PipeChat Digest #4395 - Tuesday, March 30, 2004 Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] by <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Re: Cochereau on DVD - Famous Music Lesson by "Nicholas Good" <email@example.com> Re: MIDI Questions by <Rachmaninoff45@aol.com> mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? by "black" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists by <OMusic@aol.com> Music available by "Jonathan Orwig" <email@example.com> Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] by "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Organ freaks by "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> RE: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] by "Will Light" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:27:43 EST Right on! I'm convinced that many of us who hang around church--musicians = and clergy alike--are very "different", to say the least. I would bet that = many of us, if we were to tell the unvarnished truth to a psychiatrist, would = be considered at least somewhat odd. Then again, if most people told the = unvarnished truth to a psychiatrist, we'd be a nation of psychiatric hospitals and sanitoria! Ducking for cover, Bill H.
(back) Subject: Re: Cochereau on DVD - Famous Music Lesson From: "Nicholas Good" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:53:51 -0600 What was this "Music Lesson" and why is it famous. At 12:59 PM 03/29/2004, you wrote: >The new DVD of ?Pierre Cochereau (organist of Notre- Dame Cathedral in = Paris >from 1955 until his death at age 59 in 1984) is now available for = ordering >at http://www.ohscatalog.org on the opening page. <snip> >There is video shot in >Notre-Dame in 1977 for Cochereau's famous "Music Lesson",
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Questions From: <Rachmaninoff45@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:59:35 EST Just out of curiosity, what company was the organ made from? Best Regards, Gregory Hinson
(back) Subject: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? From: "black" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:28:35 -0600 Long post here. Have any of you ever been afraid for your life while practicing? When in high school, young and foolish,(1967) I would = practice in the dark, just the console lights on our 1960 Moller. One evening I = went to practice and heard a faint sound of a door closing. The console was in front in the chancel (UMC) here and the light on the music rack prevented = me from getting a clear view of the sanctuary. I continued to practice and = had the strangest feeling that someone was sitting out there, listening and watching. I stopped and looked out the best that I could and saw a person sitting there, the only light that was on was the one that was shinning on the stained glass. I spoke to the person, no response, no movement. I continued to practice and shortly thereafter stopped again to find that = the person was gone but I had heard no door close! Behind the chancel is a = pass way that goes the entire width of the church. No doors there, just two = large openings. I was by now terrified,my imagination running overtime. I = turned the blower off just to hear the outside door close, not more than 15 feet away from me. I ran down the center aisle and left. I told the organist ( my teacher) about this and got a tongue lashing about how it is not a good idea to be there alone with the lights off etc. She said that she had been getting phone calls late at night for about 2 weeks from a man that she did not recognize. He kept asking her if she was the organist and First United and when she practiced. From that night on, no man had appeared. Two weeks later I read in the newspaper that a female organist somewhere in Michigan had been murdered = at the local UMC while she was practicing alone, in the dark. Coincidence? Happy practicing. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:12:41 EST Alan, Oklahoma City is in the middle of the US. The lakes are ponds. Lee
(back) Subject: Music available From: "Jonathan Orwig" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:52:51 -0800 Forgive the cross post commercial.... In days of yore, my church did lots of LARGE works and fine classical choral repertoire.... A lot of it is music we will never use again, as the choir ages and the Traditional service begins to dwindle in size. I've toyed with the idea for quite some time of getting rid of some of this music - I want to be sensitive to future directors, but there is little use for some of this stuff in a very non-liturgical increasingly pro-contemporary music church. Those who would have a say in it at my church seem to think it is a good idea to sell some of it and put the money back into the music budget for other things.... I agree If there is sufficient interest, I'll post a link to a list of available = music periodically as I have a chance to decide what to get rid of. Best wishes, Jonathan Orwig
(back) Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:55:50 -0800 (PST) Hello, It is, indeed, very disturbing when people act in strange ways and express their feelings with acts of vandalism. I once came home to a garden trampled under foot, and it is very unsettling. I have to say that, in the cases involving people with mental illness in church, all of them have been harmless and the majority have been clergymen suffering from deep, manic depression. Hearing of the incident in your church, it does tend to suggest a psychotic episode in the life of the perpetrator and, perhaps, further evidence of paranoid-schizophrenia. If so, then one needs to be aware of the problem rather than afraid of it. Only rarely do paranoid-schizophrenics take up fire axes or shotguns! The problem any paranoid individual faces is the disorganisation of conscious thoughts leading to delusional thinking (forget about "split" personality....it is more often fragmented rather than split). Acts of wanton vandalism, episodes of violence and anger (etc)are more often than not an attempt to attack the delusion.....in other words, self destructive. At the back of one's mind must always be the awareness that some of the world's most dangerous people are paranoid-schizophrenic. If, therefore, you find yourself becoming a target for the deluded paranoia of someone in this state, it is best to act decisively and distance oneself from the source, rather than to confront the individual head-on. So, for now, get the locks and the doors, and avoid individual contact with the person concerned. There is safety in numbers. Trouble is, we have feelings of empathy and perhaps pity, and do not wish to wreck someone's life further by what we see as needless action. Be aware of that also, for there is nothing to be gained by becoming a victim. Regards, Colin Mitchell UK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
(back) Subject: Organ freaks From: "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:23:06 -0800 (PST) Hello, That is the most awful murder story.......eeeek! Mine is somewhat funnier. As a finalist and uni-Organ Scholar, I had to play a recital for the degree congregations just after the exams, and I was cramming big-style. When the exams were over, and eveyone was having fun, I was practising hard for the recitals with very, very little time available. One night, I shut myself in the university hall, went to the organ, and practised for a solid 10 hours to get the notes beneath my fingers. I recall vividly that, at exactly 6.46am, I drew a loud registration and started to play a final run-through of one of the pieces under-construction. At exactly 6.46.01s, there was a blood curdling scream and the sound of a bucket crashing to the floor! It seems that the cleaning-lady had arrived, filled her bucket with whatever it is they fill their buckets with, unlocked the hall and entered; just as I struck up with the organ in an otherwise unlit hall without windows. The poor woman completely freaked out! I got into trouble for that, and ended up on the carpet in front of the vice-chancellor! Apparently, I had broken the rules. I've since had policemen banging on doors at 2am, when they've come to arrest the felon playing around with the organ. (What a critic!) I suppose it's the price for dedication! Lastly, a very curious thing. I recall being disturbed by a drunken hobo, who stank and staggered about the church, but showed an unusual interest in the instrument. At first thinking he might be after my body or my wallet, I was a bit cautious. To this day, I still wonder who that drunk was, for as he staggered past the console, he slurred, "That mixture's got a tierce in it!" Regards, Colin Mitchell UK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
(back) Subject: RE: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: "Will Light" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:51:33 +0100 I don't think we have any permanently mentally-disturbed people in our congregation, although quite a number have suffered from e.g. depression = on an occasional basis. We do have quite a number of mentally handicapped = or mentally ill people who come into our Wellspring Coffee Lounge which is = open to the public. Brian is a gentleman of the road i.e. he sleeps rough and begs in the street for a living. He is definitely mentally disturbed, = and is heard in the street "effing and blinding" - there's that phrase again = Alan! But he never swears whilst in the church. He is always looking to = "better himself" and get a job as a hairdresser - he says he is a good = hairdresser - but since his own hair is extremely long and disheveled and his finger = nails about an inch long and he never washes, I doubt that he will get that = job... He recently announced that he was going to London to get work, and disappeared for about 3 months, but he is now back again. He also = trained as an actor, and has hopes to get an Equity card and become a star, but = unless he's offered the role of a dirty old tramp I don't think he'll go very = far! He says I'm the father he never had, and the other day he gave me a 5 = minute sample of his "Shylock" and I must say it was pretty frightening! Since the Tory government over here espoused the policy of "care in the community" for the mentally ill and closed down most of the old = Victorian mental hospitals, we have had an explosion of poor unfortunates who = can't cope with life and finish up begging on the streets. The "care in the community" means nothing when you can't cope in a bedsit on your own, or even with three or four other mentally disabled people in an apartment. = The policy was just a cynical money-saving venture in my opinion. We have a group of three women who come in for coffee, and I think they probably = live together in a sheltered flat. They also are mentally disabled, but not = so severely as Brian. They must be given money to have an outing I think, because they announce how much they have when they arrive, and they = continue to eat things and drink coffee etc. until every penny of their money is gone. Then they go home. They are VERY good customers!! Will Light Coventry UK -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Lester Sent: 30 March 2004 00:41 To: Pipe Organs & Related Topics; PipeChat Subject: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] I wonder how many organists and church musicians have faced=20 the dilemma of being directly affected by someone in their=20 parish having serious mental disorders.