PipeChat Digest #4396 - Tuesday, March 30, 2004
 
RE: Organ freaks
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
re: Music Available - CAUTION!!!
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
re: Music Available - CAUTION!!!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Music Available - CAUTION!!!
  by "atal" <atal@sympatico.ca>
RE: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!)
  by <Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk>
Re: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!)
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Cochereau on DVD - Famous Music Lesson
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)?
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Music Available - CAUTION!!!
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!)
  by "atal" <atal@sympatico.ca>
Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish?
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
A Request For Assistance XPOSTED
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
RE: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday)
  by "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu>
Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish?  [x-posted]
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Ron Reseigh Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on April 10. (cross-posted)
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)?
  by "atal" <atal@sympatico.ca>
it had to happen sooner or later (chuckle)
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)?
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)?
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)?
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: it had to happen sooner or later (chuckle)
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Organ freaks From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:05:18 -0600   I too used to play the organ (the one at the church, to particularize) at night in the dark. I was bad to come in from work, park in front, go in the church, leave the front door unlocked, and go straight to the organ without turning any church lights on. I would play for a couple hours. Those who knew me and walked Circle Drive which passed by the church would periodically drop in and interrupt me.   One of the Methodist ladies (the Methodist church was two doors down) warned me that I should lock the doors because "you never know what might happen". I just laughed.   Although I'm quite skeptical of ghosts, I was pretty sure that if they existed there was one who popped in at St. A's from time to time. When practicing in the dark I would suddenly hear creaking boards around the front altar and feel a presence, but no one was there. Once I was working hard on a recital piece, and the presence and creaking were so distracting and annoying that I spoke out sharply and loudly, "If you're going to hang around, sit down and be still so I can think!"   One evening a little girl wandered in. She was interested in the organ, the altar, the windows and everything she saw. So I took a few minutes to give her a tour. She finally left and I gave it no more thought.   About a week later I was playing up a storm and it had gotten completely black all around me. All of a sudden there was a swarm of wild little demons all over the church, banging on the organ by me, running all over the church, touching all the communion setup, yanking at the altarpiece. I started out pleasant, but got more and more nervous in trying to round them up. I pictured all sorts of broken irreplaceable stuff. I finally made it to the lights, and found about eight of the little muggers running around like banshees on holiday. The little girl had rounded up her gang of playmates to show them "this neat thing".   I thought I would never rid the church of them, and from then on parked in the back, kept all the doors locked and kept some light on. If you wanted to interrupt me, you had to bang on the door REALLY loud.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: re: Music Available - CAUTION!!! From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:40:54 EST   CAUTION! The tides of seasons & styles ebb and flow. We should be very, very = cautious about ridding our choir libraries of such (warhorses) as Brahms' "How Love =   are Thy Dwellings;" Schubert's "Great is the Lord;" Faure's "Cantique de = Jean Racine;" so on and so forth!   Things tend to come full circle - and if our choirs would not do these = pieces again, why would some other church do them at all? AND, to re-purchase = new copies of all of these will be four or five times the price per copy as = they were originally.   I'm not encouraging that we be selfish neither that we should not be = prudent - but -WHAT music today is truly worthy to replace any of the hundreds of (affectionately labeled) "warhorses" that could readily be named on this = or any other list of church music/organ ministers?   Respectfully submitted,   Dale G. Rider, MSM, CAGO Independence, MO    
(back) Subject: re: Music Available - CAUTION!!! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:59:34 -0500   At 09:40 AM 3/30/2004, it was written; >CAUTION! >The tides of seasons & styles ebb and flow. We should be very, very >cautious about ridding our choir libraries of such (warhorses) as Brahms' =   >"How Love are Thy Dwellings;" Schubert's "Great is the Lord;" Faure's >"Cantique de Jean Racine;" so on and so forth! > >Things tend to come full circle - and if our choirs would not do these >pieces again, why would some other church do them at all? AND, to >re-purchase new copies of all of these will be four or five times the >price per copy as they were originally.   This is very true! Christ Church in London had been a very musically centred church prior to the first World War, and then became not so = musical after it. Due I was told to the fact that many of their choir men did not =   return after the war.   Later, in the 1950's I was rooting around in the crypt with the organist, and we found bundles of copies (about 30 to 50 9n each bundle) of Choral Music that we decided to try out with our current choir. Things like "God =   so loved the World", "How Lovely are Thy Dwellings", and countless others of that nature. We sang them all, one by one, and it didn't cost us a = penny!   Christ Church was closed and sold off by the Diocese in the early 1970's, = - I found out where the organ had been re-installed, - at Highgate School Chapel, London, but I never found out where all the music went.   I suppose that the moral is that "What goes around, Comes around".   Hang on to it if you can!   Bob Conway        
(back) Subject: Re: Music Available - CAUTION!!! From: "atal" <atal@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:14:13 -0500   Good! Can you name one famous piece by each of the following composers? Frank Flour John Brook Gus Painter Frederick Sourcream ?????????     From: ProOrgo53@aol.com=20 To: PIPORG-L@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU ; pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: re: Music Available - CAUTION!!!     CAUTION! The tides of seasons & styles ebb and flow. We should be very, very = cautious about ridding our choir libraries of such (warhorses) as = Brahms' "How Love are Thy Dwellings;" Schubert's "Great is the Lord;" = Faure's "Cantique de Jean Racine;" so on and so forth! =20   Things tend to come full circle - and if our choirs would not do these = pieces again, why would some other church do them at all? AND, to = re-purchase new copies of all of these will be four or five times the = price per copy as they were originally.   I'm not encouraging that we be selfish neither that we should not be = prudent - but -WHAT music today is truly worthy to replace any of the = hundreds of (affectionately labeled) "warhorses" that could readily be = named on this or any other list of church music/organ ministers?   Respectfully submitted,   Dale G. Rider, MSM, CAGO Independence, MO    
(back) Subject: RE: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!) From: <Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:34:58 +0100   =20   Atal wrote:   Can you name one famous piece by each of the following composers?   Frank Flour   John Brook   Gus Painter   Frederick Sourcream   =20   =20   =20   John Brook would be Johann Sebastian Bach, I take it? Which famous piece would you like me to name?=20   =20   What do you mean by "famous"? I venture the opinion that the general public knows - or at least, comes across - only about five pieces of JSB's immense output: the opening of the D minor Toccata & Fugue; "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring"; "Sheep May Safely Graze"; "Sleepers, Wake!"; and the Bach/Gounod Ave Maria. =20   =20   [Reaches for flameproof suit].   =20   Sceptically,   =20   =20   Mark Harris   London   =20   =20      
(back) Subject: Re: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!) From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:49:22 -0500   And Gus Painter would be Gustav Mahler.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu         on 3/30/04 10:34 AM, Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk at = Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk wrote:     Atal wrote:   Can you name one famous piece by each of the following composers?   Frank Flour   John Brook   Gus Painter   Frederick Sourcream         John Brook would be Johann Sebastian Bach, I take it? Which famous piece would you like me to name?      
(back) Subject: Re: Cochereau on DVD - Famous Music Lesson From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:58:08 -0500   Dear Mr. Good,   Yes, I'd like to know, too!   Honestly, much of the description was written by the producer, and I = edited and added to it. I don't know what that Music Lesson was, and I intended = to remove it from my posting to PipeChat, but I neglected to do so.   The DVDs are expected to arrive from France in a few days, and so I will = be among the first on this side of the ocean to view it. When I do, perhaps I'll then understand what is meant and I'll better be able to write/edit a new description for the website and catalog.   Bill   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Good" <nickgood@ix.netcom.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Cochereau on DVD - Famous Music Lesson     > What was this "Music Lesson" and why is it famous. > > At 12:59 PM 03/29/2004, you wrote: > >The new DVD of ?Pierre Cochereau (organist of Notre- Dame Cathedral in Paris > >from 1955 until his death at age 59 in 1984) is now available for ordering > >at http://www.ohscatalog.org on the opening page. > > <snip> > > >There is video shot in > >Notre-Dame in 1977 for Cochereau's famous "Music Lesson", > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:59:27 -0800 (PST)     Mental Illness in a church (or area) is something that we all should be = aware of. Especially for those of us in Urban areas and in the crime-high = parts of those urban areas.   What many people don't know is that Dr. Martin L.King Jr's mother, Alberta = Williams King, was a very accomplished pipe organist. She was organist at = Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, which now houses a large Rodgers = Dig/Pipe combo (Pinchi?). Mrs. Williams-King was shot to death in a = shooting...during a church service...by a gunman...who was mentally ill. = Ironically, she and her son both died doing their Godly Callings.   There was also a case in the early 80's I think where one of the well = known names in Organ music... AH! Minneapolis at St Marks Epis. = Cathedral...I don't remember who...but they were the victim of an extreme = assault/battery by someone who was mentally distrubed.   The things we have to learn to live with, especially if we live in urban = areas.         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.  
(back) Subject: Re: Music Available - CAUTION!!! From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:31:50 -0500   In a message dated 3/30/2004 10:14:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, = atal@sympatico.ca writes:   > Frank Flour: flour or flower   > John Brook: Sheep May Safely Graze (as long as they're not in Montana), = Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring   > Gus Painter: Kindertotenlieder, Songs of a Wayfarer, as well as his = symphonies   > Frederick Sourcream: Ma Vlast (Die Moldeau, etc.), Bartered Bride  
(back) Subject: Re: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!) From: "atal" <atal@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:43:35 -0500   Re: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!)I am so = sorry...I thought that I was replying to a friend of mine and I hit the = wrong button!!!!!!! You are right...Gus is Mahler...Frank Flour is Liszt, Smetana is = sourcream and Bach is John Brook.     ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Randolph Runyon=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Frank Flour et al (was: Music Available - CAUTION!!!)     And Gus Painter would be Gustav Mahler.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu         on 3/30/04 10:34 AM, Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk at = Mark.Harris@fac.lon.ac.uk wrote:         Atal wrote:=20   Can you name one famous piece by each of the following composers?=20   Frank Flour=20   John Brook=20   Gus Painter=20   Frederick Sourcream=20               John Brook would be Johann Sebastian Bach, I take it? Which famous = piece would you like me to name?=20      
(back) Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:31:32 -0500   In an effort to limit this topic to some sort of reasonableness, I would suggest that stories about mentally disturbed CLERGY not be posted ! Otherwise, there will be NO bandwidth left for other things!     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: A Request For Assistance XPOSTED From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:56:34 -0500   Greetings fellow Listers,   I am again appealing to the lists for assistance in finding a copy of an old OHS Cassette Tape made back in 1983 of Earl Miller playing the Worcester,( Massachusetts) Kimball. This has long been out of print and I would really like to obtain a copy of it.   If any one has it and would be willing to make a copy or send it to me to copy I would be very grateful and can either provide a blank tape or the postage to send it.   Please reply privately to Mack02445@comcast.net.   Thanks in Advance   Mack    
(back) Subject: RE: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:23:24 -0600   You're right, I should go inside. I drive by daily.   =20   ________________________________   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Sand Lawn Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:59 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists   =20   Peter, St. Luke's contains A/S #1237 - 4/94 installed in 1954 .... You should go see it and the building.... a great example of 1950's architecture .... round sanctuary full of symbolism, i.e. the organ is exposed but screened by fisherman's nets .......   =20   Sand Lawn   ----- Original Message -----=20   From: Storandt, Peter <mailto:pstorandt@okcu.edu> =20   To: PipeChat <mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org> =20   Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:11 PM   Subject: RE: Blind Organists/Composers   =20   So, is that a G. Donald Harrison Aeolian-Skinner? (He died in 19546.) I've never been in the building.   =20   =09 ________________________________     From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of OMusic@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:09 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Blind Organists/Composers   =20   In about 1955, or thereabout, I went to the dedication of the new organ at St. Luke's Methodist church in Oklahoma City where Jean Langlais played the dedicatory recital. Most of the music was atonal, but this was the first time I had witnessed a blind organist. Lee      
(back) Subject: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday) From: "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:32:34 -0600   Dear Friends,   We're looking for ideas for our service on Sun, April 25 (Earth Day = Sunday) (Festival of God's Creation - "Life-Giving Breath of God: Protecting the Sacred Gift of Air"). Music would include hymns, prelude, offertory, postlude, since not enough time for the choir to learn an "earth day" or "air" anthem. Any ideas? Thanks so much!   Fran   ************************************************** Frances Walker, M.M. Northwestern University Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church 213 Hazel Avenue, Glencoe, IL 60022-1775 847-835-1227; fax 847-835-1243 northshoreumc@aol.com http://www.gbgm-umc.org/northshoreumc/        
(back) Subject: Re: Are There Mentally Disturbed People in Your Parish? [x-posted] From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:43:36 EST   Will,   Interesting story. In the United States, the doors of our "asylums" were opened about 30 years ago--not by "tories", but by well-intentioned = liberals--and we continue to experience an enormous homelessness problem among the = mentally ill. This was an experiment which has certainly proven to be an abject failure. About 200 such people every day are fed a hot meal and clothed in = the undercroft of our church. Some of them must like good music, because = several attend services fairly regularly, though no one is obligated to do so in order to =   take advantage of our homeless ministry.   Pax, Bill H.    
(back) Subject: Ron Reseigh Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on April 10. (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:50:31 -0500   The Rochester Theater Organ Society is very pleased to announce the encore performance of Wisconsin's Ron Reseigh on our 4/23 Wurlitzer. Ron will present his concert at the recently refurbished Auditorium Theatre, 875 = East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605 on Saturday evening, April 10 at 8 PM. Admission to this event is only $15 each. Tickets are available at the box office which opens at 7 PM on the evening of the concert. (RTOS members enjoy free admission.)   Driving directions, Ron's biography, lots of photographs and organ data = are available at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ . Anyone familiar with the artistry of Ron Reseigh and the outstanding quality of the RTOS Wurlitzer and its acoustic environment will want to attend this evening of pure theater pipe organ enjoyment!   Submitted by Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-president)    
(back) Subject: Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? From: "atal" <atal@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:58:23 -0500   I believe the organist in Minneapolis was Gerald Bales - a = much-respected figure, especially in Canada (he passed away a couple of = years ago, in London, Ontario I believe). He was permanently = incapacitated after that attack.   Andreas Thiel St. Marys, Ontario ----- Original Message -----=20 From: T.Desiree' Hines=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)?=20     Mental Illness in a church (or area) is something that we all should = be aware of. Especially for those of us in Urban areas and in the = crime-high parts of those urban areas.=20   What many people don't know is that Dr. Martin L.King Jr's mother, = Alberta Williams King, was a very accomplished pipe organist. She was = organist at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, which now houses a large = Rodgers Dig/Pipe combo (Pinchi?). Mrs. Williams-King was shot to death = in a shooting...during a church service...by a gunman...who was mentally = ill. Ironically, she and her son both died doing their Godly Callings. =20   There was also a case in the early 80's I think where one of the = well known names in Organ music... AH! Minneapolis at St Marks Epis. = Cathedral...I don't remember who...but they were the victim of an = extreme assault/battery by someone who was mentally distrubed.=20   The things we have to learn to live with, especially if we live in = urban areas.=20         From Desiree'=20 T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.  
(back) Subject: it had to happen sooner or later (chuckle) From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:15:54 -0800   One of the newsbriefs on 365gay.com this morning reported the following:   A (male) couple are planning their wedding; one groom wants "Here Comes the Bride" (grin); the other doesn't; the wedding is at an MCC church; the minister suggested Purcell's Trumpet Tune instead; she said, "I think the congregation might start laughing if the organist played "Here Comes the Bride" (chuckle)   What INteresting times we live in! (grin)   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:09:25 -0800 (PST)     Yes it was Gerald Bales!   And yes he ws incapacitated after that accident.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.  
(back) Subject: Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:10:34 EST   Desiree,   Thank you for the information about the elder Mrs. King--I had no idea = that she had been an organist. What a very sad story.   As I posted earlier, we have a very large volume of mentally ill folks around the church seven days per week, taking meals and getting out of the = cold. While I'm glad we do what we do, I keep the doors to the church LOCKED = when I go to practice, and the doors to the choir loft locked when I'm not there. = How sad, to have to keep a church locked up, but that's modern urban reality = in Boston these days!   Pax, Bill H.    
(back) Subject: Re: mental illness in the parish( afraid for your life)? From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:33:41 -0800   Mrs. King died at the organ, in the midst of the congregation singing the Lord's Prayer ... I remember the news photos of the blood-stained keyboards of the Hammond B-3.   I never had to worry about security much ... virtually ALL my posts have been in old churches in the slums, where we NEVER had ANYTHING after dark, except the Christmas and Holy Week services, when we'd have armed security guards patrolling outside. When evening Masses became popular, we had them as early as possible, with security patrols.   I practiced at home or at school, and only went to the church on Saturday mornings to register things and set pistons. The choir went out to brunch on Sunday and then came back and had the rehearsal for the next week on Sunday afternoon.   Even St. Matthew's in Newport Beach CA, located in an upscale area of $500K homes, has had difficulties with "wilding" teenagers FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. Too much money, too little supervision, I guess.   I remember having lunch at Coco's one Sunday after church, with some elderly friends. The kids at the next table were "practicing drums" with their silverware. One of my friends asked them to stop, and they CURSED HER OUT, in a public restaurant ... AND NOBODY DID ANYTHING.   Can't punish the li'l darlin's ... might warp them for life.   NOT!   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: it had to happen sooner or later (chuckle) From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:25:28 EST   Bud,   Although our parish has been conducting public blessings for same-sex = couples for almost 20 years, we don't do the Wagner for anyone. Purcell, Clarke = and David N. Johnson's trumpet tunes seem to be the favorites these days for = folks of all persuasions--at least in our parish. The Mathias "Fanfare" has had quite some popularity as a recessional at St. John's in the recent past, = along with the predictable Widor Toccata and the Symphonia from Bach 29.   Funny story about the Wagner--though I thought that it has been pretty = much "banned" in most mainstream liturgical churches along with the = Mendelssohn. Having been to an MCC service--and not to disparage anyone's personal = religious beliefs--it would appear that practically anything goes.   Quack Quack (Ducking), Bill H.