "HOW..." ----- then go dummmm da-da-da dah-dah dummmm da-da-da dah-dah DUMMMMMMMM in the pedal alternating on do & sol(down) and throwing on the 32' for the very last DUMMMMMMM. This ending works just fine with a grand and stately ritardando.   (This part of the piece is in Bb --- the chorale-like "introduction" part of the piece starts in F, then there is a harmonically beautiful modulatory bridge to Bb for the more stately processional part. The latter can be repeated ad lib as necessary.   A couple of times, I have been asked to do this for the wedding party and then make a transition into "Here Comes the Bride" for the woman of the hour -- which works perfectly without having to modulate.   ~ C    
(back) Subject: Congratulations Due Chris Howerter From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:32:45 -0500   Dear List,   Chris Howerter is a fairly frequent poster on pipechat, and I have = received today from his teacher, Stephen Roberts, (who just barely has time to = manage to keep up with PipOrg-L, and so is not on this list), some very good news about him, which makes glad the heart. Chris is a very hard-working guy, = and has overcome many obstacles to achieve a lot. Here is news of a very encouraging pay-off that has come his way, well-deserved. I am copying = this from PipOrg-L where it appeared today.   From Stephen Roberts:   "Chris Howerter . . . just telephoned me this morning with some excellent news: Chris won first prize in the Charlotte Hoyt Bagnall Scholarship Competition. This competition is sponsored by a successful businessman = from Simsbury, CT, in honor of his late wife, Charlotte Hoyt Bagnall, who was = an organist. This is a competition with a difference: students not only play organ literature, but they also must play a hymn selected by the = competition committee--in this case "Sine Nomine"-- and accompany an anthem as if directing a choir. The anthem this year was "Like As The Hart" by Herbert Howells. The organ selections must be pieces appropriate for a prelude = and a postlude in a church service. Chris' pieces were the Franck <Prelude, Fugue, et Variation> and <Dialogue sur les Mixtures> of Langlais.   First prize in the Bagnall competition is $1,500, by the way.   Since Chris began to study with me in August, he has worked very hard and made wonderful progress. Chris drives up from his home in Pennsylvania about once every two weeks on average to take a lesson with me. Chris = will be finishing high school this spring, and will be a freshman in my organ class at Western CT State University this fall. Chris is a fine young = man, and he shows real talent and promise. I don't think that Chris would mind my saying that in many ways life has been rather hard for him up until = now. Winning this competition is a great boost to his morale, and will help him = a great deal financially. In June Chris will be moving to CT to be Director of Music at Salem Lutheran Church in Naugatuck, CT. Chris will turn eighteen in June.   As many of you know, I'm a big believer in students entering competitions. They are not an end in themselves, nor a be all and end all, but a great learning experience if approached in the proper way. Students have to = work hard to hone their pieces to a fine polish. Playing in a competition is very stressful; this is a great preparation for the kinds of stresses that they will encounter later in life, I think. Competitions build poise and skill, and if the students win, they are a great confidence builder. I = like the Charlotte Hoyt Bagnall competition especially, since it not only = judges the students on their performance of organ literature, but also on = practical service playing skills. Let's face it: the lot of the organist in our culture and country has always been inextricably linked to the church. Students must prepare for the real world, and develop the kinds of skills that they will need to be a good church musician, as well as a performer. It's a tall order, but to be a happy, well adjusted person in this = business: that's exactly what is necessary.   Congratulations to Chris Howerter; he's a fine young man who has worked = very hard to earn this honor. I'm very proud of Chris, and I'm delighted to = have him as a student.   Stephen Roberts Western CT State University, Danbury, CT"   Malcolm adds:   Just yesterday, Chris took part in a Bach Marathon at Muehlenberg College = in Allentown, PA. Chris is Organist/Choirmaster at St. Paul's Lutheran = Church, Bethlehem, PA, where he will, I note from the Lehigh Valley AGO chapter website, conduct a most ambitious concert with the area Youth Symphony and = a large choir on April 16th at 7:30. If you are in the area, that sounds = like a good Friday night activity. Chris is also presenting an Organ recital at the gorgeous St. John's Lutheran Church in Allentown, at 7:30 on June = 14th, a Monday evening. Chris lists this as a "Graduation Concert," which I presume, means graduation from high school. There is no moss growing on = THIS high school student, a real success story already, and it's only just = begun.   Congratulations to Chris and to his teacher, Stephen Roberts at the very congenial college down the road from us here, Western Connecticut State University. If it's an Organ teacher ye seek, here is the e-mail address. Get with it, as the studio is filling up. sroberts01@snet.net   Malcolm Wechsler      
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:56:07 -0800 (PST)   Whoa! That is overblown wedding, but for extra money...oh well!       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam  
(back) Subject: What about OUR Wedding/Holy Union music? From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:09:23 -0800 (PST)   Well, for My wedding...of course...is going to be blow out itself. LOL = Even my mama asks "Who will play for the wedding of a good organist?" . It = will be a liturgical wedding, since mama and I both became "Liturgical = Christians" when I got into Anglo-Catholicism. So scripture, homily, the = whole 9 yds. Prelude music will be the Purcell's Ceremonial Trumpet Tune for King = Arthur, Dupre's Prelude and Fugue in B Major, Mal Archers Cantilene and = Handel's Largo from Xersex. I want my mama and family to walk in to the = Grand Choeur Diologue. the Brides maids and myself will walk into the Carillon of Westminster, = with my walking in at that dramatic musical growth after the 9/8 (or is it = 6/8) section. We will sing a hymn, probably Praise My Soul, and the = recessional will be the Finale from Vienre's 6th Symphony. So an organist with great skill will be needed. I'll probably get Joe Adam = from St James in Seattle, because he knows most of this music and plays it = with great passion.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam  
(back) Subject: Re: "Sound of Music" Processional From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:24:19 -0500   And the bill for using this piece, especially for having "taken it down by = harmonic dictation" is $175,000 per use. Write a check. Send it in. The = publisher is waiting!!!   Just kidding, Charlie! (I hope!!!)   DRider Independence, MO  
(back) Subject: Re: Josh Grobin: "You Raise Me Up" From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:28:49 -0500   Publisher?  
(back) Subject: RE: Wedding Processionals From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 04:26:08 +0800   All worship at the alter of Tama and Zildjian.   "Bang, bang! on the drum, baby, bang, bang!" -- The B-52's   > ... let's just get rid of that big thing that takes up all of that space > at the front of the church and melt those pipe things down and use that > space for something more productive like a keyboard or drumset. Would = save > a lot of money too!! > > Christopher Nash   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: [Fwd: RE: question about the use of the organ in Holy Week] From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:42:34 -0800   Herewith the response of the San Diego RC Diocesan Liturgy Office ... I didn't have the footnote from the Ceremonial of Bishops.   Cheers,   Bud   -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: question about the use of the organ in Holy Week Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:54:21 -0800 From: Mary Ann Fallon <mfallon@diocese-sdiego.org> To: <quilisma@cox.net>   Dear Bud, There is a document from the Congregation of Divine Worship in Rome, dated 1988, titled, "Circular Letter Concerning the Preparation and Celebration of the Easter Feasts," that states the following regarding the Mass of the Lord's Supper on Holy Thursday. "During the singing of the hymn, 'Gloria in excelsis,'in accordance with local custom, the bells may be rung but should thereafter remain silent until the 'Gloria in excelsis' of the Easter Vigil, unless the conference of bishops or the local irdinary, for a suitable reason, has decided otherwise. During this same period, the organ and other musical instruments may be used only for the purpose of supporting the singing. (n. 50)   This last sentence is footnoted and the source is the Ceremonial of Bishops, n. 300.   I hope this is helpful. Mary Ann Director, Office for Liturgy and Spirituality Diocese of San Diego 858-490-8290 mfallon@diocese-sdiego.org     -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@cox.net [mailto:quilisma@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:58 AM To: Mary Ann Fallon Subject: question about the use of the organ in Holy Week     Can you point me to (preferably send me) a definitive statement as to whether or not the organ may be used solely to accompany the singing from the Gloria of Maundy Thursday until the Gloria of Easter Vigil? I tried searching the USCCB site, but that has GOT to be the slowest and most inefficient search engine imaginable.   The subject has come up on a church music news-group; I know I have read it SOMEWHERE, but I can't FIND it.   THANKS!   Bud Clark 2616 University Ave. San Diego CA 92104 619-683-7752              
(back) Subject: Re: Josh Grobin: "You Raise Me Up" From: "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:36:21 -0600   Hal Leonard.. I bought the SAB arrangement from J W Pepper. There is also SATB, and a two part arrangement. http://peppermusic.com/catalog/search ----- Tina Hemphill St. Joan's    
(back) Subject: Re: "Sound of Music" Processional From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:55:25 -0800   Nope. You're absolutely correct. The folks who own the "Sound of Music" tunes take a VERY dim view of that sort of thing ... vide the flap over singing "Edelweiss" with some sappy Christian words.   Cheers,   Bud   ProOrgo53@aol.com wrote:   > And the bill for using this piece, especially for having "taken it down = by harmonic dictation" is $175,000 per use. Write a check. Send it in. = The publisher is waiting!!! > > Just kidding, Charlie! (I hope!!!) > > DRider > Independence, MO > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: RE: Chicago Cathedral From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:49:00 -0500   > there's now...a large Flentrop in the > back but it's still a lousy room for music.   > Easily the wimpiest 117 ranks in captivity, too.     It's definitely in captivity-- to the wall-to-wall carpeting. Was it = there when the organ was being designed and built? I doubt it.   The first time I entered that building, as a callow college freshman at = large for the first time in his life in the big city, winter 1967, = someone was practicing "Litanies" on the old Wangerin. The sound rolled = around for several seconds and sounded thrilling. Then they shut up the = whole place for several years of renovation. Time and again I returned = only to see cathedral still enshrouded in scaffolding. I liked the new = stations of the cross, bas-relief sculptures under lighting that casts = long shadows. And the elaborate ceiling was restored. But otherwise = the place has the atmosphere of "a living room you could land a plane = in," to quote Arthur, because of all the ill-advised filthy fiber = covering the floor. Compared to how it was before, it is really a case = of "Ichabod: the glory has departed."   There was a program on the radio this morning about an alarming increase = in asthma. The rate of this disease in Philadelphia schoolchildren is = now 20-25%. Nobody knows exactly why, but cockroaches, dust, and air = pollution are widely suspected. It's rather incredible that a carpet = with heavy traffic can last a generation-- they must have spent a = fortune replacing parts of it-- but if not, obviously the carpeting in = Holy Name Cathedral has now accumulated a generation's worth of grime. = Perhaps an appeal to cleanliness and public health can forestall the = proliferation (prodeatheration?) of such a frivolous amenity, when all = other arguments have failed.   =20    
(back) Subject: RE: Wedding Processionals From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:56:37 -0500   My ideal choice for a major wedding in a sizeable church would be: = Fanfare, by John Cook (is/was published as sheet music by Novello). =20   In fact, I like the idea so much, I insist that my wife-to-be walk down = the aisle to that thrilling piece. If she doesn't care for it, then = maybe she's not the woman for me.   So I'm still a bachelor ;-)    
(back) Subject: RE: "Sound of Music" Processional From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:59:56 -0000   Do you think I'd better gag the Cuckoo in my clock then? After he cuckoos the hour he turns on a musical box which plays Edelweiss ever hour. He = also plays "The Happy Wanderer" on the half hours!   Will Light Coventry UK     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of quilisma@cox.net Sent: 15 March 2004 20:55 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: "Sound of Music" Processional   Nope. You're absolutely correct. The folks who own the "Sound of Music" tunes take a VERY dim view of that sort of thing ... vide the flap over singing "Edelweiss" with some sappy Christian words.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall Organ From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:08:40 -0800 (PST)   I just listened to the recording of the radio story on the organ.Even = DURING the voicong stage, it sounded magnificent! The solo trumpets are = very warm and majectic, not blatty. Cant WAIT for LA! The 04-05 season is being used to highlight the organ and yes... The organ was inspired by the fries from a Happy Meal! Disney/Pixar does = have a great brotherhood with McD's. They are accompanying a silen movie = on Halloween.         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam  
(back) Subject: Re: "Sound of Music" Processional From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:15:55 -0500   I had a wedding last year where this was requested as the processional. I = said that I didn't have the music, and due to the extreme lack of sheet = music stores in the area, wouldn't have any idea where to get it. Lo and = behold, she came up with the sheet music, and there is a written in = "detour" so that you don't break into "How do you solve" Haven't used the = music since... I wasn't extremely wild about it.   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: Re: Chicago Cathedral From: <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:27:14 -0500   When I was there something like 7 years ago, I recall there being some kind of poured flooring substance -- very hard, but also it looked very porous -- under the pews. I found it difficult to believe that anything ever sonically rolled around that room unless it was being pushed down the aisle by a small tractor.   Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY   On 15 Mar 2004, at 3.49 PM, Emmons, Paul wrote:   > It's definitely in captivity-- to the wall-to-wall carpeting.    
(back) Subject: RE: The whole "marching" thing From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:14:12 -0500   > Boy, are you ever living in a dream world! As one who has=20 played for more than a thousand weddings, I can tell you=20 that dresses, flowers, bridesmaids, ring bearers, etc, AND=20 "marching" [processionals] aren't going to disappear anytime=20 soon from "mainstream" weddings.   This is due first to sheer ignorance, which in turn must be laid at the = feet of those who are supposed to be the teachers in the church. Bud = can back up what he said by pointing to the directions given in _Ritual = Notes_, and similar manuals for rites and ceremonies, which derive from = rubrics and customary usage of the past. In other words, something now = so un-mainstream as to be a dream world once went without saying. I'm = not aware of any decisive ecclesiastical development since that time = that would abrogate these provisions. Hence IMHO simply to abandon them, = leaving a vacuum in which mammon dictates the terms, constitutes an = ecclesiastical dereliction of duty.=20   I ought to be as aware of this as he, having at least two editions of = _Ritual Notes_ at home over which in my student days I would pore. But = somehow its concept and instructions for weddings never penetrated. So = now, over thirty years later, I have Bud and PipeChat to thank for this = revelation. If it comes as news to the likes of us, with all of our = occupational and temperamental reasons to be aware of the facts, imagine = how out of the question it must be for those in the pews who have been = left in such abysmal ignorance of the matter.   Clergy should take opportunities from time to time (e.g. in a sermon = when the Holy Gospel is about the wedding in Cana) to adumbrate this = tradition even in the pulpit, which demands little in the way of the = vainglorious materialism now "mainstream." Let people know, in general, = that it is still very much a live option in the parish, so that when he = reminds the couple of it at their own counseling, it won't come as a = complete surprise. It wouldn't be pastorally sound to pressure the = couple, of course, to diverge so from the cultural norm that they and = their guests have probably been expecting. But let's face it, judging = from some of the settings and antics one hears about, a number of = couples don't *want* to be mainstream. Some and their parents might = secretly dread the extravagance that is expected of them and would = choose an alternative had they any idea that one were endorsed. My dear = father, in his easy-going common sense around matters that get most = people so worked up, once advised my sister and me that, as far as he = was concerned, he wouldn't mind at all if either of us (having reached = the age of discretion) were to drive up to the house one day with our = beloved, bounce out of the car and, as we were saying hello to him, = added, "Hey, guess what: we got married!" =20   If people only realize that they *can* proceed as Bud described, I bet a = few would; and then the idea might catch on.    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:21:30 -0500   On 3/15/04 3:56 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > I insist that my wife-to-be walk down the aisle to that thrilling piece.   Or "up the aisle," depending on your perspective. ("Down" is when she's walking OUT, with YOU.)   Alan (who does not object to your selection, however)    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Processionals From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:28:27 -0500   Well, I had visions of something, some place, some exotic religion - "the altar of Tama and Zildjian." Imagine my disappointment when Google told me these people make percussion instruments. You could have fooled me, but that's easy!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler - enlightened yet again by Google   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: RE: Wedding Processionals     > All worship at the altar of Tama and Zildjian. > > "Bang, bang! on the drum, baby, bang, bang!" -- The B-52's > > > ... let's just get rid of that big thing that takes up all of that = space > > at the front of the church and melt those pipe things down and use = that > > space for something more productive like a keyboard or drumset. Would save > > a lot of money too!! > > > > Christopher Nash > > -- > Jan Nijhuis > nijhuis@email.com >