PipeChat Digest #4394 - Monday, March 29, 2004
 
music search
  by "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
concert April 4 Oklahoma City University
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Cochereau on DVD
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Noon recital Wed. Mar. 31, Philadelphia
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
RE: Blind Organists/Composers
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Blind Organists/Composers
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
RE: Blind Organists/Composers
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
MIDI Questions
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish?  [x-posted]
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Re: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish?  [x-posted]
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: MIDI Questions
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net>
Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? 	[x-posted]
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish?  [x-posted]
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net>
Re: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish?  [x-posted]
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
RE: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish?  [x-posted]
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
RE: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted]
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: music search From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 00:45:04 -0600   Hi all,   Does anyone have a copy of That They May All Be One by Carl Mueller. SATB organ G. Schirmer 1968 cat = # 11594 ?   I will clear the copyright (PROMISE!) but would be very grateful for a = copy. It is out of print and I have looked under every rock for old copies that were never sold.   Please contact me directly at highnote@mhtc.net since I receive Pipechat = in digest form.   Thanks !!!!!!   Robert Eversman Director of Music Heritage Congregational Church Madison WI    
(back) Subject: concert April 4 Oklahoma City University From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:27:55 -0600   Antone Godding Organ Concert "The Stations of the Cross" =20   Sunday, 4/4/2004 at 4:00 PM   Dr. Antone Godding will present "The Stations of the Cross" Organ Concert, narrated by Vicky Leloie Kelly, on Palm Sunday, April 4, 2004 at 4:00pm in the Bishop W. Angie Smith Chapel. This event is free and open to the public.   Location: Bishop W. Angie Smith Chapel      
(back) Subject: Cochereau on DVD From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:59:05 -0500   The new DVD of ?Pierre Cochereau (organist of Notre- Dame Cathedral in Pa= ris from 1955 until his death at age 59 in 1984) is now available for orderin= g at http://www.ohscatalog.org on the opening page. The DVD is produced by = the French Solstice firm, producer of most of Cochereau's recordings, and mar= ks the 20th anniversary of his death. It comprises almost two hours of material from the French National Audio-Visual Institute Archives and private sources and is enriched with accounts from other musicians, personalities, students and close friends and family. \   Much of the video records Cochereau playing, principally at Notre-Dame, excerpts of COUPERIN (Messe des Paroisses) BACH (Pr=E9lude et Fugue B minor), Dupr=E9, Saint Saens (Final 3rd Symphony with Barenbo=EF= m), VIERNE (2nd Symphony -1st & 2nd movts) PURCELL & VIVALDI with trumpeter Roger Delmotte and, of course, parts of improvisations. There is a brief view Cochereau playing at the inauguration of the Aeolian-Skinner at Crys= tal Cathedral.   There are interviews with Cochereau at differing periods of his life, for example, when he was named organist of Notre-Dame in 1955, others connect= ed with great ceremonies in Notre-Dame (De Gaulle funeral, Kennedy, Pomidou). And in Lyons, some months before he died. Twelve individuals testify to Cochereau's contributions to the organ world. There is video shot in Notre-Dame in 1977 for Cochereau's famous "Music Lesson", and also the inauguration of the Second Superior Conservatoire in Lyon, as well as a short documentary on the Nice Conservatory.   Most of the dialogue is in French with English subtitles. About two hours= in duration.    
(back) Subject: Noon recital Wed. Mar. 31, Philadelphia From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:04:17 -0500   Dear Colleagues,   If you're in or near downtown Philadelphia this Wednesday, I invite you = to attend the recital that I am to give in the Lenten series at Arch = Street Presbyterian Church (corner of Arch and 18th Streets, just = northwest of the city hall).   There's just one work on the program: the Prelude, Scherzo, and = Passacaglia, op. 41, by Kenneth Leighton.   The minister at this church used to live in Scotland, and actually sang = in the choir of Saint Mary's Cathedral, Edinburgh during years that the = choir and organist-- principal exponents of Leighton's works-- were = premiering them. What a blessed experience!   As I just mentioned, the three-manual, five-division Austin organ = contains a septieme, so here's your chance to hear one. The organ is = used for so-many mid-day and afternoon events that it really ought to = contain a None, as well, but one must make do with what one has :-)   I first learned this piece in 1968 and have always loved it. It was my = introduction to Leighton's music. IMHO it deserves to be much better = known.   =20  
(back) Subject: RE: Blind Organists/Composers From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:05:34 -0500   In general, I like both Litaize's music and Ligeti's, although I can't = abide the latter's "Volumina." =20   > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Mitchell [SMTP:cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:57 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: RE: Blind Organists/Composers >=20 > Hello, >=20 > So what was Ligetti's excuse? >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Colin Mitchell UK >=20 >=20 > --- "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> wrote: > > Gaston Litaize was blind. >=20  
(back) Subject: Re: Blind Organists/Composers From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:09:07 EST   In about 1955, or thereabout, I went to the dedication of the new organ at =   St. Luke's Methodist church in Oklahoma City where Jean Langlais played = the dedicatory recital. Most of the music was atonal, but this was the first = time I had witnessed a blind organist. Lee    
(back) Subject: RE: Blind Organists/Composers From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:11:03 -0600   So, is that a G. Donald Harrison Aeolian-Skinner? (He died in 19546.) I've never been in the building.   =20   ________________________________   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of OMusic@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:09 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Blind Organists/Composers   =20   In about 1955, or thereabout, I went to the dedication of the new organ at St. Luke's Methodist church in Oklahoma City where Jean Langlais played the dedicatory recital. Most of the music was atonal, but this was the first time I had witnessed a blind organist. Lee      
(back) Subject: MIDI Questions From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:26:34 EST   Hi all,   A couple weeks ago, I played a concert on a very nice three-manual organ = here in DeKalb, Illinois. I and the organist had just connected two MIDI = modules, and discovered that while the record/playback functions worked fine, the stops labeled MIDI would not work. I got through the concert by turning = the module volumes up and down.   The organist called the builder (actually rebuilder). The MIDI had been installed when the relay was purchased and installed, only the MIDI hadn't = been fully tested yet. when the organist called the builder he was told that = due to "great philosophical differences", they didn't want to get the MIDI = functions working. WHAT??   I hope no other builders are selling MIDI and not standing behind what = they sell. I am going to contact the MIDI manufacturer, but this should not be =   necessary at all, or should be handled by the organ builder. Apparently, = there were no "great philosophical" differences when money was paid for the MIDI =   features.   I've never encountered such arrogance, and hope to never see it again!   Devon Hollingsworth, in Dekalb, Illinois.  
(back) Subject: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:41:07 -0800   I wonder how many organists and church musicians have faced the dilemma of being directly affected by someone in their parish having serious mental disorders.   I had had no experience with this in the past other than "garden variety" issues -- alcoholics, religious ecstatics, colorful eccentrics of various sorts, and so on.   That all changed this past weekend. Sunday afternoon I climbed the stairs to my organ loft and saw a bone-chilling, disturbing site that stopped me in my tracks and took my breath away.   Someone, some time in the interval between the Sunday morning service and about 2 p.m. in the afternoon, had come up to the loft and strewn heavy, white "duct tape" all over the organ console, the console mirror, and around the perimeter of the console. Several crudely scrawled notes were attached to the strands of tape [all spelling 'sic']:   "TURN IT DOWN"   "It's to loud and you know it."   "I was told to ask you nicely to turn it down (notic the tape around you)" and, written on the same sheet of paper but then scratched out, "Every time this happens, it makes me look bad."   Now, bear in mind that I have, never, at this church anyway, gotten ANY complaints about the organ being "too loud." To the contrary, I can't seem to play it "loud" enough, especially since it is rather undersized for the large sanctuary. Certainly, no one with any authority -- e.g., the pastor -- has made any such indication.   This very unsettling discovery came at a most inopportune time --- I had come back to set up for the Dubois "Seven Last Words" performance. The blatant vandalism and crudely scrawled notes, especially with my having no idea who would have been responsible, truly made my blood ran cold and it seemed, for a moment (due to my overactive imagination) that someone was out to sabotage the performance.   Plus, I had no idea -- but feared might be the case -- whether or not the vandal had also done damage to the organ or console. I wasn't about to touch the roll-top to find out. I did not want to disturb the "crime scene" since it occurred to me that the police might have to be called in.   I went and found the pastor, took him up there, and showed it to him.   He said, immediately, that he knew who it was, and he filled me in about it. I do not want to say any more about it here lest someone read this and figure it out. Suffice it to be said that the pastor will be counseling the individual.   I will, however, note that the person in question is definitely having some delusions -- is not in touch with reality here -- inasmuch as that person has no authority whatsoever to counsel me about my organ playing nor would that person have been asked by someone else to do so --- and certainly would not have been told to deliver that message in the bizarre and disturbing way as was done.   Meanwhile, I think that one of my requests -- locking doors to the organ loft -- will be front-burnered. I had asked for this some time ago because we have, besides the organ, a lot of audio equipment stored up there, and my office is up there as well. Several other parishes use our facilities (none of whom use the pipe organ) and it just seems to make good sense to me to secure the loft. Now, I think that that will be happening.   So, I do believe I have introduced to this forum a new thread --- not one that I have seen, anyway -- and that is, have any of you encountered mentally unbalanced persons, or vandals, in your church work, and if so, what came of the incident?   You can see photos here [I had happened to have my camera to take photos of the choir that afternoon]:   http://www.137.com/turnitdown   ~ C      
(back) Subject: Re: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:58:58 -0600   Peter, St. Luke's contains A/S #1237 - 4/94 installed in 1954 .... You = should go see it and the building.... a great example of 1950's = architecture .... round sanctuary full of symbolism, i.e. the organ is = exposed but screened by fisherman's nets .......   Sand Lawn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Storandt, Peter=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Blind Organists/Composers     So, is that a G. Donald Harrison Aeolian-Skinner? (He died in 19546.) = I've never been in the building.         -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf = Of OMusic@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:09 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Blind Organists/Composers       In about 1955, or thereabout, I went to the dedication of the new = organ at St. Luke's Methodist church in Oklahoma City where Jean = Langlais played the dedicatory recital. Most of the music was atonal, = but this was the first time I had witnessed a blind organist. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:15:43 EST   Charles and others,   I am convinced that EVERY Parish, whether known or not, has absolute NUT CASES in them! I am so sorry this happened to you, and you don't deserve = such treatment by ANYONE. Do keep us informed.   -Scott   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.    
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Questions From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:16:47 -0600   So, Who was the rebuilder? James Grebe Piano-Forte Tuning & Repair Artisan of Wood WWW.JamesGrebe.com 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010 pianoman@accessus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Devon3000@aol.com> To: <piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu>; <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: MIDI Questions     > Hi all, > > A couple weeks ago, I played a concert on a very nice three-manual organ here > in DeKalb, Illinois. I and the organist had just connected two MIDI modules, > and discovered that while the record/playback functions worked fine, the > stops labeled MIDI would not work. I got through the concert by turning the > module volumes up and down. > > The organist called the builder (actually rebuilder). The MIDI had been > installed when the relay was purchased and installed, only the MIDI = hadn't been > fully tested yet. when the organist called the builder he was told that due to > "great philosophical differences", they didn't want to get the MIDI functions > working. WHAT?? > > I hope no other builders are selling MIDI and not standing behind what they > sell. I am going to contact the MIDI manufacturer, but this should not = be > necessary at all, or should be handled by the organ builder. = Apparently, there > were no "great philosophical" differences when money was paid for the = MIDI > features. > > I've never encountered such arrogance, and hope to never see it again! > > Devon Hollingsworth, in Dekalb, Illinois. > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:18:13 -0500   On 3/29/04 6:41 PM, "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> wrote:   > I wonder how many organists and church musicians have faced the dilemma = of > being directly affected by someone in their parish having serious mental > disorders. > > I had had no experience with this in the past other than "garden = variety" > issues -- alcoholics, religious ecstatics, colorful eccentrics of = various > sorts, and so on.   Well, when it comes to alcoholics, I'd rather deal with a few dozen of = them than with one drunk. The alcoholics, by and large, haven't had a drink in years. The drunks, on the other hand, can be fearsomely unpredictable.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:24:37 -0600   While tuning a piano in a nursing home, one little old lady kept telling = me I was making too much noise tuning. I usually do not talk to the = residents but I told her I would be soon through. About 5 minutes later a cup of water was pored on top of my head by the little old lady. So I was = attacked by a little old lady in a nursing home. I am lucky it was not hot coffee. On the same matter ,I have tuned pianos in shopping malls and the last = time one of the security guards asked me how long I would be before I was finished tuning. I answered," in about 20 minutes". First they put a barricade around me and then one stood by till I was finished tuning. = These days you never know. James James Grebe Piano-Forte Tuning & Repair Artisan of Wood WWW.JamesGrebe.com 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010 pianoman@accessus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> To: "Pipe Organs & Related Topics" <piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu>; "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted]     > I wonder how many organists and church musicians have faced > the dilemma of being directly affected by someone in their > parish having serious mental disorders. > > I had had no experience with this in the past other than > "garden variety" issues -- alcoholics, religious ecstatics, > colorful eccentrics of various sorts, and so on. > > That all changed this past weekend. Sunday afternoon I > climbed the stairs to my organ loft and saw a bone-chilling, > disturbing site that stopped me in my tracks and took my > breath away. > > Someone, some time in the interval between the Sunday > morning service and about 2 p.m. in the afternoon, had come > up to the loft and strewn heavy, white "duct tape" all over > the organ console, the console mirror, and around the > perimeter of the console. Several crudely scrawled notes > were attached to the strands of tape [all spelling 'sic']: > > "TURN IT DOWN" > > "It's to loud and you know it." > > "I was told to ask you nicely to turn it down (notic the > tape around you)" and, written on the same sheet of paper > but then scratched out, "Every time this happens, it makes > me look bad." > > Now, bear in mind that I have, never, at this church anyway, > gotten ANY complaints about the organ being "too loud." To > the contrary, I can't seem to play it "loud" enough, > especially since it is rather undersized for the large > sanctuary. Certainly, no one with any authority -- e.g., the > pastor -- has made any such indication. > > This very unsettling discovery came at a most inopportune > time --- I had come back to set up for the Dubois "Seven > Last Words" performance. The blatant vandalism and crudely > scrawled notes, especially with my having no idea who would > have been responsible, truly made my blood ran cold and it > seemed, for a moment (due to my overactive imagination) that > someone was out to sabotage the performance. > > Plus, I had no idea -- but feared might be the case -- > whether or not the vandal had also done damage to the organ > or console. I wasn't about to touch the roll-top to find > out. I did not want to disturb the "crime scene" since it > occurred to me that the police might have to be called in. > > I went and found the pastor, took him up there, and showed > it to him. > > He said, immediately, that he knew who it was, and he filled > me in about it. I do not want to say any more about it here > lest someone read this and figure it out. Suffice it to be > said that the pastor will be counseling the individual. > > I will, however, note that the person in question is > definitely having some delusions -- is not in touch with > reality here -- inasmuch as that person has no authority > whatsoever to counsel me about my organ playing nor would > that person have been asked by someone else to do so --- and > certainly would not have been told to deliver that message > in the bizarre and disturbing way as was done. > > Meanwhile, I think that one of my requests -- locking doors > to the organ loft -- will be front-burnered. I had asked for > this some time ago because we have, besides the organ, a lot > of audio equipment stored up there, and my office is up > there as well. Several other parishes use our facilities > (none of whom use the pipe organ) and it just seems to make > good sense to me to secure the loft. Now, I think that that > will be happening. > > So, I do believe I have introduced to this forum a new > thread --- not one that I have seen, anyway -- and that is, > have any of you encountered mentally unbalanced persons, or > vandals, in your church work, and if so, what came of the > incident? > > You can see photos here [I had happened to have my camera to > take photos of the choir that afternoon]: > > http://www.137.com/turnitdown > > ~ > C > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:33:59 -0500   On 3/29/04 6:58 PM, "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> wrote:   > St. Luke's contains A/S #1237 - 4/94 installed in 1954 .... You should go= see > it and the building.... a great example of 1950's architecture .... round > sanctuary full of symbolism, i.e. the organ is exposed but screened by > fisherman's nets .......   Because St. Luke was a fisherman/artist/gynecologist? Or because Oklahoma City is on the Gulf Coast? I=B9m not sure I=B9m getting the connection.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:54:43 EST   What a horrible experience that must have been! I hope the Dubois went = well in spite of this rather blood-curdling surprise.   While I have never had that kind of experience, I can offer an amusing = story about mental illness which occurred recently in my parish.   One of our elderly parishioners (who comes to midweek Mass but seldom on Sunday) suffers from Tourette's Syndrome. When he's "on his meds" he = controls his outbursts very well. On occasion, however, he goes off his medication and ALWAYS seems to choose this "off meds" time to come to Solemn High Mass.   On a recent Sunday, he joined us while off his meds. When the Deacon announced "Let us now confess our sins to God and to one another..." our = Touretter announced, loudly, "On your knees, mother f***ers!". The choir had all = they could do not to laugh out loud, especially after seeing the look on the faces of =   the priest, deacon and subdeacon doing their best not to crack up!   While mental illness is seldom funny, in this instance we could hardly = keep from chuckling. I will add that the parishioner in question has a lovely singing voice!   Pax, Bill H.    
(back) Subject: RE: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:05:51 -0500   > I am convinced that EVERY Parish, whether known or not, has absolute = NUT CASES in them! I am so sorry this happened to you, and you don't = deserve such treatment by ANYONE. Do keep us informed. =09 And you know what? Where I'm the organist, the organist could be, and = probably sometimes is, considered one of them. I'm not too far gone, = yet at least, to do a job and take care of myself, but people definitely = find me eccentric. A cousin (he was my favorite cousin when were were = kids, too) cracked up some ten years ago, lost his job as a research = scientist, lost his wife and family shortly thereafter, and is now = completely unable to cope. No one has ever told me what the diagnosis = is-- but I learned long ago that our personalities are officially = similar. I wouldn't do anything like cover a console with duct tape, = however.   But so what? If there is anything to Christian ethics, then some people = are on the wrong side of the asylum walls whom no one thinks of = committing. And therapists don't know what they're doing as often as = they think.   In "Voices in the family" this morning, the psychotherapist Dr. Dan = Gottlieb interviewed another, Lauren Slater, whose many writings include = a new book, _Opening Skinner's Box_. She mentioned on the program some = of the serious mistakes that psychologists and =20 therapists have made. In one experiment a few decades ago, for = instance, therapists presented themselves to other psychiatrists or = checked themselves into psycho wards of hospitals falsely complaining = that they "heard voices." Several of them were "put away" involuntarily = simply on the strength of this one self-reported symptom. This would not = happen today. But why wouldn't it? She and Dr. Gottlieb concluded that = the main reason is not so much that therapists are more competent now, = as that government funding for mental hospitals has been progressively = slashed, at least ever since the Reagan administration. To some extent = this is a good thing from a freedom-loving standpoint. On the other = hand, it leaves some people to fend for themselves who are unable to do = so. Quite a few homeless people today would have lived in state mental = hospitals in the past.   It used to be assumed (after Freud) that talking about trauma was always = therapeutic and healing. Dr. Slater challenges this generalization: in = some situations, and with some people, trauma is better repressed. = Being forced to talk about it again and again just makes it worse.   Then yesterday, on another program that I often hear on the way to = church: _Speaking of Faith_, hostess Krista Tippett interviewed Karen = Armstrong, author of _A History of God_ and other books, now including = _A Spiral Staircase_, her own memoir. She spent seven unhappy years as = a nun, which she felt left her spiritually and emotionally damaged. She = would not say that the cloistered life is detrimental for everyone, but = she found herself to be a misfit, partly because of the post-Vatican II = turmoil into which religious orders were plunged, and partly because she = had a case of epilepsy that went long unrecognized. Epileptic seizures, = or a proneness to them, are often accompanied by a feeling that one is = on the verge of religious visions. Quite a few mystic saints in the = iconography, she says, were epileptic.   I'm not suggesting here that epilepsy is what we call a mental illness. = It certainly isn't. But when it is undiagnosed, it certainly conduces = to it by magnifying people's difficulties in life because they are = misunderstood, perhaps even by themselves. If an impulse towards = religious interests is a frequent characteristic-- well, we have just = one way in which "nut cases" might tend to hang around churches that I = didn't know about until yesterday. One of many, probably.    
(back) Subject: RE: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:07:27 -0600   I've always wanted to do that!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of DERREINETOR@aol.com   On a recent Sunday, he joined us while off his meds. When the Deacon announced "Let us now confess our sins to God and to one another..." our Touretter announced, loudly, "On your knees, mother f***ers!". The choir had all they could do not to laugh out loud, especially after seeing the look on the faces of the priest, deacon and subdeacon doing their best not to crack up!